i heard that gm has plans in the works to move production oversees. has anyone heard more about it? how would feel about driving a non american truck? idk about all you guys, but if gm goes oversees i have purchased my last gm...i love my 2010 3500hd, and the duramax is the best motor...but ill have to start driving an american truck, as much as i hate to say it, id look at fords. the powerstroke blows, yet it is american. i want to know what everyone thinks and feels about this, and what do you all know about it?:saluteusa::saluteusa:

I think you had too much eggnog at xmas or started early for new years eve. There are a bunch of gm haters out there.

As it stands now, there's more "American" in my Komatsu and Volvo equipment, than there is in my GM trucks. What's the big deal about GM moving? The current Gov't and all the previous generations have made it conducive for all manufacturers to build elsewhere, and, so long as that continues, Gm may have to build overseas to survive.

What I'm getting at is that you need to be mad at Uncle Sam for not raising trade barriers and tariffs to ensure that businesses stay here.

It's almost as if all the politicians have stakes in foreign countries and foreign corporations.

**** free trade. It costs more to build here because we have a higher standard of living (among other things such as better quality of life due to "some" EPA regulation enforcement). You wanna build something overseas that we can build here, you should have to overcome high trade barries to do business here, period.
Don't think that for a moments that there aren't high tarriffs on american built products that are sold in China, Japan, Asia, etc....
BUT, we are so deep into foreign dependence that you can't just turn it off or around, just like that.

Going overseas is the fastest way to get rid of the overpayed uaw workers and start making a profit.

Ford's new 6.7L Powerstroke diesel engine is made in Mexico.

Woah there not everything on the internet is true. It is if you believe it. After what has just happened with GM in the past couple of years, moving production would be a dumb idea. No way would it make sense to build plants overseas when they can re-tool and refubish factories that they have owned for 50, 60, heck 70+ years. Just about every US market car is made in the US or Canada, maybe even a couple in Mexico. Same goes for their powertrains. The Duramax may have been a GM/Isuzu thing but the motors are built here. After being bailed out by the USA, and repaying back those loans in stride, GM has alot in my opinion indebted to the American people and its workforce.

Indebted < In Debt.

I believe in Capitalism, so it often makes sense to go where the cheap labor is. And, while I think Free Trade is right, in principle, heymccall is right in stating that other countries practice Protectionism quite readily against the US.

GM already builds trucks in Canada & Mexico. That will likely continue, as will compact car importing. You can fit a lot more of those kei-car imitators on a ship than you could 3500DRWs.

-bZj

i know some of everything comes from oversees, i just hate to think that the majoritiy of the truck could be forgien, i consider canada and mexico apart of america, albe it North American. i hate Toyota, i think the usa should make a 50% import tax on goods, and lower the export tax, but that screws the world up. make it easier for american companies while not ticing off the forgien ones. we should protect our GM and Ford but GM needs to stay in the good old USA if they want me to buy trucks from them, its that simple, i refuse to buy any forgien vehicles. trucks inculded. Gm was born in America and should stay American. sell overseas sure, import some parts okay, but build the product here. I can agree that the Union workers are overpaid, work it out, or simply hire non union, most of it is done by robots these days anyway. the duramax to the best of my knowlege is currently build in canada, to me thats okay. The truck is assembled in the USA. Lets keep it this way. Would any of you buy a toyota? The issue is the government, clearly, yet the system is broken, and idk how it can be fixed, all i know is whenever i have a choice i buy Made in the USA, even if it means spending a little more money, because i know the extra money will stay in america!

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/01/its-official-gm-china-bigger-than-gm-u-s-a/

Ford's new 6.7L Powerstroke diesel engine is made in Mexico.

fords "american fully in-house" engine is made in mexico and our "japanese" engine is made in usa, lolz.

fords "american fully in-house" engine is assembled in mexico and our "japanese" engine is assembled in the usa, lolz.

Fixed it :D

Fixed it :D

the only things that come from japan on our engine are the raw head, crank, and rod castings. When I say "raw" I mean raw, like the cranks dont have any journals machines on them, the rod caps havent been split, and the heads dont have any bolt holes drilled in them. The pistons are from Federal Mogul.

Everything else is balanced, machined, assembled, blocks cast in the US, everything else cast, and tested here in Ohio. And when I say tested, I mean actually hot tested. Every single duramax engine that comes off the line is started and ran on a dyno to check for rated power output, dynamic compression, temperatures, leaks, and oil pressure.

Ford and Dodge (cummins) dont do that. All they do is spin the rotating assembly cold with an electric motor and say "ummmkay we got oil pressure, ship it".

You say the ford is just "assembled" down south. I didnt know ford made all of their engine parts here in the US and then shipped them down to mehheeco to just be bolted together.

ben

the only things that come from japan on our engine are the raw head, crank, and rod castings. When I say "raw" I mean raw, like the cranks dont have any journals machines on them, the rod caps havent been split, and the heads dont have any bolt holes drilled in them. The pistons are from Federal Mogul.

Everything else is balanced, machined, assembled, blocks cast in the US, everything else cast, and tested here in Ohio. And when I say tested, I mean actually hot tested. Every single duramax engine that comes off the line is started and ran on a dyno to check for rated power output, dynamic compression, temperatures, leaks, and oil pressure.

Ford and Dodge (cummins) dont do that. All they do is spin the rotating assembly cold with an electric motor and say "ummmkay we got oil pressure, ship it".

You say the ford is just "assembled" down south. I didnt know ford made all of their engine parts here in the US and then shipped them down to mehheeco to just be bolted together.

ben


Ben.....the guy's a TROLL. Doesn't know squat and loves to show his ignorance whenever he can.

the 2012 Chevy Sonic (replaces Aveo) will be built in Lake Orion, MI

GM is not moving truck production overseas, or anything else for that matter. Silly internet rumor at best.

Oh, and Isuzu is leaving the D-max JV....so we can quit hearing the "Japanese" engine crap, although it hasn't been really true for quite a while given the amount of GM development in the recent iterations.

i'm glad to hear that izuzu is gonna be off the d-max. i did read that article about gm in china, thats prob why i heard the rumor about gm moving completly overseas. it should all be Made in America! and we should all demand american everything! after all this is the greatest country in the world!

i'm glad to hear that izuzu is gonna be off the d-max.

Why? They gave us a pretty darn good diesel engine if you ask me. Americans have made some pretty crappy stuff in the past too. ;)

The last american diesel engine effort to go into a GM pickup truck = 6.2/6.5
the last japanese/isuzu diesel engine effort to go into a GM pickup truck = duramax

GEE which one would 99.999995% of the people on this forum choose, if cost werent an issue. Even the most pigheaded redblooded american idiot would still choose the duramax, regardless of where half its design came from. :)

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What I'm getting at is that you need to be mad at Uncle Sam for not raising trade barriers and tariffs to ensure that businesses stay here....

Just remember...

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh202/Diesel_Day_Dreamin/gm.jpg

.... After being bailed out by the USA, and repaying back those loans in stride, GM has alot in my opinion indebted to the American people and its workforce.

So how's GM stock doing for the share holders, retirees, investors (like me), who lost 3/4 of it's value? That will never be ''paid back''. Glad I got out when I did!

the issue is not where it was designed, its where the majority of the truck will be built. i agree the dmax is the best diesel on the market, and will prob stay as such for a long time, just check out the article in this months Diesel Power Powerstroked gets dumped on, even after the new upgrades that ford made. i'd be glad that izuzu would be off because maybe it'll be cast in America, and the jobs will stay here. it should still be the same awesome motor, what reason do they have to make any major changes?...other than maybe getting it much improved fuel milege/...

i'd be glad that izuzu would be off because maybe it'll be cast in America, and the jobs will stay here.

the block is cast here, all final machining is done here, and complete assembly is done here. Come on, I think thats just about as "american" as you are going to get in todays global economy/production farming-out.

The cummins and powerstroke have way more foreign components than the duramax does.

If you want something that is actually truly "100% american" then build a time machine and go back ~70 years. :)

I guess adding 750 jobs to flint assembly is un-american as well.....

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/24/gm-adding-750-jobs-to-build-more-heavy-duty-pickups/