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Deadeye
08-29-2005, 03:20 PM
The South Bend Clutch, diesel department, run by Peter Pyfer, is moving forward on the SMF Dual Disc clutch kit faster than I expected. Please consider all the following info as a "Ball Park" estimate since unexpected challenges and changes are normal during any project.

The single mass "cup" flywheel is currently being fabricated (design is complete). This was the most difficult and expensive part of the entire kit and is nearly done.

The "floater/center" plate is pretty simple to make with a laser cutter and then milling/polishing. This is not expected to have any impact on when the kit is finished.

The pressure plate design/type has been determined/ordered/received but will require some modification by SBC. The capital assets required for this modification have been ordered and received, and are presently being installed. The pressure plate will be different than the previous picture posted. The bell housing is not a large enough diameter for to contain the blue pressure plate due to the design type. I expect the pressure plate to look similar to others posted on SBC’s website. The pressure is expected to be quite strong so that the ZF6 Duramax trucks will be able to handle a lot of hp and torque.

The clutch plates and pads are still being worked. The design is intended to allow significant pressure without grabbing or squealing when launching or shifting.

The present estimated price will be about $1,750 to $1,795 plus shipping for the SMF dual disc kit. Warranty will be for one year or 12,000 miles (which ever comes first) due to any part failure due to manufacturing defect. Having said this, please keep in mind that failures or damage due to competition will likely void the warranty. None-the-less, SBC does do a lot of business with competitors.

These kits are designed to able to be re-built if necessary at some point in the future. (Peter told me of a Dodge using a similar kit for sled pulling. They sent it in for a rebuild last winter after 4 years of competition. It had held up very well for many, many sled pulls with no needed maintenance.) The cost to rebuild will probably be $7-800 for the dual disc kits.

The present schedule assumes a test kit will arrive to me the second or third week of September. It will be measured, checked, installed, smelled, tasted, photo-ed, slept with and tested. I hope to do some drag racing and a dyno testing (You all can start voting on what type of dyno to use :D . Unfortunately, I don’t think there will be any local sled pulling events in time to use for early testing. I expect that testing will only take about a week maybe two. Once it passes testing, Peter will begin production and the first kits should be available in a week after production begins.

Having said all this, Peter is extremely confident that there will be no design modifications needed resulting from the tests. I have asked Peter to provide some pictures of the parts as soon as possible so that interested customers can have early access. If this is not possible I will post pictures once the testing is complete. Pictures will be posted on this forum and on Superdieselperformance.com website.

The single disc kit will come along a little later. As we get closer to the dual disc kit the single disc kit design will start to advance faster. I will continue to post information as it becomes available. This is just a guess, but I would be surprised if it would take more than a month to get it to production after the dual disc kit passes testing.

If you are interested in geeting on the list for either a dual or single disc kit please PM me with a phone number and e-mail address. I will contact you within 24 hours.

jon72
08-30-2005, 06:48 AM
:cool2: Keep us posted on the drivability of this dual disc setup.I would like to here your test results before I go on list thanks.

MaxRock
08-30-2005, 05:21 PM
deadeye,

I'm a little confused...is this a seperate project from what Super Diesel is doing or is this in conjunction with SD?

Thanks

IBDMAX'IN
08-30-2005, 05:56 PM
deadeye,

I'm a little confused...is this a seperate project from what Super Diesel is doing or is this in conjunction with SD?

Thanks

No, Deadeye has always been involved with the project, John and I were the one's that were doing all the work under the Super Diesel name but as independendant individuals.

John has simply decided to continue operating under the person which I have chosen not to be associated with. Still the same product, still the same project, it's all still South Bend Clutches and flywheels. I'm the one that has decided to find a more friendly and professional atmosphere to do business in.

Nothing has changed with me except for my status here on the board.

Hope this clears things up a little.

Cheers, Wade

JRmac
09-01-2005, 01:06 PM
No, Deadeye has always been involved with the project, John and I were the one's that were doing all the work under the Super Diesel name but as independendant individuals.

John has simply decided to continue operating under the person which I have chosen not to be associated with. Still the same product, still the same project, it's all still South Bend Clutches and flywheels. I'm the one that has decided to find a more friendly and professional atmosphere to do business in.

Nothing has changed with me except for my status here on the board.

Hope this clears things up a little.

Cheers, Wade

:blahblah: True colors tend to show up in moments like these.
":exactly: ypoc ot strap hctihw no gnieerga elbuort gnivah" ):h ):h ):h
:stirthepo :sorrysign

IBDMAX'IN
09-01-2005, 03:59 PM
:blahblah: True colors tend to show up in moments like these.
":exactly: ypoc ot strap hctihw no gnieerga elbuort gnivah" ):h ):h ):h
:stirthepo :sorrysign

I guess everybody is intitled to their own opinion about things :confuzeld .

Hi JRmac, my name's Wade, if there is anything that I can help you out with just shoot me a PM, I'm always willing to help people with questions about trucks and setup, ect...... How's the weather in Missouri??

Cheers, Wade

Deadeye
09-02-2005, 12:42 PM
deadeye,

I'm a little confused...is this a seperate project from what Super Diesel is doing or is this in conjunction with SD?

Thanks


As you can see from my sig, I am still associated with Super Diesel. He is a friend as well as an advisor. The SMF/Clutch development with SBC is my baby. My idea, and my effort and, eventually, my business as master distributor for SBC.

Without going into detail; "making a friend a partner in a business will be a bigger risk to friendship than business success." I have heard this many,many times and seen it happen more than once. Enough said.

IBDMAX'IN
09-02-2005, 05:25 PM
[quote=Deadeye;684601] The SMF/Clutch development with SBC is my baby. My idea, and my effort and, eventually, my business as master distributor for SBC.
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:wtf:

In a manner to remain civil, I would erge DP members to research who has been heading this project up this whole time and who is trying to take credit for the work of others recently.

I was the first SBC master distributor for the ZF6 SMF clutch kits, and the only reason John has recently started to become involved is because I helped him become a Master Distributor by typing a letter for him to become one.

It sickens me to see people/friends try and take credit for others work just to make a profit -:t .

Cheers, Wade

P.S. John, why don't you share with everybody since your the resident clutch expert, who really fixed your CPMAC clutch that you tried to take credit for???

Ben46a
09-02-2005, 06:44 PM
You two,(Wade and John), I think it woud be in both of your best interest not to turn this into a public pissing match or you will both loose out on customers, I'm not pointing fingers at either of you., but i am questioning who i cant trust to give 2 grand too for a clutch. Something to keep in mind.

Kennedy
09-02-2005, 09:35 PM
You two,(Wade and John), I think it woud be in both of your best interest not to turn this into a public pissing match or you will both loose out on customers, I'm not pointing fingers at either of you., but i am questioning who i cant trust to give 2 grand too for a clutch. Something to keep in mind.

CPmac has fine quality product and is who I'd deal with. He is hard to reach, but getting organized and should be reachable now. As I understand, he actually went to CO to help Deadeye when he had install/adjust problems...

JRmac
09-03-2005, 08:22 PM
Sure is funny how Deadeye could not figure out how to install CPMac's kit on his own. He needed help & received it. Has had no problems since. Wanted extra parts & received ????? ("ya know just in case") Now he is a pro clutch guy making his own kit. Anyone see a connection here?

Diesel Power
09-06-2005, 02:42 PM
ok guys you are taking this way off topic! Wade and John- PLEASE take your differences, whatever they may be, offline. it doesn't look good for either of you and honestly what goes on between you guys in nobody's business but your own.

If you want to start a thread about another individual's clutch kits feel free but keep it out of this thread. JRMac- just because CPMAC is no longer a vendor doesn't give you the right to bash the competition when you don't tell the whole story. So please stay out of it and keep this ON TOPIC.

Thank you

IBDMAX'IN
09-06-2005, 03:21 PM
You two,(Wade and John), I think it woud be in both of your best interest not to turn this into a public pissing match or you will both loose out on customers, I'm not pointing fingers at either of you., but i am questioning who i cant trust to give 2 grand too for a clutch. Something to keep in mind.

Your absolutely right!! I didn't mean to start any kind of war here, in fact I appologize for comming across like I did. I will admitt I was a little heated when I read Johns post and was trying to cool down before I posted back so I didn't start a pissing match, but it appears that my anger must have shown through and for that I'll man up and say I'm sorry.

Back on topic!!! Peter said that the clutch kits COULD be ready for sale by the end of the month. The first test kit needs to be installed to make sure that all is well and after that if no changes need to be made we'll be ready to rumble!!!

Cheers, Wade