Hey everyone, well just finished with the LUX upgrade of the BOSE system. BIG thanks to smshiver who sent me the steps and got me the mic. Smshiver, thanks for putting up with all my email and for standing by via cell if I needed you.

Put in a LUX '03 HUMMER Bose 6 CD headunit with matching LUX Bose amp. All I have to say is..... :eek: WOW :eek: .......what a big difference. If you are running the PRIM setup, you got to upgrade.....you will love it. The process involves relocating pins on the 2 connectors and other stuff. Well I just happend to get a wiring harness from an Escalade and cut off the 2 connector for it. Then just tapped into the OEM wiring harness...matching the pin relocation diagram. Basically making pigtails and having 2 sets for both connectors. Then adding the mic harness and tapping into the DATA wire from the rear seat controller.

It was a big job and I thought there was no way I could perform this. But I just followed the instructions and it went smooth. Plugged in the radio unit and it worked. I am VERY HAPPY with the upgrade and if you were ever thinking of doing it.....DO IT!!!! Here are some pic:

Very nice :cool2:

Thanks Kat. I like it VERY much. The install came out clean and the sound.... O Da Sound :ro) .



LATER!

Bodysurfer beat me to the punch! I was going to do a thread just like this one. :ro) So, if he doesn't mind, I'll add my experience to this.

Doug is right.....the difference in sound quality is real. The LUX amp makes cleaner sound up past 3/4 volume, and it is LOUD! (I mean it's "the kids ask ME to turn it down" loud!) The original premium Bose amp would get distorted at about 1/2 volume, this LUX amp does not. The speakers seem to handle it all well, too... I set the bass at three bars above center, and the treble at one bar above center, and it sounds good. "Shake Me" by Cinderella just about blasted me out of the truck at 3/4 voulme....and my favorite all time "More Than a Feeling" by Boston sounds veryyyy good (love that guitar solo).

Yeah, I know...whos going to use that, right? And why not just go aftermarket? Well, I'm not into "thumpin", never was, and I like the stock radios (yeah..I'm odd that way). I just wanted better sound quality out of the stock unit. I got that with this swap. What I found was the premium amp muddies the highs, and the lows were just not there. Also, the sound OUTSIDE the truck is WAY better! I can open the truck's windows and run the stereo when working around the yard, and it sounds like I'm INSIDE the truck! The lux amp actually uses the subwoofer, and I think has a much better defined crossover for the mid/high ranges. The sound fields included are also very nice to have. I was amazed at the illusion of extra volume I got when switching to "rear" or "spacious". Those two setting actually use the rear door speakers, which normally are just filler. The only thing I noticed that was disappointing was there was no midrange level adjustment (like what DuratotheMax stated), which is still livable. Other than that....SWEET!

These were my observations on the install (reprinted from a PM I send to the 5 guys that got this swap rolling:

I guess maybe I should join JJ's AAAA club, because I really took my time, made sure I had the instructions right, and soldered every connection. No sense doing a half ass job. eh? Those new "cold heat" soldering irons are super-slick! Easiest soldering I've ever done (and if you knew me...that is saying something!)

I was confused by the diagram showing the drain wire on C1 with an arrow pointing from B12 to B6, until I realized that it was the drain wire for the RSA controls, and is removed along with all those wires. Otherwise, the diagrams and instructions were very clear.

I even ran the microphone for the NCV, placed that in the Tahoe spot (screwed into the console frame not the console side), with veryyy small holes drilled in the console trim side. Looks like it should be there.

The amp removal was easy (although it takes a little time) if you use a 9/32 ignition wrench on the front bolts, then move the little tan plastic "nuts" to the extra two square holes farther up and out in the console frame for the LUX amp screws. Also, I trimmed off the front rib on the front amp mount ears to facillitate installing the front screws (again...with the 9/32 ignition wrench).

I also found that putting a 6-disc in this truck to compliment the NAV would be a snap. The only things missing to do it are the wiring harness and the holes for the hold-down screws in the console frame. You just cut the pocket out of the way neatly, and you'd be all set.

Tested the unit by fooling the Theftlock (I HATE THEFTLOCK!) by doing the "key in acc/pull radio fuse for 30 sec" trick. It sounds excellent, and a WHOLE lot louder than the previous. It was clear all the way up to 3/4 volume (I didn't attempt to go farther...I'm sure the neighbors already knew I was listening to Boston's "More Than a Feeling"!) and I was impressed by the different auto EQ settings. I noticed I don't have the "Midrange" adjustment, though. Just the normal options like on my previous unit. It still rocks. All the radio functions work great, too.
"Rear" certainly blasts louder than all the rest. I also tested my XM, and everything worked well....heck, I still had my presets!

Lastly, I tested my RSA controls, and they worked fine! Don't ask me how they work fine, I'm still trying to figure out how it works with no wiring to the amp....LOL

Lastly, I used a radio out of an early-03 H2 (15179349), so I had to take it into the dealer and have the VIN changed (or in other words..the theftlock removed). This was by far the most painful part of the process, since most dealer techs and service writers are just not trained to do this kind of work....they act like robots, with no creative thinking. I specifically asked the writer and tech to do a VIN relearn only, since the programming in the radio is already correct. I told both of them what was entailed in the swap, and the option code that it now was (Y91) and the code for the radio (UC6). I even gave the tech the sheet Ben made up of the VIN relearn procedure for the NAV.

Well, wouldn't ya know it...the tech comes back 20 minutes later and tells me "the radio won't work...it shows 'No Signal' in the display and I don't know how to get it to work." So, we go out to the truck. I ask him what he did. He said he reprogrammed it, and the Tech 2 now says the amp won't work. Well, duh. So...I explain the diffs between the non-Y91 Bose and the Y-91 Bose systems to him, and explain that he now had programmed the radio BACK to non-Y91 status. Of course it won't work...I would now have to reinstall the old amp, and that defeated the purpose of the swap. I was pissed, because I thought of Minn-kota, but I didn't get mad. I was thinking "How do I get this to work now?"

He was at a loss, and even told the writer (who had come up to ask how it was going) that he messed up the radio and he should have listened to me in the first place (when have you EVER heard that said at a dealer!!!!)
So, how did we fix it, you ask? Surprisingly simple! I wish Minn-kota would have thought of this, before he gave up on his swap.

Since we need the proper VIN to access the specific GM TIS prgrammming (it won't access by model vehicle...stupid if you ask me) and since my VIN won't access Y91 radio programming (since it's not an option), I brainstormed that we needed a VIN for an Escalade, Denali, or early-03 H2 to get to the Y91 Bose program. Thank God we didn't have to call GM Techline (they aren't open on Saturday), because all that programming is in the dealer computer now.

Now...where to find a VIN? After a little thought...it came to me! AUTOTRADER! Of course! They include VIN numbers! :muahaha: Find a VIN for an Escalade (we used one from an '05, but I think any year 03-up will work), write down the VIN. Look up the VIN on the GM network (like the VIN checks GMCSID does for us) to doublecheck its option codes for Y91. :ro) If it doesn't have Y91 in the options (which I think would be VERY rare), get another Escalade VIN. Get the proper TIS programming based on that VIN, and download it into the Tech 2. :ro) Install said programming into your truck! :ro) BINGO BABY!!!! We now have LUX!

Since reprogramming the radio ALSO removes the theftlock (a very nice added bonus!) after 10 minutes, the radio fired right up! You all should have seen that tech's face! He was amazed that it worked, but when I explained to him about what the programming really did...that look of realization came over him! So..after spending 1 1/2 hours with the tech (I had to pay one hour time...damn those dealers charge a buttload of cash!!) I was a happy camper! I even tipped the tech (which I don't normally do) because he worked WITH me to find the solution. I even found out that this dealer valued my business, and didn't think I was a PITA!

One other thing I found during the reprogram is this: I surmise that ANY UC6 out of a GMT800-type truck can be programmed to do this swap. I say only those ones because the Trailblazer/Envoy, etc type UC6's don't have the right interfaces for XM, LUX, etc inside them. You can tell the diff by the word "Band" on the left-most lower button (next to the "tune" knob) of the proper radio. If it says "AM/FM" its the wrong type.

Since the Tech2 and TIS do not specify that certain radio part numbers be used with certain programming, that the only parameter is the vehicle VIN (and that doesn't even really matter except to SELECT the proper radio reprogram)...I'm willing to bet that you can reprogram a Premium Bose UC6 over to LUX as long as you use the LUX amp and do the rewiring needed! GO FOR IT!

I didn't take any pics of my install, since it seemed very straight forward and the instructions are THAT GOOD! The whole swap took me about 6 hours (because I am anal). I want to thank the following DPers for their assistance:

DuratotheMax...(Ben...you rock! what more can I say?) :ro)
smshriver.........(Steve....I can't tell you how impressed I was with your instructs, and your PM help!)
C.A.P..............(thanks for your PM help! BTW..you don't need new stuff! LOL)
mwgasman.......(Mike......your support got me through that wiring confusion!)
Diesel Dragon....(darn smart aleck....you driving that amp price up on Ebay forced me to find one at a boneyard....FOR CHEAP! Thanks much! You saved me $$!..and also for the PM help!)
Minn-kota.........(because if you didn't try, I wouldn't have known what to do when my Tech screwed up. Thanks for being a pioneer, even if it didn't work.)

This was another example of why this site is the BEST!!!!
People helping others to make something better!

You all rock! :ro)

TheBac, thanks for the input. This was the most involved upgrade I did my self. Well worth it !!!!!


LATER!

Well just got in the truck this morning and started it to go to the car wash and now the radio says "LOCKED". Crap......

Now do I have to go to the dealer and see if they can unlock it by putting in the VIN? I heard some stories here that the dealer can mess it up by programming the radio for the vehicle and not just the VIN #. Am I right or is there anyother way to work around?

LATER!

heh heh......Hope your dealer's so-called technicians are better than mine....Censored

When mine was working with the theft-loc temporarily bypassed, it did sound better, but it wasn't THAT dramatic and I was a little disappointed after all the hype that's posted about it :blahblah: . Having midrange adjustment capabilities was another big factor in doing the swap, but it ended up being a myth. A midrange EQ can really clean up the sound, IMO.

I don't feel like I'm missing much, especially for all the BS I went through. But, I did end up with a 6-disc HU in the end. :rolleyes:

I wish Minn-kota would have thought of this, before he gave up on his swap.


I did think of this, but I was hesitant to start messing around with VIN's and possibly messing up my BCM as I was not sure how far this was going to go. I tried to get some answers here and other sites, but all I got was a bunch of maybes, mights, shoulds and coulds, and not sure's. That's not enough proof to risk it, especially when a clueless dealership donkey is running the Tech2.:knight:

bac thanks , if any body else needs help feel free to PM me as I have a prety good in at specmo, Delphi,s largest repair facility,

Tom--- Great to hear all is well with that upgrade!!! And thanks for the shout-out!:D I was glad I was able to help you and others get on their way to how a REAL Bose system should sound!!! I wrote you LONGGG PM about how the RSA works and how it works differently with each amp, but wouldnt you know it my computer froze right as I was finishing it!:mad: I meant to retype it but it slipped my mind. If you are still curious, PM me and ill explain it. Anyway, congrads on getting it done and great job with working thru that little "problem" at the dealer! I bet the they were scratching their heads when you explained how the lux amps work etc... Even tho it is kinda complicated, I do give GM credit for the set-up, because it is kinda clever how the whole deal works...controlling the amp thru the Class II data-bus and all. I wonder who thought that whole system up!:rolleyes: Any other questions, feel free to ask...and I encourage others to go for this great mod as well.

---Ben

Well just got in the truck this morning and started it to go to the car wash and now the radio says "LOCKED". Crap......

Now do I have to go to the dealer and see if they can unlock it by putting in the VIN? I heard some stories here that the dealer can mess it up by programming the radio for the vehicle and not just the VIN #. Am I right or is there anyother way to work around?

LATER!

Anyone here have an answer for me regarding the "LOCKED" problem? Sux driving now with no radio after the long hours I spent on Sat doing the install.

Thanks bros...

LATER!

Yeah, go into the dealer and get the Theftloc removed. Do as Bac said in his post above and make sure they don't reprogram....just unlock it. But, that's what I told my dealer to do and they said they had to reprogram to relearn the VIN so you may run into the same crap. I'd have a VIN for a Escalade or 2003H2 in my pocket when you go in because you'll probably end up needing it.....

Anyone here have an answer for me regarding the "LOCKED" problem? Sux driving now with no radio after the long hours I spent on Sat doing the install.

Thanks bros...

LATER!

Sorry for the delay, Doug. Just sent you an involved PM about it. Read in my post about my re-VIN. It sound tough, but in reality only took the tech 15 minutes to do it right.

You may even just want to skip the VIN relearn, and just get them to install the Escalade Y91 Bose program right from the get go. Like I said above, one bonus of reprogramming is that it erases all previous VIN info, so your radio automatically learns your VIN and fires right up.

Minn---man I'm so sorry. I know you were pissed about this. I figured the programming doesnt actually "install" a VIN into the radio...it actually allows it to learn yours, like its supposed to. I can't see it harming any other thing in the truck.

Yeah, go into the dealer and get the Theftloc removed. Do as Bac said in his post above and make sure they don't reprogram....just unlock it. But, that's what I told my dealer to do and they said they had to reprogram to relearn the VIN so you may run into the same crap. I'd have a VIN for a Escalade or 2003H2 in my pocket when you go in because you'll probably end up needing it.....

Thanks for the info Minn-Kota. Now when you say "get the Theftloc removed", is that having them deleting it or relearn my VIN or some other code? I just want to get it done right the first time. Having no radio now SUCKS !!!Wish there was a better way to solve this then going to the dealer and HOPE they dont trash it and waste my time (and $) from all the work I did on Sat.


LATER!

Don't sweat it. Everyone that uses a used radio for this swap will have to go to the dealer for a VIN relearn, or have a repair facility (like Specmo in Michigan) "clear" the radio to make it work. Just factor that expense into the cost of the swap.

A used radio will work fine in ACC, but when you turn the key to RUN the first time, it'll lock right up. Thats the wonderful TheftLoc in action. Just re-read my post above. If you keep a cool head, its not that bad, and you get to teach a Tech a new trick!

I'm just wondering if you won't have to do the radio re-program everytime after it is told to relearn the VIN for these 6-discs? Like I said before I can't get a straight answer about this so it's just a guess, but if the radio relearns your truck's VIN (to clear the theftloc) it then thinks it's a Silverado 6-disc (non-lux) which were/are available in the trucks as an option and now the previous H2 Lux programming that came with your Ebay special is history This is where Bac and myself were at after the Tech did his magic. :rolleyes: You then have to dig up a valid VIN of a vehicle with the Y91 option code and reprogram the radio, but the theftloc was removed in step one of the VIN re-learn so now you're good to go.

From what I've been told, when the radio is told to "VIN relearn", the previous programming is gone (Escalade/Denali/2003 H2 Y91) and it loads the current vehicles option (non-Y91 in our trucks) based on the new VIN it now knows.

Everything Bac said earlier in his long post happened exactly the same to me. They even tried to tell me something was wrong with the amp (same with Bac) because it threw an error code after he nuked my head unit programming. I was fairly certain that it was because of that and told him it WAS working last night while in the garage. We were stuck on what to do from that point and I wanted to try a H2 VIN but they were already skeptical as to if this would work in the first place and I had already used about two hours of their time up on a supposed 1/2 hour job. At least they didn't charge me.

The relearn procedure should not make any changes to the radio's existing programming, all it does is ID the radio to the BCM and let the radio "talk" to it. It doesn't tie the VIN to the radio programming itself. BUT if your dealer insists that they can't do a VIN relearn without reprogramming the radio, then MAKE them use an Escalade VIN to access the proper Y91 programming in the FIRST PLACE! All you are using the Caddy VIN for is looking up in their system the proper program to use, since our VIN's don't associate with Y91 Bose audio. THE CADDY VIN WILL NOT BE PROGRAMMED INTO YOUR TRUCK!

What will happen is the reprogram will automatically erase any previous VIN info, and allow the radio to do its job, and relearn your truck's VIN. It'll work fine. Maybe it would be easier to just skip a VIN-relearn, and just reprogram the Caddy info into the radio, since it will erase the old VIN and allow the radio to read yours....two steps in one.

Minn....your service writer and tech were nitwits, but I took the info you posted, and some original thinking, and got it to work. Thats why I tipped the tech, even though he was the one that screwed up....he worked with me to fix it. We even went past closing time (1PM) by 10 minutes to get it to work.

The relearn procedure should not make any changes to the radio's existing programming, all it does is ID the radio to the BCM and let the radio "talk" to it. It doesn't tie the VIN to the radio programming itself. BUT if your dealer insists that they can't do a VIN relearn without reprogramming the radio, then MAKE them use an Escalade VIN to access the proper Y91 programming in the FIRST PLACE! All you are using the Caddy VIN for is looking up in their system the proper program to use, since our VIN's don't associate with Y91 Bose audio. THE CADDY VIN WILL NOT BE PROGRAMMED INTO YOUR TRUCK!.

Tom--- :exactly: RIGHT!!! you got the hang of all this stuff! Once you learn the basics of how the system works, its kinda like common sense figuring out the rest of it and the details of it...it all sounds complicated at first, but its like a puzzle with 10000 pieces...once they all start to fit together, the whole thing all makes sense and you can figure out the rest easilly.:) I gotta save up for a Tech II...man id have so much fun with that thing...when I finally save up enough, everyone can send radios this way for programming!!:grd: Its really too bad that some technitians are so blinded and robotic. I dont know what is so hard about listening to us when we want them to do something! Even if we say "i dont care if this could potentially smoke my BCM...the outcome of this has no effect on you and you have nothing to do with it!! What is wrong with just doing what we say? Its not hurting you! Worst possible case scenario: the BCM gets fried (this would never happen) and we pay for a new one!!" they still remain stubborn and wont do it. What is wrong with them??? It certainly is possible to do a VIN-relearn on a radio without a complete firmware/software reprogram...the technitian was actually a nice guy and did just what I told him with the Tech II (it was so awesome being within reach of a Tech 2!!:D ) and the radio fired right up no problems. I dont think he really followed what I was telling him about the LUX amp and stuff, but he still did what I told him after I said "I accept all responsibility if this nukes my BCM etc..."". Thats the way it should be!!!

----Ben

Ben...Thanks for the compliment, but I gotta tell you, your post could scare some people. :eek: Some would see the words "fry" and "BCM" in the same sentence and forget everything else. Maybe you need a disclaimer? :lol:

One thing I would like to see is the complete Tech 2 VIN relearn procedure written down for both UC6 and Nav units here (maybe as a PDF in smshriver's instructs) so that anyone can print it and hand it to their Tech, so he does the correct procedure in the first place.

Can anyone with a Tech 2 help us with that?


There is no way that the BCM could be hurt by programming the radio. The only thing that'll happen is the radio won't work. In all the reading I've done here for the last 1 1/2 years, a handheld performance programmer is probably the one and only thing that could fry a BCM (as we've seen VERY rarely in the Perf threads...), because you directly affect the BCM program itself. Yeah, someone will chime in with other BCM-frying options.....but thats was the only one I know of.

ON EDIT: Went out this morning and fired the truck up, and the radio works FINE! Just like yesterday. The reprogram works as advertised...no ill effects.

Oh, BTW Ben...I like that idea of owning a Tech 2 and doing radio reprograms as a service. You could run it on Ebay (say for $50) and pay for that Tech 2 pretty quick, considering how many people are beginning to change these radios (the Tech at my dealer said they do A LOT of them...funny how he didn't know how to do mine....)

Tom, wish your tech was here to do mine. Really not looking forward to going to the dealer and getting denied to do it or having them F my radio/setup up. Only have 2 dealerships real close to me....one by my house and the other where I purchased my truck from. Both busy dealerships and dont think they both have the time for some personal sit-down time for me.....you know California....rush, rush, rush.

Anyway, will keep all of you posted of what happens next.

LATER!

The Lux is equipped to run rear pillar mounted twiddlers, similar to the front pillar tweets, that add to the ambience. Did anyone add those?

Just curious.

I thought about doing that, but then decided it was more trouble than its worth mounting the twiddlers so they look "factory". Its a thought tho, and id be curious if anyone does it.

---Ben

Yeah, I wondered what "Twiddlers" were. You'd have to cut them into the rear pillars, run the speaker wires to the amp, and use the remaining 4 connector ends you cut off (from the RSA controls) to hook them up.

Tom, wish your tech was here to do mine. Really not looking forward to going to the dealer and getting denied to do it or having them F my radio/setup up. Only have 2 dealerships real close to me....one by my house and the other where I purchased my truck from. Both busy dealerships and dont think they both have the time for some personal sit-down time for me.....you know California....rush, rush, rush.

Anyway, will keep all of you posted of what happens next.

LATER!

Hey Bodysurfer,

How about contacting Clyde (socaldieseltech)? Last I knew he worked at a dealer in OC and has his own side business going (http://www.wcdieselperformance.com/). I wonder if he could help with this?

Hey Bodysurfer,

How about contacting Clyde (socaldieseltech)? Last I knew he worked at a dealer in OC and has his own side business going (http://www.wcdieselperformance.com/). I wonder if he could help with this?

HEy Nosparks, ya I know Clyde. I already PM'ed him. Thanks anyway for the suggestion. Going down to my dealer this morning (Tues). Will see how it goes.


LATER!

I'll talk to a dealer down the street from me Doug, I'm sure we can :grd:, just let me know when!

I'll talk to a dealer down the street from me Doug, I'm sure we can :grd:, just let me know when!

Copy that Clyde, I'm up for it ASAP. Sux with no tunes driving around in traffic everyday. You know what I mean..... IE to OC and OC to IE.

Going to Classic Chevy in the morning (Tues) and see if they can/will do it and if so, do it right. Will let you know how it goes as soon as I leave there dealer.

LATER!

Well just got back for the dealer and my radio upgrade is still a "NO-GO". I informed them and showed them all the stuff from here and the TACH II showed a LOST of communications after entering the "relearn" process. While talking to them, it seem they didnt like the different VIN process. I did tech the service writer, tech and service manage a few things about the relearn. I explained to the writer what I wanted and showed him some of the info from here. Then while waiting, he brought the service manager to met me. I showed him the write up on the "relearn" process and he said...oh thats a simple relearn, should take about 1/2 hr and cost of $35. So I waited a little longer and then the manager came to me and told me to follow him to the bay. I thought...oh crap, they mess the whole thing up. He showed me the TACH II and walked thur the write up sheet from here on his TACH. It displayed a LOST OF COMMUNICATION at the final. He said that is all he could do and at least we (the dealership) tried. I wasnt too happy after getting there a 7am and leaving the dealership at 8:45am empty handed....at least he didnt charge me.

Well took off and stopped at PepBoys parking lot and reprogramed my truck with my HyperTech. Then called TheBac (member here) to whine:( . By the way, nice talking to you. He is going to look into this so more. So, now back to the drawing board. Hey Clyde, any info on your end? Will try to call you later.

So the day was :( .

He said that is all he could do and at least we (the dealership) tried. I wasnt too happy after getting there a 7am and leaving the dealership at 8:45am empty handed....at least he didnt charge me.

So the day was :( .


Dealership donkeys at your service :knight:


Sounds like a story I know all too well.............................

"What's with all the negative waves, man?.........:crazy: "

Doug, went back to my dealer and talked to the Tech. He was very happy the stereo was working great! (So am I)

He looked up the calibrations we used based on the Caddy VIN I sent you. Its the same one we used.

This info is in the TIS-2000 computer, under "Calibration Selection"; each selection leads to a menu for the next one:

......Header.........Part number.....Description........
-------------------------------------------------------
Operating System..15100937......new calibration to correct no audio output from speakers (UC6 radios)
Tuner..................15064112......North America/domestic
Audio..................15064134......for c/k/h2: UQ7 with Y91/Y92. for s/t: with UQA, "amp" appears in Class 2 message monitor, amp w/3 connectors
Equalizer..............15126143......new calibrations to reduce chime volume
System................15100939......new calibration to correct no audio output from speakers (UC6 radios)

There was also a column for "current part number". but all those blanks read "unknown".

There were other programs we could have selected as we went through the process, but those above are the programs we used. My radio fired right up. No problems.

It's funny, but now that he knew what to look for, he ran my vehicle's VIN and noted that using my VIN also allowed him to access those EXACT SAME programs. I think its because originally he was looking for premium Bose programs, not LUX. That was an interesting bit of info right there.

I sure hope that helps you guys.

BTW...that quote up top was from "Kelly's Heroes"....Donald Sutherland

Tom, thx for getting that info. But, really what should I do with that now? Since I dont know really what I'm telling the dealer and the dealer has no damn clue, I really dont know what me next step should be. Driving to and from work everyday without a radio is getting to be a pain is the @ss.

At work now and will be checking in here later throughout the night. Damn, this SUX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LATER!

Well, what did Clint say? Would his buddy at his dealership do it? All those are, are the program selections to upload to the Tech 2. I can't believe that even if you gave them the concrete numbers that they wouldn't do it. They just didn't want to go searching is what I gathered from our conversation.

Since they didn't charge you today, I'd go back and ask them to access those specific programs with your VIN. Go back to the tech station with the tech. See if it can be done. If not, access it with the Caddy VIN. OH, make sure you have the radio part number with you just in case. You used a 15179439, too, didn't you? It'll take him all of 15 minutes to do this. If I had a Tech 2 I'd prove it.

In talking to my normal service writer today (he wondered what I needed the calibration info for) he said that GM frowns on dealers doing any "mods" or "upgrades" for customers. GM needs to get better management that realizes vehicles are made to be customized by the customer.

As you said, you spent a lot of time on this....you gotta be firm with the dealer. Keep pushing.

BTW, nice talkin to you today, also. My wife says, "Ok, where was this diesel guy from?"

Thx Tom, nice talking to you also. Did you tell your wife is was a SoCal diesel brother? :D

Well, dont really know if I want to go deal with them again. I would hate to go back and them saying....hey we already tried to "fix" it for you...and wasting more of my time. I havent heard from socaldieseltech (Clyde) yet. Hopefully he will chime in tonight. Maybe I should try another dealer....crap....I dont know. :mad:


LATER!

Yeah...I told her you were from SoCal! Still thinks I'm crazy. Honestly, though, I think she also realizes I really enjoy this!

BTW...you're in the right at the dealer. You're the customer. My dealer is the same one that tried twice unsuccessfully to install another UC6 in a previous truck I owned. I don't feel sheepish to go ask them to try....heck, it's my money. If they treat you like crap, just go to another one.

Tom--- great findings on those software/program part numbers!!! Now we're at the point where people could potentially program their current Premium UC6's to speak "LUX"!!

---Ben

Ya, if you can find a dealer that will "play" that game. I am so pissed even more as the days count on without a radio working. Really dont know what to tell these guys since my last try Tues 8/2/05 and got nothing working.

:mad:

Now I have to decide....roll it back to PREM or stay LUX and deal with trying to find someone to perform the "vin relearn".....

:mad:

Tom--- great findings on those software/program part numbers!!! Now we're at the point where people could potentially program their current Premium UC6's to speak "LUX"!!

---Ben

Ben....sadly, not everybody has the same luck that you and I had with our dealers. The VIN relearn/reprogram situation is discouraging many a person, and the bad pub associated with it is turning people off to the swap. Doug and Minn should never have had to go through this BS. This is too bad.

All my posts in this thread were an attempt to educate, not cheerlead, through my experience, since noone had any experience with a successful reprogram to LUX. I said I surmise that a Premium UC6 could be redone to LUX. We would need a test mule and a Tech 2 to attempt it...because it looks like this swap could be "program sensitive".

I'm sorry Doug....you've got all my info on my successful upgrade. I can't be any more help other than to talk to your tech, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen.

Ben....

I'm sorry Doug....you've got all my info on my successful upgrade. I can't be any more help other than to talk to your tech, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen.

Tom, I know and I thank you so much for all the assistance you have given me via here and on the phone. I really dont know what to do know until I get a hold of socaldieseltech (Clyde) and see if he had any luck talking to the local dealers by his shop.

Would go to another dealer but since I'm not that technical and just hand them printouts from here to look at, I really dont know how/what to tell them to do.

Tell them exactly what you did, and give them the printouts, explaining that the swap already works in another person's truck. If they still balk, give them my phone number...or give me their's so they don't pay long distance.

Doug, call me tomorrow.

Doug, call me tomorrow.

Will do Clyde.....thx brother!

Doug,

Be sure and post a followup. I have been following this thread closely and would like to know how it ends up as I am going to take the plunge with a nav. radio soon.

Dan <><

Okay......its a done deal......:ro) IT WORKS :ro)

A BIG special thanks to Tom, Clyde, Steve and all the others for the know-how and info that was posted. I owe all of you a round...:beerchug:


Basically the "vin relearn" didnt work on my setup after 2 different dealer trys. By the looks of it, the tech just accessed the LUX programs needed and reprogrammed my '03 H2 radio to the new LUX setup.


What was learned today:
1) radio part #15179349 and amp #15054675 work together
2) find a "good" dealer to work with
3) possible to access Y91 programs from a search of truck vins on the TIS
4) very smart people here on DieselPlace who will help you out !!!

Well finally I have tunes and LOVE it. Its a big job with getting the right radio/amp/parts and then rewiring the 2 connectors then getting the dealer to do their magic but its well worth it. So if anyone is looking to do the upgrade or in the middle of it, post a way in this forum. At least now I can join the UPGRADE CREW but I'm the newbie.

Thanks again Tom for the phone talk today while sitting at the dealer. I was ready with printouts and everything you told me. :bow:

Later, Doug.

Doug...fun talkin to you! I am very glad that Clyde and his dealer friends were able to help you. In the end, the legwork was worth it. It's just tough to find open-minded techs, is all....and that is GM's fault, not ours.

AS A DISCLAIMER: If you perform the LUX amp/ NAV-UC6 upgrade as described in the "Bose??... " thread, this one, and the LUX amp DYI thread, understand that programming the radio is the simplest but, by far, the most frustrating part of the upgrade.

No problem Doug, you should have called me earlier!!! Pretty cool that you didn't have to even say anything to the tech. I spoke with the dealer earlier in the day and got them up to speed on what we were after. I'm stoked, that you're stoked!!!

Allright :D :D !!! We're getting somewhere. I also sweated when I went to the dealer and they said, "not sure if we can do this." They have good techs that think out of the box and a half-hour later, we had a working system.

I added "TheBac's" reprogram info to the instructions in the DIY thread.

No problem Doug, you should have called me earlier!!! Pretty cool that you didn't have to even say anything to the tech. I spoke with the dealer earlier in the day and got them up to speed on what we were after. I'm stoked, that you're stoked!!!

Clyde,

So if I do this install and need a VIN relearn, should I drive on down to your shop on the weekend?

I can't do it at my shop because I don't have a connection to TIS2000. However, I know the dealer near my shop well. The only problem with Saturday is that the tech that did the upgrade for Bodysurfer does not work on Saturdays.

Steve, thanks for including that in the DYI, but I think it should be rewritten since more info came out after my first post. Its just all over this thead. I'll be working on combining all this new info into a short, "easy to understand for installers" email for you this weekend.

Bottom line is this. If you use a NAV radio in this swap, you can do just a VIN relearn. There must be some extra software in the NAV radio that allows it to relearn VINs. If you use a UC6 6-disc, you MUST have the radio reprogrammed to Y91 Bose specs, because thats the only way for that style radio to mat eup to your truck and relearn it's VIN.


In the end, all this swap needed was patience and that good old "trial and error" spirit.

I can't do it at my shop because I don't have a connection to TIS2000. However, I know the dealer near my shop well. The only problem with Saturday is that the tech that did the upgrade for Bodysurfer does not work on Saturdays.

Thanks Clyde,

I haven't started this yet. Just looking aheah in case I need a relearn. Appreciate your help. If I need it, I work in Cypress so I would come down during the week.

Thanks Clyde,

I haven't started this yet. Just looking aheah in case I need a relearn. Appreciate your help. If I need it, I work in Cypress so I would come down during the week.

Hey Nosparks, if you need any assistance in the install, get ahold of me. I dont know exactly where you live, I live on the boarder of OC and Riverside (Yorba Linda and Corona), and if you are close, I can come over to help you if you need it.

Its my turn to pass on some knowledge and lend a helping hand.


LATER!

Hey Bodysurfer,

Just say when! Would love to have someone there that's done this. My place or yours (mine has Sam Adams and cigars). I'm just up the 71 to Chino Hills Parkway, then about 4 miles west.

Can any one post the 6 disc radio part numbers that will work? The only part munber I have is the 15179349. I was wondering if there were any other ones to help the shopping get easier. I might actually give this a try.

Also, Dura...what dealer in CT did this re program for you...I'll give them a visit...

Jim

15179349 is the only one PROVEN to work so far. If you can, get the part number of the other radio, and with that and your VIN, go ask your dealer if you can access the proper Y91 Bose programs outlined earlier in this thread. If you can, give it a try. It hasn't been done yet.

JRKRACE--- McDermott Chevrolet/Hummer/Lexus in East Haven is my dealer...great people over there and im sure will fix you up in no time. My truck has a Navigation unit for which the simple "VIN relearn" works on...you dont need to do a full reprogram. But the tech i worked with was very frinedly and helped me out when I told him what to do. Their number is 12034661000...

---Ben

Ben....the UC6's need a full reprogram. The NAV units don't. It's no big deal if you have a dealer willing to do it.

Thanks for catching that, Tom...I wasnt very clear...thats what I meant by "My truck has a nav unit for whicha simple vin relearn works on...." I should have been more clear, sorry everyone....what I MEANT was "...for which a simple VIN relearn works on. You dont need to do a full reprogram [if you have a NAV radio]".

JRKRACE---The Technitian at McDermott was a little confused at first, but then I explained everything to him, how the lux amp works, etc...and he was very interested and understanding. He just said "well as you probably guessed, its not a standard procedure...so I didnt do it at first because I didnt want to screw up your BCM...but as long as you know that it works, just tell me what I should do and id be happy to try it". SO...no, I didnt have to do a full reprogram with the tech, but he was really nice and I think if you talked to him, told him it works and told him that "I accept full responsibilty if this messes anything up in my truck...just do this this and this with the TECH II" I bet hed fix you right up. Give them a call, talk to someone in service and tell them your story.

---Ben

McDermott...Very familiar and a good bunch of guys...I'll give it a try....Has anyone tried to tie in the stock radio with a lux amp? Just wondering, as I'll try it if no other head units come along....

Also, if I understand correctly, if you have an XM truck, you won't have to look for anything special when looking for a head unit. I assume they all work...

JRK, I see you're bidding on that amp on Ebay. Figure about $225 in the end will take it...maybe more if you get snipers.

Nobody has yet tried to get a "normal" Bose head unit to work in this swap. Like I said earlier, get your radio part number, and your VIN. Go to the dealer and see if they can call up the Y-91 (LUX) Bose programs using those numbers. For program numbers see page 2 of this thread. If they can call up those programs, give it a try. If it works, you're money ahead...if not, you have to find a head unit out of a Denali, Escalade or early-03 Hummer

I know for a fact that Nav units can be programed either way. I was looking for a Nav unit to put in my dad's Tahoe and saw one, part number '0706. This is the part number that goes into the H2/H2 SUT's. But the guys description said it can be either "non-lux OR lux"....I was a little skeptical but he said he worked at a dealer and could program it for either. I bought it and asked him to program it for a LUX amp (because the later H2's are all NON-lux)...nav radio arrived, and sure enough, it worked!! This would lead me to beleive that programming a non-lux UC6 to LUX status COULD work...but then again...a simple VIN relearn doesnt work on the UC6's where as it does on the nav radios...so I could be wrong..

---Ben

I lost that amp...252.00! Geez this stuff is getting a little pricey. Wife kinda gave out a mating call during this auction and it was over before I realized.....I gotta check out some wrecked Escalades or Denalis...

Yeah, amps are getting pricey. Best bet nowadays is to go to the boneyard. I got mine for $100.


JRKRACE, give Bodysurfer a PM.....he may have something for you.

Will do...