I am going to order me a new truck, and I was thinking of waiting till April when I can order a 2012. My hopes are, I can get an LTZ comparable to the Denali with the Cooled seats and 5.1 Audio system. Anyone hear if any changes are going to be made.

If not, looks like I might go the GMC route. Like the Chevy more though.

I'm going to order a new dually late 2011 to get a 2012. Hopefully there's an interior update. Apparently there's a full overhaul 2014. I'm happy as can be knowing they finally have a strong frame.

so a completely new body style with the updated frame and drivetrain comes out in 2014?

so a completely new body style with the updated frame and drivetrain comes out in 2014?

Apparently that's the next stage in emissions so it's kind of the reason they will redo it. Frame maybe not, but engine.

so a completely new body style with the updated frame and drivetrain comes out in 2014?

All indications are that this is the case. I'm planning to buy a 2012 Denali HD for myself, given that I'll need another vehicle (have a new driver in the family)... I'm going to the Houston Auto Show this weekend to try to verify any of the information we are discussing here, but am not sure how much I'll be able to get out of the GM reps there, or how much exactly they will know...

so a completely new body style with the updated frame and drivetrain comes out in 2014?

updated frame?!???? They just redesigned the entire frame less than a year ago!!

Well hope by 2014 they get somthing besides the DEF for us hope someone comes with the dry urea brick that just burns slowly and get replaced once a year by service tech

Per my above post, I went to the Houston Auto Show today, and just as expected, I was thoroughly disappointed with the GMC reps on hand. I have come to understand/believe that the internet age has placed folks like the many who frequent this forum ahead of the yo-yos they staff these shows with, and the sales people in the dealerships. In some cases, they may know the answers to the questions, but are not advised to answer them accordingly, lest they hurt sales of the current model. I had two questions:

1. The total redesign will happen what year?
2. Any news on any additional colors that might be offered on the Denail HD next year?

I expected them to know the answer to number 1, but not 2. The first guy I spoke with said that they are redesigning the vehicle for the 2012 year... Really now?... Right after they just introduced the Denali and redesigned the frame? I don't think so. A second guy came and corrected him, and said he had been told that it would happen in the 2013 year, labeled as a 2014 model. This is much more plausible, fits with all intelligence from internet sources, and hits the normal span for a model that GM uses. The first guy told me that they had been using the current sheet metal since 2005; I said, you mean since the middle of 2007, right? He said "maybe".
I didn't expect them to have the answer to the second question, but gave it a try anyway.

What a glutton for punishment I am...

My prediction is(and it's not just a wild guess).....new body style, interior, and engine/drivetrain released late-2013 as a 2014 model.

All indications are that this is the case. I'm planning to buy a 2012 Denali HD for myself, given that I'll need another vehicle (have a new driver in the family)... I'm going to the Houston Auto Show this weekend to try to verify any of the information we are discussing here, but am not sure how much I'll be able to get out of the GM reps there, or how much exactly they will know...

My prediction is(and it's not just a wild guess).....new body style, interior, and engine/drivetrain released late-2013 as a 2014 model.

I agree with you. Just don't go asking those who should know; it will make you mad. We should not know more than those who are agents for the factory...

I agree with you. Just don't go asking those who should know; it will make you mad. We should not know more than those who are agents for the factory...

Agreed.....I've learned that long ago, and it goes for many things. I can learn a lot more on the internet vs. asking people who work for the certain company/store I'm going to.

Any word if Chevy is getting the "scottsdale" edition?
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/12/sources-say-chevrolet-considering-new-high-end-silverado-model.html

Any word if Chevy is getting the "scottsdale" edition?
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/12/sources-say-chevrolet-considering-new-high-end-silverado-model.html

I hope so......and wouldn't be surprised at all if they did(since they have the Denali). Can you imagine a Chevy with cooled seats, color-matched bumpers, etc................:drool::drool::drool:

yeah what an idea. lol I'm kinda confused, wasn't the "scottsdale" the lower model and the cheyenne the high end? I know I'm showing my age with this one. lol

It was (lowest first), custom (or custom deluxe), cheyenne, silverado. Silverado was the highest trim level.

Apparently that's the next stage in emissions so it's kind of the reason they will redo it. Frame maybe not, but engine.


There is no "next stage" of emissions. DEF (SCR) is here to stay, and considering the alternative which is pumping massive amounts of EGR back into the motor, I'd be happy with DEF (SCR)

The standards that are in place for on-highway engines will be mandated to marine/agriculture/construction engines or off-highway engines as they call it, in 2014.

There is no "next stage" of emissions. DEF (SCR) is here to stay, and considering the alternative which is pumping massive amounts of EGR back into the motor, I'd be happy with DEF (SCR)

The standards that are in place for on-highway engines will be mandated to marine/agriculture/construction engines or off-highway engines as they call it, in 2014.

He means the next requirement for emissions is in 2014. ie. that's when they will get more strict. I don't know if it's true or not, but I think that's what he means. I agree that I think they will keep the DEF for a while.

The only other "significant" changes I can see being made to the GMT-900 HD's (before they reach the end of their lifecycle and are retired in 2013/2014) is making side-impact/side-curtain airbags standard on the HD's. Right now they are optional, and not available at all if you get the cooled seats. (Which is unacceptable and doesnt make sense IMO)

Im not saying thats going to happen for sure, but if I had to make a wild educated guess, thats probably the only "big" change we will see for the 2012/2013/2014 model year...maybe some exterior color changes too.

Ben

yeah what an idea. lol I'm kinda confused, wasn't the "scottsdale" the lower model and the cheyenne the high end? I know I'm showing my age with this one. lol



i thought that cheyenne was lowest, scottsdale was middle and silverado was highest

He means the next requirement for emissions is in 2014. ie. that's when they will get more strict. I don't know if it's true or not, but I think that's what he means. I agree that I think they will keep the DEF for a while.

Yeah it's the next stage of CAFE requirements so the trucks are said to shed around 500lbs. I'm not sure if anything else is needed on the end of the exhaust system to clean it more, but yeah 2014 is the redesign. I wish they updated the interior, ford has much nicer finishes in the 2011 models.

Yeah it's the next stage of CAFE requirements so the trucks are said to shed around 500lbs. I'm not sure if anything else is needed on the end of the exhaust system to clean it more, but yeah 2014 is the redesign. I wish they updated the interior, ford has much nicer finishes in the 2011 models.

Oh yeah.....I forgot all about that article. So yeah, it basically confirms that 2014 will be the next model since they need to shed that much weight.

There is no way the HD's will lose 500lbs with the next body style.

Obviously they arent going to lighten the frame/chassis, and I highly doubt they can take 500lbs out of the body while maintaining a strong crash/roof structure.......

ben

There is no way the HD's will lose 500lbs with the next body style.

Obviously they arent going to lighten the frame/chassis, and I highly doubt they can take 500lbs out of the body while maintaining a strong crash/roof structure.......

ben

Is it possible to put lighter sheetmetal? LOL

Isn't ford going to aluminum beds on their next generation?

Seems like i remember the salesman telling me the lml has an aluminum tailgate now.

Seems like i remember the salesman telling me the lml has an aluminum tailgate now.

Im pretty sure its still steel like its always been. Maybe the salesman thinks its aluminum "because it feels light" [which in reality is due to the e-z-lift spring that most of the trucks have integrated into the tailgate]

I could see the interior being freshened up, it is really the only point that gets cosistently picked on, kind of like the Corvette's seats. Well, then again Chevrolet hasn't done anything about those seats.....

I too would like to see the cooled seats from the Denali in the Chevrolet trucks.

I Hate the Sales guy said thing :~( They don't Know sheet and they are sellin them!!!

I had one sales guy tell me the other day that they still had the steel gray color LOL

I said no they don't! they have stealth gray and steel green ,Green gray i think its called for the GMC brand.... I learn more about the trucks here than most of the "Sales guys" know LOL

In typical GM fashion, GM will start "decontenting" the trucks over a period of time. You will start to see things like the lit vanity mirrors disappear as well as other minor things like courtesy lights. Just like they did with the GMT-800's....

updated frame?!???? They just redesigned the entire frame less than a year ago!!

WITH THE UPDATED FRAME AND DRIVETRAIN... as in the current one, not sure what you missed there

WITH THE UPDATED FRAME AND DRIVETRAIN... as in the current one, not sure what you missed there

Yes, I did miss that...I glossed over the "THE" in your post. Sorry about that. :o:

ben

i thought that cheyenne was lowest, scottsdale was middle and silverado was highest

It seems that much of the confusion is coming from the fact that people have forgotten that back in the mid 70s, when the Silverado model became the top of the line trim level, GM trucks had FOUR trim levels, not three.

The base level trim was Custom Deluxe (Chevy)/Sierra (GMC).

First level upgraded trim (upgraded seat and color-matched rubber floor mat) was Cheyenne/Sierra Grande.

Second level upgraded trim (mid-level instrument panel trim and carpeted floor & lower doors) was Scottsdale/High Sierra.

Premium level trim (premium IP trim, full door trim panels, and cloth headliner) was Silverado/Sierra Classic.

^^^You're old......:)

It seems that much of the confusion is coming from the fact that people have forgotten that back in the mid 70s, when the Silverado model became the top of the line trim level, GM trucks had FOUR trim levels, not three.

The base level trim was Custom Deluxe (Chevy)/Sierra (GMC).

First level upgraded trim (upgraded seat and color-matched rubber floor mat) was Cheyenne/Sierra Grande.

Second level upgraded trim (mid-level instrument panel trim and carpeted floor & lower doors) was Scottsdale/High Sierra.

Premium level trim (premium IP trim, full door trim panels, and cloth headliner) was Silverado/Sierra Classic.


yea i forgot about the custom deluxe. growing up we always had the scottsdale

^^^You're old......:)

You're right. ;):D

You're right. ;):D


):h

2014 for the redesign really? 7 years with the same damn body style

So even if I wanted a new truck my 2007 is going to look basically the same as a 2013. Great so now Im stuck with this truck for another 2 years and thats IF I even like the new body style.

2014 for the redesign really? 7 years with the same damn body style

So even if I wanted a new truck my 2007 is going to look basically the same as a 2013. Great so now Im stuck with this truck for another 2 years and thats IF I even like the new body style.

Pretty much. On the other hand, it makes your 07 look newer for longer.

2014 for the redesign really? 7 years with the same damn body style

So even if I wanted a new truck my 2007 is going to look basically the same as a 2013. Great so now Im stuck with this truck for another 2 years and thats IF I even like the new body style.

The GMT-800's had "the same damn body style" for ~8 years...are you forgetting that?

The GMT-800's had "the same damn body style" for ~8 years...are you forgetting that?

No, but I wasnt into trucks then and I was 16 in 96 so I could careless about the 800s

No, but I wasnt into trucks then and I was 16 in 96 so I could careless about the 800s

Dude the 800 is from 2000-early 2007.

Dude the 800 is from 2000-early 2007.


oops you are right, duh!!!

I only liked 03+ anyways anything older than that just doesnt appeal to me. I think thats why it took me so long to get into trucks. No company had one out that looked good to me at the time.

No, but I wasnt into trucks then and I was 16 in 96 so I could careless about the 800s

What does you being 16 in 1996 have to do with anything? The GMT-800's didnt come out until you were almost 20. :rolleyes:

5 pages and the bottom line is no one knows what is coming for 2012. My guess? Not much, with new trucks coming in late 2013 as 2014 models. I have heard unsubstantiated rumors that we may see a new gas engine in the last year of the GMT-900. Maybe.

5 pages and the bottom line is no one knows what is coming for 2012. My guess? Not much, with new trucks coming in late 2013 as 2014 models. I have heard unsubstantiated rumors that we may see a new gas engine in the last year of the GMT-900. Maybe.

I highly doubt it. The GMT-900 program is done and at this point GM is just letting it coast into retirement. They already started work years ago on the next full-size SUV/truck platform and from a cost/reality standpoint, there is no reason for them to revise/revisit the GMT-900 program for ANY reason.

ben

I wouldn't say any reason. Any future changes will be tied to warranty fixes and/or any new government regulations.

Going back a few years, you may remember that the final year of the '73-'87 body style did get the TBI engines of the 1988 GMT-400's. Of course, the Blazer/Jimmy, Crew Cabs, and some chassis-cab models continued to '91, but GM still made a major revision to an old platform.

I wouldn't say any reason. Any future changes will be tied to warranty fixes and/or any new government regulations.

ahhh good point! I didnt think about that.

2014 for the redesign really? 7 years with the same damn body style

So even if I wanted a new truck my 2007 is going to look basically the same as a 2013. Great so now Im stuck with this truck for another 2 years and thats IF I even like the new body style.


this suprises you the last body styles went damn near ten years..it gets bad when a woman says "really this looks just like your last two" ...shakn head ...i am with you

There is no "next stage" of emissions. DEF (SCR) is here to stay, and considering the alternative which is pumping massive amounts of EGR back into the motor, I'd be happy with DEF (SCR)

The standards that are in place for on-highway engines will be mandated to marine/agriculture/construction engines or off-highway engines as they call it, in 2014.

you do realize that trucks with def do also have egr hey?

you do realize that trucks with def do also have egr hey?

Yes, but I think what he meant was the amount of EGR required to control NOx on a diesel is proportionate to how much SCR is used, if any at all.

IE, to get NOx to an acceptable level on a diesel, by the EPA's standards you have to either:

1. Use a CRAPLOAD of EGR and no SCR/urea injection

2. Use a lot less EGR, and use SCR/urea injection

Ford/GM chose option 1. Dodge/cummins is choosing option 2. I think in the long run, once the SCR/DEF issues are refined, SCR is the way to go. We all know what massive amounts of EGR does to diesels and the intake tract/plumbing...

Ben

I heard that GM is not going to change the body style, rather GM is going to buy 1/2 of all the new F250/F350 from Ford but only as a rolling chassis. Then GM is going to install Duramax/Allison combs in these trucks. That way it will keep the other half that brought the "real" Fords wondering why some trucks are just so damn fast! But... It could only be a rumor!;)

I think they already wonder why a chevy dynos less but still out runs them.

I think they already wonder why a chevy dynos less but still out runs them.

Ford knows why. They have to torque limits 1st and 2nd gear because they only run a 10.5" rear axle. Ford may put out 800 ft-lbs but they can't put it to the ground.

Super Duty's weigh too much too.

dealer friend stopped by last night, she said minor upgrades of stuff if any for 2012.... only one really to note is Urea tank will get a skid plate or skid plate option...... they just had a truck training in the Philadelphia area....

dealer friend stopped by last night, she said minor upgrades of stuff if any for 2012.... only one really to note is Urea tank will get a skid plate or skid plate option...... they just had a truck training in the Philadelphia area....

I see gm taking this route until the full re-do. Logical minor updates but there's no sense spending money on the last of a generation. Kind of sucks, I'm looking to buy a new Chev ltz dually. Oh well.

I am hoping i can hold out till 2015 :) I am sure i can, and then if its worth it.......get a new one......... will have to see where the world/fuel/economics takes us by then........

I am hoping i can hold out till 2015 :) I am sure i can, and then if its worth it.......get a new one......... will have to see where the world/fuel/economics takes us by then........Better hurry... Sale ends Dec 22 2012!

Let's hope the redesign includes a larger cab! I would LOVE a mega cab option like the Dodge has. I carry guys ranging in height from 5' 6" to 6' 7" in my truck when headed to races and shows, and it can get uncomfortable with the taller guys. I'm gonna pass on the first year model of tue change so I don't end up with another widespread DEF issue.