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LanduytG
01-22-2004, 07:32 PM
Well guys and gals here it is. This is the very same thing that Racor has in their RK-32313 kit. Kit includes the 660R122 filter assembly with 200 watt heater and WIF probe that hooks direct into the trucks information center. Included is a bracket, hose, fittings, wiring harness and Racor filter wrench. This kit is plug and play. Install will take 30-60 minutes. With this kit you do not cut a section out of the fuel line , instead you cut the fuel line directly behind the fuel filter and hook up the hoses.

I will have these ready to go in about a week to ten days. Price is $285 and anyone that orders one between now and January 30 gets a replacement filter at half price ($19.00)limit 6.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/329_gmracor.jpgEdited by: LanduytG

juicemac78
01-22-2004, 07:40 PM
Please refresh my memory...Where does this kit mount, and also does the wiring harness work with all model years? What micron filter is the 660?


Thanks,
Justin

LanduytG
01-22-2004, 07:44 PM
Mounts on the frame just in front of the fuel tank. No holes to drill because we are using to that are already there. The filter that I am providing is a 2 micron but it could be substituted with a 10 or 30 micron. Element. Wiring harness works with all model years.

Greg

Roegs
01-22-2004, 07:56 PM
Greg...are there any differences between your kit and the RK-32313 being offered by Racor? The first Racor dealer I called is selling the RK-32313 for just under $275, which also includes a substituted 2 micron filter.

railbuff
01-22-2004, 07:58 PM
LanduytG


When you say 2 micron, is that nominal or absolute? What is the efficiency or Beta value?








Pete

LanduytG
01-22-2004, 08:02 PM
Roegs
The only difference is how the fuel lines are attached, other wise its the very same. After all they copied mine. If you can get it for $275 I would get it, but I will have them and they don't and don't have any idea when they will get them either.


2 micron at 95% eff. It was been proven by many fuel analysis form others.

Greg

YZF1R
01-22-2004, 08:16 PM
Looks like a nice kit, Greg. The wiring harness looks like a sano job too!


Steve

John R
01-22-2004, 09:14 PM
Nice Kit, mines just like it except for the WIF sensor.


I do want one of those bowl wrenches though, How much and how do I go about getting one?

Chalie
01-22-2004, 09:22 PM
LanduytG, I need to add a kit to my 04d/a but I'm so confused with all the different kits out there. I'm a little confused about where the filter is mounted, but you say the rubber hose by the o.e. filter needs to be cut, I don't understand how you plumb the racor filter by the tank without cutting or removing anything in 60 minutes or so. Please don't misunderstand my confusion/ignorance. Is it posibble to see some installation pics for clarity.


Thanks

LanduytG
01-22-2004, 09:26 PM
The rubber hose is not cut, you mount the filter and have the hose attached to the filter. You then use a small tubing cutter to cut the metal fuel linre that runs behind the filter. Ince cut you slide the hose over the top and use the spring clamp provided to hold it in place. This is be easiest filter to install.





Greg

Idle_Chatter
01-22-2004, 10:33 PM
The rubber hose is not cut, you mount the filter and have the hose attached to the filter. You then use a small tubing cutter to cut the metal fuel linre that runs behind the filter. Ince cut you slide the hose over the top and use the spring clamp provided to hold it in place. This is be easiest filter to install.





Greg, I think you need to clarify - you are saying "cut behind the FILTER" which is NOT on the frame or near the tank. Do you mean COOLER?

_nar_
01-22-2004, 10:43 PM
But then there is the warranty issue of cutting the lines with this then isn't there? Or is it the same as the one GM was going to sell?

tysmith
01-22-2004, 10:53 PM
The rubber hose is not cut, you mount the filter and have the hose attached to the filter. You then use a small tubing cutter to cut the metal fuel linre that runs behind the filter. Ince cut you slide the hose over the top and use the spring clamp provided to hold it in place. This is be easiest filter to install.





Greg





Seems like a real hack way to install a filter. Great if you don't want to reverse it, or if you want to risk small bits of metal from the cut fuel line making it past the factory filter. I don't care how good your tubing cutter is. If this is in fact the same kit to be offered by GM, congrats, boys! You've done it again.


Ty

tophog
01-22-2004, 11:11 PM
I have the original kit Racor kit from Greg, the install/mount is the same... I have picts of the install via the link in my sig.


On edit, I don't think there is an issue with cutting the fuel line. You have the OEM down stream and when you cut the fuel line fuel dumps out both ends which I think would help wash away any metal particles left over by the tubing cutter. Wouldn't there be just as much risks to getting stuff in the fuel system by disconnecting the lines from the tank?


http://home.comcast.net/~tophog/duramax/images/racor660/IMG_0584.jpgEdited by: tophog

LanduytG
01-22-2004, 11:12 PM
No you cut the 1/2" line right behind the filter and install the hose. The racor kit also cuts the line but the take out a section of it. With mine if you want to take it off you just pull off the hoses and get a couple to put the line back together. With the Racor/GM kit your screwed because now you have to replace a section of the line.


With mine you plumb it so when you are looking at the filter the inlet is on the right and the outlet on the left. Once the line is cut you take the hose on the right (inlet) sweep it back behind the filter and slide it onto the supply line from the tank which is the line on the left side of the filter. Take to hose on the left side of the filter (outlet) and run it behind the filter and slide it over the line on the right thats going to the engine. The reason for doing it this way is so you only have to cut the line in one spot and you have nice sweeping bends. I has worked great for dozens of installs.





I need to get some install pictures and then you would understand better what I am taking about. I guess you could do it the way the Racor/GM kit does it but their really no advantage to doing it that way.





Greg

problemchild
01-22-2004, 11:27 PM
Could this sit post oem on the 2nd alt bracket holes?
Would it be too restrictive to run this post oem and the nictane pre-oem for a total of 3 filters?

Jomar
01-22-2004, 11:48 PM
Greg, maybe you should say, mount the filter and then cut the line behind the filter.





Jomar

keystonekid
01-23-2004, 12:20 AM
tophog, thats a nice clean install, tell me though it looks pretty exposed too the element's, I would be concerned about a rock flying up and cracking the plastic bowl, are you planning on installing some sort of skid plate under neat it for protection?.

tophog
01-23-2004, 12:28 AM
tophog, thats a nice clean install, tell me though it looks pretty exposed too the element's, I would be concerned about a rock flying up and cracking the plastic bowl, are you planning on installing some sort of skid plate under neat it for protection?.


I've thought about the "broken bowl" scenario and have pondered fabricating some type of shield or simply buying a backup bowl. I'm off the ground more with a 4" lift however that wouldn't prevent a rock from hitting it. I feel the filter is relatively well protected as it sits up above the bottom of the frame and being more toward the rear of the truck a broken bowl isn't very likely, but possible. A broken bowl does bring up the subject of a shut-off valve. If the bowl somehow got broken by a rock or whatever you would want to shut-off fuel flow ... assuming fuel would dump out ... wouldn't want the local hazmat team showing up for a fuel spill and having you pay some fine and clean-up costs http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I guess a pair of vice grips would work too.

SaguaroKid
01-23-2004, 12:52 AM
About braking the plastic bowl, how about a guard, a kevlar padded sock. How about if ya brake the bowl, ya have a series of valves to by pass the filter.


How's the wires hook up.


I want one...........

BKG-22
01-23-2004, 01:59 AM
Looks great - but a couple of questions.


The plumbing looks fairly straight forward - but what about the electrical side of it?


For the power to the heater, do we have to tap into a tail light or cut into a wireharness somewhere? Do we have to worry about fuses or circuit loads?


What about the WIF? I see that coil of wire. Do I need to run that all the way up to the front of the truck? Does the DIC sense information from both WIF sensors or only one? The there a "Y" in the cable so it senses both?


Any lift pump, priming, or other considerations that would cause problems starting or was that limited to post-OEM installations only?


Lastly, does anyone have that link that showed the filtration results of the Racor 660R in comparison to the Baldwin (MEGA) and the CAT (Nicktane) filter?

LanduytG
01-23-2004, 05:48 AM
I have had this type of setup on my 95 for about 5 years or so and its in the same position and I have never had a problem.

The wiring is very simple, you plug into the filter and run the wire along the frame and go up to the fuse block on the drivers side fender well. Harness has a built in 20 amp fuse and power relay. Power is gotten off the main power lug. The WIF connects to a wire on the fire wall and so does the relay key line and of course you have a ground wire to hook up as well.

No loft pump, GM does not like like pumps and it will cause a warranty issue if one is used. What I do is fill the filter most the way up before you put it on. Then open the OEM bleeder and use the OEM primer pump to fill it the rest the way up.

I would be happy to install this on someones truck for free and give them a discount on the system just so I could get some good pictures for the instruction sheet. Any takers?

Greg

LanduytG
01-23-2004, 07:11 AM
Just setting here and figuring the cost and I made a mistake. The cost will be $285 not $300. And if ordered by January 30 you can buy up to 6 replacement filters for $19 each.


Greg

Kartattack
01-23-2004, 08:24 AM
Hell yeah I'll take the free install! However, one of us is going to have to do some travelling...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

juicemac78
01-23-2004, 08:33 AM
I would will willing to do an install Greg. Where exactly is Greenfield, IN? I am just a little south in Bowling Green, KY. Let me know if we can work something out.


Thanks,
Justin

Zeeb
01-23-2004, 09:39 AM
One additional question if anyone might know.


It looks like a clean install, but can anyone say whether or not this location would interfer with where a "Hidden Hitch" ball type fifth wheel hitch mounts?


Those are the ones where you cut a four inch diameter hole in the bed and a retractable ball comes up through. The mount itself goes across under the bed and mounts on the frame.

LanduytG
01-23-2004, 09:47 AM
Justin
I am just 30 minutes east of downtown Indianapolis on I-70.

Greg

juicemac78
01-23-2004, 09:49 AM
Greg, would you want to work something out? I could possibly do it as early as tomorrow. This kit has been approved by GM, correct? Is this the same size, type filter as the stock one, or is this filter new and improved? Let me know if we can do something.


Thanks,
Justin

Oldman
01-23-2004, 11:44 AM
I have a couple of questions. Is the bowl going to freeze up and break at 30 or 40 below? Can spare bowls be ordered? I like the idea of a shut off valve. That should be pretty easy to put in.

LanduytG
01-23-2004, 01:30 PM
Yes you can order a spare bowl but I doubt you will need it. This is 1/4" poly carbonate.

Greg

SaguaroKid
01-23-2004, 01:45 PM
Which filter do I order as a replacement?

Mic_
01-23-2004, 01:45 PM
Greg,








Any thought of a 'skid/rock' plate for it?

LanduytG
01-23-2004, 02:08 PM
Oder the R60S as a replacement.


After tomorrow when I install this kit thatI have I will know what I am going to do about the rock guard.

Greg

Oldman
01-23-2004, 02:45 PM
Yes you can order a spare bowl but I doubt you will need it. This is 1/4" poly carbonate. Greg


Is the drain automatic or will I have to do it on a regular basis? If it's automatic I'm not too worried. If I have to do it I'm afraid of waiting too long and having it freeze.

BKG-22
01-23-2004, 02:45 PM
For what it is worth, the Racor Bulletin mentions a filter guard option part number RK32347, which supposedly is to help protect it under adverse conditions.


I do not see any pictures of the guard and in another thread, someone tried to order it with their filter but was told it was not available. The Racor distributor will take the order for the filter kit (regardless of availability) but would not take the order for the guard yet. I found that kinda strange.


I may look at Racor's design for the guard as a reference, but would probably fabricate one on my own. I can't imagine it being much more than a heavy bracket of some variation.

camp
01-23-2004, 03:10 PM
That is a good looking kit. I had to order one. Now if I could only get home to install the new toys for my truck I ordered while gone.

BKG-22
01-23-2004, 03:27 PM
LanduytG - do you have installation instructions for this yet and if so, can you post them for access? It looks straight forward enough but would not want to miss a subtle or critical step.


I see you offered a free install so you could take pics, so maybe your instructions are in the works?


Thanks!Edited by: BKG-22

LanduytG
01-23-2004, 04:51 PM
Dave
The drain is not automatic, but then in 4 or 5 years that I have this filter on my 6.5TD, I can only remember once that it hard water in it. and then it was only a spoon full.


BKG-22
I am going to look at how a rock guard can be attached. I already have and idea for the brackets that I have left. But future brackets it will be part of the mounting bracket and will not be and option. Of course the price will go up a small amout for this.

As for instructions I will have some in a few days after I do the install and take pictures tomorrow.

Greg

Zeke
01-23-2004, 05:24 PM
Greg;


I am considering a replacement tank, either Transfer Flow or Supertank. I believe they may be longer than stock. Do you know if there would be an interference issue?


BTY - Thanks much for all the fine work. looking forward to the install picts.


Zeke

RUMAXED
01-23-2004, 05:35 PM
Greg;


I am considering a replacement tank, either Transfer Flow or Supertank. I believe they may be longer than stock. Do you know if there would be an interference issue?


BTY - Thanks much for all the fine work. looking forward to the install picts.


Zeke





you will not be able to put the filter in front of the cooler with the transflow tank install, it would be 27'' past the cooler but the filter will still fit in front of the tank

tophog
01-23-2004, 07:11 PM
Perhaps someone will come up with an in-cab mount/install ...say in a cup holder on the dash or something. That way we can watch the fuel filter while driving, look for water in the bowl, etc. Could train wife to do filter changes going down the road. :)

shuffman
01-23-2004, 10:17 PM
Checkout the link below to see my "under the hood" Racor installation. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page. Why would anyone want to mount a fuel filter on the frame?? http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2839&PN=10&TPN=1

LanduytG
01-24-2004, 04:02 PM
Well the first Racor kit with the WIF has been installed and works as planned. Thanks to juicemac78 for coming up from Bowling Green this afternoon, we were able to get in installed and take lots of pictures. We spent about 2 hours with the install but that was time shooten the bull and taking pictures. I will try to have instruction done and posted in the next couple of days.

Greg

DavesDmax
01-24-2004, 07:57 PM
I'm interested in the kit Greg, keep us informed.


Have you ever thought about using Swedgelock to pipe connectors on in place of just clamping the hose to the cut fuel line?

juicemac78
01-25-2004, 02:42 PM
Thanks again Greg for the kit, and the professional install yesterday. Everything works perfectly and should provide many trouble-free miles! If anyone has any doubts, don't worry. This is a factory appearing kit and is exactly what I was looking for. Wish I had a fresh new set of injectors!!


Justin

Bronco
01-25-2004, 02:57 PM
Top hog wrote:


Perhaps someone will come up with an in-cab mount/install ...say in a cup holder on the dash or something. That way we can watch the fuel filter while driving, look for water in the bowl, etc. Could train wife to do filter changes going down the road. :)


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Roegs
01-25-2004, 03:06 PM
I'm interested in the kit Greg, keep us informed.


Have you ever thought about using Swedgelock to pipe connectors on in place of just clamping the hose to the cut fuel line?





DavesDmax....did you mean Swagelok as shown in the link below? They appear to be similar to compression fittings.


http://www.swagelok.com/category.asp?tp=117&tpd=Fittings+%2D+Tube+++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++&group=FITTINGS&bigp=Tub e.jpg&groupDesc=FittingsEdited by: Roegs

DavesDmax
01-25-2004, 03:40 PM
Yep, sorry for the mis-spelling. They are indeed compression fittings. They have a 2 piece ferrule design and require no flaring of tubing. Pricey as compared to flared fittings but are rated from 10,000-25,000 psi. we used them a lot in the Sub fleet and in Nuclear service applications. From the maintenance guys perspective, they are a dream to put together for a good clean resuable connection.

RUMAXED
01-25-2004, 07:03 PM
Has Any One Tried Piping In The Filter With The Same Piping As Oem. Is It Possible?

PULNPWR
01-26-2004, 12:41 PM
Dave will there be a group buy on this item. Is this saying that GM will not Voided my Warranty. Are they backing this....

BKG-22
01-26-2004, 08:23 PM
I may be interested in a group buy as well if it goes that direction. Still kinda tore between the Nicktane and this Racor kit though. Although I have nothing "scientific" to base it on, the reading I have done leads me to beleive that the Cat filter is of a better quality but I like the "almost OEM" status (wishful thinking?), bowl heater, and WIF sensor of the Racor.


My decision would be REAL easy if Racor would just cough up an official GM endorsement of the unit (i.e. NOT void my warrantee). In the mean time, I am keeping the miles as low as possible - probably more paranoia than anything else - but will get a filter kit one way or another by Spring.


BTW - I sent Racor a real nice professional e-mail last week regarding GM's approval (or dis-approval) of thier kit they are now selling and have heard absolutely nothing, zero, zilch, nada.... kindamakes me wonder what's up.Edited by: BKG-22

Kartattack
01-26-2004, 10:57 PM
"My decision would be REAL easy if Racor would just cough up an official GM endorsement..."


Mine as well. I guess I'm going with Nicktane...

PULNPWR
01-27-2004, 11:05 AM
My decision would be REAL easy if Racor would just cough up an official GM endorsement, this goes for me also...

BKG-22
01-27-2004, 03:54 PM
Kinda related question regarding this Racor kit..... once it is installed, how do you test to see if the WIF sensors are actually working properly?


Pour a gallon of water in the tank, start it up and wait http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif (juuuuuust kidding!!!! - but if you do try this method, don't forget to add another gallon of isopropyl alcohol to absorb it and let it pass through your fuel system)


But seriously, is there a reset/test button on the filter head that can be pushed that would cause the warning message to show up on the DIC. That would be nice, but I have a feeling it is not quite that easy. Optimally, after the second filter is added, I would think it would be wise to test both.


Patiently waiting for those install instructions......... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


I hope y'all are humorable today!Edited by: BKG-22

Deadeye
01-27-2004, 05:47 PM
I had my truck in for a flywheel replacement (see ZF6 Flexplate thread). I showed the service manager the Racor ad which I printed from a link off this forum and asked him about it. He was not aware of it but had no problem with an install. He believed it would be a good idea. The only reason, he said, that it might become an issue would be if there was a failure that pointed to the fule system failing due to filtering.


I intend to install one along with a lift-pump which the service manager thought would be a good idea.

BKG-22
01-27-2004, 09:40 PM
Another question: It sounds like more than one person out here has expressed concern that the Racor filter is plumbed by cutting an existing fuel line.


Why can't the Racor be plumbed into the fuel system like the Nictane unit? Add some additional fuel line and a couple of connectors and seemes like it could be done the same way, no?

LanduytG
01-28-2004, 07:48 AM
BKG-22

Their are no moving parts in the Racor WIF like their is in the OEM WIF. But you could test it everytime you change the filter by shorting the 2 electrods together as stated in the instructions.

I guess I am blind because I don't see any special fittings in the Nicktane system. He is using hose barb fitting as far as I can see.

Greg

BKG-22
01-28-2004, 08:58 AM
Thanks, Greg -


At the time I posted that, the instructions weren't there yet (I don't think). By the way, you state that you have problems writing tech docs like this? I don't think so.... GOOD JOB http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif.


As far as the Nicktane plumbing comment above - your not blind, I was too lazy to go verify Nick's part list and installation again so I just mentioned the fittings as a worst case scenario. Regardless, I do not see why your kit could not be plumbed the same way if some one has a serious problem cutting into the fuel lines. Just an alternative perspective.


Good job, Greg!Edited by: BKG-22

OC_DMAX
01-28-2004, 09:14 AM
I have my Racor R660 filter plumbed directly to the fuel tank and then to the quick disconnect location behind the fuel cooler. Similar to the Nicktane system. I copied the early work of "Jbplock" when I selected this method of install. Works fine.

silatman
01-28-2004, 11:46 PM
Greg,


How does the 2micron Racor compare when installed pre OEM to the Mega, and CAT from an ISO perspective?

HossKartrite
02-01-2004, 02:22 PM
I was thinking of hooking this kit up directly to the fuel tank, like the nicktane hooks up. It would eliminate cutting the fuel line, and make returning to stock very easy. Can anybody foresee any problems with an install like this, other than needing longer hoses to connect to the secondary? I really like idea of a secondary filter with a WIF sensor and a drain, because the oem filter apparently has as much trouble blocking water as it does filtering 2 micron size particles.


Hoss

Roegs
02-01-2004, 03:01 PM
I'm a little confused as to the advantages of the nicktane method of fuel connection. Gregs kit uses 1 cut in the line (no sections are removed) that is easily repaired with a small section of rubber fuel line and 2 clamps (assuming you want to go back not using the filter). Using the nicktane method, I've seen everything from removing the box off the truck, or dropping the driveshaft, or removing the exhaust, or cutting the heat shield on the tank itself, or dropping the tank. Why go through all that work when you can make a 3 minute cut in the line that is easily repaired?

HossKartrite
02-01-2004, 03:20 PM
Some people have posted their concerns about cutting the oem fuel line. The nicktane method would be an option for those who want to keep the original fuel line intact. It is definitely a more difficult install.


Hoss

10-ton
02-01-2004, 04:17 PM
I just installed the Nictane kit last weekend with the big advantage for me being that I have a reg. cab is that is the only place there is enough room. I know most people have the EC and CC so this is not a big deal. I've looked at everybody's pictures and there is so much room to work until you crawl under a reg.cab. I apoligize for getting off the subject but I guess my point is the racor kit might not be a quick 30 min. install on a reg. cab.

jesshd
02-01-2004, 11:44 PM
I guess that I am a wimp. I installed the Nicktane and it was a bear. I know that there are those on here that have said that it was an easy install and that they had no problems. The thing that the Nicktane does not have is a heater, WIF sensor, or the ability to add one that works with the stock DIC. I can also see where the Racor kit would take a LOT less work to install. I know that there are also those here that are worried about cutting the fuel line and getting contamination in the fuel. Think about this. EVERY time you fill up and take the gas cap off, you are contaminating the fuel. There is just as much chance of getting dirt, water and crap in the fuel system from filling the gas tank as cutting the fuel line. There is also as much risk of getting dirt and crap in the lines from pulling the stock lines off like you do with the Nicktane. I think that we are being way to anal about this. If I had it to do over again, I would take a serious look at the new Racor kit. Looks to be a MUCH easier install and then you have the added advantage of the WIF and heater. Don't get me wrong, I love the Nicktane. I have run it here in Colorado to -5 F cold start and everything in between. No problems what so ever. But, the install was a bitch when working alone, I got run over by my truck when I did it, so that did not help, and as I stated before, I think that even the frame mount and cutting the fuel line would be easier and quicker. They both have gotten great fuel cleanliness reports, it just breaks down to what you are most comfortable with. All I can say is that I am glad that my Nicktane is on and that I don't have to undo it.





Jess

Frank Blum
02-02-2004, 01:19 AM
Zeeb, Greg's filter mounts several feet forward of the hitch frame brackets. There are a lot of Racor 660s all over the country mounted in this location. No one has posted a problem with any kind of damage. They have posted some excellent ISO cleanliness code numbers. Greg has put together a very good kit for a good price. He has done his home work. Secondary filters are old news on the dieselpage. Greg has been involved since day one. Later! Frank http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Ray403Dmax
02-02-2004, 10:52 AM
I guess that I am a wimp. I installed the Nicktane and it was a bear.


I agree, it's not an easy install. There are neck wrenching positions, occasional knuckle-banging, and you get filthy dirty, but I know I'd take more care in the install, making sure things are clean and maintainable, than relying on a local dealer tech hacking it on as fast as humanly possible. I wasn't in any race when I installed mine. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

2MuchFun
02-02-2004, 11:40 AM
Im just wondering why there needs to be a heater? Is that just for people in cold climates? Do you have a kit available without the heater at a lesser cost since my truck lives in 50F+ temps. year round?


Also, do you accept paypal?


~On a side note; I dont see how a service dept. could void your warranty over a pre-oem fuel filter. All it can do it good! Am I wrong? Can it cause any problems? I sure cant think of any, but Im just a weekend wrench, not a tech.Edited by: 2MuchFun

ChevyPackin'Heat
02-02-2004, 12:26 PM
Hope this does not show up twice!

What was I saying...Oh Yea, I am installing the Nicktane by cutting the fuel line (that portion removed in Nick's instructions), and plumbing the filter in by splicing with barbed brass fittings. When I asked the question on an other topic page, all I got was, "if you want to return to stock, you will have to pay $140.00 to replace the line you cut!!!"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif
What Stock!!! It ain't never goin' ta be stock again anyways. Who cares about a fuel line cut???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif
I am not sure why everyone has shortened their life with the tank drop, bed lift, stand on your head, bust your knuckles, remove the OEM fuel line route. Again, if I have missed something (other than you will pay $140.00 to go back to stock) please let me know, I am splicing things back together tonight.
Clean fuel makes me sleep better at night
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BKG-22
02-02-2004, 05:00 PM
I do not see the big problems cutting into the lines - but then again, I am not the service guy at the dealership who is going to look at my truck for warrantee service.


What I would like to hear more about are the special connectors to use instead of hose clamps. I think if there was some quick-disconnect set-up, that would be GREAT! That way if there ever was a question about the filter.... remove a couple bolts, replace filter with a small peice of flexible hose and be on the road again with 15 minutes.


I looked briefly at the Swagelock (sp?). The initial cost would not bother me, it would be the cost of the tools to install it. The hoses may be able to be pre-fab'd at a hydraulic hose shop, but what about the metal lines under the truck? Do I need to buy a flare tool or something?


Bottom line is that for convenience and a top-notch professional looking job - I think some sort of connector would look better than clamps. Does anyone have suggestions on this type of a QD connector I described and what it takes to install it (special tools, skills, etc)?Edited by: BKG-22

LanduytG
02-02-2004, 05:40 PM
Well I now have enough material to get 6 of the Racor kits out tomorrow. I hope to get the rest of the stuff in a couple of days.

Greg

SaguaroKid
02-02-2004, 05:44 PM
Hope one's mine. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif

LanduytG
02-02-2004, 07:50 PM
Mark
You are in luck, you are 3rd on the list.

Greg

DavesDmax
02-02-2004, 07:59 PM
I looked briefly at the Swagelock (sp?). The initial cost would not bother me, it would be the cost of the tools to install it. The hoses may be able to be pre-fab'd at a hydraulic hose shop, but what about the metal lines under the truck? Do I need to buy a flare tool or something?





No special tools or flaring of lines are needed with this type of connector. They are engineered to be put per instructions and tighten a specified amount to set the ferrule on the tubing and you're golden. Swagelok does sell a go-no go gauge but you can set them correctly by counting flats past hand tight.


The only thing you do not dare to do with these types of fittings is overtighten them. That will only cause a leak to get worse or gall the threads on the fitting.


I have not looked at swagelok to see if they have a barbed hose to tube fitting in the geometry they we want but I believe that they do. They have fitting configurations for just about any combination you can think of.Edited by: DavesDmax

Mic_
02-02-2004, 08:50 PM
And Me too!?!?!? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

LanduytG
02-02-2004, 09:50 PM
Mic
You better go buy a lottery ticket. You are the last one for this batch.

Greg

LanduytG
02-05-2004, 02:30 PM
Well guys I guess that I must of made Racor madd. I had enough parts on hand to make a few of the new kits and got them out. But I have plenty more orders to fill and now I can't get the parts because Racor has back ordered them. I have been using these parts for over a year and have never had back order issues till now. Do you suppose they want me to buy their kit for more money?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Greg

Roegs
02-05-2004, 02:50 PM
Greg, is the wiring harness in your kit one you make up, or is it the actual Racor harness that you obtain from Racor? I'm wondering if their harness uses the same 3m Scotchlocks for connecting the wiring.

LanduytG
02-05-2004, 03:06 PM
Roegs

The harness is my own and looks far more professional than Racor's. I use heat shrink, inline fuse holder and fuse, relay and now the ends are crimped on as well. This is a true plug and play system. I am also using moisture resistant Scotch Locs and thanks to a dieselplace member for heading me in the right direction on that issue. I would post a picture and will as soon as I get the Racor stuff to make one up.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Greg

Frank Blum
02-05-2004, 08:57 PM
Greg, before I started buying from you I got mine from DIS. They were always on back order. I think there are a lot of people installing a second filter. The Racors have some good numbers on the fuel analysis. The data is not being wasted on a lot of people. Later! Frank http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

ArrBee
02-05-2004, 09:18 PM
I have had this type of setup on my 95 for about 5 years or so and its in the same position and I have never had a problem.

The wiring is very simple, you plug into the filter and run the wire along the frame and go up to the fuse block on the drivers side fender well. Harness has a built in 20 amp fuse and power relay. Power is gotten off the main power lug. The WIF connects to a wire on the fire wall and so does the relay key line and of course you have a ground wire to hook up as well.

No loft pump, GM does not like like pumps and it will cause a warranty issue if one is used. What I do is fill the filter most the way up before you put it on. Then open the OEM bleeder and use the OEM primer pump to fill it the rest the way up.

I would be happy to install this on someones truck for free and give them a discount on the system just so I could get some good pictures for the instruction sheet. Any takers?

Greg

How about you send me a free kit, I install it and take MANY pictures - just to show how easy it is for the mechanically inept to installhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif
Also because I'm a bit far away (Massachusetts), but you NEED an east coast rep, right ?

LanduytG
02-05-2004, 09:51 PM
Sorry but the proto type was installed a couple weeks ago.

Greg

NorthCoastDmax
02-05-2004, 11:06 PM
Greg

Any Idea how long this Racor back order is going to last? I oredered a kit 1 week ago and have not heard anything back.

LanduytG
02-06-2004, 06:50 AM
I hope to know more today. As for yourorder, what is the first name? I have one here thats Neil? Other wise its gone out.

Greg

NorthCoastDmax
02-06-2004, 11:24 AM
The first name is Neil for my order so that's more than likely the one you have there.

LanduytG
02-06-2004, 12:23 PM
Just got and update on the Racor back order. All items are to be shipped on Wed Feb.11. So I should be back in business around the 16th.

Greg

SaguaroKid
02-07-2004, 12:59 AM
Wow, I got my kit today and..........it looks great. Can't wait to put it on.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Thanks Greg.