What is the best combo to achive 500 rwhp?? (With an Allison)

On diesel only? Are you against nitrous?





Easiest would be a 215hp tuner and a nitrous kit. That should net you mid 500's.

K LETS HEAR THE PROPER RX FOR DIESEL ONLY NOW???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Yeah.. I was thinking Diesel only http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Thanks


LynnEdited by: turbo lcc

No single box will do it but there is several ways to get 500 or somewhat close depending on what you have already to work with.

I will hopfully be buying a new D-Max after the tax returns http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif and I don't want to buy the wrong thing if I want to walk the road to 450-500 rwhp. I was thinking a 215 sealth box and a Hot Juice.


Will that combo put in the 500rwhp range??

QUAD 215, POWER PUP 95HP, HOT JUICE/ATTITUDE, PROPANE

I want to stay away from drugs http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif. Edited by: turbo lcc

JUST A HIT WONT HURThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Edge/215 will get at least close. Seems to depend on what version of the Juice you have. Some seem to have more timing than others, and I have no explanation for this.





If you guys ever huff a little oxygen you will neer look back.


The other RX for 500+ will be our tuner and our turbo.

Is there a more recommended box to stack with the 215 other than the edge box?

I like the Smartbox E with a custom program, but I am in the minority. I have reasons but what would I know?

I second the Smart box E but unfortunately almost everyone already has an Edge box so that is what get's used.

I have the big smart box e, tuned by Quad. What numbers have you guys been getting when stacked with 215 stealth and a fuel pressure box?

Quad, care to take a stab @ possible dyno #s from your 110 stealth,hot juice/***. and duramaximizer on #2 ??? I think this is where I am headed once Ally is beefedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I think someone tried a similar combo and netted somewhere in the 425-450 range or so. I have learned that no matter what you try on one truck it is different on another.





I have seen over 500 on #2 with the Big E and the Big Tuner.

I like the Smartbox E with a custom program, but I am in the minority. I have reasons but what would I know?


Which Custom Program ????????????


Lemme know if you would..........





Thanks,





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I think someone tried a similar combo and netted somewhere in the 425-450 range or so. I have learned that no matter what you try on one truck it is different on another.





I have seen over 500 on #2 with the Big E and the Big Tuner.





On a stock tranny, well worn stock tranny I put down 442 RWHP.....


Quad 215HP /VA 230HP stack........No pressure Box IIRC........





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Hmm...


May I interject one thought here?


Depending on whether or not he finds an LB7 that he wants, he may not have many choices to begin with on an LLY.


I know the programmer folks are working on them, but as of right now I don't know anyone who's got LLY compatible stuff. I know that Edge, my preferred upgrade solution (I'm not looking for that much more power), is still working on theirs.

Hmm...


May I interject one thought here?


Depending on whether or not he finds an LB7 that he wants, he may not have many choices to begin with on an LLY.


I know the programmer folks are working on them, but as of right now I don't know anyone who's got LLY compatible stuff. I know that Edge, my preferred upgrade solution (I'm not looking for that much more power), is still working on theirs.








It won't be as long as you think, although we are not planning anything extreme to sale this time. Right now Lb7's are much easier to find than an LLY.

Hmm...


May I interject one thought here?


Depending on whether or not he finds an LB7 that he wants, he may not have many choices to begin with on an LLY.


I know the programmer folks are working on them, but as of right now I don't know anyone who's got LLY compatible stuff. I know that Edge, my preferred upgrade solution (I'm not looking for that much more power), is still working on theirs.








It won't be as long as you think, although we are not planning anything extreme to sale this time. Right now Lb7's are much easier to find than an LLY.





Well what I was thinking was he'd said after tax time. Depending on how long that is, there might not be many new LB7's left.


I haven't got a clue what the development time frame is for the "magic" you guys do, but I suspect it takes quite a bit of work. Seems like I've seen you post something about LLY development, and TTS has posted something about it, Edge hasn't really said anything other than they are working on it. So since he was talking about your setup and Edge's setup, I just wondered if he'd considered that possible problem in his schedule......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I totally missed the tax time part! I think that definately by then we better have these things in peoples hands or we might get lynched! I already have people coming by the shop begging!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





I think they will be a fun truck, we will jsut have to see what they are capable of.








Quad

Zeeb, yeah I guess I was figuring that it would be an LLY. So the chips on the market now will not work on the LLY motor???

Zeeb, yeah I guess I was figuring that it would be an LLY. So the chips on the market now will not work on the LLY motor???











That's about the size of it. There are substantial changes to the ECM for the LLY. It's only about 1/3 the physical size of the LB7's, but it's probably got three times the processing power (variation of Moore's Law), and no doubt different software. Plus, I don't know if the performance guys deal with the TCM or how it interacts, but there are some changes to the Allison that only work with the 8.1 gasser and the LLY, not the LB7, so that's got to be a programming change as well.


Quad could probably tell you much more about it than I can.

<DIV>as for the 500hp club i would say you need a 155power pup stacked 150 smartbox E, as well a 5lb lift pump put under a suncoast tranny two level upgrade or better, matched with a intake and exhaust mod should put you in the low 13teens or high 12 second quatermile times with a crew cab duramax.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif</DIV>

fred you promised tokeep me posted!lets here it!

My truck dynoed at scheid with a 215 qaud box and thanks to CP Mac for letting me borrow one of his Van Aaken's it dynoed 500+hp and 1000+torque with an ATS tranny. But it did go into limp mode also.

BLACK JET, HOW DO YOU LIKE THE ATS TRANNY?? SATISFIED OR NOT?

Would somebody please explain to me how stacking actually works? I understand the difference between a pressure control device and a timing device,this makes sense to me. I do not understand how stacking two timing devices works? Why can't you just make one module do the same thing as two stacked? Or is this just what you do when you have a spare module on the bench.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

<DIV>fred you promised tokeep me posted!lets here it!"</DIV>
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<DIV>i will bud., just been working my little ass off lately, should have a great breakdown in a week or so, bd is sending me a coulple of different custom tunes to try in a stack as well, fun fun funhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif</DIV>

call me on those custom tunes theree is one item you want for sure that they did for me recently....jess

ok i will bite. what is a 110hp va smartbox e and what is a 155hp powerpup downloader and what do you mean by stacked. i also have a 02 duramax and would like to make it go faster. please explane in terms i can understand. just recently started reading posts here and don't understand all your terminalogy. thanks

stacked is using two boxes or programmers at the same time and spells death to a stock allison......most of the time its a programmer like the quad stacked with a can bus type box like the juice...........each have their advantages when used together(stacked) larger hp occurs but not a true combined total IE a 215 quad and a 145 edge does not give 360 additional rwhp over stock....there are some other issues such as EGTs, timing, and drivablilty along with the destruction of the allison........daveEdited by: sdaver

thanks for the schooling super dave. for someone like me, just starting out and wanting to keep his truck streetable and don't want to hurt his tranny. whats the best bang for my buck and where should i start to begin adding some power to my truck?

Edge seems to have it...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif But from my own prespective, it seems like it is starting to cause the damage to the allison. But then again it could very well be the transmission of the data that I have read from here into my brain thats the real problem. Too much juice, to often. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

thanks easymoney. how long have you been using the juice, how fast is your truck and what kind of tranny problems are you experencing for real? your truck is just like mine except mine is an 02.

I have been using juice for a about two month's. I have ran a 14.6 in the 1/4 mi. I have "limped" my tranny three times. I have a heavy foot and disregaurded the suggestion's/instruction's about going easy on the juice for a few day's. I was enticed by my inlaw who is a Ford man. He drives a Stang, and a Ford Lighting. We hooked up the juice and I couldnt resist level 5.
In the next few weeks, I am having my tranny upgraded with a TransGo kit, and a converter being designed and built at Hughes Prefomance Transmission here in Phoenix. Till then, I run a level 2. Will keep you posted after upgrade which should be interesting as Hughes introduces a converter into the market.

I have the juice on my truck for two years now. I had one of the early boxes on my 01 and have since updated it to the juice/attitude combo. I ran it on the 90 HP every day and now run it at the 125 HP setting. Ill just say that nothing that i lined up against has ever come close to beating me, and i have raced cars like BMW's, Stangs, Mercedes, Cadilacs and other truckshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif. Nothing yet has given me a good run. I drive my truck like i stole most often and have never had my tranny limp or even hint of slipping. The juice is the way to go.

thanks guys. it must be a thrill to drive around in a 14 second truck. well that does it. iam saving up for a juice box. do you have the 125 or the 145. i replaced my air filter last sat. with a k&amp;n. do i need to go with a bigger exhaust? i wonder if they are any trany shops in memphis that know how to upgrade an allison.

The EGTs get fairly hot at those power levels. I would modify the exhaust before beating on it at level 5.

easymon4u did you run that 14.6 1/4 mile with just a juice??

dbloyd,
If you want a "little extra" power & do not want to worry about replacing/rebuilding the allison, I would suggest getting the 110hp tuner from Quad. I have has one on my truck for 15K miles so far running the 110hp tune (level 4). No problems & NO codes/limp modes on the enigine/xmsn so far. I also drive it pretty hard. It's used as a daily driver in traffic & on the interstate. Plenty of power to jump out onto the roads & can sure make the average stang/riceburner/etc look around & move over.

Of course I have wanted to upgrade to the 135 or larger quad box, but I am afraid that "if I have it I will use it" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif & I don't want to worry about tranny upgrades for a while.

If you want to keep the stock allison safe, you might take a look at the 110 tuner . . . .

C ya,
PDS

easymon4u did you run that 14.6 1/4 mile with just a juice??
Juice/Attitude, K&amp;N, and Straight Piped. Level 5, max carb, no defuel on shifts on my 285's AT tires, with my 2WH Drive. I am hoping to break into the 13Sec once I upgrade my tranny. If not then I will stack with Quadzilla. I just have an urge to kill one of those Ford Lighting's and Stangs so I can have sticker on my back glass. Something like, "GOT SVT" one a day make's Duramax Stronger. Edited by: easymon4u

sounds like you got a plan. what juice model you get, 90,125 or145? is your egt not running hot with just a stright pipe or do you have a 4" pipe?

I have the 125, and as for the egt, it only climbs to the 1300-1375 range when I am all the way in it just about the 1000' mark on the 1/4. cant really give you a for sure on that. I have my eyes straight ahead, if you know what I mean. Under normal driving conditions it in the high 400 to low 500. On a 6% grade at 75 it gets to 600 650 no load on juice level 5.
It really is a big difference. I would like to compare a different tuner at the track but don't know anyone in my area that has one. I like what is being said about the Quadzilla, and hope to get one very soon.

So I could run mid 14s with just an air filter and a Juice http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Man that sounds awesome.. and the Juice alone will not kill the tranny?

Turbo Lcc: The QUAD will give you RPM's. RPM's are a stock-tranys best friend.

thanks easymoney, you have helped me make my choice. iam going to go with a juice /*** and a 4" exhaust.

Let us all know how it works out.