I just heard H&S has some tunes and deletes just not released

STRAIGHT FROM H&S PERFORMANCE

video jus released from H&S performance with their mini maxx tunner on a LML test truck with the SCR / DPF / DOC deleted and turned OFF. The truck is currently running about a 50 HP tune so there is still plenty of power to be made. All tuning is done with our Mini Maxx tuner directly through the OBD-II port.

YouTube - H&S Performance 2011 6.6L LML Duramax Straight Pipe

Nice Find Holton

You're not there yet. The tune needs a lot of work.

Well thats a start but like mike said that tune needs lots of work.
Tim Adams

You're not there yet. The tune needs a lot of work.


LOL??? This guy here man... Why do you say that?

I've never seen a 50 hp tune smoke like that. Did you catch the nasty hesitation on the 1-2 shift. Thought the engine was going to die. I'm not making fun of it, but I sure wouldn't be showing that if I were the tuner. I would show it when it was finished. Nice and refined.

I here that Mike

Well I hope George has been doing his homework like I know Mike has been looks like its getting closer to limp mode!!!!

this is a complete farse IMO.. this truck made lots of smoke yet struggled to turn the skins ??

They used a 3 inch pipe... ??

CRAP !

I'm not a pro but something isn't right with this

Go ahead and bitch and gog on H&S all you want guys. They have a good tuner for the 6.7 powerstroke and propbably the best for the 6.7 cummins. They are always ahead of the pack as far as getting products out on the street. However I do believe they use the general public a bit too much as a test bed. They usually put together complete egr deletes as well. I am just optomistic for them, bullydog, and EFI. I would love an EFI tune, bullydog is already out in beta, and now H&S is making headway. I am just proud to say that, very soon my denali will be breathin easy and I will no longer be peeing down the tailpipe.

I've never seen a 50 hp tune smoke like that. Did you catch the nasty hesitation on the 1-2 shift. Thought the engine was going to die. I'm not making fun of it, but I sure wouldn't be showing that if I were the tuner. I would show it when it was finished. Nice and refined.

Your dead on mike. looks like just a i got it first deal

YouTube - H&S Performance 2011 6.6L LML Duramax Straight Pipe

Theres a link to the video, I don't know how to imbed on in the message

I didn't know they made a Denali with a standard trans???????:)

-50HP tune....

I went and personally talked to H&S and I walked out after a few minutes of talking to them. They wont be receiving any of my business.

I assume this is mainly designed to be a proof-of-concept (AKA, "We're in the door") video more than anything else?

Oh such naysayers.... We will post some dyno results up when we get some time. Same day, same dyno, Stock VS Tuned. As stated, this is just a teaser video to prove we CAN write tunes to the LML. If this was a final tune, we would be releasing way sooner. The traction control system on this truck is quite elaborate and mostly what is causing the 1-2 defuel. Those 37" tires are slipping all the way through first, and start scrubbing once again when it allows fuel in second. I agree it kind of sounds like a standard trans truck when it slips like this (maybe we have the only one :rolleyes:)

Just remember that this ECU is NOT something that has been done before. We are making headway through the mud and crud every day breaking ground (and I am sure it will make it easier for others to follow). We are still the ONLY ones doing the 6.7 Powerstroke emissions deletes, and likely will be that way for quite some time. We push hard to get way ahead of the game, and are doing the same with the LML software. :D

Who cares, moral of the story is the ECM is cracked, tunable and able to have the DEF/DPF shut off.

I went and personally talked to H&S and I walked out after a few minutes of talking to them. They wont be receiving any of my business.

Care to elaborate?

Who cares, moral of the story is the ECM is cracked, tunable and able to have the DEF/DPF shut off.

Thank you, someone gets the point of the video.....:eek:

I think it is soo funny how all these guys share their negative opinions, yet NONE of them would have ANY idea how to even being to crack the LML ecm.

Thank you, someone gets the point of the video.....:eek:

I might be going out on a limb here.... But how in the hell do you expect anyone to believe you have done this when you used what looks to be exhaust parts from a local auto zone..

aside from unbolting things and piecing the system back together and then removing the MAF what else was done..

Like bullydog has done post some graphs that prove your not a joke.

Because personally that video is a JOKE!

Congrats HS!!!! Cant wait to see a final tune and the true power of the lml.

I might be going out on a limb here.... But how in the hell do you expect anyone to believe you have done this when you used what looks to be exhaust parts from a local auto zone..

aside from unbolting things and piecing the system back together and then removing the MAF what else was done..

Like bullydog has done post some graphs that prove your not a joke.

Because personally that video is a JOKE!


My suggestion would be for you to go crack the LML ecm and post a video and dyno graphs.

I might be going out on a limb here.... But how in the hell do you expect anyone to believe you have done this when you used what looks to be exhaust parts from a local auto zone..

aside from unbolting things and piecing the system back together and then removing the MAF what else was done..

Like bullydog has done post some graphs that prove your not a joke.

Because personally that video is a JOKE!

:rotflmao: Take it or leave it. This is not a video to prove that we build the most amazing exhaust system on the market (did it ever say anything close to that anywhere?). This test pipe was made in about 20 minutes. Sorry, I am just a bit baffled at the remarks right now. This is the ONLY LML running DPF / DEF / DOC deleted. If you think otherwise, find me one, prove it to me. ;)

:rotflmao: Take it or leave it. This is not a video to prove that we build the most amazing exhaust system on the market (did it ever say anything close to that anywere?). This test pipe was made in about 20 minutes. Sorry, I am just a bit baffled at the remarks right now. This is the ONLY LML running DPF / DEF / DOC deleted. If you think otherwise, find me one, prove it to me. ;)


Im baffled also, most people are this site are a bunch of clowns now days.

Oh such naysayers.... We will post some dyno results up when we get some time. Same day, same dyno, Stock VS Tuned. As stated, this is just a teaser video to prove we CAN write tunes to the LML. If this was a final tune, we would be releasing way sooner. The traction control system on this truck is quite elaborate and mostly what is causing the 1-2 defuel. Those 37" tires are slipping all the way through first, and start scrubbing once again when it allows fuel in second. I agree it kind of sounds like a standard trans truck when it slips like this (maybe we have the only one :rolleyes:)

Just remember that this ECU is NOT something that has been done before. We are making headway through the mud and crud every day breaking ground (and I am sure it will make it easier for others to follow). We are still the ONLY ones doing the 6.7 Powerstroke emissions deletes, and likely will be that way for quite some time. We push hard to get way ahead of the game, and are doing the same with the LML software. :D

most people would dissable the traction control in a video like this. This was nothing more than to show smoke!!

My suggestion would be for you to go crack the LML ecm and post a video and dyno graphs.

Thank you. And not only that, but go ahead and build an Emissions delete capable tune that wont leave you at a 4MPH limp mode down the road... We are paving a road for the LML guys right now, if you have a problem with that I am entirely confused.

We have one goal in mind, provide a product that we know you guys want. I know we are not big in the Duramax crowd, but I can promise we will work our hardest to prove we are a true competitor and here to stay.

most people would dissable the traction control in a video like this. This was nothing more than to show smoke!!

As stated, the traction control system is very elaborate, disabling it with the button on the dash does NOT disable it completely (and no, even holding the button down does not do it). Are you saying we can tune the first ever emissions delete LML, but can't turn off traction control? :cool:

:rotflmao: Take it or leave it. This is not a video to prove that we build the most amazing exhaust system on the market (did it ever say anything close to that anywere?). This test pipe was made in about 20 minutes. Sorry, I am just a bit baffled at the remarks right now. This is the ONLY LML running DPF / DEF / DOC deleted. If you think otherwise, find me one, prove it to me. ;)


Show it in logs then...

If I were trying to showcase something that hasn't been "Done" I would provide the proof and not back stepped when asked for it.

If I were trying to make people believe I had the Answers that the "Top Guns" In the gave is EFI Live, Banks. I would Show people Proof.

I have a LBZ with 150000 Mils with a 60 HP Tune will roast the skins.. Your LML with More Factory HP and TQ and an added 50 Can't??

Can you understand the confusion here ??

And if you were as professional as you want people to believe... You would never of Shown an exhaust like that... Shit even a prototype would of been 4 inch.

Moved to Fifth Generation Duramax Electronics.

Everybody take a deep breath here and keep the conversation civilized, please.

Thank you. And not only that, but go ahead and build an Emissions delete capable tune that wont leave you at a 4MPH limp mode down the road... We are paving a road for the LML guys right now, if you have a problem with that I am entirely confused.

We have one goal in mind, provide a product that we know you guys want. I know we are not big in the Duramax crowd, but I can promise we will work our hardest to prove we are a true competitor and here to stay.
Good to see h&s crack the lml good job

I've never seen a 50 hp tune smoke like that. Did you catch the nasty hesitation on the 1-2 shift. Thought the engine was going to die. I'm not making fun of it, but I sure wouldn't be showing that if I were the tuner. I would show it when it was finished. Nice and refined.

Come on, really? You are saying if you were the first tune LML in the world, you wouldn't post a video? Then all the naysayers can say "prove it, put a video up". Oh, then you get to deal with the guys "That is not tuned, it doesn't even smoke". So we simply took two steps ahead, and posted a video that took care those naysayers.

That means your solution would be to say nothing, until the product is released? I guess we could take that route, but we like to inform our consumers of upcoming products. That way they can follow us throughout the development process and make an informed decision if the product we supply will suit their needs.

POst a Before and After Dyno Pull..

Prove it

Your wanting people to believe you have done something that the biggest in the game haven't done.. thats the issue

Show it in logs then...

If I were trying to showcase something that hasn't been "Done" I would provide the proof and not back stepped when asked for it.

If I were trying to make people believe I had the Answers that the "Top Guns" In the gave is EFI Live, Banks. I would Show people Proof.

I have a LBZ with 150000 Mils with a 60 HP Tune will roast the skins.. Your LML with More Factory HP and TQ and an added 50 Can't??

Can you understand the confusion here ??

And if you were as professional as you want people to believe... You would never of Shown an exhaust like that... Shit even a prototype would of been 4 inch.

You are missing the entire point. Take a deep breath quick. This video is proof that we can tune the LML, and by driving it, I can guarantee it is at leat 50hp over stock, if not more (I have loaded numerous tunes during testing, and have yet to dyno many of them). Roasting tires may be your way of showing power, but in a scientific world it means nothing. I will be glad to throw the truck on the dyno when we get a chance.

oh, p.s. The exhaust is 4".

POst a Before and After Dyno Pull..

Prove it

Your wanting people to believe you have done something that the biggest in the game haven't done.. thats the issue

I don't understand the negativity here? Really? In due time you will see dyno charts, more videos, customers running my product, etc. You think I come on here with a fake video? With what motive? To sell a product that I cannot supply? Now that just makes no sense.....

Just because someone "big" hasn't done it, means that I can't do it? This industry is WAY too big to believe that there is only one solution to any given situation. In no way am I down talking ANY of the competition. They all do a great job, but fact is, we are the first to have an emissions deleted LML. Take it or leave it.

You are missing the entire point. Take a deep breath quick. This video is proof that we can tune the LML, and by driving it, I can dang well guarantee it is at leat 50hp over stock, if not more. Roasting tires may be your way of showing power, but in a scientific world it means nothing. I will be glad to throw the truck on the dyno when we get a chance.

oh, p.s. The exhaust is 4".

I never said it was a scientific way of showing power.. I'm stating a point..

I have a Bonneville GXP in the yard... UN Crackable PCM.... I had a company offer transportation to "Crack" and Program the PCM.. Not happening, this ECM re writes it self over and over to stock parameters..

They said it had been done when I asked for proof, they acted like you are... We did it thats that !!

Show the proof on how you did this only throught the OBD II port !!

Well let me be the first to say "Welcome" to HS Performance glad to see you here on Dieselplace. I'm glad to see you have cracked the LML ECM and look foward to you updating us on your progress. I'm sure your best tuning for the LML is yet to come and understand you have to start some where. Good luck!
Tim Adams

i dont understand what all the s**t talk is about. tthese guys are just posting their progress. they are a performance shop not a muffler shop. the fact that that thing is smoking as much as it does says something about their progress. besides i dont think a diesel performance shop will brag about a 50 hp tune

I never said it was a scientific way of showing power.. I'm stating a point..

I have a Bonneville GXP in the yard... UN Crackable PCM.... I had a company offer transportation to "Crack" and Program the PCM.. Not happening, this ECM re writes it self over and over to stock parameters..

They said it had been done when I asked for proof, they acted like you are... We did it thats that !!

Show the proof on how you did this only throught the OBD II port !!

Every PCM is crackable. I can promise you that. It is a matter of money and time. Man made it, man can break it.

In my years of internet business, I have found that I can post videos until blue in the face, but some will still not believe. "The video is rigged", "You used a non production ECU", etc., etc. I can link you some of the exact threads of 6.7 Ford guys saying the same things you are right now. I have been selling the 6.7 Powerstroke tuner for over a month now.... no major problems to date, and still the ONLY one doing what we do.

I understand the criticism, I really do. But you have come off a bit more harsh than necessary to get your point across. If you desire, follow us a little bit in the future. You WILL change your thoughts about what is true and what is not.

Thanks!

Bentley

Well let me be the first to say "Welcome" to HS Performance glad to see you here on Dieselplace. I'm glad to see you have cracked the LML ECM and look foward to you updating us on your progress. I'm sure your best tuning for the LML is yet to come and understand you have to start some where. Good luck!
Tim Adams


Thank you. Glad to be here. We at H&S are a group of die hard diesel guys that are here with one goal, Provide what the customer is asking for in the most economical and timely fashion we can.

We have made our place known in the Ford and Cummins world, and are excited to make a groove into the D-max crowd.

POst a Before and After Dyno Pull..

Prove it

Your wanting people to believe you have done something that the biggest in the game haven't done.. thats the issue

I'm sure they will what part of teaser don't you get? What's your beef with h&s? Has efi live done anything yet? No none other then bully dog an h&s bully dog is no deletes they are chill your panties they'll show a video of the dyno I'm sure these guys are awesome to work with as I'm a dealer for them

So H&S, are you guys an all in one unit as in you tune and make the software in house?

Pretty impressive if so. :cool:

Every PCM is crackable. I can promise you that. It is a matter of money and time. Man made it, man can break it.

In my years of internet business, I have that I can post videos until the my face is blue, but some will still not believe. "The video is rigged", "You used a non production ECU", etc., etc. I can link you some of the exact threads of 6.7 Ford guys saying the same things you are right now if you would like. I have been selling the 6.7 Powerstroke tuner for over a month now.... no major problems to date, and still the ONLY one doing what we do.

I understand the criticism, I really do. But you have come off a bit more harsh than necessary to get your point across. If you desire, follow us a little bit in the future. You WILL change your thoughts about what is true and what is not.

Thanks!

Bentley

If im coming across harsh its not the way I am trying to come across..

You just have to watch the video from my seat on my screen !!

Unprofessional Exhaust, Dirty Truck and No Proof !!

See it from my eye's, And you will see where I am coming from....

You are saying you have done something That none of the Big players have done ! Claiming a 50HP tune with nothing to back it up :confused:

I am just being a critic !

If im coming across harsh its not the way I am trying to come across..

You just have to watch the video from my seat on my screen !!

Unprofessional Exhaust, Dirty Truck and No Proof !!

See it from my eye's, And you will see where I am coming from....

You are saying you have done something That none of the Big players have done ! Claiming a 50HP tune with nothing to back it up :confused:

I am just being a critic !


That unprofessional exhaust is of the same grade material that is in use on 99% of the exhaust kits on all diesel trucks. 4" alumized steel. Because we made it easily removable for testing purposes does cheapen it? In your eyes I guess so, but I would rather spend 5 minutes removing the test pipe when I want to, rather than a full 4" turbo back exhaust. We do also provide DPF present tuning, so we often switch back from test pipe to DPF present configuration. You will see proof of this on many of our 6.7 Powerstroke videos.

I don't have to watch the video from anyone's view, I can go out in the shop and start that bad boy up and go for a ride! Then I know what is real and what is not, right while I am sitting in the rather comfy, heated seats of a new Denali with a WILD sounding turbo and exhaust system.

Dirty truck...:rolleyes: Sorry, it snowed yesterday. Wish I could spend all day polishing, but I would rather spend time hacking at the software so that I can get my product out sooner.

Proof - I just uploaded a video to Youtube, if that is not proof enough then I am sorry. When I get some time I will be glad to get an uncut dyno session of (but I would much rather spend that time developing the product, so you may not see any more videos until next week):
1 - stock truck dyno
2 - tuning the truck (yes through the OBDII)
3 - tune truck dyno

Big Player? Who is that? Where do we sign up, we are one of the biggest Offroad tuning companies in the world for the post 2007.5 model year trucks.

All in good fun guys, just wanting to come on here and back up all of our hard work. I had an employee come tell me that you guys were being such negative nancys. Ha.

Looking forward to proving ourselves in your community.

Bentley
H&S Performance

I never said it was a scientific way of showing power.. I'm stating a point..

I have a Bonneville GXP in the yard... UN Crackable PCM.... I had a company offer transportation to "Crack" and Program the PCM.. Not happening, this ECM re writes it self over and over to stock parameters..

They said it had been done when I asked for proof, they acted like you are... We did it thats that !!

Show the proof on how you did this only throught the OBD II port !!

How the hell would they have made it smoke like that if it wasnt "tuned"

Yes, its a rough crappy tune, but really guys, lay off H&S. They are proving that they were the first to tune it and figure out how to disable the DPF/SCR. And for that I applaud them! People were saying this ECM was going to be next to impossible to crack, and they (H&S) did it. How could you guys not be excited about this?

Who cares what the tune is, that wasnt the point of the video. They didnt post the video to show "how fast they can make an LML", they simply posted the video as PROOF that the ECM is not "uncrackable" and they have figured a way around the EDC17's intricacies.

The "hard part" is done; the ECM has been opened. Now just give it time and the GOOD/finalized tunes will come. :)

ben

How the hell would they have made it smoke like that if it wasnt "tuned"

Yes, its a rough crappy tune, but really guys, lay off H&S. They are proving that they were the first to tune it and figure out how to disable the DPF/SCR. And for that I applaud them! People were saying this ECM was going to be next to impossible to crack, and they (H&S) did it. How could you guys not be excited about this?

Who cares what the tune is, that wasnt the point of the video. They didnt post the video to show "how fast they can make an LML", they simply posted the video as PROOF that the ECM is not "uncrackable" and they have figured a way around the EDC17's intricacies.

The "hard part" is done; the ECM has been opened. Now just give it time and the GOOD/finalized tunes will come. :)

ben

Well said.

Unprofessional Exhaust, Dirty Truck and No Proof !! !

The thing smoked like a freight train, WTF other proof do you need? :rolleyes:

Dirty truck, unprofessional exhaust, are you serious???? They arent in the exhaust business and they sure as hell arent in a car washing business...give me a frikkin break.

ben

X2

the thing smoked like a freight train, wtf other proof do you need? :rolleyes:

Dirty truck, unprofessional exhaust, are you serious???? They arent in the exhaust business and they sure as hell arent in a car washing business...give me a frikkin break.

Ben
x3

More proof?

Didnt I just watch a video of a Denali LML with straight pipe exhaust smoking like a freight train?

What more proof do you need?

If it isn't a Banks unit he isn't happy.. :D

Welcome HS performance!

That's awesome that you cracked the new lml. Can't wait to see what you will be coming out with. I for one am happy that someone is making progress to get that emissions junk off.

As a few have stated it's a start and that's all that counts!

What is bank's.......ive heard more bad than good from them plus over priced....give H&S a break is right, they will get it figured out shortly and every company goes through trial and error off the get go.

Defuels the 1-2 shift almost as bad as my 07 :p:

Awesome, now I need to get a new truck and get some miles on it :D By the time I hit 30k yall should have it completely figured out.

Thanks for making progress on this. Do they still use CVNs to track reflashes? Can you make a tuner with BCM changes like traction control removal and seat belt chime removal like the ford tuners?

POst a Before and After Dyno Pull..

Prove it

Your wanting people to believe you have done something that the biggest in the game haven't done.. thats the issue


This guy cracks me up..He must work for another company or something.Get off their a$$,this is a big step for the new dmax.The video made me go from not wanting a new dmax,to just talking the wife into letting me trade her suv in on one.
Good job H&S keep us posted on the progress.

Awesome work H&S, glad to see the LML is crackable!

Care to elaborate?

I think it is soo funny how all these guys share their negative opinions, yet NONE of them would have ANY idea how to even being to crack the LML ecm.

Your right, I have no idea. I have yet to figure out how that relates to the topic?

Anyway, I shouldn't have posted my thoughts because they had nothing to do with the actual topic. H&S, you can PM and I will elaborate, although it's not needed.

Congratulations on cracking the LML and It's nice to see video's instead of just reading about it. Throw some pictures up of that Denali, I'm sure we would all like to see it.

First and foremost.. CONGRATULATIONS H&S!!! I am a small business owner myself, and I FULLY understand the amount of R&D that goes into something like this.... You guys should be proud of what you have done, and CONTINUE to post your updates and progress...

Everyone keeps saying "show me proof"... Dyno graphs are proof are they not??? I have a vette that makes 551hp on the dyno, and I have had my a$$ WAXED by cars with 500.. The proof would say I should be really cocky about how much power I make. however reality is, how the vehicle handles the power is WHAT MATTERS!! The fact it isn't boiling the tires with a 50hp tune, THAT IS A PLUS!! (as long as it will powerbrake! :D)

Furthermore, your negative comments about the exhaust would be like a suspension company showing their product with stock cookie cutter tires.. Sure, it looks like SHIT, but it doesn't take much imagination to see what the new wheels/tires will look like.. Look at the lift, not the exhaust tip!

Also did any of you "haters" wonder WHY it is that banks, efi and all the other "big names" are holding off?? Maybe it is because they are LOST, and/or stuck and they will be able to take what H&S has done, build on it, make it better, tweak a few parameters, and call it a 6 gun! Yes, the 6 gun would be a better product, however H&S still deserves the credit for supplying building blocks for the people who come out in the future, and one up them.. Don't think for a minute they won't have an H&S unit apart on the bench to inspect, and look for ways to innovate what has already been done!

Again.. THANKYOU H&S FOR YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT TO DEVELOPING A PRODUCT FOR THE LML, THAT I FOR ONE REALLY CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IN IT'S FINAL STAGES READY FOR SALE!! Put me on your list as a VERY interested customer!!!!!!

All I have to say is WOW, that's the sound I've been looking for from my new LML...Awesome work H&S, looking forward to a finely tuned finished product!

congrats guys, Is that turbo stock? that sounds sick! I love it.

After seeing H&S's vid on Youtube I had to join over here to see the reactions and I can't believe some of yall guys. I am a loyal H&S customer and have had a great experience with them in the 2 1/2 years I have ran their stuff. I bought their XRT for my 2008 6.7L Cummins right when it came out and it worked like a charm. Since then they have tuned the WEAK 68RFE in the Dodge to hold alot more than it could without tuning. When I bought my 08 6.4L I went right to H&S and got their BlackMaxx. Again it worked flawless. Spartan tried saying that the shift on the fly that H&S offered would be terrible for engine and would not tune the trans correctly. THEY WERE WRONG!!! My truck laid down 590RWHP/1360TQ with the BlackMaxx and their Hot Damn tune. I beat the hell out of that truck and never had a problem and after 10k miles the trans fluid looked like new. H&S is now the leading in tuning for the 6.7L Powerstroke and while I have not tuned my new 6.7 I have read nothing but great things about their tuning for it. This vid is just to show that a LML can be tuned when PPE/EFI Live and others have said it can't that easy. This is just the beginning of what they can do for the LML crowd. I have been thing about trading for a LML since my Ford dealer is no longer mod friendly and I can promise you that when it is all said and done H&S will make more than enough safe power for the LML engine and enough to kill that little girl named Allison. Before anyone says that I'm just a Ford guy I have had 9 Dodges and 3 Duramax's since 2000 and haved tuned them all. Yall take care!:)

Come on, really? You are saying if you were the first tune LML in the world, you wouldn't post a video? Then all the naysayers can say "prove it, put a video up". Oh, then you get to deal with the guys "That is not tuned, it doesn't even smoke". So we simply took two steps ahead, and posted a video that took care those naysayers.

That means your solution would be to say nothing, until the product is released? I guess we could take that route, but we like to inform our consumers of upcoming products. That way they can follow us throughout the development process and make an informed decision if the product we supply will suit their needs.

That would be like me building a new trans and taking a video of it limping and being towed back.
No doubt there are problems in the begining with any new technical adventure. Not a good idea to show failures as you have and think it will turn on people. Once again I state I am not bashing you; only your thinking.
I also think your days are numbered as the feds are getting involved now partialy because of the smoke that has been glorified. Your video was stupid showing the smoke. If this smoking does not stop there will be more laws, more rules and the diesel sport will be done. Word is out that new laws that will be passed shortly will be a 2,000.00 fine plus the cost of repair.
The economy is bad for the cities and they need money desperatly for the retirement funds they promised with our money. Removing the smog stuff is a mistake. Start rethinking what you sell. They are watching these threads and they are coming.

That would be like me building a new trans and taking a video of it limping and being towed back.
No doubt there are problems in the begining with any new technical adventure. Not a good idea to show failures as you have and think it will turn on people. Once again I state I am not bashing you; only your thinking.
I also think your days are numbered as the feds are getting involved now partialy because of the smoke that has been glorified. Your video was stupid showing the smoke. If this smoking does not stop there will be more laws, more rules and the diesel sport will be done. Word is out that new laws that will be passed shortly will be a 2,000.00 fine plus the cost of repair.
The economy is bad for the cities and they need money desperatly for the retirement funds they promised with our money. Removing the smog stuff is a mistake. Start rethinking what you sell. They are watching these threads and they are coming.
I know 3 cops here in Abilene that drive tuned diesels. Texas does'nt care but I guess smog filled bankrupt Cali does.

I know 3 cops here in Abilene that drive tuned diesels. Texas does'nt care but I guess smog filled bankrupt Cali does.

Not talking about your local police. I said the feds are coming. Believe it or not. When the local cities find out how much their take is from the fine, look out. Abilene will fall into place when they see the money.

HS, congrats. I think you did the right thing by posting the video. Shows there is hope. As someone said before, you are not a muffler shop or a detail shop, you are a performance shop. My MBRP exhaust is rusty as hell right now and my truck is dirty, but it still gets out when I hit it. Exotix Transport is a relatively new member and is a little excitable. He will figure it out. I do not understand why he cares so much when his pride and joy is 10 years from this technology, but oh well. As for Mike L., blah, blah,blah. People are always going to break emission laws no matter what, nothing we can do about it. Many peope on this site probably put their emissions systems back on to get tested and then take the sysytems back off the next day. I look forward to getting a Denali HD in the next year or two, and hopefully you will be able to make it sound and run as well as my others. Carry on, everyone is going to come around. Maybe when you are all dialed in and ready for public sales, you could repost a video with a fancy tailpipe and a clay bar wax, and let us know what kind of hp/tq increase that made.:D

congrats guys, great work!!

Congrats H&S... Might go order my new LML tomorrow....


Mike is to colse to disneyland to blow smoke...... that stuff causes Cancer in California havent you herd?

That would be like me building a new trans and taking a video of it limping and being towed back.
No doubt there are problems in the begining with any new technical adventure. Not a good idea to show failures as you have and think it will turn on people. Once again I state I am not bashing you; only your thinking.
I also think your days are numbered as the feds are getting involved now partialy because of the smoke that has been glorified. Your video was stupid showing the smoke. If this smoking does not stop there will be more laws, more rules and the diesel sport will be done. Word is out that new laws that will be passed shortly will be a 2,000.00 fine plus the cost of repair.
The economy is bad for the cities and they need money desperatly for the retirement funds they promised with our money. Removing the smog stuff is a mistake. Start rethinking what you sell. They are watching these threads and they are coming.

Agree to disagree? I think you may have missed the point as well, but thanks for the advice anyway (or bashing my thinking).

Thanks to all the rest of you for the kinds words. This is an exciting time for the LML owners. This "un-tunable" ECU is being hacked at daily and is losing a battle to some very dedicated guys.

We will keep you guys posted as new info comes forth and tuning nears release.

Bentley
H&S Performance

Great Job H&S!!! as an LML owner myself, I can tell you I will buy your tuner the day it becomes available!!!!

keep up the hard work!!!

Isnt Mike L's business based on building stout Allison transmissions??

So he is in here telling tuners to find a new job??? Mike arnt these the same guys who make the motor have big power, then blow up the trans and keep you in business for a performance rebuild? Seems like you would want these people to succeed as the business cycle is full circle.

Does that make sense?

Interesting Wreed, very valid point.

1-Tuning company spends mega time to crack LML and remove emissions.
2-Tuning company then shows video, just to reassure all of us that it can be done.
3-Tuning company then clearly states that it is just early stages, and that much work is to be done still.
4-50% of the forum flames the tuner because they have not got the tune 100% yet, and because they tried to keep R/D costs down by not developing a 10" chrome dual exhaust for their test truck.....

Whatever...... Flamers- find something better to do. These guys have been working hard at this for quite some time, and all you can do is flame them over something that you know nothing about. You are all acting like this is their finished product, and that H&S is FORCING you to buy it...

Isnt Mike L's business based on building stout Allison transmissions??

So he is in here telling tuners to find a new job??? Mike arnt these the same guys who make the motor have big power, then blow up the trans and keep you in business for a performance rebuild? Seems like you would want these people to succeed as the business cycle is full circle.

Does that make sense?


I'm not bashing either side, but I can see both. I'm not going to speak for Mike L, he's very capable of that. But it would be nice, to show tuning that doesn't smoke, but has the power. Show people that it's possible to make great power with little to no smoke. Otherwise, it just gives diesels a bad image and more restrictions will be put on us. I understand the point of the video is to show the ECM in the LML has been unlocked, but the display of smoke to show that, is exactly why the Government mandated all this crap in the first place. Good, powerful, clean tunes, IMO, are going to become a must, it's just a matter of time before they start cracking down on that, some places already have! Nice to see the ECM cracked, just hope the final tuning is better in the smoke dept. Going from my "dirty" Quad tuner to the "clean" Edge Race tuner, I have better response and power with 75% less smoke. It can be done, it's just a matter of doing it! But congrats H/S, nice ride, I may very well have to look into trading my truck in for a Denali HD. Chris

.......More power to the fine folks at H&S..........They got the sack to show its possible to break into the LML before the others , even if its not in its final configuration......this video release took some guts.......

The truck sound's pretty crazy. The whole smoke thing has gone way to far in the forum world. Guess there going to ban truck pulls soon, to much smoke.

Yes smoke free tunes can be done the smoke outta the hole is for the video notice its completely clean these vgt Turbos do a good job at that an its people who smoke out city streets that give us a bad name more then anything

I'm trying to say this in the nicest way possible.....it IS great that they are tuning the LML(even though I plan on leaving mine stock), congrats. But why be in such a hurry to put a video out that shows bad tuning, when the ECM has already been cracked? It's not like you guys are the first. I could maybe understand it, if it was unheard of, but Bully Dog has already done it. All you guys did compared to them is shut off the CELs regarding DPF/SCR. Personally, I would have refined it a bit more and then put out a video showing how great your product is, plus you'd be the ones who released it first...and you would have gotten a ton of great responses for it. But like they say....any press is good press!

Unbelievable comments here! I will be happy to just be able to delete the exhaust system and urea and possibly get the fuel mileage back. I have a Dually from one of my customers that I am looking at but I won't move on it right now with it's 11.5 hwy mileage:eek: It's been to dealer several times and they said that's as good as it gets.

I'm trying to say this in the nicest way possible.....it IS great that they are tuning the LML(even though I plan on leaving mine stock), congrats. But why be in such a hurry to put a video out that shows bad tuning, when the ECM has already been cracked? It's not like you guys are the first. I could maybe understand it, if it was unheard of, but Bully Dog has already done it. All you guys did compared to them is shut off the CELs regarding DPF/SCR. Personally, I would have refined it a bit more and then put out a video showing how great your product is, plus you'd be the ones who released it first...and you would have gotten a ton of great responses for it. But like they say....any press is good press!

I wish it were that easy! I would be here a LOT less hours. I love how all the negative posters know that it is a "bad" tune just by watching a few clips of it. Is the truck whispering things in the exhaust notes that I cannot hear? The truck is purposefully lugged to prove that we can add fuel, otherwise we get 100 guys on here saying "That's not tuned, come on lets see some smoke." I know that not everyone will approve of every business decision we make, but hey that is the benefit I enjoy by being an owner. I get to make the decision based on my years of experience here, and we have become pretty good at addressing the wants of 90% of the guys out there. I am sorry that you are in the small % of the "other" crowd. We just can't please you all....

Thanks for the continued feedback guys! Loving all the press, and totally agree with above, Any press is good press. I am sure some of you have never heard of us before, not so now right?

How far off are you guys from Releasing to the public?

Any idea of power levels you're going to offer?

I wish it were that easy! I would be here a LOT less hours. I love how all the negative posters know that it is a "bad" tune just by watching a few clips of it. Is the truck whispering things in the exhaust notes that I cannot hear? The truck is purposefully lugged to prove that we can add fuel, otherwise we get 100 guys on here saying "That's not tuned, come on lets see some smoke." I know that not everyone will approve of every business decision we make, but hey that is the benefit I enjoy by being an owner. I get to make the decision based on my years of experience here, and we have become pretty good at addressing the wants of 90% of the guys out there. I am sorry that you are in the small % of the "other" crowd. We just can't please you all....

Thanks for the continued feedback guys! Loving all the press, and totally agree with above, Any press is good press. I am sure some of you have never heard of us before, not so now right?


Spot on response. If you showed a tune with no smoke, people would be all over you for no smoke. Can't win. I also was wondering how these haters know it is a bad tune? I have never heard of your company before, but you are all I have been talking about for the last 24 hours with my buddies. Rock on.

How far off are you guys from Releasing to the public?

Any idea of power levels you're going to offer?

That all depends on how things go of course. We have a busy month planned, and will work on the LML as we can. In our best estimates we see it being available in February sometime. Ball park horsepower? Maybe 100hp top level. Time will tell.

That all depends on how things go of course. We have a busy month planned, and will work on the LML as we can. In our best estimates we see it being available in February sometime. Ball park horsepower? Maybe 100hp top level. Time will tell.


Are you just trying to keep it trans safe? It's capable of more I'm sure.

Are you just trying to keep it trans safe? It's capable of more I'm sure.

Not necessarily, I just know about what the fueling system is capable of. There is no way of knowing the limit until we hit it (after months, even years of experience). I am just judging by the past tuning I have done on similar setups. Our LML pushed about 350hp to the wheels in stock form. We would be happy with a solid 450whp tune in the next 2-6 months.

I wish it were that easy! I would be here a LOT less hours. I love how all the negative posters know that it is a "bad" tune just by watching a few clips of it. Is the truck whispering things in the exhaust notes that I cannot hear? I can't speak for others, but when I said "bad", I simply meant the smoke/defueling...bad was just the first word I thought of. The truck is purposefully lugged to prove that we can add fuel, otherwise we get 100 guys on here saying "That's not tuned, come on lets see some smoke." I know that not everyone will approve of every business decision we make, but hey that is the benefit I enjoy by being an owner. I get to make the decision based on my years of experience here, and we have become pretty good at addressing the wants of 90% of the guys out there. I am sorry that you are in the small % of the "other" crowd. We just can't please you all....90% wants smoke and major defueling on shifts??????????? If that's the case, then yes, I am in the other 10%.

Thanks for the continued feedback guys! Loving all the press, and totally agree with above, Any press is good press. I am sure some of you have never heard of us before, not so now right?

Actually, up until a few months ago, I had never heard about you! I saw someone post saying they had an H&S Blackmax on their LMM......I was like; WTF is that?!

Spot on response. If you showed a tune with no smoke, people would be all over you for no smoke. I can't really see that being the case, but to each their own I guess..... Can't win. I also was wondering how these haters know it is a bad tune? See above...and by the way, not hating, just expressing my opinion. I already congratulated him for doing what they have. I have never heard of your company before, but you are all I have been talking about for the last 24 hours with my buddies. Rock on.

Yes! smoke free tunes can be done, the smoke outta the hole is for the video. notice its completely clean once its going? These vgt Turbos do a good job at that, an its people who smoke out city streets that give us a bad name more then anything!

:rolleyes: fixed for ya!

Really was the post there were you make fun of the defuel necessary? What part of rough tune did you not understand, an it defueled cause it was trying to break the tires lose? I'm just lost if you don't like them or the tune move on rather then prod it? Just my .02 cents. I guess because I'm not an English major I shouldn't type!

Really was the post there were you make fun of the defuel necessary? Pardon? What part of rough tune did you not understand, an it defueled cause it was trying to break the tires lose? Huh? I'm just lost if you don't like them or the tune move on rather then prod it? What? Just my .02 cents. I guess because I'm not an English major I shouldn't type!

I was joking the first time, but now I'm lost. Who are you talking to?

Congrats to H&S. It nice to see another company crack this ECM. I know you have been getting lots of negative feedback (dirty truck, poor exhaust quality) I think it's a shame. Its not like you are selling the tune right now. You are just kinda proud of you accomplishment wish I totally understand. I am sure once you get it fine tuned and refined it will be an awsome tune especially with that stupid DPF removed. Thanks again for your long hours and hard work to make LML owners enjoy their trucks even more.

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Not necessarily, I just know about what the fueling system is capable of. There is no way of knowing the limit until we hit it (after months, even years of experience). I am just judging by the past tuning I have done on similar setups. Our LML pushed about 350hp to the wheels in stock form. We would be happy with a solid 450whp tune in the next 2-6 months.

Really the fuel system is that weak? Is it not holding rail or just simply maxed? I would be curious to.see how these maps for rail pressure an pw look compared to others

I was joking the first time, but now I'm lost. Who are you talking to?

Edit needs to last longer lol I was also reading some one else's an yours at the same time so I kinda rambled them together! Therefore making no sense! Sorry bout that an to respond how I wanted to you is why make fun of the defuel? Bentley said the traction control system is very elaborate on these trucks, so when it tried spinning the tires it really cut fuel which is totally understandable. Look at most cars with traction control they do the same thing. Just curious as why so critical on that 1-2 shift?

H&S.

Are you guys actually reading the stock tune from the truck and saving into the program box?

Reason asking, a lot of comments are being said that the ECM CANNOT BE READ!

Can you share your stance on this issue, not looking for secrets I just (and many others) want to know if the ECM can actually be read.

Well i give congrats to H&S for going and being the first to put out there testing.. Doesnt mean there the first to tune an lml, there the first to put it on video. Theres thousands of shops out there and im willing to bet someone has started something and just doesnt want to put a video up until they get the finished product. H&S makes great stuff, great tunes and thats about it. After a recent experience with going into there office i was not impressed with there customer service, and there new place is a rather disaster, they park there trucks in the parking lot like 4 year olds, granted they have 80 grand into there trucks and they cant park straight? I dono maybe its the mentality they get for driving really nice trucks. But thats alright im just tryin to help your company out to look better and more professional. This is nothing but constructive criticism. Other than that good job to H&S for being one of the few to crack into the ecm.

Well i give congrats to H&S for going and being the first to put out there testing.. Doesnt mean there the first to tune an lml, there the first to put it on video. Theres thousands of shops out there and im willing to bet someone has started something and just doesnt want to put a video up until they get the finished product. H&S makes great stuff, great tunes and thats about it. After a recent experience with going into there office i was not impressed with there customer service, and there new place is a rather disaster, they park there trucks in the parking lot like 4 year olds, granted they have 80 grand into there trucks and they cant park straight? I dono maybe its the mentality they get for driving really nice trucks. But thats alright im just tryin to help your company out to look better and more professional. This is nothing but constructive criticism. Other than that good job to H&S for being one of the few to crack into the ecm.

I would bet that if someone else had done it first, we would know. I guess the truth will likely hide forever.

Once again, we apologize that we have just moved into a building and we are a bit hectic trying to get settled. We would love to spend all the time making it look fancy in here and organize everything, but the fact is that we have bills to pay just like anyone else. Work comes first, cleaning and curb appeal later. I actually feel a bit amazed that you thought it was a disaster, it is quite organized for only being here a few months. (a LOT better than most diesel shops I have had the chance to visit) We do not do any retail sales here, we are a manufacturing facility and frankly do not need to cater to the walk ins.

As far as parking.... :D So I don't want my trucks door dinged by parking right next to each other? Can you blame me? Not only that, but the trucks are CONSTANTLY moving for testing purposes and being accessed with tools that we need room around the trucks.

You all want to poke fun at stuff? I have no clue why, but poke away! We are very thick skinned and proud to have the only "Offroad edition" LML in the world at this point. No amount of poking and prodding will take that fact away, or make me feel any less proud of the work I do and the building I do it out of.

Bentley

H&S.

Are you guys actually reading the stock tune from the truck and saving into the program box?

Reason asking, a lot of comments are being said that the ECM CANNOT BE READ!

Can you share your stance on this issue, not looking for secrets I just (and many others) want to know if the ECM can actually be read.

Without going into a lot of detail and giving away proprietary information, I can't say much. I will say that sometimes there is no need to read a computer. If you can write to it, and have access to original factory flashes, it is not necessary. It is a much more consistent and bug free solution to have a factory flash hard drive of all available calibrations, rather than try to read each one off a truck. It also eliminates the need to spend all that download time reading off the calibration, making your flashing go much faster.

Our Ford and Dodge tuners no longer do any sort of read, simply identify the factory calibration and match that up with an existing file on our memory system. It has worked great for the past couple of years.

I would bet that if someone else had done it first, we would know. I guess the truth will likely hide forever.

Once again, we apologize that we have just moved into a building and were a bit hectic trying to get settled. We would love to spend all the time making it look fancy in here and organize everything, but the fact is that we have bills to pay just like anyone else. Work comes first, cleaning and curb appeal later. I actually feel a bit amazed that you thought it was a disaster, it is quite organized for only being here a few months. (a LOT better than most diesel shops I have had the chance to visit) We do not do any retail sales here, we are a manufacturing facility and frankly do not need to cater to the walk ins.

As far as parking.... :D So I don't want my trucks door dinged by parking right next to each other? Can you blame me? Not only that, but the trucks are CONSTANTLY moving for testing purposes and being accessed with tools that we need room around the trucks.

You all want to poke fun at stuff? I have no clue why, but poke away! We are very thick skinned and proud to have the only "Offroad edition" LML in the world at this point. No amount of poking and prodding will take that fact away, or make me feel any less proud of the work I do and the building I do it out of.

Bentley

No your shop is very clean and organized, it just seemed like the people there didnt know anything. And I dont blame you for parking your trucks how you do, its just when there on the sidewalk and such its more of why? You dont cater to the walk ins? why not? Business standpoint you should show off your place and prove to others your a company to buy from. Hell i can walk into edge products and they are more than willing to give me a free hat and bend over backwords for any concerns i have, and even let me tour there facility. Im a man of my customer service and sales men you may have the best product buy if you cant back it up with some respect and customer service ill never buy from that person. All im saying is just some advice for your company

First of all, congrats on cracking and/or modifying the new PCM. ;)

Only thing about the video that made me laugh is your "unregistered" vehicle with plates on a "private" road. :D

Good job Bentley!

After reading this thread it sounds like EXOTIC is just all sour inside; bet his dog even hates him.


No not at all its comments like this that make me go hmmm

Without going into a lot of detail and giving away proprietary information, I can't say much. I will say that sometimes there is no need to read a computer.

The only way you would know what to tell a computer is if you knew what the computer was reading..

Now they say that they write to the PCM with out having 2 way communication ???


I'm skeptical, Bullydog said they were working on it.. Then a few months down the road (timeline off ??) They said we have something working..

H&S Just comes out and releases a video saying YAY WE DID IT !!!

Yet all the truck seems to do is make Noise ( A Nice Ricer Noise ) and Lots of Black smoke..

All I have asked is that they Show it to the people.. Back up what you are saying !!

If they have opened this PCM they would have to have some kind of Data to back up what they are saying..

They claim 50 HP, Yet haven't put the truck on a Dyno :confused:

Bullydog, Edge, EFI Live, Banks were not built on speculation or what if's.. When they do something they Show they have done it !!

So I challenge Bentley to provide proof ! I mean there is something you can put up.. If i'm wrong I'm wrong and Congrats to you.. I just don't see it.

No not at all its comments like this that make me go hmmm



The only way you would know what to tell a computer is if you knew what the computer was reading..

Now they say that they write to the PCM with out having 2 way communication ???


I'm skeptical, Bullydog said they were working on it.. Then a few months down the road (timeline off ??) They said we have something working..

H&S Just comes out and releases a video saying YAY WE DID IT !!!

Yet all the truck seems to do is make Noise ( A Nice Ricer Noise ) and Lots of Black smoke.. you dont like vgt turbos? could just be the way the new turbo design sounds for all you or I or they know...

All I have asked is that they Show it to the people.. Back up what you are saying !! again theres a video

If they have opened this PCM they would have to have some kind of Data to back up what they are saying..so should everyone show how they write the ecm's? not smart for making money off it imo

They claim 50 HP, Yet haven't put the truck on a Dyno :confused: he said they post it up after some more fine tuning

Bullydog, Edge, EFI Live, Banks were not built on speculation or what if's.. When they do something they Show they have done it !! an only has done it in that list bully dog with non dpf deletes?

So I challenge Bentley to provide proof ! I mean there is something you can put up.. If i'm wrong I'm wrong and Congrats to you.. I just don't see it.

you don't listen very well to what bentley has said..:stirthepo

No not at all its comments like this that make me go hmmm



The only way you would know what to tell a computer is if you knew what the computer was reading..

Now they say that they write to the PCM with out having 2 way communication ???


I'm skeptical, Bullydog said they were working on it.. Then a few months down the road (timeline off ??) They said we have something working..

H&S Just comes out and releases a video saying YAY WE DID IT !!!

Yet all the truck seems to do is make Noise ( A Nice Ricer Noise ) and Lots of Black smoke..

All I have asked is that they Show it to the people.. Back up what you are saying !!

If they have opened this PCM they would have to have some kind of Data to back up what they are saying..

They claim 50 HP, Yet haven't put the truck on a Dyno :confused:

Bullydog, Edge, EFI Live, Banks were not built on speculation or what if's.. When they do something they Show they have done it !!

So I challenge Bentley to provide proof ! I mean there is something you can put up.. If i'm wrong I'm wrong and Congrats to you.. I just don't see it.

In time my friend. It's fine that you don't understand how we do what we do, most don't. But to imply that it is wrong, or not possible simply due to your lack of knowledge is a little "off". Let's say for fun I don't have a tuned LML sitting 50 feet from my desk right now. Why am I saying that I do? Give me motive to lie. Is there money to be made? NO, not unless I can provide a product that suits the needs of the end user. I have better things to do than make up meaningless lies on an internet forum. Once again, in time you will have your proof. Or I will make YOU a special offer, come by and I will take you for a ride in it! Now don't everyone come by, I do still need to work and not be chauffeuring all day. :cool:

This month is crazy and I have a few more high priority projects inline in front of the LML final tuning, but it WILL come.

This month is crazy and I have a few more high priority projects inline in front of the LML final tuning, but it WILL come.

You have things in front of the LML ???

Unless you hired Chris Tarnovsky to strip down the boards and show you the way in, Or Unless Chris Tarnovsky Magically showed you the way in..

One would assume that this LML thing see'ing as you are only the Second company to offer it would be a PRIORITY....

Just the money you would of needed to sink into the PCM is crazy.... But its not a Priority...

Put the damn thing on a Dyno VIDEO it With a reputable shop then lets talk.

until then..

Exotix, I wasn't going to wade in, but I think you're beating a dead horse.

It's pretty clear *something* is going on from a tune standpoint. If it's a good tune or not really isn't the point, it's pretty clear this is all proof-of-concept at this point and little more....but SOMETHING is happening, good or bad.

With Bulldog publicly declaring in another thread here today that their tuner for the LML is due in mere weeks, it's also increasingly clear that this company isn't the only one who has got into the ECM - Bullydog wouldn't be publicly declaring their tuner is going to be released in a few weeks if they hadn't even cracked the ECM yet. Obviously they're in as well and making things happen, they are just waiting for a higher level of refinement before saying a whole lot.

I think perhaps it's time to step back and take a wait and see approach.

how the hell would they have made it smoke like that if it wasnt "tuned"

yes, its a rough crappy tune, but really guys, lay off h&s. They are proving that they were the first to tune it and figure out how to disable the dpf/scr. And for that i applaud them! People were saying this ecm was going to be next to impossible to crack, and they (h&s) did it. How could you guys not be excited about this?

Who cares what the tune is, that wasnt the point of the video. They didnt post the video to show "how fast they can make an lml", they simply posted the video as proof that the ecm is not "uncrackable" and they have figured a way around the edc17's intricacies.

The "hard part" is done; the ecm has been opened. Now just give it time and the good/finalized tunes will come. :)

ben

+1

You have things in front of the LML ???

Unless you hired Chris Tarnovsky to strip down the boards and show you the way in, Or Unless Chris Tarnovsky Magically showed you the way in..

One would assume that this LML thing see'ing as you are only the Second company to offer it would be a PRIORITY....

Just the money you would of needed to sink into the PCM is crazy.... But its not a Priority...

Put the damn thing on a Dyno VIDEO it With a reputable shop then lets talk.

until then..

And my motive for building this elaborate lie?

Not talking about your local police. I said the feds are coming. Believe it or not. When the local cities find out how much their take is from the fine, look out. Abilene will fall into place when they see the money.


LOL!!! Like the Aliens? the fed is only worried about money, not how well emissions are.

Bentley yall know what yall have done for the diesel tuner world and what yall have on the table so I say just keep up the good work. You and Casey are very well respected in the Powerstroke and Cummins world and when the finished product is out the Duremax crowd will soon follow.

Bentley yall know what yall have done for the diesel tuner world and what yall have on the table so I say just keep up the good work. You and Casey are very well respected in the Powerstroke and Cummins world and when the finished product is out the Duremax crowd will soon follow.

Thank you kind sir! We are not too worried about it. We have been the rounds before with every new product release we have done. We will gladly prove others wrong in the quest for more HP! It just gives us a little more fuel for the fire....

LOL!!! Like the Aliens? the fed is only worried about money, not how well emissions are.

Well not necessarly agreeing with Mike but that's his point they want money emissions will be there means of getting it when companys or people do dpf doc deletes they'll come.hunting in some states anyway not they I think people shouldn't do it I mean I haven't done any truck likes that :rolleyes:

Thanks for your coments private pilot now maybe exotic will keep out of this and we can talk more about the ECM that has been cracked AGAIN and can support the people who are out there working there butts off so we can enjoy our new toy. H &S you have all our support. At least all the ones who really care what you are doing.

H&s is the best!!! I can't wait to buy from you guys when this tune is released!! :):)

Ok everyone.. I've gone through and removed most of the mudslinging and crap in this thread. If the insults and such continue warnings will be issued to the offenders.

If you have something constructive (and within the scope of the forum rules) to add to the thread then feel free to participate in the discussion, but if you all you're going to do is mudsling then take a deep breath and avoid hitting that reply button.

Need some reprimands or artical 15's issued out...;)

Need some reprimands or artical 15's issued out...;)

More like we need to file 13(trash can) this worthless post. :D

More like we need to file 13(trash can) this worthless post. :D

Dam you..:p:

Ok everyone.. I've gone through and removed most of the mudslinging and crap in this thread.


Damn, missed all the fun.... ;)


I recognize this as a "phase one" of a ten(?) step journey to end up with a marketable tuning package. Congrats on your start, that part is all good :)

I have not heard of you till now and have an open mind, however.....
Claiming to have an unregistered truck on private roads kinda eats away at your credibility. Do you really wanna stand behind that statement and expect to earn trust from us? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just sayin....... :rolleyes:

Damn, missed all the fun.... ;)


I recognize this as a "phase one" of a ten(?) step journey to end up with a marketable tuning package. Congrats on your start, that part is all good :)

I have not heard of you till now and have an open mind, however.....
Claiming to have an unregistered truck on private roads kinda eats away at your credibility. Do you really wanna stand behind that statement and expect to earn trust from us? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just sayin....... :rolleyes:

Especially when the truck has a license plate. First time I ever seen a paved highway on private property :confused:

I too have never heard of H&S and I have no intention of chipping mine, but, the last I checked, here in the US it is free enterprise. At some point in time, every company is unheard of until they prove themselves and the product they sell. I think H&S at least deserves the opportunity to prove their tuner before everyone jumps their ass. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe they said it was for sale yet.

Damn, missed all the fun.... ;)


I recognize this as a "phase one" of a ten(?) step journey to end up with a marketable tuning package. Congrats on your start, that part is all good :)

I have not heard of you till now and have an open mind, however.....
Claiming to have an unregistered truck on private roads kinda eats away at your credibility. Do you really wanna stand behind that statement and expect to earn trust from us? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just sayin....... :rolleyes:

C'mon man, legal reasons, duh.

C'mon man, legal reasons, duh.

Can't just throw out a disclaimer and then blatently ignore it.

Doesn't take a rocket surgeon or brain scientist to figure that out..... :rolleyes:

Shifting/Defuel looked no worse than my LBZ with the Bully Dog on 135 and no transgo jr. What's the big rush of negativity about anyway ? That wasn't a lot of smoke, at least not enough to trip a "save the whales" parade.
I know H&S puts out a good product for the other brands, I'd expect no less from them for the LML when release day comes.

I will say that sometimes there is no need to read a computer. If you can write to it, and have access to original factory flashes, it is not necessary.


so you "obtained" the ECM flash file elsewhere, you didnt actually take the tune from the ECM in YOUR truck. :secret::rippedhan:stirthepo



Our Ford and Dodge tuners no longer do any sort of read,.

yeah, because the ford uses the EDC17 controller same as the LML...which CANT HAVE THE TUNE READ OUT.


simply identify the factory calibration and match that up with an existing file on our memory system..

And god only knows where THOSE came from.................. :rolleyes:

ben

I know a lil about tuning when spark plugs are involved (see "other" car in sig) and understand that the net/end result is what matters, not neccessarily the path taken to get there. I dont see a need to fully dive into and decipher the stock tune as long as a satisfactory end result can be had.

Admittedly, I know relatively little about diesel tuning but I bet there are some similarities to the tuning I do know something about :)

so you "obtained" the ECM flash file elsewhere, you didnt actually take the tune from the ECM in YOUR truck. :secret::rippedhan:stirthepo





yeah, because the ford uses the EDC17 controller same as the LML...which CANT HAVE THE TUNE READ OUT.




And god only knows where THOSE came from.................. :rolleyes:

ben

Where did I ever state that this is how we did the LML? I was merely proving a point to you guys, trying to educate a little. Do any of your statements degrade the fact that the truck IS tuned? No sir, speculate about our methods all you want, but at the end of the day we ARE tuning the LML. You being a duramax owner should be delighted, but for some odd reason have the desire to speculate about "flaws" in our processes. Really does not make a lot of sense to me, and I am pretty good at putting myself in others shoes when assessing a given situation.

More info to come soon guys, this video release has been a hit and exposure for it is better than we could have imagined. The purpose of this video has been served, and you can knock it all you want.

Thanks!

Bentley

Not talking about your local police. I said the feds are coming. Believe it or not. When the local cities find out how much their take is from the fine, look out. Abilene will fall into place when they see the money.

Feds have time for that???

And my motive for building this elaborate lie?


This dude has nothing better to do or is a rep for another tune company, so he is giving you sh!t for accomplishing something that NO ONE or he could do. Great job, when I get ready to tune my truck which is now, I will be giving yall a ring.

This dude has nothing better to do or is a rep for another tune company, so he is giving you sh!t for accomplishing something that NO ONE or he could do. Great job, when I get ready to tune my truck which is now, I will be giving yall a ring.


I couldn't agree more!! Frankly, I don't care HOW you do it one bit!! I care about better mileage, more power, and a little smoke never hurt anyone!!! It appears as you are well on the road to all three!! again, CONGRATULATIONS, and get that bugger buttoned up so you can sell me one! :)

H&S --

Be careful using those TIS files.... the copyright permissions are very specific about re-sale, modifying, etc......

Good job making something that works though!

H&S --

Be careful using those TIS files.... the copyright permissions are very specific about re-sale, modifying, etc......

Good job making something that works though!

Mods and other members.... My name is Casey and I want to introduce myself. I am one of the tuners at H&S. I hope to get to know some of you guys better here, and if I know you from any other forums please let me know!

Mods--We applied for sponsorship today, and also sponsor many of your other forums, so hopefully you can give us the OK to post today, even though the paperwork is not done. These are hot topics that are hard to sit back and watch without posting. If I am in the wrong please let me know.

In other news.....
We never said we got the files from TIS, Bentley was merely saying that in his eyes, there is no difference in reading from the ECM or downloading from a site. I just don't see how where you obtained the file will make any difference if the end result is the same(unless of course it was stolen, which is was not).

I can tell you this, we don't even have access to TIS files, nor did someone else download them for us. For those that say the ECM cannot be read....are you sure about that? Just because someone has said it can't, does not mean that it cannot be done. We have 2 Denali HD's here, and I can tell you with certainty that they both have different files on them. I know you guys don't know us yet, but in the 12+ years I have known Bentley, the fastest way to get something done is tell him he can't do it.

Just as Bentley was, I am baffled by the negativity towards this project. We are not here to make any enemies, just provide knowledge of our products and promote the whole diesel industry. We have battled this on every other forum we sponsor when we first sign up, but eventually we hope we can show you all that we are not bad guys and simply want to share information and ideas. I think we are pretty open minded, and love using these forums as a tool to make our products better. Hopefully we can break the ice and eventually earn your respect on the forum here.

Thanks for listening!

Casey

Damn, missed all the fun.... ;)


I recognize this as a "phase one" of a ten(?) step journey to end up with a marketable tuning package. Congrats on your start, that part is all good :)

I have not heard of you till now and have an open mind, however.....
Claiming to have an unregistered truck on private roads kinda eats away at your credibility. Do you really wanna stand behind that statement and expect to earn trust from us? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just sayin....... :rolleyes:

Our video guy puts that on every single video that has our race tuners. We actually just bought the truck privately, and it really is NOT registered(not sure why the plate was still on it. It was a hurry up video shoot). As far as private property, it is 95% correct, although there may be a few spots of it where they kept filming before turning around on ours(and neighbors) private property. I think the thread got turned a little sideways when it went from a tuning thread to a film critic thread. I definitely see your point, but I am hoping that we can get cut just a little bit of slack.

I know you have never heard of us, but if you research any of the 6.7L Dodge, 6.7L Ford, or 6.4L Ford forums, you will see that we have a very stand-up reputation, and strive for 100% customer satisfaction. You guys are the enthusiast crowd that we cater to, and without a doubt our products would not be near what they are without you.

We will get some more tuning done soon, and put up some more info to keep you guys in the loop. I know the editing will be closely watched on any of the new vids ;)

Casey

Where did I ever state that this is how we did the LML? I was merely proving a point to you guys, trying to educate a little. Do any of your statements degrade the fact that the truck IS tuned? No sir, speculate about our methods all you want, but at the end of the day we ARE tuning the LML. You being a duramax owner should be delighted, but for some odd reason have the desire to speculate about "flaws" in our processes. Really does not make a lot of sense to me, and I am pretty good at putting myself in others shoes when assessing a given situation.

More info to come soon guys, this video release has been a hit and exposure for it is better than we could have imagined. The purpose of this video has been served, and you can knock it all you want.

Thanks!

Bentley

Im talking about ethics/legal technicalities and who you are going to piss off if you are going about tuning the LML the way I think you are tuning it..

If you arent reading the stock file out of YOUR truck and making changes to that specific file and then flashing it back in (like we do for the LB7, LLY, LBZ, LMM), then you are (you have to be) using something that IS NOT YOURS to begin with.

You're saying it (the flash/BIN) didnt come out of YOUR specific truck, so where did you get it? :stirthepo:

ben

We never said we got the files from TIS, Bentley was merely saying that in his eyes, there is no difference in reading from the ECM or downloading from a site.

Of course not, from a computer standpoint it wont make any difference. Thats not what Im talking about Im talking red tape/legal stuff.

I can tell you this, we don't even have access to TIS files, nor did someone else download them for us.

so I guess we'll just have to take your word for it, because it cant be proven that you are lying or telling the truth...can it. :)

For those that say the ECM cannot be read....are you sure about that?

Yes. Because its the same controller thats used on everything diesel in europe, and those cant be read either.

And reason number two. You guys said yourself that you didnt read the ECM out "because you didnt have to". So now you're saying you did read it out????

We have 2 Denali HD's here, and I can tell you with certainty that they both have different files on them.

whoptee doo, I can tell you the exact same thing (that the files are different) with my tech 2 and candi module.

ben

Mods and other members.... My name is Casey and I want to introduce myself. I am one of the tuners at H&S. I hope to get to know some of you guys better here, and if I know you from any other forums please let me know!

Mods--We applied for sponsorship today, and also sponsor many of your other forums, so hopefully you can give us the OK to post today, even though the paperwork is not done. These are hot topics that are hard to sit back and watch without posting. If I am in the wrong please let me know.

In other news.....
We never said we got the files from TIS, Bentley was merely saying that in his eyes, there is no difference in reading from the ECM or downloading from a site. I just don't see how where you obtained the file will make any difference if the end result is the same(unless of course it was stolen, which is was not).

I can tell you this, we don't even have access to TIS files, nor did someone else download them for us. For those that say the ECM cannot be read....are you sure about that? Just because someone has said it can't, does not mean that it cannot be done. We have 2 Denali HD's here, and I can tell you with certainty that they both have different files on them. I know you guys don't know us yet, but in the 12+ years I have known Bentley, the fastest way to get something done is tell him he can't do it.

Just as Bentley was, I am baffled by the negativity towards this project. We are not here to make any enemies, just provide knowledge of our products and promote the whole diesel industry. We have battled this on every other forum we sponsor when we first sign up, but eventually we hope we can show you all that we are not bad guys and simply want to share information and ideas. I think we are pretty open minded, and love using these forums as a tool to make our products better. Hopefully we can break the ice and eventually earn your respect on the forum here.

Thanks for listening!

Casey


Welcome Casey! Looking forward to your products.

Ben it is evident you are a very knowledgeable guy. Do you work for a tuning company?

I only ask, because if not, why is it your mission to scrutinize and critique everything we say? You have quite a bit of knowledge and passion about this subject for someone not in the business, so if it truly out of passion for the industry, I applaud you. That is some serious dedication to your hobby. I am not saying that jokingly, I am being very serious. To have that kind of time and passion is very commendable.

As I said in my introduction, we are not here to argue and battle about how we do things. We are not here to give any hints or secrets away to other tuning companies.(however I will tell you that we have ZERO access to anything GM, such as tuning tools or files.) We are not here to debate our integrity. If you don't believe it, so be it. We have been told for 3 consecutive years that we can't tune a certain vehicle, and every year we have been able to do it. Maybe the next model we won't be able to, who knows. What I do know is that we are able to tune the LML, and will have a product out shortly.

If you don't like us or our product, don't buy it. I just don't understand you spending your free time trying to discredit us. Is there a reason?

Casey

Welcome Casey! Looking forward to your products.

Thanks! Looking forward to getting you know all you guys.

Casey

Ben it is evident you are a very knowledgeable guy. Do you work for a tuning company?

I only ask, because if not, why is it your mission to scrutinize and critique everything we say? You have quite a bit of knowledge and passion about this subject for someone not in the business, so if it truly out of passion for the industry, I applaud you. That is some serious dedication to your hobby. I am not saying that jokingly, I am being very serious. To have that kind of time and passion is very commendable.

As I said in my introduction, we are not here to argue and battle about how we do things. We are not here to give any hints or secrets away to other tuning companies.(however I will tell you that we have ZERO access to anything GM, such as tuning tools or files.) We are not here to debate our integrity. If you don't believe it, so be it. We have been told for 3 consecutive years that we can't tune a certain vehicle, and every year we have been able to do it. Maybe the next model we won't be able to, who knows. What I do know is that we are able to tune the LML, and will have a product out shortly.

If you don't like us or our product, don't buy it. I just don't understand you spending your free time trying to discredit us. Is there a reason?

Casey


Well said. I do not understand why a couple of forum members are dying to undermine your company. If they do not like what you are doing, I believe they can spend their money elsewhere, as this is the USA. Hang in there HS, I am self employed also and commend your thick skin.

Casey.. Welcome to the forum!! If you can't tell, i'm extremely excited about the progress on the LML. I have an 11 denali with 875 miles on it, and I"m hoping to have the urea deleted before my first oil change!! :)

Ben, you have made it very clear that (for whatever reason) you seem to have beef with anything and everything H&S is posting. That's great, we get the point. How about laying off the poor guys for a little bit, and not being so argumentitive!! Believe it or not, there are NUMEROUS people on this forum (myself included) that are very anxious as to output numbers, and "driveability" in their new creation!

As far as what red tape they are walking through, around, or over frankly isn't any of your concern, nor mine... Unless of course, you were a disgruntled competetor! How much red tape do we all walk through, on, or around by simply buying and installing one of these units?? Give me a break. Lets not play cop, and go back to being duramax/diesel enthusists for a bit..

GREAT JOB H&S!! Get that tune done, many virgin lml's await!! :-)

:welcome2:

DuratotheMax: Please quit assuming I said things. I have never stated where we get files or what we do with them. We all know what ASSuming does right?

You are obviously in pretty tight with another crowd. Brand loyalty is fine, I am all for it, but you sir are crossing the line a bit. You have taken this thread so far off track that it is ruined.

You can pick and pick and try to find things that think will degrade our company, yet we still are tuning the LML. :D (and very excited about it) The point of the thread: We are tuning the 2011 LML trucks, and hope to release early February with some software to the public.

Thanks!

Bentley

Guys I've said it before but Casey,Bentley,Terence,Dan and all the other folks over at H&S will do whatever it takes to make sure the customer is 100% happy with their product. I hope yall will go over to Cumminsforum and Powerstroke.org and do some reading up on H&S. I have some vids up on Youtube(Thetexas78) of my old 6.4L running their BlackMaxx. As I said in a earlier post I'm looking into trading for a LML so I'm watching this just as close as yall are and am very excited.

Damn, missed all the fun.... ;)


I recognize this as a "phase one" of a ten(?) step journey to end up with a marketable tuning package. Congrats on your start, that part is all good :)

I have not heard of you till now and have an open mind, however.....
Claiming to have an unregistered truck on private roads kinda eats away at your credibility. Do you really wanna stand behind that statement and expect to earn trust from us? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just sayin....... :rolleyes:
wow dude u have no clue how hte performance community does things. if u hang out in any or all the performance forums. the videos are never taken in the usa or on public roads. i hang in the corvette forums all the time and guys always post 150 or 160 mph runs and they never do it on public roads or in this country:confused:

I find it funny how all the nuthuggers are on here telling everyone else how to act, what to say/type, what to do......Maybe you guys should worry about yourselves??????

This is an open/public forum, I'm pretty sure I/we can write whatever the **** we want(within the rules). Also, I'm sure H&S will be fine on their own, they don't need random people on the internet to back them up.

Mods--We applied for sponsorship today, and also sponsor many of your other forums, so hopefully you can give us the OK to post today, even though the paperwork is not done. These are hot topics that are hard to sit back and watch without posting. If I am in the wrong please let me know.

Sorry Casey, but that's not the way it works. Only once you are recognized as an official supporting vendor do you have the additional leeway that supporting vendors are allowed. Until then, you must adhere to all the current site rules. You can post about technology and discuss technology in general, but you are not allowed to discuss your products, market your products, or anything of the sort until you are a supporting vendor. "The check is in the mail" has been claimed by many guys on this site; until AutoForums promotes you, it's not official... and until it's official, behaving as a supporting vendor is not allowed. Please read the site rules and follow them.

of course thats not the way it works on this site

Good lord man!

This is a kind warning. If the folks posting in this thread don't stop criticizing one another this thread will be closed. Asking questions is one thing. Calling people out or telling them their place stops now.

There is obviously a lot of knowledge floating around in this thread. Let's keep it that way so people may understand it.

I find it funny how all the nuthuggers are on here telling everyone else how to act, what to say/type, what to do......Maybe you guys should worry about yourselves??????

This is an open/public forum, I'm pretty sure I/we can write whatever the **** we want(within the rules). Also, I'm sure H&S will be fine on their own, they don't need random people on the internet to back them up.
u just did what youre saying not to do

^^^Wasn't referring to you...just a coincidence that I posted right after you did.

Sorry Casey, but that's not the way it works. Only once you are recognized as an official supporting vendor do you have the additional leeway that supporting vendors are allowed. Until then, you must adhere to all the current site rules. You can post about technology and discuss technology in general, but you are not allowed to discuss your products, market your products, or anything of the sort until you are a supporting vendor. "The check is in the mail" has been claimed by many guys on this site; until AutoForums promotes you, it's not official... and until it's official, behaving as a supporting vendor is not allowed. Please read the site rules and follow them.

You can't discuss your product on here, until you become a vendor? WOW!:confused:

the vid was outstanding it PROVES that progress is being made! I'm sure you will get the unavoidable hiccups ironed out prior to your release date!! I for one can't wait!

You can't discuss your product on here, until you become a vendor? WOW!:confused:

Been like that since day 1. What... you didn't read the site rules? WOW!:confused:

Site rule #14 states the following:
If you are a vendor (or have any ties to a vendor) and are NOT a supporting vendor of Diesel Place, you are prohibited from advertising your company's products and/or services on the forum. This includes usernames, links, posts, signatures, private messaging other members, etc. Anyone found violating this is subject to immediate banning from Diesel Place.

Been like that since day 1. What... you didn't read the site rules? WOW!:confused:

Site rule #14 states the following:If you are a vendor (or have any ties to a vendor) and are NOT a supporting vendor of Diesel Place, you are prohibited from advertising your company's products and/or services on the forum. This includes usernames, links, posts, signatures, private messaging other members, etc. Anyone found violating this is subject to immediate banning from Diesel Place.

WOW this thread has gone on for a whole 16 pages before H&S got their hand slapped? Jeez if I barely breathe on someone the wrong way here its not more than 2 minutes before my post gets axed and/or banned. Maybe I need to start tuning LML's or being helpful and adding to this site. Oh wait, Ive already been doing that for the past 6 years.

Shut up Ben. I found out about this thread less than 2 hours ago.

H&S, just keep doing what you do best! I 'm one of your biggest fans:)

I will be buying your product the very day it is released!

I've re-opened this thread since H&S are now supporting vendors. Keep it civil, guys.

:popcorn:


Here we go.....:)

Hey Ryan what you wonna bet it will be a :catfight: I am just gonna sit back and enjoy

:popcorn:


Here we go.....:)


My thoughts exactly!

Could those clouds of smoke coming and going have been defueling during the shifts that we saw?:confused: Almost looked like an older manual shifting. Could I get some of that pop corn please ?

Hey this thread is open again

And let's keep it that way.

I hope H&S will be ready to go on sale to the public by the time I get my truck! :driver:

Seems like the lml is a let down for power though from what I'm hearing the new cp4 is not much for flow seems like tuning big power on stock parts will be hard

Seems like the lml is a let down for power though from what I'm hearing the new cp4 is not much for flow seems like tuning big power on stock parts will be hard

I know this was stated awhile back that the new pump was actually slightly smaller in displacement VS the older LMM's. It was designed to handle the PIEZO injectors and higher pressures more so than anything else.

Ya just wish it weren't true lol looks like it'll take hard parts for power

Seems like the lml is a let down for power though from what I'm hearing the new cp4 is not much for flow seems like tuning big power on stock parts will be hard

I felt the same way when i first saw our initial dyno runs when we were getting the truck and tune ready for SEMA.

But as with anything new its just a matter of time until everybody figures out how to get some power out of it

:cool:I felt the same way when i first saw our initial dyno runs when we were getting the truck and tune ready for SEMA.

But as with anything new its just a matter of time until everybody figures out how to get some power out of it

Efi an hard parts!! :D

Well the pressure is there. My truck showed 29200 commanded and 29980 actual on the Tech 2.

Well the pressure is there. My truck showed 29200 commanded and 29980 actual on the Tech 2.

well we all know it has the pressure (for emissions) but the flow isnt there so were still screwed one way or another

Some Dyno shots from this morning. Enjoy.

Disclaimer:
1. Yes, the truck is dirty, we know.
2. No, this is not our final tuning. Final numbers will be released just prior to public release (February sometime)
3. Yes, the exhaust is still a "test" pipe and not a final production piece.
4. Yes, the truck will run on a stock tune with the exhaust removed, for a short period of time.

Thanks!

YouTube - H&S Performance 2011 LML Duramax Dyno Session

Very nice!

A great video for the haters!

nice video!! Thats the one that should have been posted first!

You had aftermarket exhaust on for the stock tune in this video right? That would explain why the hp is a little higher than what others have reported for stock or could be just the fact of a different brand of dyno

x2, you should dyno it with the stock exhaust to see how much that takes away. It'll make your results look a lot better and they'll still be true.

Is it gonna take 1:45 to tune it when it is released or will it be quicker? Just curious since the Edge on my LMM was like 30 or 45 seconds, it was really nice to have it change a tune so quick.

YouTube - H&S Performance 2011 LML Duramax Dyno Session nice stock numbers

Gotta ask a question cause it driving me crazy. How does the truck run with the stock tune with no dpf or def on it? no codes? or is it that short of a time that it doesnt show up or what. really not trying to start anything but really curious.

x2, you should dyno it with the stock exhaust to see how much that takes away. It'll make your results look a lot better and they'll still be true.

Is it gonna take 1:45 to tune it when it is released or will it be quicker? Just curious since the Edge on my LMM was like 30 or 45 seconds, it was really nice to have it change a tune so quick.

With the LMM you are able to write the engine tuning calibration section alone. With the new LML processor, we are writing all 9 calibration sections. This takes about 6 minutes (it is sped up in the video). Final release tuning should be this same download procedure and thus will take the same amount of time. Hopefully soon we will have some "shift on the fly" capabilities and changing tunes will be instant with the push of a button.

Bentley

Gotta ask a question cause it driving me crazy. How does the truck run with the stock tune with no dpf or def on it? no codes? or is it that short of a time that it doesnt show up or what. really not trying to start anything but really curious.

That is a very legitimate question. We actually had to plug in all the DPF/UREA sensors on this truck to get it to run correctly with a stock tune and aftermarket exhaust. It will still have some major problems if allowed to run like this for an extended period of time, but gave us enough time for some dyno runs.

Awsome job Bentley!!!

Nice vid Bently

You had aftermarket exhaust on for the stock tune in this video right? That would explain why the hp is a little higher than what others have reported for stock or could be just the fact of a different brand of dyno

We actually have another LML, which I am sure will be used in some of our other videos shortly. It still has the factory exhaust system on it and maintains 350-360 hp to the wheels. Granted this truck still only has 6-800 miles on it and should have a very clean free-flowing DPF. I would imagine with miles will come a little restriction and slightly lowered HP numbers.

Why can't I just order a 2011 without the DPF bulls#%*^ and the urea tank and save a couple grand. Then I don't have to throw that stuff away!!!
These LML are starting to look more apealing to me!!!

Nice vid Bently

Thank you! I have heard the beta testing for your tuners is going very smoothly. Congrats, that is an accomplishment for a new processor / platform such as this.

Bentley

Im liking what I see here. Awesome work! I just might be getting an LML sometime in the future with H&S goodies!

H&S..why cant I find any products from you for an LBZ?

We actually have another LML, which I am sure will be used in some of our other videos shortly. It still has the factory exhaust system on it and maintains 350-360 hp to the wheels. Granted this truck still only has 6-800 miles on it and should have a very clean free-flowing DPF. I would imagine with miles will come a little restriction and slightly lowered HP numbers.
Nice...So you actually managed to do around a 80hp increase than from stock...

Awsome job Bentley!!!

Thanks Jerry! On a side note, you would admire the 6.4 we dyno tuned today. 675HP / 1380TQ on fuel only. We may post some vids of it up on the Powerstroke sites. :driver: :back:

Bravo HS Performance!! i love the sound of the truck strait piped. Looking forward to future vids and possible release date!!!!

So the LML cannot be run with a stock tune, only with a "tune"? Also, on a side note, you gotta tell me what size lift and the wheel/tire dimensions on this truck. It is simply looks tough as hell!! Keep up the good work, Hopefully all will be ready for me to get a 2012.

Couple questions. Why would you ever dyno the truck with larger tires and wheels on it? Wouldn't stock size tires and wheels show a better gain?

wow dude u have no clue how hte performance community does things. if u hang out in any or all the performance forums. the videos are never taken in the usa or on public roads. i hang in the corvette forums all the time and guys always post 150 or 160 mph runs and they never do it on public roads or in this country:confused:

:rof1:

Couple questions. Why would you ever dyno the truck with larger tires and wheels on it? Wouldn't stock size tires and wheels show a better gain?

Not necessarily. Now if we dyno the truck with stock wheels, then tune it and add 40" tires, there could be some discrepancy. Even in such a case as that, the difference is not huge and not nearly as big of a deal as people think.

It's still real world numbers. People are going to lift their trucks and will get similar results

Yes but most trucks are stock height and you will have a better end result with stock size tires.Thats all I'm saying

Yes but most trucks are stock height and you will have a better end result with stock size tires.Thats all I'm saying

The end resulting number is not something we are shooting for. Because of all the external variables (dyno manufacturers, ambient conditions, calibrations, etc), the end HP number is nearly meaningless. A dyno test is merely the proof of a difference in numbers. Tuned VS Stock in this case. The 60hp difference is the main purpose of this dyno run. A truck with stock suspension and tires may result in higher stock and tuned numbers, but the differential values is what tuning is really about.

so what numbers are you looking at in a tune on a stock truck with stock pipe , def urea left.....all of the hardware left on. I am interested in what we can achieve in simply running a different tune.

Nice work. I look forward to seeing more and glad to know the LML can be tuned.

so what numbers are you looking at in a tune on a stock truck with stock pipe , def urea left.....all of the hardware left on. I am interested in what we can achieve in simply running a different tune.

We will likely be anywhere from 400-450 for Emissions present tuning on OUR dyno.

We will likely be anywhere from 400-450 for Emissions present tuning on OUR dyno.

Those are nice at the wheel numbers :) with emissions present

What is stock showing at the wheels with emissions present

What kind of torque increases?

We actually have another LML, which I am sure will be used in some of our other videos shortly. It still has the factory exhaust system on it and maintains 350-360 hp to the wheels. Granted this truck still only has 6-800 miles on it and should have a very clean free-flowing DPF. I would imagine with miles will come a little restriction and slightly lowered HP numbers.

Here ya go clarky

We will likely be anywhere from 400-450 for Emissions present tuning on OUR dyno.

Ok, but how much gain/difference does that represent? No bolt on mods or deletes, just a tune on an otherwise completely stock LML.

We actually have another LML, which I am sure will be used in some of our other videos shortly. It still has the factory exhaust system on it and maintains 350-360 hp to the wheels. Granted this truck still only has 6-800 miles on it and should have a very clean free-flowing DPF. I would imagine with miles will come a little restriction and slightly lowered HP numbers.
Here ya go clarky

Yes i saw what their stock truck dyno'd at

Ok, but how much gain/difference does that represent? No bolt on mods or deletes, just a tune on an otherwise completely stock LML.

Exactly!! I would like to know what i will get out of a Tuner with no other add ons ...... rear wheel Horse Power and Torque increases from Stock......

That is the information i am looking for.....

Do you think the new Allison will hold the HP and torque running empty?
And if so do you think it will hold it while towing? I hope it will.
:D

It will hold up fine it's the same old game. Raise your power too hi and it will tear up what's not meant to live at that torture place. It will live a little longer just over stock etc. but same deal. It's meant to work at stock not drag or sled pull. Spend the money on these to junk them sled pulling isn't what is meant to be used for. We all know this stuff and I'd still say wait for PPE and EFI if you want the best testing and results from those teams and users who will give the safe and race breakover pts.

Yes i saw what their stock truck dyno'd at



Exactly!! I would like to know what i will get out of a Tuner with no other add ons ...... rear wheel Horse Power and Torque increases from Stock......

That is the information i am looking for.....

you just read it???? with all the emissons crap in place stock everything it did 350-360rwhp there stock tune with straight piped exhuast on a lifted truck was 372 rwhp

congrats

I'm going to put this thread out of it's misery since a few choice people unfortunately insist on ruining it despite the attempts of many others to get it back on track.

Perhaps H&S can start a new thread when they have more to share.