: EXTREMEly pleased
sdaver 01-16-2004, 05:03 PM Got my extreme ecm from TTS and I can hardy wipe the grin from my face ..It seems stronger than my other high horse stacks.....and is smooth and quiet. Dont seem to have any fuel delivery problems. The fm 100 is keeping up with the demand of the extreme and a couple of things I added. The service was great ordered it monday fed exed the wavier tuesday and had it fed exed to me today...........Nick also got his and Ill let him make his own comments. I'm leaving in a hour or so headed to FT Walton to Suncoast's open house and dyno day. Hope to have some numbers to post soon.
Edited by: sdaver
Diesel Power 01-16-2004, 06:04 PM Dave,
didn't notice you posted.. started another thread. oooops... Here's my view of the TTS Extreme: Ludicrous!! (http://dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/593_ludicrous.wav)
Let us know how you do at the dyno day..
Nick
Edited by: Diesel Power
Gradyghost 01-16-2004, 08:10 PM Whats the matter Colonel Sanders? Chicken?
sp33d 01-16-2004, 09:01 PM sdaver,
Do you think the fm100 is necessary for running the extreme ecm? I haven't made it as far as a fuel pump... It's on my list but I've just been adding so many other things lately that my time hasn't allowed it.
Chad
Diesel Power 01-16-2004, 11:04 PM Chad,
according to Steve Cole @ TTS the pump is mandatory. Until i get to a dyno and track i won't have any more info. I believe Steve as he wrote the program.
Mike L. 01-16-2004, 11:26 PM If i ever get my quadruple double throwdown box from KickAssDiesel.Bull i will smoke all you pilgrims.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I sent the money last september and they say it's almost done.
CPMac 01-17-2004, 02:23 PM That's cool sdaver! Who would have thought a custom one off piece from TTS would ever make it to an actual customers truck. Guess them slowpoke lawyers (spies) finally got their job done.
Mike L. 01-17-2004, 11:20 PM That's cool sdaver! Who would have thought a custom one off piece from TTS would ever make it to an actual customers truck. Guess them slowpoke lawyers (spies) finally got their job done.
Were you molested as a child? grown up? You have a problem?
Now lets talk about your b/s horsepower on a truck that you don't have. Your horsepower numbers don't even come close to your quartermile times. I have seen the older model V-techs do this. I have seen do it yourself horsepower programs come up with b/s numbers like yours. I am told by doctors that when you get a hair across your ass, try better hygeine or go to the hospital and get it removed.
Try and lighten up, your b/s has gotten old, and you have no credability.
Micheal Tomac 01-18-2004, 01:19 PM Mike L
Do you realize CPmac has a 6 speed?
It take more power to make a 6 speed as fast as an auto.
CPMac 01-18-2004, 06:30 PM Mike L I have wondered for a while if you really had a clue but now I know you don't. I see some promise in some of your posts but it has always pulled you back knowing you had your head up Steve's. I don't like Steve's tactics and have a right to voice my opinion. If you don't like it that is fine but you really should come up with a good fight if your going to but in. My truck ran 13.3 when it had 500 hp (give or take depending on dyno type). When it made 592 hp at the KC dyno day in front of several people it was setup differntly and never has been to the strip that way. I don't have to lighten up if I don't want to. I have proof of every accusation I make and would like to protect the unsuspecting public.
Have a nice day, Craig.
ps Why do you say on a truck I don't have? Last time I looked out the window it was still there.
Got Juice? 01-18-2004, 07:57 PM so that would have been 676 HP with a good injectorhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif
Ray403Dmax 01-18-2004, 10:34 PM It take more power to make a 6 speed as fast as an auto.
Yep... I remember an old quote from the late HVAC, that a Dodge Cummins equipped manual tranny needed an extra 150hp to be comparable to an auto tranny in the quarter mile. The rationale was loosing boost while manually shifting gears.
Mike L. 01-18-2004, 11:09 PM mtomac
I hope we can get along, i have supported you in the past and have seen you post some snyde things, and i did not like them. I think you have done one hell of a job with your truck and i am proud of it. When i post something it is not Steve Cole posting it. I did not get his permission nor do i need it to post anything i feel. Yes, he and i have been friends for a long time, done some projects together that he invited me to do. I have been a hot rodder since 1963 and am not even close to being done. I drive a lot of diesels with a lot of different programs and that is a real plus. I have my opinion on what i like best and i let it be known. I do not get into everyones post and do this. I do a little pimping. Now as far as cpsmack goes, he has a hard on and he cant let it loose. i know one version of the story, let him tell his. That is none of my business. I don't like his negative posts to anything concerning TTS. That gets old. As far as his b/s horsepower with a bad injector; the guys here are not dumb, and i have had 3 pm's telling me he does not have the truck. I really don't care, but i wish he would use his tool in someone elses posts.
mike
Mike L. 01-18-2004, 11:24 PM CPMac
I can show you 400rwh on a Honda(even with a bad injector). All it takes is hitting or not hitting the right buttons. Why don't you just stay out of my posts like i stay out of yours? I am learning a lot from everyone here about the engine side of the Duramax. I am not an expert and don't claim to be like you. I know of a stick Duramax that doesnt even come close to your numbers and runs 12's. Bad driver in your case? More likely b/s on your part. How far do you want to push this CPMac?
CPMac 01-18-2004, 11:31 PM Mike you or any one else who wants to find out if I have the truck can come to 16191 SW 91st in Rushville MO 64484 and find out. And on the bad injector it did have one and I wouldn't be suprised if the condition it was in it could have actually increased hp but who knows I haven't went to the dyno since. Since you can have your opinion and let it be known than I should be able to also. If you don't like it then make your point or shut up. Just stop trying to discredit me by making false statement Steve does that well enough on his own.
CPMac 01-18-2004, 11:40 PM I see how you are Mike L. You are like the little guy Dennis with the name calling bit. You show your maturity but if you want me to show you mine. I'll push back as long as you want me to. The other 3 liars that PM'd you that I don't have the truck well that is for them also. I'd like to see this other stick that runs 12's with less than 500 rwhp. I think that is great. I have never claimed to be the best or anything like that I just am proud of my accomplishments. If you think your high and mighty because you know someone that is faster than me that's great.Edited by: CPMac
White Duramax 01-19-2004, 12:29 AM You must know some liars Mike L. I have seen Craigs truck in person and have two tapes with his truck on it pulling and drag racing.
JRmac 01-19-2004, 03:18 AM Mike L
Some words of wisdom.
1: Don't start something your not BIG enough too FINISH!
2: Don't open your little PIE-HOLE without FACTS!
3: Don't visit the SHOW-ME STATE.(we prefer to SHOW rather than TELL)
CPMac's truck does exist. I seen,drove,& worked on it. The 592.2rwhp is a fact. I WAS THERE & THE DYNO SHEET IS HERE BESIDE ME! As far as dynos, racing & pulling, Ask some of the dodgeboys & fordboys. I believe the Scheid Diesel site has last years results. SO GET OFF AS FAST AS YOU GOT ON THAT BAND-WAGON & SHUT-UP!
Now as far as CPMac's posts go? If he dosen't know, then unlike yourself he keeps his mouth closed & his mind open. But if He makes a post it's because of information learned through research & abuse applied to his OWN TRUCKS, not something he was told or just read & repeated! (From your posts I think you have GAS & borrowed mamma's BUTT-PLUG now your face is LEAKING.)
CPMac's relations with Steve Cole? It's none of your business, unless you're a lawyer looking for a job. Maybe you should check the facts there also!
Thats all for now. YOUR EXCUSED.
JRmac-a-tact
Micheal Tomac 01-19-2004, 03:35 AM Yep... I remember an old quote from the late HVAC, that a Dodge Cummins equipped manual tranny needed an extra 150hp to be comparable to an auto tranny in the quarter mile. The rationale was loosing boost while manually shifting gears.
I was thinking a stick needed an extra 100hp to beat an auto dragracing
CPMac 01-19-2004, 06:57 PM Ray and Mike I don't know how much hp difference you would need to run a comparable e.t. but I don't think it's that much. It would be easier to compare mph to see perhaps. I know that if you shift well you won't lose much boost when shifting a manual but maybe Mike L could tell us what hp the truck he know's about is and what e.t. it runs.
Mackin 01-19-2004, 07:19 PM Gentlemen
Although my vocabulary and insult book has recorded some new entries in this thread I ask please don't get so personal ... Please exchange phone numbers address emails and PM's and be rude and obnoxious ...
Otherwise Nick will ask we lock it down and lose some valuable info like Supermans dyno numbers ....
Where is the Cape'd Crusader ??
Mac
sdaver 01-19-2004, 09:27 PM "Some words of wisdom.
1: Don't start something your not BIG enough too FINISH!
2: Don't open your little PIE-HOLE without FACTS!
3: Don't visit the SHOW-ME STATE.(we prefer to SHOW rather than TELL)"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
4: no matter how great the urge never ****** w/ dave with a bad hangover.......to answer the question......fm 100 doesn't seem to be enough........cheers davehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: sdaver
sdaver 01-19-2004, 09:41 PM dyno sheets tomorrow if we aren't locked down...........How does it go......whoooooo shot the sherif.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif
White Duramax 01-19-2004, 10:56 PM SO what is going to be big enough Sdaver?
BIG DIPPER 01-19-2004, 11:07 PM Well, Dave goes in the 6'4" area and probably around 250 or so.....rumor has it that he throws around high 3's on the bench as his regular sets......if you want my opinion...he's still a bit soft.
Quadzilla 01-19-2004, 11:09 PM "Got my extreme ecm from TTS and I can hardy wipe the grin from my face ..It seems stronger than my other high horse stacks.....and is smooth and quiet. Dont seem to have any fuel delivery problems. The fm 100 is keeping up with the demand of the extreme and a couple of things I added."
So is the Fm100 not enough now because the numbers were lower than expected or did you do some testing? Also seems you added some new things? Thought this was tried and true and was supposed to be matched up? Just want to get my facts straight.
BIG DIPPER 01-19-2004, 11:19 PM The fm 100 is keeping up with the demand of the extreme and a couple of things I added."
So is the Fm100 not enough now because the numbers were lower than expected or did you do some testing? Also seems you added some new things? Thought this was tried and true and was supposed to be matched up? Just want to get my facts straight.
Only thing I can think of that he added is "sarcasm".....other than that..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif
Quadzilla 01-19-2004, 11:21 PM Only thing I can think of that he added is "sarcasm".....other than that..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif
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Did you quit returning calls about 2 months ago? I think pm's as well?
BIG DIPPER 01-19-2004, 11:27 PM http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3197&PN=1
Mike L. 01-19-2004, 11:29 PM I am only 5'9". I'm a little guyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif So, CPMac are you coming to my dyno day? reserved you a spot.
mike
CPMac 01-19-2004, 11:57 PM MikeL I will definately try to. I need to come that way for some other business and I think if would be a fun trip.
Diesel Power 01-20-2004, 12:00 AM i think it would be great.. the more high HP trucks the better!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif
king d 01-20-2004, 07:05 AM Only thing I can think of that he added is "sarcasm".....other than that..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif
Did you quit returning calls about 2 months ago? I think pm's as well?[/QUOTE] if he didnt you sure as heck didhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif.this isnt like you quad,why all the name calling and chest beating,none of this is productive.you make very good tuners and shoulod be proud of what you have.i have yet mysely to dyno more single adder hp than your 215 offers,but still some small problems persist.so in my quest for perfect power i ordered a tts extreme which steve tells me is near ready,and i also got a power pup from bully dog.now the pup although similar in apperance semms very different.it came with a detailed list of fuses to pull for 01-02 trucks ansd 03 .just a note your tunes may work differnt but you had me pulling the fuses for01-02 on an 03 truck.i only have the 90 hp tune but it doesnt seem to have the pilot rattle of the 70 hp or 110 hp tune.have you ever managed to tone down the pilot rattle in your tunes yet.as far as extra or other extreme tunes i have an extra 215 tune you made and it is very good in all gears except one,i realize i was an early unit tester and am glad i got the priveladge of doing so.just get back to doing what you do best selling high quality parts and accessories and stop this bs.sorry i had to post here like this but you havent returned a call in months so i figured this was the only way to reach you ......jess
Quadzilla 01-20-2004, 12:35 PM Only thing I can think of that he added is "sarcasm".....other than that..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif
Did you quit returning calls about 2 months ago? I think pm's as well?
if he didnt you sure as heck didhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif.this isnt like you quad,why all the name calling and chest beating,none of this is productive.you make very good tuners and shoulod be proud of what you have.i have yet mysely to dyno more single adder hp than your 215 offers,but still some small problems persist.so in my quest for perfect power i ordered a tts extreme which steve tells me is near ready,and i also got a power pup from bully dog.now the pup although similar in apperance semms very different.it came with a detailed list of fuses to pull for 01-02 trucks ansd 03 .just a note your tunes may work differnt but you had me pulling the fuses for01-02 on an 03 truck.i only have the 90 hp tune but it doesnt seem to have the pilot rattle of the 70 hp or 110 hp tune.have you ever managed to tone down the pilot rattle in your tunes yet.as far as extra or other extreme tunes i have an extra 215 tune you made and it is very good in all gears except one,i realize i was an early unit tester and am glad i got the priveladge of doing so.just get back to doing what you do best selling high quality parts and accessories and stop this bs.sorry i had to post here like this but you havent returned a call in months so i figured this was the only way to reach you ......jess[/QUOTE]
You should know why you don't get calls returned. I don't need to chest beat, I am game on any dyno anywhere.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif
king d 01-20-2004, 12:42 PM hey actually i dont know why i dont get calls returned,but hey its your choice,as far as dynos go i guess you are talking about steve,if not we have a dyno on feb 21st come on up with a stock motor and just tuning and lets see what is whatEdited by: king d
Quadzilla 01-20-2004, 02:01 PM hey actually i dont know why i dont get calls returned,but hey its your choice,as far as dynos go i guess you are talking about steve,if not we have a dyno on feb 21st come on up with a stock motor and just tuning and lets see what is what
Make it interesting, thats a long drive. Oh and if you want to see what is what, see what you think about this.
Single eletronic enhancement, stock motor, no drugs. How big a boy are ya?
sdaver 01-20-2004, 03:14 PM bring your own box and truck use your box and draw for the truck.............might get yours or someone elseshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
Quadzilla 01-20-2004, 03:24 PM why areyou backing out now? My truck have too many cubic inches? I thought this was a pissing match about what we already have?
Camstyn 01-20-2004, 04:42 PM Quadzilla, you're not doing yourself or your company any favors by running your mouth in this thread, PLUS not even answering questions addressed to you. Things like this go on I can't help but wonder if there really is something to the claims of lack of customer service. There certainly is a lack of professionalism in this thread, as a potential customer I expect much more. I'd PM this to you but it looks like maybe you don't like to address issues unless they are out in the open. Maybe I'm wrong, I've never done business with you, but this is how it looks from the outside.
king d 01-20-2004, 05:50 PM name your price,i am not wealthy but i sure as hell aint scared either.Since you are gonna come for single highest hp with a single device i think it is great and i even got one of your 215 programs for you to dyno with.it wouldnt be fair if you have phantom software now would it.hopefully this fires you back up to get off your tail and do somemore custom programming and make more than the 455-470 hp that the stealth is good for.
Quadzilla 01-20-2004, 06:06 PM Quadzilla, you're not doing yourself or your company any favors by running your mouth in this thread, PLUS not even answering questions addressed to you. Things like this go on I can't help but wonder if there really is something to the claims of lack of customer service. There certainly is a lack of professionalism in this thread, as a potential customer I expect much more. I'd PM this to you but it looks like maybe you don't like to address issues unless they are out in the open. Maybe I'm wrong, I've never done business with you, but this is how it looks from the outside.
To start with most of the guys that are bickering back and forth know each other fairly well, we just like to be mean to each other. KingD has recieved a lot of support and a lot of favors and I am sure he will get plenty more. All of the big power guys want more and moan and groan until they get it. I like to whine and complain until the groan and moan and then everyone is happy again. It runs this vicious cycle over and over and we are all just to goofy to pick up the phone as it is fun to be mean on here!
In otherwords......most of this stuff is silly bantering and don't make anything of it. High horsepower threads are where grown men act like little boys! They almost always turn into this.
As far as Sdaver is concerned, well I think he is ok for me to poke a little fun at. We talked last night, but mainly about hunting. He knows I am just funnin. Sure some people take it too serious, but I can't help that. I get my fair share of critisism and I don't think I fall in the floor and throw a hissy. Well maybe sometimes, but I try not to.
Also just remember I am just a normal gearhead just like you. I love competition as much as anyone. The high horsepower stuff probably costs me money in the long run, but I like it becuase of the competition. I am not in these threads to be political. I can do that on other sites. I have fun on this site and I can be jsut a regular guy. I try to answer questions if there are any, but I do not use this like a commercial site like most do. If it is needed I can only speak up when someone wants info about buying stuff?
Remember that text is black and white and has no emotion. You need to know me and my attitude (did I say that bad word?) before you think I am unprofessional.
Jess, keep it up and you will get a rpm limit of 1800!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif
DMax_Doug 01-20-2004, 06:41 PM Well now I'm really confused. Who is serious and who is not? Who's claims are legit and who's pullin somebody else's leg?
I understand that a few guys (Quad, Steve Cole, etc) have been around for a while and poke at each other. That's great. I've owned tuners from both and each have thier advantages. With the occasional dyno day event as evidence, barbs seem to fly all over and it can be humerous. However, the average guys has to weed his way through the muck.
What we need is to get the owners of a couple 3 or 4 top power adder companies together for a Celebrity Event, which includes Dyno runs, a Drag Race, and maybe a Truck Pull. Afterward at the local Twist Off, competitors and fans all drink beer and tell lies then go home to post the next round of editorials on The Place...
GMC-2002-Dmax 01-20-2004, 06:46 PM Most of the current power offerings have been Dyno'd in CT or NC or recently at Suncoast's facility in FL.
Nick and Mike L. are hosting a Dyno event in CA soon.
JK has a Dyno in his shop. Running YET ???????
Quad and Cole have posted thier numbers recently and have "discussed" them in detail.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif
We have ready access to dyno's in CT. Mackin and I can give you stock tranny and level 5 numbers on single tuners/boxes and stacks.
Sdaver has numbers available as well.
Numbers will vary from dyno to dyno depending on the day.
So what do you wanna know ???????
Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNY
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Quadzilla 01-20-2004, 07:09 PM I wouldn't say the numbers are not real or that people are playing bogus games. It was brought to my attention that some people actually thought a bunch of us were mad and hated each other. Some of us do, but the large majority of us get along great and have fun.
There is a lot of weeding to do because everyone involved with the big horsepower has ego's. That is just a fact of nature, and that is why they desire the power. I would say all claims claims are legit at least to a point. I am not sure what Steve claims, but the ECM obviously makes decent power, to make sure it lives up to its claim you need a number first.
If you ever get everyone together all in the same place it would be a miracle. We go to the occasional event, but that is about it. We also like to do suprise showings, it is just more fun to make the Dodge boys mad.
Bronco 01-20-2004, 08:22 PM Would somebody please call COMPETION CAMS and get a custom stick made to go with all this extra fuel. That is where the real power lies.TRUST ME!
Amric 01-20-2004, 09:36 PM Would somebody please call COMPETION CAMS and get a custom stick made to go with all this extra fuel. That is where the real power lies.TRUST ME!
If you add much more lift, you will compromise longevity. If you add more duration, you will move the powerband beyond where the Allison will shift. Too much more duration could also leak off boost during overlap. I would bet there is more to be made in a more efficient turbo, and a fuel system (including LOW restriction filters) that can keep up with the new turbo.
Also if your intent on opening up a Duramax, have you considered ported heads, and slightly oversized valves. These mods would compliment a turbo motor when under boost.
Amberjack 01-20-2004, 10:41 PM Would somebody please call COMPETION CAMS and get a custom stick made to go with all this extra fuel. That is where the real power lies.TRUST ME!
If you add much more lift, you will compromise longevity. If you add more duration, you will move the powerband beyond where the Allison will shift. Too much more duration could also leak off boost during overlap. I would bet there is more to be made in a more efficient turbo, and a fuel system (including LOW restriction filters) that can keep up with the new turbo.
Also if your intent on opening up a Duramax, have you considered ported heads, and slightly oversized valves. These mods would compliment a turbo motor when under boost.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifEdited by: Amberjack
Bronco 01-20-2004, 10:52 PM I think when it comes to longjevity, it is comprimised as soon as you put on even the lowest of horsepower modules/programmers. Valve train geometry would need to be adressed with any cam changes. There is also lobe centerline and lobe separation that could be altered. I am not talking about big changes. As far as porting/polishing and bigger valves are concerned, this wouldn't hurt either. The shift points of the Allison have to be adjustable. Maybe it just hasn't been released yet? A 6.6 L at 4000 RPM with 10 degrees more duration 35LBS boost and level 5 has to be one mean mother. I bet it would make 100HP over anything available! It will happen,just watch.
Bronco 01-21-2004, 01:41 AM In my above post I stated a hypothetical situation which indicated a better flowing intact track via a bigger camshaft and better flowing heads. I also indicated 35PSI boost. In all reallity better intake flow will result in lower overall boost needed to create the same amount of power. I will bet a cam with 10 degrees more duration will produce 100 more horespower at somewhere around 30PSI boost. Only time will tell. If I ever have to tear my motor apart I will try to get a bigger cam.
Camstyn 01-21-2004, 12:51 PM Thanks for the explanation Quad, I don't keep up with you guys and misunderstood ball-busting for arrogance. I wasn't intending to single you out but you were the only professional I expected more from. I guess I shouldn't jump to conclusions, now that I know the situation is different than I'll sit back and enjoy the bench racing.
I think I owe you an apology for jumping the gun, let the fun and games continue, sorry for being a stick in the mud. I'm all for this stuff but thought it was different in this case because it seemed like you guys were seriously chopping at each other.
Game on!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif
-doofus
Amric 01-21-2004, 08:43 PM I think when it comes to longjevity, it is comprimised as soon as you put on even the lowest of horsepower modules/programmers. Valve train geometry would need to be adressed with any cam changes. There is also lobe centerline and lobe separation that could be altered. I am not talking about big changes. As far as porting/polishing and bigger valves are concerned, this wouldn't hurt either. The shift points of the Allison have to be adjustable. Maybe it just hasn't been released yet? A 6.6 L at 4000 RPM with 10 degrees more duration 35LBS boost and level 5 has to be one mean mother. I bet it would make 100HP over anything available! It will happen,just watch.
I agree...There are gains to be made in the camshaft. In fact, I have never had a motor that could not be improved with a better thought out camshaft profile. What I was trying to say was there are easier ways to achieve these increases. You can bet, when the day comes that I have to rebuild the motor, I will be making big changes to the heads, and if a camshaft is available that has a profile fitting my plans, then its going right in.
With a naturally aspirated motor, this is the only way to go, but with the Duramax, its much easier to get improvements with the fuel system and turbo.
Bronco 01-21-2004, 10:34 PM Amric,
Maybe a better flowing intake tract via larger turbo is what we are both after. I do not want to run extremely high boost or extermly rich tune. Do you think a bigger turbo would accomplish more power with out boost over lets say 30PSI. and reduced black smoke. Believe it or not Colorado still has a little air that has not been turned to smog. I will not contribute anymore than I have to.
Quadzilla 01-21-2004, 11:19 PM If the compressor maps are made to match the motor then you should be able to make more horsepower simply by gaining efficiency. With a different trubo we can accomplish several things. The first is reducing backpressure (drive pressure) to the motor. Secondly we can have a charger that is strong enough to handle 30-40psi of boost without having to worry about breaking the shafts in it. Typically we also will reduce exhaust temperature which in most case, not yours, will allow us room to burn more fuel.
Now on a stock truck there are some disadvantages to a larger charger. The first being dollar per hp gained. Also there is a fair amount of labor involved. The truck would also be laggy and would not want to spool up very fast at all. Sure on the high end you wil make some gains, but it would not be worth it.
Where I think the right charger would fit perfectly is in the middle range of available power. Sure the big power guys will have them and they will work great. I think guys running our 135hp tune, the Hot Juice, the Extreme Bullydog tune, the 120+ TTS stuff will greatly benefit from a larger turbo, not only in performance, but in driveability. Yes these power gains do smoke some, but with added air ( boost ) this will most likely clear it up. With enough fuel available turbo lag will be no worse than stock, probably even better and egt's should be tame enough to tow some pretty tough loads with. Not to mention it is looking like you should see an deasy 30-40hp gain in just efficiency over the mid range power adders.
I think this is a great way to go about making safe power in these trucks, but it is a lot of trouble. We hope to finish up testing and have some results and test data for people to read in the very near future.
Bronco 01-22-2004, 12:45 AM Quad,
You have made a few small references to better trannys and bigger turbos. Are you getting ready to go COMANDO on us?
JRmac 01-22-2004, 01:02 AM Quad,
You have made a few small references to better trannys and bigger turbos. Are you getting ready to go COMANDO on us?TOSS ME A BONE QUAD!!!!!! THEN MAYBE I CAN QUIT CHASING MY TAIL.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif
Got Juice? 01-22-2004, 02:26 AM Boost pressure is nice to have, but don't confuse air pressure with air VOLUME!
With more volume at a lesser boost pressure you accomplish a couple of things.
1. Lower intercooler temps---> Benefits of a cooler charge is more density more air molecules to burn and lower egt's
2. Less drive pressure losses (pumping losses) on the exhaust side of the turbine. more flow and less EGT's from less pressure.
3. Because you would be increasing the volume of air moved (not necessairily the pressure of the air) Your observed boost readings could be less than your OE turbo, but make more power and less EGT's
4. This is where a VNT (EVRT/ VGT) turbo really shines, or if all else fails a ball bearing design.
Just my .02
Amric 01-22-2004, 08:11 PM I just got done reading this month’s off-road magazine where they did a write-up on a 7.3 powerstroke. They said the factory designed the turbo vanes to cause turbulence thereby reducing turbo noise. With as quiet as our turbo is, I bet GM did something similar. I have heard nothing but good things about ball bearing turbo allowing you to go to a slightly larger turbo with the ball bearings keeping the spool-up similar to a smaller turbo. Mix that with improved vane design, tighter tolerances, and a stronger shaft, and there is a lot of free horsepower to be had. Lowering the EGT means perhaps I can tow on a higher setting.
I can’t wait until someone comes out with something worth the cost and install effort.
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