I have the 120hp hot juice and want to stack it. What works best with the hot juice? My trans./ converter have been upgraded so handling the power should not be a problem. Any info./advice would be a big help.

Most have been stacking the Quadzilla Programmer ....


What tranny buildup do you have ...??


Mac

Most have been stacking the Quadzilla Programmer ....


What tranny buildup do you have ...??


Mac





Mac


did you dyno those two stacked, if so what kind of numbers did you see?

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/926_run131.jpg

mac,


part 2, now what suncoast upgrade will hold those numbers?


thanks,


mike

Depends on who you talk too and how you ultimately plan on using the power your now getting to the ground .....


Talk to Suncoast I'm sure they'll recomend level III min as I would ....


Stage III: Up to 650 RWHP / 1300 lbs. torque:


PRO-LOC® Multi-plate, Billet cover, TransGo® Kit, PowerPack™ Clutch Kit, (Hi-Energy frictions, Steels, and apply plates for the C-1, C-2, C-3 and C-4) Increases clutch capacity 40%


I'd back that up with a Triple lock TC .....





MikeL will tell you a Single converter and Transgo kit and replacement of bad clutches .... How long at 500 plus HP ,who knows ...


Either way your installing the kit ....


I say buy as much tranny as you can .... Tear it down once if you can ...





Mac


Edited by: Mackin

Thanks Mac, I'll Start Looking Into It This Summer, Stage 3 Sound About Right, I'll Have To Check Price. OUCH!! 3 grandEdited by: RUMAXED

I RAN THE HOT OJ/ATTITUDE (145HP) WITH THE QUAD TUNER TODAY AT THE TRACK AND GOT A 13.76 @100MPH. I FEEL IT HAD A BETTER ET IN IT BUT I WAS UP AGAINST THE MPH LIMITERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif. WISHED SOMEONE WOULD GET A FIX FOR THE 01 LIMITER. OTHER THAN A TOTAL REFLASH.

I RAN THE HOT OJ/ATTITUDE (145HP) WITH THE QUAD TUNER TODAY AT THE TRACK AND GOT A 13.76 @100MPH. I FEEL IT HAD A BETTER ET IN IT BUT I WAS UP AGAINST THE MPH LIMITERhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif. WISHED SOMEONE WOULD GET A FIX FOR THE 01 LIMITER. OTHER THAN A TOTAL REFLASH.





not bad penut, how did the powerpup attitude combo make out for yoiu

peanut,

weren't you running low 14's with the stock tranny and hot juice?

NO HIGH 14'S TOMAC. HAVE YOU RAN THIS COMBO AND IF SO WHAT TIMES WERE YOU SEEING. I AM HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH MY QUAD AND HOPE TO GET THEM STRAIGHTENED OUT THIS WEEK.





FRED I FORGOT TO TAKE MY POWERPUP WITH ME. ILL BE SURE TO TAKE IT NEXT TIME

Quad & Edge 145 Juice w/o attitude

12.50@105.XX with a crappy 1.73 sixty foot time

PNUT,


I can run a 13.4 or 13.5 just with the Quad 215 at 100MPH. What was your 60' time? You had to be losing traction or you have some other issue. Was the stack still bursting on you?


What was the weight of the truck?Edited by: BMDMAX

NO BURSTING AT ALL YESTERDAY ILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YO ON THE 60 TIMES THE SLIPS ARE IN THE TRUCK. NO SLIPPING OR SPINNING AT ALLhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I REALIZE THAT IM ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO SO QUICK B4 THE LIMITER STARTS KICKING IN. BUT TO SAY THE LEAST I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH MY TIMES. I HAVE HAD PEOPLE THAT RUN THIS STACK B4 TELL ME THAT THEY HAD THE BEST TIMES WHEN THEY WERE STACKING WITH LEVEL 5 JUICE AND THE 165 TUNE ON THE QUAD INSTEAD OF THE 215 TUNE. I TRIED THIS AND MY TRUCK SLOWED DOWN 2-3 TENTHS. AS I SAID EARLIER I AM HAVING ISSUES WITH THE QUAD BUT WILL GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT THIS WEEK.


DOES ANYONE KNOW IF WHEN THE LIMITER STARTS TO TAKE AFFECT THAT IT STARTS GRADUALLY KICKING IN BEFORE THE 98MPH LIMIT??


BEST I REMEMBER WHEN I WEIGHED IT IT WEIGHED AROUND 6400Edited by: PEANUTGRWR

It's like a switch,fuel shut off .... If your use to it you can hold it right on the limiter and it will just bounce on and off ...


Get yourself a Predator ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

OF COURSE I CANNT FIND THE SLIP WITH MY BEST TIME ON IT BUT MY SECOND BEST WAS A 13.83 60' 1.992, @98.9 MPH

What were your 1/8 mile E.T.'s and speeds? The limiter won't be a factor there.

It's like a switch,fuel shut off .... If your use to it you can hold it right on the limiter and it will just bounce on and off ...


Get yourself a Predator ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif








Am I the only one that feels a hesitation when I cross the now neutered speed limiter???

The ATS copilot takes care of the speed-limiter seamlessly. However if I have the Quad tuner remove the speed-limiter the copilot and Quad fight each other and the speed-limiter wins.

I had code probs with the ATS on mine early on so I yanked the speed wires. I swear that I have "felt" a step with both the Predator and the Quad delimiting the speedo. Edited by: Kennedy

i tell you there is one tuner that hits the limiter and just keeps going smooth and seemlesshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif,but it does seem stupid to have to pay 300 for a tuner to remove the speed limiter when a box you already have is supposed to do it.i am sure quad is working on getting this thing resolved.ack you got the latest greatest tune ...does it remove the speed and rev limits?????BE HONESThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

I am no where near you guys times but I have gotten any where from 1.77 to 1.82 cocnsistently with my 60' times. 13.7 in 1/4 with Quad 165.

i tell you there is one tuner that hits the limiter and just keeps going smooth and seemlesshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif,but it does seem stupid to have to pay 300 for a tuner to remove the speed limiter when a box you already have is supposed to do it.i am sure quad is working on getting this thing resolved.ack you got the latest greatest tune ...does it remove the speed and rev limits?????BE HONESThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Nope ....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

hi john,


i feel the drop/step also and than the truck picks back up. attitude reads 118mph so far running 245/75/16 3356rpm. switching to 265/75/16. should get few more mph. waiting to hit the 125mph on predator.

What were your 1/8 mile E.T.'s and speeds? The limiter won't be a factor there.








60' 1.992


330- 5.755


1/8- 8.856@79.26


1000' @11.552


1/4 13.83 @ 98.9 MPH

dipper ran a 13.4 with his 215 no stack

OOkay,


As I see it, some of the guys here are running well over the speed limiter with limiters removed. Some of the boxes that are supposed to remove speed limiter, don't or have issues. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Some tuners seems to be a hit or miss. It's good to stack the Quad with the Hot Juice; but that is suspect to getting a unit that works correctly. If its not going to remove speed limiter smootly, I need to go in another direction


Frankly I don't need a "hit or miss" item of any product. I have been through that too much over the years. Is it normal for the Quad, Preditor, and other boxes to have quality issues ? I have never had one issue with my Edge Hot Juice.

What were your 1/8 mile E.T.'s and speeds? The limiter won't be a factor there.








60' 1.992


330- 5.755


1/8- 8.856@79.26


1000' @11.552


1/4 13.83 @ 98.9 MPH








PNUT,


Looks like you may not be making all the power you could on the low end. My 1/8th mile with the same stack is 8.3 or 8.4 consistently. Hopefully you will get it resolved! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gifEdited by: BMDMAX

THANKS FOR THE INPUT---------BELIVE ME I AM GOING TO TRYhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Some tuners seems to be a hit or miss. It's good to stack the Quad with the Hot Juice; but that is suspect to getting a unit that works correctly. If its not going to remove speed limiter smootly, I need to go in another direction





It occured to me after reading this thread that I had never been over 96mph, and just assumed the speed limiter was removed. Today, I hit it from 80mph, and was over 105mph before I had a chance to notice if there was any stumble near 96mph. I don't think there was a flat spot, but I'll have to try it again to be sure. All I know is its great to be able to get the power down in 5th.


Is this just an 01 problem?





Edited by: Amric

BMD, WHAT RPM ARE YOU LEAVING THE LINE WITH??? I WAS STALLING UP TO 15-1700. HOW MUCH AFFECT WOULD HIGHER ALTITUDE PLAY WITH THIS AS WELL??

PNUT,


I can't give you an exact answer on the launch RPM because it varies with track conditions. I usually launch with at least 1500 if possible, sometimes the slicks hold and sometimes they don't. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


I don't think there would be too much altitude difference between your track in Texas versus the one here in Georgia and the turbo would negate that effect fairly easily. The track I run at is at 445' MSL. Where are you running at?

3300 MSL BUT THE AIR IS USUALLY MORE LIKE 5500. I SENT THE QUAD OFF TODAY TO GET IT IRONED OUT HOPEFULLY. I STACKED MY 90HP POWERPUP ON THE JUICE. IT DIDNT PERFORM AS WELL AS THE QUAD DID BUT THE EGT'S WERE MORE LIKE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS SEEING. BMD WHAT EGT'S ARE YOU SEEING AT THE FINISH LINE??

Nut,


Did you solve the defueling issue? That could help with the times.

NOT REALLYhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Some tuners seems to be a hit or miss. It's good to stack the Quad with the Hot Juice; but that is suspect to getting a unit that works correctly. If its not going to remove speed limiter smootly, I need to go in another direction





It occured to me after reading this thread that I had never been over 96mph, and just assumed the speed limiter was removed. Today, I hit it from 80mph, and was over 105mph before I had a chance to notice if there was any stumble near 96mph. I don't think there was a flat spot, but I'll have to try it again to be sure. All I know is its great to be able to get the power down in 5th.


Is this just an 01 problem?


Amric,


Your tires height (4" + - over stock)should put you somewhere at 105 +mph with the speed limiter intack if RPM is actually controlled. I'm not sure about whether RPM or actual speed is controlled but I have seen 97 mph+ - with my taller tire.

EGT's after a 1/4 mile blast get very hot. 1800 degrees is easily reachable.


The difference between the SPA probe and the Attitude probe is huge. I see 1300 to 1400 degrees on the SPA and the Attitude sees 1800.


I need a bigger turbo or http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif even a shot of nitrous to cool it down.

EGT's after a 1/4 mile blast get very hot. 1800 degrees is easily reachable.


The difference between the SPA probe and the Attitude probe is huge. I see 1300 to 1400 degrees on the SPA and the Attitude sees 1800.


I need a bigger turbo or http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif even a shot of nitrous to cool it down.





Now the inaccuracy on these guages is very concerning. Its either you have a problem or you may not. I'm trying to choose a guage as well as other combos but....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif





Edited by: gmccall

EGT's after a 1/4 mile blast get very hot. 1800 degrees is easily reachable.


The difference between the SPA probe and the Attitude probe is huge. I see 1300 to 1400 degrees on the SPA and the Attitude sees 1800.


I need a bigger turbo or http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif even a shot of nitrous to cool it down.





Now the inaccuracy on these guages is very concerning. Its either you have a problem or you may not. I'm trying to choose a guage as well as other combos but....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif











There is no problem with the gauges or the pyro's. It all has to do with the probe type. My SPA has a thick, or slow probe. The attitude has a thin, or fast probe. The thin probes react very quickly and will always register higher temps.


I like the thinner probe of the Attitude since I feel it shows a more accurate picture of the spike temps these stacks are reaching. I could replace the slow probe on the SPA gauge for a more accurate comparision but I just have not done it yet.


Steady state operation, such as idle or cruising down the road shows the probes to be generally within +/- 20 degrees of each other.

BMDMAX,


That is good news (guages are actually reading close). I will pay attention to probe size on my EGT choice or just go with attitude.


I did read another post where Kennedy said that most boxes will give atleast 1600° EGT readings in a 1/4 mile run. So when you are seeing 1800° on the Attitude its probably correct + - . http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Uugg isn't that too high ? A larger turbo may help or even twins.


Sounds like my high speed runs may have to be restricted to an 1/8 th mile, if I stack boxes.

I do think that the EGT's are high but it only hits that peak for a few seconds.


I have over 100 1/4 mile passes plus daily duties running stacked and nothing has melted yet. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


If you are only doing it occasionally I would not worry too much.

I do think that the EGT's are high but it only hits that peak for a few seconds.


I have over 100 1/4 mile passes plus daily duties running stacked and nothing has melted yet. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


If you are only doing it occasionally I would not worry too much.








Thats good to here. Thanks for the input.

PNUT,


I can't give you an exact answer on the launch RPM because it varies with track conditions. I usually launch with at least 1500 if possible, sometimes the slicks hold and sometimes they don't. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


I don't think there would be too much altitude difference between your track in Texas versus the one here in Georgia and the turbo would negate that effect fairly easily. The track I run at is at 445' MSL. Where are you running at?








Something to consider when comparing trucks. In every case I have personally seen, 4x4's have better 60ft times due to a wicked launch but have slower MPH. Obviously I am comparing near equal power levels. I would assume this has to do with areodynamic's and loss of HP due to driving the transfer case and front axle.


Some great times though.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BMD ABOUT THE DIFFERENT THICKNESS OF THE PROBE BUT, WHY WOULD I SEE SUCH A DIFFERENCE IN EGT'S PP VS QUAD??

PNUT,


I have two probes in my truck, one on each bank. That is where I was comparing the difference in EGT's for any given combination or program I am running between the two probes.


As far as the different temps you are seeing between the PP and the Quad it is the programs. Are you comparing like tunes? Which one is running hotter? A 215 tune will call for more fuel and make more heat than a 135. Without knowing what you are comparing I can only guess. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

IM COMPARING MY 90 HP BULLY DOG TUNE AGAINST MY 215 QUAD TUNE. THE BULLY DOG IS LOTS HOTTER EGT'S THAN THE QUAD. DOESNT MAKE SENSE DOES IT??http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

IM COMPARING MY 90 HP BULLY DOG TUNE AGAINST MY 215 QUAD TUNE. THE BULLY DOG IS LOTS HOTTER EGT'S THAN THE QUAD. DOESNT MAKE SENSE DOES IT??http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUEL BEING DUMPED AND NO WAY TO BURN IT........AND A LACK OF TIMING TOO.


DOES IT SMOKE GOOD PEANUT........


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifNY

Nutty Buddy


Its the differance between timing,cooler and Fuel hotter ...


So if BD has enough fuel with less timing you'll see Heat ....


If you could add some timing you will drop the EGT's ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

You guys are missing the point......


He is not getting any of the same results from the box everyone else is getting. I ran a 13.4 with only the 215 that Peanut has on his truck right now. He only ran a 13.7 with the 215 and the Juice. He is having an issue with either the truck or the box. It was an early version although, one that says it is the 150 tune or something, but after you select that part, it says when installing the 215 tune.....I know some of the newer versions read a little different when loading.....you guys who have them know what I'm talking about.

Can't he get it upgraded?

Sounds like somebody pulled a fast one to me. I would say it's not a 215 tune or it's a defective tuner that you were sold.

I DUNNO TIME WILL TELL WHAT I HAVEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif, THE BOX/TUNER SAYS 150HP TUNE REQUIRES A THERMOCOUPLE ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO GO ANY FURTER. THEN WHEN YOU CLICK OR PUSH "Y" IT SAYS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT "215 TUNE IS BEING ADDED TO YOUR STOCK DATA. TO ME THATS JACKED UP. I MEAN HELL IF ITS A 215 TUNER WHY THE HELL DOES IT SAY 150HP TUNE TO BEGIN WITH. I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OTHERS THAT HAVE A 215 HAVE SEEN THIS AS WELL. SURE NOT SAYING THEY ALL DO THIS BUT I KNOW OF SEVERAL THAT DOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif QUAD, WHATS UP WITH THIS???Edited by: PEANUTGRWR

I'll match anybody's time/speed in the 1/4 mile with my Banks Six-Gun w/speedloader, and nothing else!

ah let the bench racing begin http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

13.83 with "only" attitude set on level 4.. Haven't got a run with just attitude on level 5.. I know it's not like the 215, though it's not bad for juice..

I DUNNO TIME WILL TELL WHAT I HAVEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif, THE BOX/TUNER SAYS 150HP TUNE REQUIRES A THERMOCOUPLE ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO GO ANY FURTER. THEN WHEN YOU CLICK OR PUSH "Y" IT SAYS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT "215 TUNE IS BEING ADDED TO YOUR STOCK DATA. TO ME THATS JACKED UP. I MEAN HELL IF ITS A 215 TUNER WHY THE HELL DOES IT SAY 150HP TUNE TO BEGIN WITH. I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OTHERS THAT HAVE A 215 HAVE SEEN THIS AS WELL. SURE NOT SAYING THEY ALL DO THIS BUT I KNOW OF SEVERAL THAT DOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif QUAD, WHATS UP WITH THIS???





Peanut


The Quad box has more timing in the 215 program then most .... This is why your seeing such a differance in EGT's ....


Although my present box does say the tune prior to loading the version you have is old ....


When George got his programmer I'd be willing to bet the 215 tune was real new and as you say why would it pop up on the screen ... Would make NO sense ...


Nontheless if it was sold to you by George and he said it was a 215 it is ...I also believe Quad will square this away by loading in the newest version ...


If you still have doubts ,I'll send you mine for comparison ...


Now go on a friggen diet so your truck has better times ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Sounds like somebody pulled a fast one to me. I would say it's not a 215 tune or it's a defective tuner that you were sold.


Sorry you feel that way about me Brandon......I can tell ya, I'm more honest than most...some here can vouch for me.....I think.


As for the 215, I originally got the 165 probably before they were released. After talking to Quad, he decided I needed more....told me to send it back....got it back on a Friday, loaded the 215 and went to the track....13.4. Believe what you want.....


Quad took care of it the first time, I think he will do the same for you now Peanut...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I'll match anybody's time/speed in the 1/4 mile with my Banks Six-Gun w/speedloader, and nothing else!











http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

I'll match anybody's time/speed in the 1/4 mile with my Banks Six-Gun w/speedloader, and nothing else!





I think somebody put on a fire suit and is ready for some heathttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

I DUNNO TIME WILL TELL WHAT I HAVEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif, THE BOX/TUNER SAYS 150HP TUNE REQUIRES A THERMOCOUPLE ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO GO ANY FURTER. THEN WHEN YOU CLICK OR PUSH "Y" IT SAYS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT "215 TUNE IS BEING ADDED TO YOUR STOCK DATA. TO ME THATS JACKED UP. I MEAN HELL IF ITS A 215 TUNER WHY THE HELL DOES IT SAY 150HP TUNE TO BEGIN WITH. I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OTHERS THAT HAVE A 215 HAVE SEEN THIS AS WELL. SURE NOT SAYING THEY ALL DO THIS BUT I KNOW OF SEVERAL THAT DOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif QUAD, WHATS UP WITH THIS???





Just Got Mine Back Today And It Also Says 150hp.....ver. 1.20

fact is the 01 truck with out either a copilot or a steve cole rflash to raise the rpms isnt gonna run much better.you seee since the Quadzilla 215 still doesnt have the ability to raise the engine rpms under full throttle runs the truck will approach redline and drop power ,a few exttra rpms,say the 4400 the 02s,3s and some 04s get and i bet nut is low 13s.and just another point to mention,i was actually on the phone with quad while he was reflashing dippers box to the 215 tune.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Sounds like somebody pulled a fast one to me. I would say it's not a 215 tune or it's a defective tuner that you were sold.


Sorry you feel that way about me Brandon......I can tell ya, I'm more honest than most...some here can vouch for me.....I think.


As for the 215, I originally got the 165 probably before they were released. After talking to Quad, he decided I needed more....told me to send it back....got it back on a Friday, loaded the 215 and went to the track....13.4. Believe what you want.....


Quad took care of it the first time, I think he will do the same for you now Peanut...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif








Big D,


I had nary a clue as to who sold the box to PNUT. I thought it was an ebay deal and we all know how easy things can go wrong with that route.


When I see a 4WD truck that weighs less than my 2WD, is cutting pretty good 60' times and is running over a half second slower running the same stacks I have then something is hinky. A defective tuner or a shady deal was what came to mind first after reading everything else PNUT told me.


I certainly meant no harm or foul on your character and I apologize if I did so. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif Let's hope a reflash of the tuner will solve the problem for PNUT. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Thanks,


Brandon

Edited by: PEANUTGRWR