Does anybody have an Edge Insight on their LML and if so can you tell me what it shows. i want to see boost, EGT, whether or not its regening and hoping there is some way to see DEF level, plus all the other good stuff.

Yes, I have it on mine. I took it out of my 07 classic and plugged it right in. Show's boost, egt (with probe), regen status, soot level (you can watch it go up while not in regen and down as regen is going on), along with several other reading. Mine show's nothing about def fluild though.

Moved to 5th gen electronics.

where do you put the probe for the egt?? dont want to go drilling anything that will void the warranty.

where do you put the probe for the egt?? dont want to go drilling anything that will void the warranty.

You have to tap a hole in the manifold for the sensor; no it will not void your warrenty.

thanks, kinda supprised though (in a good way), figured drilling into something on the motor would void warranty. do you need to take it off the truck to drill?

Drill and tap it with the motor running and use lots of grease on both the drill and the tap...

is the insight just a monitoring tool?

yes, the insight just monitors only. On the issue with egt reading, I forgot to mention that there is two egt reading in exhaust system after turbo that you can watch by just plugging it in.

So the insight does work with the 2011 duramaxs.....what ealse can you all tell about it..im thinking about picking one up for my 2011

Weird, I called them today and said nothing will work on 2011. Would not sell me anything

Yes, I have it on mine. I took it out of my 07 classic and plugged it right in. Show's boost, egt (with probe), regen status, soot level (you can watch it go up while not in regen and down as regen is going on), along with several other reading. Mine show's nothing about def fluild though.

I dont know how you are getting the soot level/Boost.....................?

I spoke with edge today on the phone for about an hour, and they said it is not physically possible yet? They are working on a release but it will take another month or two. I have the CTS insight and I get a general OBD2 pid selection, and in that I mean, RPM.ECT temp, Load etc....

The Insight reads the vin every time you turn the ignition on and then locks it to a vehicle specific PID list. Meaning a LML vin wont be able to lock to a LMM or any other vin cause the vin value is different.

I am still baffled that you are able to get certain PIDS, interesting.

Weird, I called them today and said nothing will work on 2011. Would not sell me anything

GG you can buy the CTS or any other insight that is for 1996 and newer models, the only thing is you wont get LML specific PIDS, YET. I was told a month or so. But I currently am able to read EGT, load, rpm, mass air flow, manifold press, mph, throttle position and a few others but nothing specific to the DPF/DEF or LML.

GG you can buy the CTS or any other insight that is for 1996 and newer models, the only thing is you wont get LML specific PIDS, YET. I was told a month or so. But I currently am able to read EGT, load, rpm, mass air flow, manifold press, mph, throttle position and a few others but nothing specific to the DPF/DEF or LML.

Are you able to read boost right now?

Per an email with edge, this is what their current software can read:
Engine Run Time
Manifold Absolute Pressure
Mass Air Flow
O2 S1 Lambda
02 S2 Lambda
Vehicles Speed
Engine RPM
Engine Load
Engine Coolant Temp
Corrected Speed
Battery Voltage
Barometric Pressure
Accelerator pedal position

Exactly! That is all I get, the PIDS are already being worked on he said a month or so.... So plan for 3 ;)

I've had an Insight since last August, and all it's ever shown is the generic info, which is useless. Another board member carried their Insight over from their LMM, and they were able to read boost, soot level, etc. immediately. This was as of last August. I called Edge, and they had an engineer work on it. They called me back and told me to proceed with the update that they had ready at that time. He said if it didn't work after the update it's not compatible with 2011's. LOL My Insight currently monitors the bottom shelf of my bookcase in my office. ;) Hopefully an update will be here before long so I can see some useful info, particularly when pulling!

I've had an Insight since last August, and all it's ever shown is the generic info, which is useless. Another board member carried their Insight over from their LMM, and they were able to read boost, soot level, etc. immediately. This was as of last August. I called Edge, and they had an engineer work on it. They called me back and told me to proceed with the update that they had ready at that time. He said if it didn't work after the update it's not compatible with 2011's. LOL My Insight currently monitors the bottom shelf of my bookcase in my office. ;) Hopefully an update will be here before long so I can see some useful info, particularly when pulling!

The other member is full of shi*. I called him out on another thread and Crickets*. It simply is not possible to read the same Pids as the Lmm end of story. The Problem is the Insight cannot determine what vehicle it is (No database) therefor it loads a general OBD2 selection and that is it.

Unless you know who u are talking to over there, everyone you speak to is an engineer (Really A guy who is in customer service who couldnt tell you the difference between an LMM and LML besides the different letters ;))

I really hope that they get on this soon, I really want to get one but not if it only monitors generic info.

i have mine mounted on the little dash pod that they sell. I like it because it has the actual speed, not the 2mph off that the speedometer shows (yes, i know the data comes from the same source, but for some reason GM and others show that you're going faster than you actually are, theres another thread about that on here somewhere). Anyways, i find it much easier to just glance over to the left to see the speed rather than to look down. Its just slightly easier to see and less distracting.
That and i like the actual readout for engine coolant temperature rather than the dummy gauge on the dash.
So, to me, the insight is still useful.. but i would really like to see it give more readouts like boost and egt. There are already EGT sensors on this truck so theres no reason they shouldnt be able to add that to the PIDs without having to install an aftermarket probe

anybody know if there are any updates to the insight now?

Not that I know of. Another member said that he talked to Edge recently and was told that the updates are still 2 months out.

Nothing yet for beta so......... Taking longer then predicted. I would imagine the DEF indicator is the hold up.

Bump!

Edge just posted this on Facebook, I would update your Insight and try it.


Edge Products (http://www.facebook.com/EdgeProducts)
New software update for CS/CTS customers. Version 3.0 is now available to be downloaded through Fusion. We will announce the office release by Monday. We wanted to release it to our facebook loyal fans first. Version 3.0 will include the following:
Mileage Coach Software
2009-2010 Ford F-150 Tranny Tunes
Backup Camera at start-up
Enhanced PID support for Dodge Gas/Diesel Trucks, Jeeps, Ford 6.0L & 7.3L Diesels, 2011 Ford 6.7L & GM LML Diesels
Additional PIDs for Insight CAN vehicles

It works!
I dont have a complete list of what it reads but here are a few

Boost
4 different EGT's (all post turbo)
DEF Level (100,66,33,0%)
DEF temperature
Fuel rail pressure
Fuel temp
DPF soot volume
Regen indicator
Trans fluid temp
corrected speed

and a whole lot more

It's about time

Yup. Works good. Got a DEF gauge now. Selected Boost and EGT (post turbo) too. Will check the Econ Mileage estimate tomorrow.

Yup. Works good. Got a DEF gauge now. Selected Boost and EGT (post turbo) too. Will check the Econ Mileage estimate tomorrow.

So, do you still have to install a pyrometer, or did GM finally get smart and start having some sort of factory pyrometer to monitor egt's?

Just went and bought one, I can also confirm that the new PID's work. There are 4 EGT probes, one post turbo, one pre DOC, one post DOC pre DPF, and one post DPF.

I want a clean install, what about the dash pod??

I have a Denali HD.

Do they have a pod that will work??

I am using the pod. Clean and easy install. Its pricey but was worth it for me.

Dont know about the denali, but i have the dash pod in my SLE and it looks like it came from the factory with the insight.

The shop I picked mine up at had to order me the pod, should have it on Tuesday. It looks like it will give a clean install, but I also have the non-lux interior.

Since I have the Denali I guess I will need the one for the Lux interior??

It only lists up to 2010.

What changed? Whats the difference in the two?? I have a little defogger vent at the top of the dash and the Bose speaker in the pillar??


Anyone have any pics??

Google search... not my truck.

http://www.bestinauto.com/web/edg/28302_a_lg.jpg

The interior didn't change from 2010-2011 so it will work just fine. And yes, you will need the pod for the luxury interior.

Mine goes over the vent next to the pillar in front. You need to order the rubber pod adapter for the install. The deluxe is modeled for the dash, not just square. Fits pretty good. Will need to be painted unless you have a gray dash. Mine is black and I had to paint it to match.

thanks for the replies!

Anyone found a good paint to match the dark Denali, black interior??

Just went and bought one, I can also confirm that the new PID's work. There are 4 EGT probes, one post turbo, one pre DOC, one post DOC pre DPF, and one post DPF.

Did you have to order the external pyrometer and drill and tap the exhaust manifold (and other locations for the other 3 probes) for them to actually work or are the pyrometers built into the truck and picked up electronically by the Insight? I notice that Edge sell two different pyrometers; expandable and non-expandable. I was assuming that if all you wanted to monitor all of the egt locations that you mentioned that you would have to get the expandable pyrometer. Soeone plese set me straight on how all of this works. I know I had to drill and tap the exhaust manifold on my '07 to get egt readings on my Evolution.

Did you have to order the external pyrometer and drill and tap the exhaust manifold (and other locations for the other 3 probes) for them to actually work or are the pyrometers built into the truck and picked up electronically by the Insight? I notice that Edge sell two different pyrometers; expandable and non-expandable. I was assuming that if all you wanted to monitor all of the egt locations that you mentioned that you would have to get the expandable pyrometer. Soeone plese set me straight on how all of this works. I know I had to drill and tap the exhaust manifold on my '07 to get egt readings on my Evolution.

theyre on the truck from the factory, just plug in the insight to the OBD II port and youre good to go.

txag09, you beat me to it...

The 4 locations that I mentioned are built into the truck. None of them are pre-turbo though, so there are really not that helpful. Since my truck is stock and I plan to keep it that way for a while (for the warranty), I am not too worried about EFT's and I did not drill and tap an aftermarket probe.

My question I think was overlooked..

Does any body know of the dash paint for the Denali? The black or dark charcoal color for the LUX dash??

txag09, you beat me to it...

The 4 locations that I mentioned are built into the truck. None of them are pre-turbo though, so there are really not that helpful. Since my truck is stock and I plan to keep it that way for a while (for the warranty), I am not too worried about EFT's and I did not drill and tap an aftermarket probe.

Thanks 83, I just had a senior moment or something ther for a while. I wasn't thinking about the fact that the optional pyrometer is pre-turbo and the ones built into the truck are post-turbo. It all makes sense now.

So I am wondering,

CTS, OR CS.

I like the idea of the touch screen BUT I like the way the CS fits flush in the mount VS in front like the CTS. The CTS looks like it may be a bit large and the CS would be more subtle...

Anyone have some pics of their Insights?? Post up!!!

I'll post up a pic once my pod arrives and I get it mounted up on Tuesday. Right now I am using the windshield mount and I don't like the way it looks at all. I don't know the color of the dash color for the denali though.

On a side note, does anyone know how far post-turbo the first factory pyrometer is? After reading another post on the emission system, it seems like it is right after the turbo. That being said, how far off can the pre vs. post turbo temps be?

My question I think was overlooked..

Does any body know of the dash paint for the Denali? The black or dark charcoal color for the LUX dash??

If your truck has the black interior (GM calls it Ebony), you will need to paint your pod to match your dash. Any automotive paint store should be able to get you the paint you need to get it to match.

sweet looking forward to the pic

thx

Here's a picture of my CTS in a pod while driving home. I like the touch screen and it really looks like it belongs in the pod with the rubber adapter. The paint I used was SEM color coat, #15013 - Landau Black. Matches pretty good on the Ebony black interior. Hope this helps.
http://www.thedittas.com/images/EdgePod.jpg http://www.thedittas.com/images/IntPaint.jpg

I called Edge and they confirmed that the dash pod that I ordered is black in color. I have the non-lux interior, do you think that I will still have to paint it to match? I was kinda hoping that I wouldn't.

If it's black already, probably not.

If it's black already, probably not.
I would assume the same, just curious why others are painting them...

I would assume the same, just curious why others are painting them...
I got the lux pod and it was gray. I'm not sure if they came in black or not. There wasn't an option for color. Painting it was not bad at all though. I thought it would kind of tacky but you wouldn't know it by looking at it IMO. Good luck with your. Post some pictures!

^^^ Cool, thanks for the reply. I really hope that I don't have to paint it! I will post some pics as soon as I get it installed. BTW, it looks like we have a few of the same parts on our trucks... good taste sir! ^^^

Ultrafied question for you on your pod. I have an LTZ also and I noticed that right where that pod mounts there is a window defrost vent there. Does the pod block the vent or is it still operational? I'm really thinking about getting one of these. Only thing I miss from my LLY is a good monitor.

it sits directly over the vent.

I ordered mine today, couldn't wait, LOL.. I went with the touch screen after I saw your pics..

Local offroad shop matched on line pricing, probably making pennies..

Oh well, I am now a customer.

I will post up once I get her all mounted up..

Any tips? Running the wire to the OBD port?? any input would be great!!

thanks

Pop the fuse acces panel off and stash the extra wire in there, otherwise it's a really easy install. I'll post up some pics when I get back to my computer.

thanks dmax, I will check back

Hay guys can the edge tunes from say an lmm be put into an lml? I'm sorry if this has been asked before I just don't wanna go through 6 pages

Ahhhh, no....

There is an update to the CTS CS units to 3.0 that looks like offers more PIDs for the LML area. Check this link and look under the LML PIDs offered. http://www.edgeproducts.com/whats_happening.php?whak=73

Brian

I read the news release so I'm assuming that this will just give you more gauges for the LML but no tuning or power levels? Anyone confirm?

I read the news release so I'm assuming that this will just give you more gauges for the LML but no tuning or power levels? Anyone confirm?

The update has nothing to do with tuning.

That's too bad that the pod blocks the defrost vent. If I end up getting one guess I will have to try to find a different way to mount it.

That's too bad that the pod blocks the defrost vent. If I end up getting one guess I will have to try to find a different way to mount it.


The pod has vent holes in it, and my side window defroster still works as good as it did before the pod was installed. ;)

I have the LTZ (Lux) dash by the way.

The pod has vent holes in it, and my side window defroster still works as good as it did before the pod was installed. ;)

I have the LTZ (Lux) dash by the way.

Dang, must be a newer pod then mine because there aren't any vent holes in mine.

I have had the pod for over a year now, so I doubt its a newer or different revision. You might want to call Edge and make sure you have the correct pod. :confused:

Correct part number.. Fits like glove. Maybe one of the guys that just got theirs now can let me know if they have vents in their pod.

Yeah I'll be interested to hear that too. If that's the case I'll be ordering one ASAP for my truck.

Correct part number.. Fits like glove. Maybe one of the guys that just got theirs now can let me know if they have vents in their pod.



I would be interested to see pictures of your pod to see the difference. Here is mine mounted on my dash, and you can see the side defroster vent slots.

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/chatcr250/32f2e6b3.jpg

Its about damn time... i guess i can finally order mine. thanks all for keeping the updates coming on this thread..

I would be interested to see pictures of your pod to see the difference. Here is mine mounted on my dash, and you can see the side defroster vent slots.

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/chatcr250/32f2e6b3.jpg

Ahhh. Mine is the same. Forgot about the side. Yup, mine is the same.

That looks nice! Definitely gonna be getting one of those for my truck. Thanks for the picture.

Anyone have the turbo timer? Seems like a great add on.

For all of the features that the CTS has, would it make sense to buy the CTS right now to monitor and later on add an XRT Pro without all of the gauge features H&S has on the Black Maxx? Might be a little more expensive in the long run and 2 screens, but at least you can do it in steps and change tuner easier if you change your mind about H&S.

Also, if I understood correctly, this is a fully plug&play unit? Just connect the OBDII and it can read everything?

I have a Mini Max for tuning and I am going to get an Insight yet. The tune remains installed even while the Mini max is unplugged and then I will get all the monitoring benefits and neat toys of the insight. I would like to run a pyro, turbo timer, backup camera, and some universal sensors for my compressor system.

Where can you order the Insight CTS. I have checked on the web and made calls, they say that they are not available for the 11's yet.

Where can you order the Insight CTS. I have checked on the web and made calls, they say that they are not available for the 11's yet.
I got mine from Thoroughbred Diesel. They ship it next day air.

http://www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/edge/insight-cs-cts.htm

Greg

Where can you order the Insight CTS. I have checked on the web and made calls, they say that they are not available for the 11's yet.

Any Vendor here should be able to sell you one that sells them. Even though they may not say 2011 ready you will most likely get one that has to be updated to the latest firmware and you be set to go. Contact Tyler from Meyer Performance and should be able to help you out.

Brian

I got mine from Thoroughbred Diesel. They ship it next day air.

http://www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/edge/insight-cs-cts.htm

Greg


I tried them, they said it would work but would not have anything that is 2011 model specific, DEF level etc.

I tried them, they said it would work but would not have anything that is 2011 model specific, DEF level etc.


As stated above it will need updated. Easy to do, just follow the directions and you would have any trouble. As said before you most likely will not get one with the latest update anyway.

Greg

Sorry it took so long to post pics, here is the non-lux dash in my 2011 with the insight cs.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/g35_83/IMG_0433.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/g35_83/IMG_0435.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/g35_83/IMG_0434.jpg

Sorry it took so long to post pics, here is the non-lux dash in my 2011 with the insight cs.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/g35_83/IMG_0433.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/g35_83/IMG_0435.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/g35_83/IMG_0434.jpg

Banks is offically on the clock! They have until Nov, to have something!
I like ur set up!

I like ur set up!

Thanks, I'm pretty partial to yours too :D

For what it's worth - I shot an email to Banks last Friday- Sat morning I got a phone call from Banks . He told me the techs say after first of year for 11's. I had specifically asked about the economind in my email....

I would be interested to see pictures of your pod to see the difference. Here is mine mounted on my dash, and you can see the side defroster vent slots.

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/chatcr250/32f2e6b3.jpg

chatcr250,

Is the Edge Part Number for your Dash Mount 28302 and is 98003 the P/N for the Insight CTS Dash Pod Adapter? I have the Lux Interior in Ebony on my 2011. Thanks

Yep, those are the part numbers I used for my truck. You will need to paint the pod to match the black.

Yep, those are the part numbers I used for my truck. You will need to paint the pod to match the black.


:thankyou2 Much appreciated.

Anybody try the DEF level PID for the insight? Mine seems to always say 100%. Whenever i got a message that said 300 something miles remaining, the isnight showed 99%. Just wondering if anyone else has more accurate readings, particularly after the def re-calibration recall

Edge is aware of the software bug. I was the first to make Edge aware of the problem. They will notify of the fix soon.

Jim

Sometimes when I accelerate quickly my insight beeps and I my DEF reading flashes and changes to a lower percentage, anyone else?

Mine would fluctuate a few points when I would take off or stop quick.. That was before it died and wouldn't stay on.....

Edge is aware of the software bug. I was the first to make Edge aware of the problem. They will notify of the fix soon.

Jim
Are you sure it is EDGE? I think it is GM.

we are not so sure now...

If I find out its my truck and all of our trucks...

I will make a public apology on here to Edge.

With the temperature dropping here in Wisconsin, my insight has been beeping and giving me a warning about my boost. When the alarm goes off it is always soon after I start the truck cold and I let off the accelerator. There is no boost but the alarm chirps and the gauge for boost is red. Anyone have any ideas?

When I remote start my truck my Insight is blank. I sat in it and watched and it starts up fine but then shuts off about a minute in. If you shut the truck off and start with the key its normal, or if you unplug it and plug it back in everything is fine as well. Does anyone know of a way to get it to stay on or some on with the key while remote starting?

This is normal. The CS/CTS units turn on when you start the truck by seeing a drop in voltage (unlike the older units that turned on when the key was in the "ON" position). When you remote start your truck, the unit turns on from the voltage drop, but turns off because the key is in the off position limiting communication.

So, when you remote start your truck, all you need to do to get the unit to turn on when you get in is to either touch the screen (CTS) or press a button (CS). Hope that helps.

Anyone else having the boost alarm going off?

This is normal. The CS/CTS units turn on when you start the truck by seeing a drop in voltage (unlike the older units that turned on when the key was in the "ON" position). When you remote start your truck, the unit turns on from the voltage drop, but turns off because the key is in the off position limiting communication.

So, when you remote start your truck, all you need to do to get the unit to turn on when you get in is to either touch the screen (CTS) or press a button (CS). Hope that helps.

Thanks for the response. I swear I tried touching it when it was blank before but I must not of. This morning I went out, touched it, and it fired right up. I'm pleased with the Insight.

As I stated in another post,

I had about 1.7 gallons of DEF remaining physically in the tank...

I added about 3.5 to 4 gallons of DEF and the Edge didnt update....range nothing...

Still says about 1020 miles left, and pretty much stays around there... and of course... still says 100%..

dealer said my truck is "Functioning normal"

I Almost want to physically drain my DEF tank and put the truck into Limp Mode and retop it off and see what happens....


How hard is it to drain my DEF tank?? to see if the functioning properly...

dealer wont perform a test like this...

Just drive the damn thing and quite worrying about.

easy for you to say if yours is working ok......

mine didnt work ok either but it didnt keep me from driving it and having fun with it! Drove all the way from western wyo with the def light on once also but dint shut it off so never no limits on speed. Seems to me some one on here drove from tx to mn and back with the light on and made it fine too. Ill say it again quit worring and go and have fun with the truck!!

I had about 2-3k on my urea when I got my Insight. The Urea level always read 100%. Last week in start coming off of 100% and is now around 50-60%. I have 5-6k since my last DEF fill up. The Urea range is still from 950-1050 miles, like it has always been.

I am thinking the Insight is working properly, it is just the truck. Maybe it does not take readings until the tank is close to empty.

I think you are right. My dealer was explaining that to me.

there are three pins in the tank. They measure the range. I am also starting to believe that the pins are only for the last 1000-1200 miles or so.

Anything above the top pin is going to read 100. Once you drop down, it will rapidly start showing a percentage drop.

This is the way the dealer explained it to me.

I finally had a tech talk to me, service manager and service writer all in the same little meeting. I think it makes sense.

If you think about it whats the sense in knowing you have 7000K left??? LOL

I think you are right. My dealer was explaining that to me.

there are three pins in the tank. They measure the range. I am also starting to believe that the pins are only for the last 1000-1200 miles or so.

Anything above the top pin is going to read 100. Once you drop down, it will rapidly start showing a percentage drop.

This is the way the dealer explained it to me.

I finally had a tech talk to me, service manager and service writer all in the same little meeting. I think it makes sense.

If you think about it whats the sense in knowing you have 7000K left??? LOL

My Exhaust Fliud Range 280 came on the DIC. My urea range started going down about 100 miles before that. It now reads 705 miles and my urea level is at about 33%. The range seams to be counting down every mile, but the DIC is counting down alot slower, 100 miles went from 283 to 256.

I had about 2-3k on my urea when I got my Insight. The Urea level always read 100%. Last week in start coming off of 100% and is now around 50-60%. I have 5-6k since my last DEF fill up. The Urea range is still from 950-1050 miles, like it has always been.

I am thinking the Insight is working properly, it is just the truck. Maybe it does not take readings until the tank is close to empty.

tnew, your last paragraph makes a lot of sense and good work milkman finding a dealer who actually seems to know what's going on with the DEF readings.
I've been putting off buying an Edge Insight until this whole issue got figured out and by looking at the info you guys provided, I think it has.
I now feel comfortable purchasing one of these. Thanks guys for your persistence in at least making sense of this issue. :coolnana::thankyou2