Is This A Problem On These Trucks , Is It Needed I Was Just Wanting Some Info On It Thanks Brett.

Most seem to not have had many problems... Its more of a IN-CASE i need/over-kill issue i believe!!!!

I am gettign one for the hell of it after seeing my D0shaf is making contact witht he x-member... ( HOW I DONT KNOW) dont race or pull this truck... Plus the rubber Iso-mount SUCKS big time IMO!!!!

Its a prevenitive (sp) measure, not a repair.

yeah thats what i figured it could possibly save you some money, is it hard to install?

hey eric also does a stage 4 suncoast have any warranty, iwas just wondering i havent had any problems at all with it i was just curious

I bought one, just not installed it yet. It is a ton of $ for what it is, I think the quaility could of been much better, (powder coated), or cut the price in half.

I bought one, just not installed it yet. It is a ton of $ for what it is, I think the quaility could of been much better, (powder coated), or cut the price in half.

Why don't you build one with the quality you deem necessary and sell it for half price?:rolleyes: " I will take dmaxlovers quality brace for a hundred bucks, Alex."

Yes it is expensive, but I would had I fabbed my own, I would have spent alot more than $200 of my valuable labor. It is worth the $, and it is easy to install (5-10 min) Powdercoating would be a waste, once it is installed, you cannot see it.

better safe than sorry. the only thing i have to say is when my drive shaft let go.....sure nice knowing thats tied in a little better.

I have built one, and could easily sell it for half price, but i'm not the kind of person that takes someones product, improves it, and then sells it to make a profit. I'm not saying it's a bad product, i'm saying that for the $ spent they could of invested a little more time into it. Payne, you're right, you can not see it, but that does not take away from the fact that you are bolting this on to a $40,000+ truck. I can not see the internal of my motor or tranny, that doesn't mean I want them to skimp on quality and craftmanship.

max payne.....that pic......oh la la

I have built one, and could easily sell it for half price, but i'm not the kind of person that takes someones product, improves it, and then sells it to make a profit. I'm not saying it's a bad product, i'm saying that for the $ spent they could of invested a little more time into it. Payne, you're right, you can not see it, but that does not take away from the fact that you are bolting this on to a $40,000+ truck. I can not see the internal of my motor or tranny, that doesn't mean I want them to skimp on quality and craftmanship.:nopics:

I think it is only fair to post a picture of this brace you made and give Suncoast a fair chance to pick apart your product as you have done to his. I use the Suncoast brace on my 46,000.00 Duramax and I am not ashamed and I feel it is built very well. I proudly display it in my shop.
mike

Obviously, only good opinions are allowed on this forum. I am getting picked apart just like Ratlover did when he commented on ATS'S co-pilot. Just so everybody stops freaking out, I will rephrase my opinion. Suncoast's t-case brace is the best investment money can buy, and is worth every penny.

I think the trans kits are overpriced too.. You can buy a converter on Ebay for 500 bucks and a transgo kit on ebay for 200.00

700.00 for a built trans is a heck of a deal, I am gonna put some ebay trans kits togather.

Obviously, only good opinions are allowed on this forum. I am getting picked apart just like Ratlover did when he commented on ATS'S co-pilot. Just so everybody stops freaking out, I will rephrase my opinion. Suncoast's t-case brace is the best investment money can buy, and is worth every penny.


Works for me.:ro) :D

yeah thats what i figured it could possibly save you some money, is it hard to install?


Brett,
I have one installed on my truck. Not sure you have to have it but I've been told by more than one person that it is possible to crack the rear housing from putting so much power to the ground. I figured that for the $200 bucks it is cheap insurance. It wasn't bad. Some simple hand tools and 15 minutes or so.

I think the trans kits are overpriced too.. You can buy a converter on Ebay for 500 bucks and a transgo kit on ebay for 200.00

700.00 for a built trans is a heck of a deal, I am gonna put some ebay trans kits togather.

Installed? YES
Man that's a great deal and lifetime warranty, what more could u ask for ):h

I see your business really picking up :ro)

Obviously, only good opinions are allowed on this forum. I am getting picked apart just like Ratlover did when he commented on ATS'S co-pilot.

How does that make you feel?

Yes I remembered your comments in the Hot Juice thread...

For the record, I have the Suncoast brace on my 2002. I fell that it is cheap insurance. It is quite well built and I'd recommend it to anyone. If you are worried about paint quality, I'd have it blasted very thoroughly and maybe etched prior to painting or powdercoating. Trailer hitches are power coated and can be some of the fugliest rust boiled flaking pieces of crap when the rust (poor prep work) starts below the powder...

Anyone have a pic of the Suncoast or other brackets?
Just looking for cheap insurance.

I am surprised nobody did this earlier. taken from: http://www.gmdieseltech.com/store2/cart.php?target=product&action=view&product_id=16308&category_id=283

[quote=Kennedy;685609]How does that make you feel?

Yes I remembered your comments in the Hot Juice thread...


Wow! good memory:D A brace is cheap insurance, that's why I bought one.

[quote=Kennedy;685609]How does that make you feel?

Yes I remembered your comments in the Hot Juice thread...


Wow! good memory:D A brace is cheap insurance, that's why I bought one.

So, now the Suncoast brace is ok? You don't feel you will be laughed at if someone crawls under the truck and sees it? :D

Like I have said from the beginning, the brace will do it's job just fine. There is not a problem with the design. The brace is cheap compared to the price of repair, but this doesn't mean they should cut corners. Bottom line is, if you want cheap insurance, buy it. If you are a fabricator, and know what $200 in fabrication looks like, still buy it, but then ***** about it like me.

:exactly:

dmaxllover - thanks for your quickie review of the produrct. I take from you that it that the thing will do its job and is of acceptable quality but is overpriced. It is probably not the type of thing that would be a candidate for refined finish work so, I take it someone could seize the opportuntity to produce one much cheaper. Maybe someone will.

Like I have said from the beginning, the brace will do it's job just fine. There is not a problem with the design. The brace is cheap compared to the price of repair, but this doesn't mean they should cut corners. Bottom line is, if you want cheap insurance, buy it. If you are a fabricator, and know what $200 in fabrication looks like, still buy it, but then ***** about it like me.

Monetary compensation for recognizing need, research & development of product. This includes hours of designing and fabricating several prototypes that did not work so that the design that does evolves.
This final design met the requirements of : fixing the complaint, having almost perfect fit, and installing in very short time. Using your critera this value is --0--. (We could wait for someone else to do it, then poor-mouth their product and copy it.)

Writing CNC program (16 hours) for $280,000 4 axis CNC mill.

Design and fabricate assy jig

Order material

Material cost ( least expensive part)

saw time: includes loading and unloading saw to cut sections to proper length for millwork. Cut 5 pcs per brace

machine time: loading, running, ( 6 operations on mill) unloading

install and bolt in jig

weld side 1, turn, weld side 2

cool time , unbolt and remove from jig

dress and prep for paint

paint

box

sales (take orders)

shipping

After reviewing time and cost if the market dictates lower pricing we have decided that since you will DESIGN and build a better one cheaper it would be advantagesous for us to purchase them from you. We would require that it fit perfectly ,just like ours and install in less than 30 minutes.

If you will return our brace that you purchased along with a copy of your receipt, will will gladly refund your purchase price.

smoop;)

:exactly:

Bottom line is no product should be sold for a price lower than what the consumer is willing to buy it for.

If the sellers are happy with their sales numbers then the price on these items will stay as is. Cost to make and sell a product are irrelevant to market pricing, these things only drive the decision to market a product or not. It is the value to the customer that drives the price. Once the price is determined then the profitability of the item can be determined. That will drive the decision to market the product or not.

It seems that one customer has purchased the item in question and has determined its value to be marginal. In the end, the customer recommends the product. For this he has been skewered. I, for one, appreciate the insight from someone who has their hands on one.

The idea to design and market a transfer case brace did not originate with creating just another marketable product. We saw the need for a solution of adaptor housings cracking since some of these hsg that cracked were and could be on one of our transmissions. When this occured it created an unpleasant experience for the customer and ourselves. Since the cracking was something we had no control over, hence the conception of the transfer case brace. We had to set a price that would compensate for the creation and sales of the product. Allison is aware of the problem and redesigned the housing, but the problem still occurs. When it happens it requires a very expensive solution. No skewering was intended. I tire of the "woulda, coulda, shoulda, done it better" naysayers.
I welcome comments about any products in aconstructive way, good or bad.
smoop

Monetary compensation for recognizing need, research & development of product. This includes hours of designing and fabricating several prototypes that did not work so that the design that does evolves.
This final design met the requirements of : fixing the complaint, having almost perfect fit, and installing in very short time. Using your critera this value is --0--. (We could wait for someone else to do it, then poor-mouth their product and copy it.)

Writing CNC program (16 hours) for $280,000 4 axis CNC mill.

Design and fabricate assy jig

Order material

Material cost ( least expensive part)

saw time: includes loading and unloading saw to cut sections to proper length for millwork. Cut 5 pcs per brace

machine time: loading, running, ( 6 operations on mill) unloading

install and bolt in jig

weld side 1, turn, weld side 2

cool time , unbolt and remove from jig

dress and prep for paint

paint

box

sales (take orders)

shipping

After reviewing time and cost if the market dictates lower pricing we have decided that since you will DESIGN and build a better one cheaper it would be advantagesous for us to purchase them from you. We would require that it fit perfectly ,just like ours and install in less than 30 minutes.

If you will return our brace that you purchased along with a copy of your receipt, will will gladly refund your purchase price.

smoop;)


Excuse me, but I am not famililar with who you are. Are you the manufacter, or are you a dealer? Yes R&D is very expensive, but now that the product is done and being sold, you take the time spent on r&d divided by all the braces sold, which in the end is not a lot of money per piece. For give me for saying but some of your quoting is a tad off. First of all, once you know what the part has to look like, it does not take 16 hours to program, I know I copied it, spent about 1 1/2 hours to measure and program. Second, it does not take a $280,000 4 axis machine, I did it productively on a $40,000 3 axis mill. I do have to admit, I installed mine this weekend and it fit perfectly, who ever is jigging them, and welding them is doing a excellent job! Since I'm such a nice guy, and will not take any sales from you, I will tell you how I would of made them much quicker and higher quility then you are doing it now. 1. don't use angle iron, that stuff is made for shelves, racks, and carts. Instead have the 3 pieces either lazered, plasma cut, or water jetted out of a large sheet of flat stock, then bent on a press brake. Yes this sounds expensive, but I have done some research, and this is much cheaper than milling them on your $280,000 machine. 2. Finish them with something other than spray paint from Wal-mart, like powder coating, zinc plating, or black oxide. The Sun Coast stamp was a nice touch, it made the part feel as it had some backing to it. Take this post how ever you want, I hope some of my suggestions are considered, as Sun Coast is a good company, with good products. A little bit of customer insight should always be welcomed, weather good or bad.

Bottom line is no product should be sold for a price lower than what the consumer is willing to buy it for.

If the sellers are happy with their sales numbers then the price on these items will stay as is. Cost to make and sell a product are irrelevant to market pricing, these things only drive the decision to market a product or not. It is the value to the customer that drives the price. Once the price is determined then the profitability of the item can be determined. That will drive the decision to market the product or not.

It seems that one customer has purchased the item in question and has determined its value to be marginal. In the end, the customer recommends the product. For this he has been skewered. I, for one, appreciate the insight from someone who has their hands on one.


Yes that works, until Joe Blow down the road decides to make a simular product, and sell it for less $.

I know that early on when trying to get these from Joe, He was waiting on powder coating, I told him I didnt care, I wasnt buying it for its good looks. Whats important to me and my customers is that it fits and I dont have to use a prybar to get the bolts lined up.. It dont work if I have to fight it and dont look good to the customer who just spent money on it. I have sold give or take 15 of these and installed half of them. For 200.00 I cant take the time out of my day or mess with it. I am one of the 99%ers that dont have all the fancy machineing and such to put it all togather. I want something that works and is done.

I will continue to buy the very simple piece from Suncoast, My customers all like it and nobody has said a word about it being not powdercoated...

I do wonder why some people want a powder coated bracket under the truck that will never be seen, but drive around with pitted chrome nerf bars or lick and stick hood scoops

I like my brace, it does its job. As to powder coating, the frame and of your truck is not powder coated and you paid a heck of a lot more for !

It will be rusty in a year no matter what it is painted with.

Oh Crap! I just noticed my 1300.00 torque converter is only painted!

You would expect a better finish for that...

I welcome comments about any products in aconstructive way, good or bad.
smoop


Interesting, but not on the open forum please.If so you will be shot down and scrutinized by ............


Please use the tele

Interesting, but not on the open forum please.If so you will be shot down and scrutinized by ............


Please use the tele

If we can't voice our opinions, what are we suppose to talk about?

I know that early on when trying to get these from Joe, He was waiting on powder coating, I told him I didnt care, I wasnt buying it for its good looks. Whats important to me and my customers is that it fits and I dont have to use a prybar to get the bolts lined up.. It dont work if I have to fight it and dont look good to the customer who just spent money on it. I have sold give or take 15 of these and installed half of them. For 200.00 I cant take the time out of my day or mess with it. I am one of the 99%ers that dont have all the fancy machineing and such to put it all togather. I want something that works and is done.

I will continue to buy the very simple piece from Suncoast, My customers all like it and nobody has said a word about it being not powdercoated...

I do wonder why some people want a powder coated bracket under the truck that will never be seen, but drive around with pitted chrome nerf bars or lick and stick hood scoops


There isn't a problem with the Wal-mart spray paint, I just shouldn't have to pay an additional $50+ for it.

If we can't voice our opinions, what are we suppose to talk about?


The good things :)

This only applys to certain items of purchase,mind you and certain vendors. That's my opinion also and I hear ya

Excuse me, but I am not famililar with who you are. Are you the manufacter, or are you a dealer?

smoop is just a regular old turnip farmer from florida :D

Suncoast probably uses a 280k machine becasue thats what they have for thier other work too ;)

Yes that works, until Joe Blow down the road decides to make a simular product, and sell it for less $.

Good old R&D):h

dmaxlover - I believe Sucoast designed the brace for a functional purpose--to beef up the trans's extension housing and keep it from cracking. As I see it, it's reasonably priced and if it saves you a $2000 or up repair bill then it's cheap insurance.

I'm sure that you could offer a sturdier, better designed, highly polished piece--so why not do it instead of just blowing smoke???????

dmaxlover..............what Can I say ?....your an idiot.............it was worth that to me unpainted or even purple...............wtf is $200.00 in regards to what you have spent.......B i t c h about the weather not about this

Hey, if his is better for a hundred bucks lets see some product info...I'm sure smoop could sell a ton of em' for him and save himself some time as well as money...

I'm waiting to hear on a :frankenst now. I might need one...

Now that I pissed everyone off, I would need one he!! of a marketing scheme to sell these. Oh well, I guess you guys are stuck with Suncoasts.:D

dmaxlover..............what Can I say ?....your an idiot.............it was worth that to me unpainted or even purple...............wtf is $200.00 in regards to what you have spent.......B i t c h about the weather not about this


I'm an idiot because I think a product is overprised, and I can make one and sell it for half price, which inturn will save the consumer $ and do the exact same job, while looking better. Obvisously I'm not going to do that now, you guys like to spend $ too much. How about I'll start making bio-diesel and sell it for $1.25/gallon, which is much cheaper, and works better. Oh yeah I forgot, the diesel your buying now works just fine, and you have $ to burn.:rolleyes: :iamwithst

why dont you pump your bs .............into your tank......................Im sure it will up your milage...........

why dont you pump your bs .............into your tank......................Im sure it will up your milage...........


OH...........OK!

OH...........OK!

Obviously you do not own your own business and this is why you think you can offer a better product cheaper. Let me see; you do not have rent, insurance, workmens comp ins, electric or gas bills, city license, city tax, county tax, state tax, federal tax, toxic waste tax, employee taxes, and there are more things for us guys to pay. Now; if you steal the iron ( you know, pad the bosses bill, he won't notice) and use company time and welding equipment ( while the boss is paying you, wtf do you care) you can sell a cheaper better product. Bet you could sell a quality brace for $50.00 and make a pure profit. :cool:

You guys jumping on dmaxlover are way out of line. Go back and read his posts, he still recommends purchasing the thing. No need to attack his intellect or character. Disagree with him and say why but keep it civil. Geeze - all this over questioning the value of a bracket. You guys need some perspective.

If this board fosters a “positive comments only” culture, then it will devolve into an infomercial for the supporting vendors. That in turn will reduce membership and get those same supporting vendors less exposure thereby eroding the value of their investment here. Not smart.

I read his post and stand by mine............mike your dead on target

Let me see; you do not have rent, insurance, workmens comp ins, electric or gas bills, city license, city tax, county tax, state tax, federal tax, toxic waste tax, employee taxes
Mike... not every business operates in the People's Republic of Kalifornia :D

Dmaxlover expected more for his money. That is the bottom line. Someday TTS, ATS, or DTT might make a bracket that is a bit more bang for the buck. I guess we will have to wait and see. No need to crucify him for some constructive criticism.

Dmaxlover expected more for his money. That is the bottom line. Someday TTS, ATS, or DTT might make a bracket that is a bit more bang for the buck. I guess we will have to wait and see. No need to crucify him for some constructive criticism.

Precisely!

I guess some folks are proud to substitute impolite and vulgar comments for honest and courteous disagreement.

Dmaxlover is right. To a customer its about percived quality of a product that makes the difference. Which I make most of my own stuff, like my own center link and soon this brace. I will let you know $$$$

It's called "blind" loyalty. Only some can see a difference

Some are just ass kissers :D

It's called "blind" loyalty. Only some can see a difference

Some are just ass kissers :D

yeah youre right............someone could write a book about you and this subject............love the bike get a lay down tag bracket.........:ro)

I have built one, and could easily sell it for half price, but i'm not the kind of person that takes someones product, improves it, and then sells it to make a profit. I'm not saying it's a bad product, i'm saying that for the $ spent they could of invested a little more time into it. Payne, you're right, you can not see it, but that does not take away from the fact that you are bolting this on to a $40,000+ truck. I can not see the internal of my motor or tranny, that doesn't mean I want them to skimp on quality and craftmanship.Just curious, how exactly did you come up with the design to build yours? You did't happen to copy it from the one you bought from Suncoast did you? R&D, what R&D?

Just curious, how exactly did you come up with the design to build yours? You did't happen to copy it from the one you bought from Suncoast did you? R&D, what R&D?

Of course not Jim. ):h He tore his truck down and made all the measurements.:deal:

Yes I did copy there's, it's no secret. Once again, the brace is a good product, (hence me coping it) but it needs some improving.

Let's see your Xerox engineering! Be willing to bet that even your copy could stand some improving. This thread has turned into a monster--and has just kept going and going.

I'm not an engineer nor a detailer. All my drawing was done in Surfcam.

ok let me get this staight in my convulooted mind

you got the bracket

paid $200 hard earned dollars for it

you did not like the finish(wanted powder coat)

liked the fit and design so well you copied it

came here to B i t c h about the finish on the design you copied

but your not a engineer or detailer

you have no expressed business or liablilty insurance that would protect you against the potential lawsuit from someone who says your brace caused the levee to bust in New orleans.........and is now suing you and you will have to defend yourself.

Suncoast is a legitimate business........for profit.......they probably neted $35.00 on the first 200 they made.....WTF


Ive built hybrid jeeps, custom bikes, trailors, one of a kind construction equipment and I know what my time is worth..............the bang for the buck factor is a deal for this bracket..................:ro) by the way take this letter "F" you know what to do with it

ok let me get this staight in my convulooted mind (OK, lets.)

you got the bracket (100% legal)

paid $200 hard earned dollars for it (100% legal)

you did not like the finish(wanted powder coat) (100% legal)

liked the fit and design so well you copied it (100% legal; does Suncoast have a patent? No? Their loss.)

came here to B i t c h about the finish on the design you copied (100% legal, 1st amendment)

but your not a engineer or detailer (irrelevant)

you have no expressed business or liablilty insurance that would protect you against the potential lawsuit from someone who says your brace caused the levee to bust in New orleans.........and is now suing you and you will have to defend yourself. (irrelevant, it's Dmaxlover's problem to deal with)

Suncoast is a legitimate business........for profit.......they probably neted $35.00 on the first 200 they made.....WTF (irrelevant)


Ive built hybrid jeeps, custom bikes, trailors, one of a kind construction equipment and I know what my time is worth..............the bang for the buck factor is a deal for this bracket.................. by the way take this letter "F" you know what to do with it (irrelevant editorializing)

Daver, maybe you should reacquaint yourself with capitalism and get off Dmaxlover's back..... Do you have something to gain by cheerleading for SunCoast?

hey you can have the "f" too..............as for cheerleading I learned from the best...thanks mackin........................so go put on your makeup and play with your idiots.........

the bottom line is the bottom line for people in business to make money.....Is it a fair price for the product I recieved?.....I think so

I'm not an engineer nor a detailer. All my drawing was done in Surfcam.

Regular or Velocity Surfcam?

Smoop:)

Daver, that's a pretty good comeback there, and you even managed to throw in a plug! Are you gonna be on TV next? Are you the next infomercial star, like the Oxyclean guy? Will you wear the "S" on your chest?

):h

Just bought and installed one of these at MikeL's. The steel definitely isn't worth $200 but the time that it took to design this is. And I'm sure they've got a decent amount of labor into building each bracket sold. It was worth the $200 to me. If you're time is worth less than $50 an hour go ahead and build one. You MIGHT get it done in 4 hours. Even with one of Suncoast's to copy. There's no way I would waste my time attempting to build one. That's why people are different I guess.

Joe, keep developing things for us. That's what you're in business for. It's always easy to look at and critique a product. It's much harder to design and actually build it.

If you're time is worth less than $50 an hour go ahead and build one. You MIGHT get it done in 4 hours. Even with one of Suncoast's to copy. There's no way I would waste my time attempting to build one. That's why people are different I guess.

That's right, to each, his own. And $/hr isn't always a compelling argument. None of us is worth $50/hr to sit in front of the computer or TV, and we all do that, some more than others :D.

I have machining equipment and I enjoy running it. If it took me 8 hours to fab and install that bracket, it would be worth it to me, simply for the therapy of figuring something out, seeing if I can come up with an improved design, and then making it with my own hands. There's a sense of accomplishment with it that has more value than money.

Making things yourself is becoming a lost art! That's the soul of innovation.

That's right, to each, his own. And $/hr isn't always a compelling argument. None of us is worth $50/hr to sit in front of the computer or TV, and we all do that, some more than others :D.

I have machining equipment and I enjoy running it. If it took me 8 hours to fab and install that bracket, it would be worth it to me, simply for the therapy of figuring something out, seeing if I can come up with an improved design, and then making it with my own hands. There's a sense of accomplishment with it that has more value than money.

Making things yourself is becoming a lost art! That's the soul of innovation.

I enjoy it too.....when I have the time...........lately free time is nonexistance........Its hard to justify when so many more important things are pulling on me..........actually in regards to comercials and tv I play the guy named bob in the male enhancement comercials:D

actually in regards to comercials and tv I play the guy named bob in the male enhancement comercials:D

:lol:

Can't wipe that shCensored it-eatin' grin off your face, eh? ):h

I enjoy it too.....when I have the time...........lately free time is nonexistance........Its hard to justify when so many more important things are pulling on me..........actually in regards to comercials and tv I play the guy named bob in the male enhancement comercials:D

I'm going to call to Studdmuffin from now on. :eek: ):h

That's right, to each, his own. And $/hr isn't always a compelling argument. None of us is worth $50/hr to sit in front of the computer or TV, and we all do that, some more than others :D.

I have machining equipment and I enjoy running it. If it took me 8 hours to fab and install that bracket, it would be worth it to me, simply for the therapy of figuring something out, seeing if I can come up with an improved design, and then making it with my own hands. There's a sense of accomplishment with it that has more value than money.

Making things yourself is becoming a lost art! That's the soul of innovation.

Innovation seems to be lost too. Just imagine how much more sense of accomplishment you receive when you make something you thought of yourself instead of copying someone else. And then you do not have to go poor mouthing the guy that thought of it
Smoop;)

Regular or Velocity Surfcam?

Smoop:)


SURFCAM VELOCITY! I haven't had a chance to run there new pocketing routine, but I posted out a program, using conventional pocketing and then velocity. The differance in file size is amazing, I bet it was 20 times larger with velocity.

I'm glad to see most of you think $200 is cheap for the brace. I bet that makes Suncoast, and there vendors feel all warm and fuzzy inside.:rolleyes:

Warm and fuzzy? Now you have gone and got Mike's sheep involved in this.

We are working on a transfer brace for the sheep.

Mike? did you say your sheep's name was studmuffin?

Smoop:)

Warm and fuzzy? Now you have gone and got Mike's sheep involved in this.

We are working on a transfer brace for the sheep.

Mike? did you say your sheep's name was studmuffin?

Smoop:)

Smoop...take it easy on Mike about the sheep....
he gets very sensitive about them and I wouldn't want any hard feelings to come between you two ):h
Just look at how he dresses them up for a "night on the town"

Joe, I'll be calling you Monday... unless your open tommorow...

Smoop...take it easy on Mike about the sheep....
he gets very sensitive about them and I wouldn't want any hard feelings to come between you two ):h
Just look at how he dresses them up for a "night on the town"

***** is hot, aint she?):h Scott, you wouldn't fool me with a transvetite sheep picture would you?:eek: Know you got them hanging around your place.:ro)

***** is hot, aint she?):h Scott, you wouldn't fool me with a transvetite sheep picture would you?:eek: Know you got them hanging around your place.:ro)

If you can't tell the difference, you're on your own junior ):h

I'm glad to see most of you think $200 is cheap for the brace. I bet that makes Suncoast, and there vendors feel all warm and fuzzy inside.:rolleyes:

Not to worry Dmaxlover the brace is proto type.When the final revision is released the public cheerleaders will cheer lead like there is no tomorrow.

Mean while those folks stuck with the "proto type units" ,rusting and flexing,some times twice,not performing as advertised,oh well, sorry bout your luck.

Good god I'm in the wrong business.There is profit in screwing the public

Not to worry Dmaxlover the brace is proto type.When the final revision is released the public cheerleaders will cheer lead like there is no tomorrow.

Mean while those folks stuck with the "proto type units" ,rusting and flexing,some times twice,not performing as advertised,oh well, sorry bout your luck.

Good god I'm in the wrong business.There is profit in screwing the public

Mac
Are you that bitter? That is out of line.

I'm glad to see most of you think $200 is cheap for the brace. I bet that makes Suncoast, and there vendors feel all warm and fuzzy inside.:rolleyes:

Never said it was cheap, only worth it (to me) ;)

Dude voices opinion............gets flamed for it not only by the D-community but by mfg also. HMMMMMMMMMMM that is odd to say the least.

TTS have special bolts that go with it?? Just Wondering

If I may......... About the brace.... I had seen the "first" production runs and I have seen the later, they are the same. I had a brace installed at the shop. While I was at the shop, Joe showed me the "old" Allison design and the new design. Allison did not know we would have this problem but they did have "some" failures and tried address the unseen problem. I had both old and new 'problem parts' in my hands and you can tell a difference. Heck, even Mac could tell the difference.:p: However, even after improvemnets the trans the brace is a good Idea, a great Idea. .....just the labor to remove the busted part would pay for a brace, just to remove.

I'm sure that many of us would like to see SunCoast continue to research and develope new products. This is only possible if we 'support' the vendor and their product, leed not to 'better copies' of their products. Without some profit it becomes fruitless for SunCoast or anyone to stay in business.

Is it the best brace possible, probably not as anything man made can be improved. However, it does work 100%.



.........err, maybe it's just me but I don't think Mac's post count has gone up in a loooooong time. I wonder how that happens?


BTW, nice ride Mac.:ro)

from all the reading i have done on this site, the only thing we can agree on is the durmax is nice. its all down hill after that. everyone hates and loves the samething at the sametime. we are human. all i can say is that dmaxlover has some balls saying what he said. good or bad at least someone says something. i think this thread is a hit even though some poeple keep bashing but hey there saying there peace too!! keep up the coversation

i think this thread is a hit even though some poeple keep bashing but hey there saying there peace too!! keep up the coversation
Actually... the thread has been dormant for the last 3 days :)

Yeah, I think Mac found his red thongs. He's in a rant:rippedhan if they're lost. You know he's just not happy without them.......:boxing:


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Yeah, I think Mac found his red thongs. He's in a rant:rippedhan if they're lost. You know he's just not happy without them.......:boxing:


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Some just can't let it go... Keep this thread on topic. I moved the unnecessary posts for a reason.

Good job Chad.

Even without red thongs the bracket or Brace works like it should, ulgy or not. If you do not have 'extra' power but like to 4-wheel or plan to have your truck for a long time, the brace would be a good Idea.