needs to hurry the hell up!

Agreed!! did it take this long when they switched body styles in 2007.5?

Body styles did not change the ECM and all the programing!

Some of the body panels did change. The grill is different and the hood on the chevy is different. The new truck's are longer and wider. While some of the body parts may fit, some won't. From first glance they look the same, for instance the black louvers or inserts on the 11's hood are longer and wider than they were on the 10's. I ordered a Putco chrome cover that was supposed to fit 2007.5 thru 2011 for our's and it was too small. Putco didn't even know there was a difference until we called and asked why our's didn't fit.
The grill is a little different also the upper and lower sections are a little different in hieght, but I did find a Stainless grill for the 11's from Terex and it was perfect. Also grill guards and bumpers are different due to the frame changes, and will use different mounts. But as for programers, it may be a while. I don't know if GM put any tricks in there system to make it harder or not to the after market boxes. JK would probably know and is probably already working on a tune for us.
I understand that the Ford 6.7's ECM is protected with an encryption code that is almost impossible to break. It may be a long time before they have anything for those. So at least maybe the LML owners will be see something on the market before too long. But who knows

id like to put a k&n on mine but they dont even make a kit for it yet not even a air filter for it =(

The Banks LML DPF back exhaust is done, the prototype LML Ram Air intake and Super Scoop are both in final testing, there's a Speed Brake in the works along with the iQ display, intercoolers and tuners will be a few more months before they get released:D

Some of the body panels did change. The grill is different and the hood on the chevy is different. The new truck's are longer and wider. While some of the body parts may fit, some won't. From first glance they look the same, for instance the black louvers or inserts on the 11's hood are longer and wider than they were on the 10's. I ordered a Putco chrome cover that was supposed to fit 2007.5 thru 2011 for our's and it was too small. Putco didn't even know there was a difference until we called and asked why our's didn't fit.
The grill is a little different also the upper and lower sections are a little different in hieght, but I did find a Stainless grill for the 11's from Terex and it was perfect. Also grill guards and bumpers are different due to the frame changes, and will use different mounts. But as for programers, it may be a while. I don't know if GM put any tricks in there system to make it harder or not to the after market boxes. JK would probably know and is probably already working on a tune for us.
I understand that the Ford 6.7's ECM is protected with an encryption code that is almost impossible to break. It may be a long time before they have anything for those. So at least maybe the LML owners will be see something on the market before too long. But who knows


Please re read my post, I was replying to jason_2500 in that the 07.5 did not take as long for the tuners. Not much changed then other than the addition of the DPF and a few other things in the ECM. No one re-invented the wheel with the 07.5-10. They will with this one.

John can not create any tunes until EFILive has written the programs for these new trucks and then releases them to the public. Then the tuners will take plenty of time getting the tuning right as these trucks are much different than previous, new injectors for one.
Since EFILive has paused the work on the 2011 (last I read from their website) I would not expect much very soon.

:( to all in this thread

The Banks LML DPF back exhaust is done, the prototype LML Ram Air intake and Super Scoop are both in final testing, there's a Speed Brake in the works along with the iQ display, intercoolers and tuners will be a few more months before they get released:D

I just got my LML baxck from Banks with the new exhaust and cold air intake. The low end reponse is much better and the sound is slightly louder but quiet. The oval tip look very nice and adds some nice looks to the truck. The intake is not finished yet and will be going back when the neww parts are done. It will then be calibrated and dynoed. I will keep you guys informed.
I am very happy with the mods .:D

Thanks Mike, I'd be interested in the intake :D

I just got my LML baxck from Banks with the new exhaust and cold air intake. The low end reponse is much better and the sound is slightly louder but quiet. The oval tip look very nice and adds some nice looks to the truck. The intake is not finished yet and will be going back when the neww parts are done. It will then be calibrated and dynoed. I will keep you guys informed.
I am very happy with the mods .:D


I'd LOVE to see a pic of that exhaust tip. Side exit I hope...

I'd LOVE to see a pic of that exhaust tip. Side exit I hope...

Side exit and it looks great. It is tucked up nice like all Banks systems. I'll post pictures in the am. Even my wife loves it.:eek::D

Wow Mike that's good to hear. How much would you say it improves low end response?

Ok I'll ask sens no one else has is it a full exaust with dpf delete or is it a dpf back with tip and if it is a dpf back would that void your warranty?

DPF Back according to post #6

DPF Back according to post #6

Correct.
I would not be in a hurry to start disconnecting things. Could be big trouble.

Here's a couple of pics of the exhaust on Mike L's truck (currently available) and the prototype Ram Air with Super Scoop that he's beta testing:D

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/149569_171456209551135_146556355374454_480049_5653 855_n.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/148598_171456372884452_146556355374454_480051_3994 776_n.jpg

me like very much can i be a tester too im in so. cal.?

thanks for the call back so quick. cant wait for the wife to let me go ahead with it.

Hell, I'll be a tester for NC. I am glad to see there are some mods coming out. How does the exhaust sound? I am missing the turbo-back exhaust from my LBZ.

Here's a couple of pics of the exhaust on Mike L's truck (currently available) and the prototype Ram Air with Super Scoop that he's beta testing:D

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/149569_171456209551135_146556355374454_480049_5653 855_n.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/148598_171456372884452_146556355374454_480051_3994 776_n.jpg

How is tuning looking for you guys?

Here's a couple of pics of the exhaust on Mike L's truck (currently available) and the prototype Ram Air with Super Scoop that he's beta testing:D
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/148598_171456372884452_146556355374454_480051_3994 776_n.jpg

So..... Where are the vent "holes" in this pipe/tip for the intake of cold air for re-gen's?

How is tuning looking for you guys?

Pretty good actually. I'll know more in a couple of weeks.

So..... Where are the vent "holes" in this pipe/tip for the intake of cold air for re-gen's?

The cool cuff is further up the pipe. It's hard to see in the picture because the heat shield for the spare tire is in front of it.

Pretty good actually. I'll know more in a couple of weeks.



The cool cuff is further up the pipe. It's hard to see in the picture because the heat shield for the spare tire is in front of it.

It was hidden very well. You have to realy look close to see it.

mike l you lucky bastard.(shaking fist) i wish i could get to hear it b4 i spend $430 on the exhaust. yes that is how much it is for us diesel place members. i called today and talked to jbaker.

mike l you lucky bastard.(shaking fist) i wish i could get to hear it b4 i spend $430 on the exhaust. yes that is how much it is for us diesel place members. i called today and talked to jbaker.

I totaly understand. Exhaust sound is a very personal thing ( like women ). What might sound good to me may suck for you.
I can tell you it is not loud and has no drone. I can hear a nice V8 type sound inside the cab. I like it. My wife say it's what the truck needed, not that that means shit.:p::D It does look good though.:cool:

mike l you lucky bastard.(shaking fist) i wish i could get to hear it b4 i spend $430 on the exhaust. yes that is how much it is for us diesel place members. i called today and talked to jbaker.
Looks like I will be ordering one next week if thats the case!

Looks like I will be ordering one next week if thats the case!

When you call make sure you ask for jbaker ext it's in his signature or you might get charged full price 540 if I remember right

The cool cuff is further up the pipe. It's hard to see in the picture because the heat shield for the spare tire is in front of it.

Ok. So.... This "cool cuff"... I've never seen a Banks exhaust since the LB7, but HAVE seen a newer MBRP exhaust. So, does MBRP have the same type of thing as you guys? Kind of a "louvered" section of pipe?

If so, How does this idea work compared to someone like Magnaflow that just has the holes in the tip?

Also... Mike L.... I would still like to see pics of the oval tip, if you don't mind... :D

why is it so expensive?? a turbo back exhaust isnt even that much

I kinda thought it was kinda high

Ok. So.... This "cool cuff"... I've never seen a Banks exhaust since the LB7, but HAVE seen a newer MBRP exhaust. So, does MBRP have the same type of thing as you guys? Kind of a "louvered" section of pipe?

If so, How does this idea work compared to someone like Magnaflow that just has the holes in the tip?

Also... Mike L.... I would still like to see pics of the oval tip, if you don't mind... :D

This is the result of putting the air inlets on the tail pipe tip:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/tailpipe-chart.jpg

With the air entering the exhaust at the tip there's simply not enough time for the cold air to mix in and cool down the exiting exhaust gasses. Keep in mind that these readings were taken after the air cut outs, the pipe itself can be as much as 100-200 hotter than the readings show above.

why is it so expensive?? a turbo back exhaust isnt even that much

I kinda thought it was kinda high

That's because the cool cuff requires several additional steps to make. We could just cut vents into the tail pipe but we would rather not blister your paint:D

Here's how it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR0geeVV6SA

I've been out of the loop on banks stuff for awhile... What is the "speed brake" you mentioned? Where does the ram air pull in from and what kind of filter are you guys using?

Thanks!

I've been out of the loop on banks stuff for awhile... What is the "speed brake" you mentioned? Where does the ram air pull in from and what kind of filter are you guys using?

Thanks!

The Speed Brake will be an electronic braking upgrade for the LML. It's similar to the Speed Brake we have now for the lly-lmm trucks but on the LML it's going to be an enhancment rather then a stand alone brake. The Ram Air and Super Scoop on Mikes truck uses a Banks washable Ram Air filter and pulles the air from under the front bumper. On the LML it's going to require some small vents be trimmed into the lower part of the bumper valance. We'll included a template for this.

I've been out of the loop on banks stuff for awhile... What is the "speed brake" you mentioned? Where does the ram air pull in from and what kind of filter are you guys using?

Thanks!

It looks like a exhaust brake/vgt controller. After the test results on the web it looks like the factory brake is pretty good. Dont know how popular this will be? Maybe it does other things aswell.

http://www.bankspower.com/news/show/24-Banks-SpeedBrake

That's because the cool cuff requires several additional steps to make. We could just cut vents into the tail pipe but we would rather not blister your paint:D

Here's how it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR0geeVV6SA
That is just scarey how hot a stock exhaust can get..

I STILL wanna see a pic of the oval tip. Side view would be nice... :D

i would like to see the exhaust in full... and when will it be available?

i would like to see the dual exhaust version..

subscribing..

X2 on the duals

JBarker- will there be any package deals for the DPF-back exhausts (both single and dual), the cold air intake, and the appropriate tune for those two mods. I'm interested in a bit more power, a better look and sound, but not jeopardizing my warranty, legality (I live in smog-nazi CA) or making the type of power that is going to murder my transmission.

Thanks,
TJ

i would like to see the dual exhaust version..

subscribing..

X2 on the duals

JBarker- will there be any package deals for the DPF-back exhausts (both single and dual), the cold air intake, and the appropriate tune for those two mods. I'm interested in a bit more power, a better look and sound, but not jeopardizing my warranty, legality (I live in smog-nazi CA) or making the type of power that is going to murder my transmission.

Thanks,
TJ

Packages will be available, however, due to the proximity of the new fuel tank and the spare tire there will be no dual exhaust for this truck.

u can't be serious.

how long before the systems are ready for us?

I have one ordered. call them up! exhaust that is anyway.

Packages will be available, however, due to the proximity of the new fuel tank and the spare tire there will be no dual exhaust for this truck.

Ah, that's too bad. I'm still looking forward to the package releases! Are you going to get them CARB EO #s?

how long before the systems are ready for us?

x2

-TJ

i want to put one on my truck but i am waiting till the dealer gets my under hood smoking fixed first so they cant blame it on my new exhaust

i want to put one on my truck but i am waiting till the dealer gets my under hood smoking fixed first so they cant blame it on my new exhaust

Very good point... I guess I should make sure I have some miles on it to make sure I don't end up with the smoking issue myself.

-TJ

Very good point... I guess I should make sure I have some miles on it to make sure I don't end up with the smoking issue myself.

-TJ
you only see she smoke when in re-gen and in stop and go or around town if you re-gen on the highway you will never see it

I just ordered my Banks Exhaust from JBarker. I am just going to drop it off at the dealers with the exhaust and tell them to put it on so they can't hassle me about it if I do it myself. I have the underhood smoke, but I don't care to wait any longer for a different exhaust with a nicer tip!

I will take pictures and post up in a week or so when it is installed.

I just ordered my Banks Exhaust from JBarker. I am just going to drop it off at the dealers with the exhaust and tell them to put it on so they can't hassle me about it if I do it myself. I have the underhood smoke, but I don't care to wait any longer for a different exhaust with a nicer tip!

I will take pictures and post up in a week or so when it is installed.

Ditto. Can't wait to get it, and get er on. Wait a sec...... Can't wait to get the truck. LOL

I've got mine on order from JBarker too and UPS tracking says it will be here Friday so I guess I know what I'm doing Saturday!
Tim Adams

so when will the intake be released

hear is a pic of my truck with a www.fatbobsgarage.com 2.5" leveling kit on it
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o112/UKNOWME8/TRUCK5.jpg

Well the exhaust is done, less than 1Hr laying on my back. Here's the pictures sorry it was almost dark when I took the pictures. Sure looks better than stock but I couldn't tell much difference in the sound.
Tim Adams
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/realbamma/2010-12-04_18-07-34_686.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/realbamma/2010-12-04_18-07-44_15.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/realbamma/2010-12-04_18-07-56_351.jpg

hear is a pic of my truck with a www.fatbobsgarage.com 2.5" leveling kit on it
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o112/UKNOWME8/TRUCK5.jpg

has that level kit affected your ride any

has that level kit affected your ride any

No not much at all maybe a bit but not very much

Well the exhaust is done, less than 1Hr laying on my back. Here's the pictures sorry it was almost dark when I took the pictures. Sure looks better than stock but I couldn't tell much difference in the sound.
Tim Adams
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/realbamma/2010-12-04_18-07-34_686.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/realbamma/2010-12-04_18-07-44_15.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/realbamma/2010-12-04_18-07-56_351.jpg

How does that attach to the dpf

Cut the exhaust of 12" from the weld on the back of the DPF and it slip over the cut off tube. It fit very nice, it is made in 3 pieces.
Tim Adams

Can you hear your turbo more because that is one thing missing from the sound

I like it, is it just the tip or a whole exhaust? And if so How much did the exhaust tip cost? Thanks

Can you hear your turbo more because that is one thing missing from the sound

Sorry stil can't hear the turbo, wish it sounded a little more like my LMM.


I like it, is it just the tip or a whole exhaust? And if so How much did the exhaust tip cost? Thanks

It's a kit that you have to replace part of the exhaust 12" from the DPF (big thing that looks like a muffler).

Tim Adams

So this kit actually requires cutting? I have the Banks exhaust sitting up at my office, no time to open it yet. I thought it was just a bolt on system, but I don't mind cutting if I need to.

So this kit actually requires cutting? I have the Banks exhaust sitting up at my office, no time to open it yet. I thought it was just a bolt on system, but I don't mind cutting if I need to.

Yep you have to cut the stock exhaust 12" from the DPF and it goes on easy from there. I removed right rear tire for more room and cut exhaust with a grinder with a cutoff wheel. It took me no more than 1HR and fit very nice.
Tim Adams

does anyone remember someone posting a link to a web site that helped you calculate tire size and what not i can find it for the life of me or maybe you know the link and can post it thanks

This one is from the wheels and tires section.

http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

thank you but that was not the one i was looking for

Try this one:

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

that was the one i was looking for thank you

Sooo is banks the only company that has exhaust available for the lml???

This seems good place as any ask this question. Has any vendor created a DEF gauge to work with GM wiring? As we known that GM has some form of level monitor for DIC thus one should able tap in to wire in a DEF level guage. I know companys Maxima Technolgies has DEF gauge thus one should be able to wire it in some how. You think all vendors on this site would be looking it this as there so many of wanting a gauge!

link for Maxima DEF gauge below:

http://www.maximatech.com/DEFGAUGE

Still no pictures of the exhaust? Lets pick this thread up and see what people are doing.

on Monday i am taking my truck to Gibson performance exhaust for them to measure and manufacture an exhaust system for my truck(dpf back) as soon as it is done and i have it back i will get up pics and yes i will be the first one witch means FREE exhaust for me yay :D:D:D:D:sfa:

Where is Gibson located?

Corona, CA. Let us know how it comes out........

Corona, CA. Let us know how it comes out........

For sure if your close to corona I'll let you see & hear it for your self. It goes in Monday should have it back by wednesday.

on youtube they have a 2011 with a dpf and def delete with it tuned and a strait piped sounds mean kina like a jet turbine haha thats the link if ya wana c it

YouTube - H&S Performance 2011 6.6L LML Duramax Straight Pipe

Yup sounds awesome but not going to do that until I reach my 100k mile mark there is something to be said about having a warranty. I get my dpf back exhaust tomorrow

on youtube they have a 2011 with a dpf and def delete with it tuned and a strait piped sounds mean kina like a jet turbine haha thats the link if ya wana c it

YouTube - H&S Performance 2011 6.6L LML Duramax Straight Pipe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skVZ3oRWQXI)

I would have kept my '04 if I wanted to see that smoke.
Things are different today with the dealers looking for anything to void your warranty. This is also the first year of this truck with the new mods. You paid big money for your truck and I would not take a chance voiding it.
I work on a lot of trucks with extended warranty and as soon as the inspector walks in the shop and sees bigger tires and any kind of a lift, you are toast. ECM's are checked now to see if a program has been installed.
Be very carefull guys.

Ya no way not dancing with that devil. All thow i am going with over sizes tires but qm not lifting it and and dpf back exhaust and intake if a decent one comes out with a decent price tag on it.

Just droped my truck off at Gibson prorformance exhaust for prototype exaust. Can't wait to see it done

sweet i cant wait til i get my d max but that has a few years to come haha im 18 i gotta get outta hs and college but i think ill go with the 06 lbz because its before the dpf and its when they got away from the 01-04.5 lb7 injector problem and the lly with the overheating.

if i where you id go wit the 07-08 lmm they also dont have dpf or smog junk

the lmm has a diesel particulate filter dont they they regenerate so therefore they haf to

i dont believe the 07 did

hmm i always thought that it changed in early 07 so you are right but ur prolly thinkin of the real early 07s that still had the lbz because the lmm was left relativly unchanged from late 07 to 2010 i think every lmm had a dpf but who knows

all i know is i have a lml and am getting my dpf back exhaust today and yes i did take b4 pictures so can do a side by side compassion

yea haha mabe in 30 years when i get a lml haha not anytime soon haha

hear are some pics of my new wheels with the old tires
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=122647&d=1301519604http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=122648&d=1301519641

I have the new Ram Air intakes for the LML! Give me a call if you need one:D I'll post up more info shortly:thumb:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/149569_171456209551135_146556355374454_480049_5653 855_n.jpg


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/chev_ramair_0708_lmm.jpg

more info... HP gains, MPG gain, and price? :)

^^^^what he said^^^^

Packages will be available, however, due to the proximity of the new fuel tank and the spare tire there will be no dual exhaust for this truck.
Jeff, Will the Bank's Exhaust interfere with aftermarket oversized gas tank (like Titan), or will it be ok? Also, in the youtube video Mr. Banks mentioned that the exhaust temperatures exiting the exhaust are slightly cooler than stock. Have you measured data before the Cool Cuff compared to the stock exhaust?

BWT: Its awesome that you are on these forums answering real questions. We (at least I) will try to follow the thread, not repeat myself, and keep it to the point.

Thanks,
Andy

Let's see here:

Jeff, Will the Bank's Exhaust interfere with aftermarket oversized gas tank (like Titan), or will it be ok? If it doesn't interfere with the factory exhaust then it shouldn't with the Banks kit. Also, in the youtube video Mr. Banks mentioned that the exhaust temperatures exiting the exhaust are slightly cooler than stock. Have you measured data before the Cool Cuff compared to the stock exhaust? Yes we have (see below)

BWT: Its awesome that you are on these forums answering real questions. We (at least I) will try to follow the thread, not repeat myself, and keep it to the point. No problem:D

Thanks,
Andy
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/tailpipe-chart.jpg

Get off the phone, I can't get a hold of you to place my order :)

more info... HP gains, MPG gain, and price? :)

The performance is about the same as the LMM intake at about 39hp peak gain. However, we're still working on a Super Scoop system for it as the LML bumper is very different from the LMM. I'll post up more info as I get it from engineering. If your wondering exactly why it took so long for the LML intake to get released, well the new LML doesn't take kindly to airflow modifications. If the incoming air increases to much it will cause a check engine light, followed by a limp condition. The LMM let you get away with it the LML does not. Give me a call at the number in my sig for pricing:D

Get off the phone, I can't get a hold of you to place my order :)

What you talking about?? I'm sitting right here:D

The Speed Brake will be an electronic braking upgrade for the LML. It's similar to the Speed Brake we have now for the lly-lmm trucks but on the LML it's going to be an enhancment rather then a stand alone brake.

upgrade to the stock LML's exhaust brake???? What the hell does it need an upgrade for? Its already been proven that it (the factory exhaust brake) slows the truck down on a steep grade without using the service brake while towing at max GCWR.

Thats like saying "oh we're coming out with a kit to make duramax's start better in the cold". :confused:

upgrade to the stock LML's exhaust brake???? What the hell does it need an upgrade for? Its already been proven that it (the factory exhaust brake) slows the truck down on a steep grade without using the service brake while towing at max GCWR.

Thats like saying "oh we're coming out with a kit to make duramax's start better in the cold". :confused:

Anybody who's actually used our brake and compared it to the LML would know the difference. Our brake has FAR more braking power and far more control then the LML stock system does. For example here's what Camel says about the two:

"As for the speed brake, drove 1 truck with it----if you want braking get
the speed brake, it worked awesome---no load on it, im a tech at gm dealer and was working on truck, way more braking effort than new lml exhaust brake, waaaaaay more. "

some off topic discussion has been moved to its own thread here.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416598

some off topic discussion has been moved to its own thread here.



Thanks Diaric:D

Has anybody found an aftermarket hood for the 2011 Chevy? Yes I searched, this thread came up...

has anyone put on the banks intake if so what are you seeing?

if i where you id go wit the 07-08 lmm they also dont have dpf or smog junk

All LMM 07.5 to 2010 have DPF emission system.
The LMM started mid season so in 2007 season there was first half 07 LBZ with no DPF and the the LMM took over after that for the new 2007 emission requirements.

Brian

Mike I had a 2003 Duramax with the Banks exhaust and it was pretty loud. Have the made the new exhaust a lot quieter than on the older models. If so I think I will install the Banks exhaust and ram air intake. I have been very happy with the banks products on my other trucks

Bought a new 2011 Duramax a few months ago, and like my other 2 duramax's I would like more power that stock. Dont want to start cuting exhaust off, and dont want to pour the fuel on hard with programers ( and regen like crazy ). I started looking into water/meth as an DPF friendly approach and no black smoke. Has anyone done this on an 11? With the urea injection and o2 sensor(s), DPF, 9th injector in exhaust..... Is water/meth going to make it though all the exhaust Bullsh#$ without thowing codes or worse?

Someone explain to me like I'm a simple Jack,,,, whats the point of the banks exhaust mod?

I want stuff thats going to help with mileage and have never cared about sound.

I'm going to purchase a 2500 2011 in a few weeks and would love to know but i'm a noob, and calling me a noob is an insult to noob's.

Someone explain to me like I'm a simple Jack,,,, whats the point of the banks exhaust mod?

It is purely cosmetic. I did mine because I think it looks nicer and it also allows me to continue to use my rock guard when I tow my rv.

So much to learn. Fun but incredible.

I would agree, the LML's don't even come with a muffler from the factory

Schutzhund, keep it stock, drive it right, and you will get good mileage...

The one mod I would like to see the FACTORY do, is to have a manual upshift... There is no reason when running unloaded and using a light touch on the throttle that it cannot be commanded to shift into 6th at 38 to 40 mph... The engine has the torque to do it... The mileage would jump up a solid 1 or 2 mpg...
With this upshift option - the opposite of tow mode - if the driver gets stupid and stands on the throttle while in 6 at low speed, the computer can simply hold the throttle command steady for the half second while it down shifts and jumps back into the standard shift command mode...

Schutzhund, keep it stock, drive it right, and you will get good mileage...

The one mod I would like to see the FACTORY do, is to have a manual upshift... There is no reason when running unloaded and using a light touch on the throttle that it cannot be commanded to shift into 6th at 38 to 40 mph... The engine has the torque to do it... The mileage would jump up a solid 1 or 2 mpg...
With this upshift option - the opposite of tow mode - if the driver gets stupid and stands on the throttle while in 6 at low speed, the computer can simply hold the throttle command steady for the half second while it down shifts and jumps back into the standard shift command mode...

thanks dude appreciated

I've been test driving a few ever since 2009. The cost always made me run but am in a position now where it won't matter but still want to get a good deal. It's a truck I plan on keeping the rest of my life so we'll see.

So many aftermarket options are a little daunting. My Tundra's been a great truck, in the shop only once in 230k miles. But I like the idea of being able to modify a few things if I need to, so long as I get decent mileage. Tundra gets 15 hwy so I know what I'm getting into.