I finally got the Pullrite Superglide and wiring harness installed in my new 2001 LTZ. The Pullrite was the same 16K hitch used in my 06 Duramax, I just had to buy the frame kit for the 2011. Much simpler to install the Pullrite on the 2011 as you don't have to drill frame holes like the 06. I was concerned about bedrail height and am using Pullrite's kit that raises the hitch 3 inches. Bedrail clearance is approx 7 to 7.5 inches. I was also concerned about the taller ride height of the 2011. The front of the trailer rides a bit higher but I think it will work. I was disappointed in the optional factory fifth wheel/camper wiring package. I would have assumed that it would have the connector on the end instead of just bare wires. Pollak harness and RV vehicle connector from etrailer.com saved the day! What do you all think?

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Sure looks good. Gotta be $120K sitting there?

Yours actually looks maybe a little more level than mine does on my LMM. I have the Superglide 18K and like you added the 3 inch rails out of fear of hitting the rails.

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You have us curious, what model is your OR? Our 385RLS doesn't have a window on the kitchen slide like yours does.

Looks good! I stopped at a local dealer the other day and was able to park my truck beside a new LML and I was surprised about the hight difference. Made me wonder how a fiver would fit on the new truck

Yours actually looks maybe a little more level than mine does on my LMM. I have the Superglide 18K and like you added the 3 inch rails out of fear of hitting the rails.

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You have us curious, what model is your OR? Our 385RLS doesn't have a window on the kitchen slide like yours does.

Very cool to find another Open Range owner on this forum! My OR is also a 385RLS! It is a 2010 model that I've had since April of 09. I have loved this fifth wheel. Yours appears to be a newer model since it has the full window in the door, the four point leveling system and the aluminum wrapped frame forward of the axles. These options were not available when I purchased my trailer. Do you have the Residential model? The window in the kitchen slide is over the cook top and under the microwave. I'm guessing you may have the Residential model with the larger fridge and no window?

Sure looks good. Gotta be $120K sitting there?

Not quite that much! I got a really good deal on the trailer. It was significantly less expensive than the truck! Thanks for the comments.

Ah that it explains it, ours is a 2011. It is not the residential, same small fridge, just no window over the cook top. I do have to say though that the auto-levelers are really nice :) We just picked it up two three weeks ago, but are looking forward to our first big trip here in another week or so. Glad to hear that you are still happy with yours more than a year later.

Ah that it explains it, ours is a 2011. It is not the residential, same small fridge, just no window over the cook top. I do have to say though that the auto-levelers are really nice :) We just picked it up two three weeks ago, but are looking forward to our first big trip here in another week or so. Glad to hear that you are still happy with yours more than a year later.

hughesmk the single biggest complaint with the OR was problems I had with the slide cables fraying. They were always replaced under warranty but it was a pain. Finally I got tired of trips to the dealer and adjusted them myself. No problem since! I'm green with envy on the auto-levelers! Enjoy your rig. Maybe we'll cross paths on the road someday.

Both are nice looking combination's.

Both of you are nose high -might end up with some porpoising on segmented roadways. Time will tell how they ride set-up this way. Keep an eye on the rear trailer tires for excessive wear too.

I finally got the Pullrite Superglide and wiring harness installed in my new 2001 LTZ. The Pullrite was the same 16K hitch used in my 06 Duramax, I just had to buy the frame kit for the 2011. Much simpler to install the Pullrite on the 2011 as you don't have to drill frame holes like the 06. I was concerned about bedrail height and am using Pullrite's kit that raises the hitch 3 inches. Bedrail clearance is approx 7 to 7.5 inches. I was also concerned about the taller ride height of the 2011. The front of the trailer rides a bit higher but I think it will work. I was disappointed in the optional factory fifth wheel/camper wiring package. I would have assumed that it would have the connector on the end instead of just bare wires. Pollak harness and RV vehicle connector from etrailer.com saved the day! What do you all think?

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We've got a 2011 on the way to replace our 2006 and like you need some brackets for the 18k superglide we have. Where did you get your brackets and how much? Part #? Also wonder about the need for a hitch raise as the 2011 seems to be about 2" taller from the bed to the top of bed sides than the 2006.
Randy

Not quite that much! I got a really good deal on the trailer. It was significantly less expensive than the truck! Thanks for the comments.

That's great. We looked in some Open Range models on display at one of the campgrounds we were at this summer. Really liked them, but I remember some pretty high sticker prices.

Awesome setup. Is that the new 3500HD shortie?? I'm really eying one of those sometime soon.

We've got a 2011 on the way to replace our 2006 and like you need some brackets for the 18k superglide we have. Where did you get your brackets and how much? Part #? Also wonder about the need for a hitch raise as the 2011 seems to be about 2" taller from the bed to the top of bed sides than the 2006.
Randy

Randy - The 3"Lift Kit is Pullrite P/N 4408. I picked mine up from rvwholesalers.com for 129.99 shipped. If you don't already have it, the part number for the 2011 Chevy/GMC 2500/3500 frame mounting kit is P/N 4428. I actually used the lift kit with my 06 as I had my trailer king pin box adjusted to give max clearance and I still felt there was not enough. I have 7 to 7.5 inches of clearance now using the list kit. Another option to adjust is Pullrite's P/N 330705 which are longer mounting posts which will also raise the hitch a bit although I'm not sure just how much.

That's great. We looked in some Open Range models on display at one of the campgrounds we were at this summer. Really liked them, but I remember some pretty high sticker prices.

I was literally shocked how much mark up there is in these RV's. I originally saw the trailer I have at the Denver RV show and they had a show price of $65,000 and they were making this sound like a really good deal. This was way out of my price range but I went home and googled the same trailer and found it for $39,900 in Wisconsin. I called the dealer in Wisconsin thinking something had to be wrong with the price. This dealer indicated it was a fully equipped brand spanking new trailer just like the one I saw in Denver. I considered a road trip to Wisconsin but decided to talk to the Denver dealer and we negotiated a price of $43,500 ($21,500 off show price)! Talk about huge dealer mark up! I am unaware of resources such as NADA or KBB to obtain invoice pricing for RVs so it's very important to do your homework when purchasing an RV to ensure you do not over pay.

Awesome setup. Is that the new 3500HD shortie?? I'm really eying one of those sometime soon.

transferred - its the 6 1/2' box.

transferred - its the 6 1/2' box.

I know, it looks sweet. I was just wondering if it was the 3500 as they hadn't offered that with the 6'6" bed until this year and the fact they now do (and at a weight rating that matches ford) means GM is in the driving seat to get my money sometime over the next year. I'm at 80k on my current truck and want something smaller and faster that can still do a hard day's work. Any impressions on the truck so far?

I know, it looks sweet. I was just wondering if it was the 3500 as they hadn't offered that with the 6'6" bed until this year and the fact they now do (and at a weight rating that matches ford) means GM is in the driving seat to get my money sometime over the next year. I'm at 80k on my current truck and want something smaller and faster that can still do a hard day's work. Any impressions on the truck so far?

It's a 2500. I've only got about 800 miles on the truck but some first impressions are:

Better mileage already over my 06 LBZ. DIC indicates 13.0 and I could never break over 11.9 with the 06.

Awesome brakes. I actually had the rear wheels off when I installed the Pullrite and the brakes are huge! I was almost as excited about these brakes as I was about the massive Brembos on my Subaru WRX STi! I made adjustments for the first time yesterday with the trailer hitched and braking performance is so much better than the 06.

Very quiet engine. You cannot hear the turbo. While the old guy in me likes this I kinda miss the turbo whine. We just got new 2010 Ford 450 diesel fleet trucks at work and the sound of the twin turbos is music to my ears!

Steering is not overboosted. I feel that you have good road feel. I hope the steering system has improved over the older trucks as the steering system gave me the most problems with my 06 (2 failed hydro boosters, linkage bushing problems).

Nice interior. I didn't like the non LBZ interior too much and I absolutely loved the new Dodge interior but I can certainly live with the LBZ interior.

Fully boxed frame looks very strong. I got a close look at it installing the hitch mounts. The new Pullrite frame brackets don't require drilling the frame like the 06 did.

A bit disappointed in the optional fifth wheel/camper wiring. Come on GM at least you could put a connector on the end instead of just dead ended wires!

Not sure about the value of Onstar yet. I wish they would hurry and make the new Mylink smart phone application available. Since my truck will not fit in my garage and I don't have direct line of sight to where it's parked for the remote start the ability to start the truck from my iphone is very intriguing!

I love the truck so far!

Thx for the thorough answer, yes the brakes and frame are huge steps fwd on paper good to see that translates to the real world...

make the truck very safe and an absolute tow pig with the new engine and tranny

Enjoy in good health

Randy - The 3"Lift Kit is Pullrite P/N 4408. I picked mine up from rvwholesalers.com for 129.99 shipped. If you don't already have it, the part number for the 2011 Chevy/GMC 2500/3500 frame mounting kit is P/N 4428. I actually used the lift kit with my 06 as I had my trailer king pin box adjusted to give max clearance and I still felt there was not enough. I have 7 to 7.5 inches of clearance now using the list kit. Another option to adjust is Pullrite's P/N 330705 which are longer mounting posts which will also raise the hitch a bit although I'm not sure just how much.

Thanks for the part numbers.
Where did you get the mounting brkts. and how much; people I have talked to don't seem to know that mounting brkts. for the 2011 exist, but maybe the part #'s will get them over the hump. A shame that you can't just order from Pullrite.
Randy

Great lookin rigs guys be careful running nose high on the trailer like that it will ruin your rear axle wheel bearings and seals on the trailer, Don't ask me how I know this.................

The 2011 doesn't look nose-high to me...Man along the interstate I've seen a lot of properly nose high stuff, usually lifted and leveled trucks esp of the F250 variety as there's a lot of them about.

Yes many trailers are on the road with poor or improper set-up. That is the reason why trailer towing has such high accident rates. These poorly set up combination's are typically one emergency maneuver from pooped pants -if lucky or a bad accident if not so lucky. :eek:

More than 1" high at the PIN above frame level (parallel to ground ) the trailer suspension action is being compromised. The suspension only works properly if in a neutral position when being operated. Remember a leaf spring trailer has only about 3" of travel before components can get damaged. Many don't know any better or don't want to deal with the additional work required to resolve. Many buy things like cushioned pin boxes, air bags and such to eliminate the ill working suspension without dealing with the root cause.

Agree that it is difficult to tell conclusively about towing stance/neutral suspension position from the pictures posted. Typically it takes the use of a level and tape measure on a flat, minimally crowned piece of pavement with trailer loaded for a "normal" outing plus some critical suspension observations to get the best riding(following) trailer.

There are many factors to achieve a well mannered trailer while towing. Towing stance and payload placement/balance are the cornerstones.

Thanks for the part numbers.
Where did you get the mounting brkts. and how much; people I have talked to don't seem to know that mounting brkts. for the 2011 exist, but maybe the part #'s will get them over the hump. A shame that you can't just order from Pullrite.
Randy

I got the part number by calling Pullrite directly. Most distributers do not have the new part number in their catalog and they all had to contact Pullrite for pricing. I called most of the big online retailers such as rvwholesalers, tweetys, etc and this was the case for all of them. I finally contacted my local Camping World and the got me the mounting kit for $345 including shipping and taxes which was by far the best pricing.

Yes many trailers are on the road with poor or improper set-up. That is the reason why trailer towing has such high accident rates. These poorly set up combination's are typically one emergency maneuver from pooped pants -if lucky or a bad accident if not so lucky. :eek:

More than 1" high at the PIN above frame level (parallel to ground ) the trailer suspension action is being compromised. The suspension only works properly if in a neutral position when being operated. Remember a leaf spring trailer has only about 3" of travel before components can get damaged. Many don't know any better or don't want to deal with the additional work required to resolve. Many buy things like cushioned pin boxes, air bags and such to eliminate the ill working suspension without dealing with the root cause.

Agree that it is difficult to tell conclusively about towing stance/neutral suspension position from the pictures posted. Typically it takes the use of a level and tape measure on a flat, minimally crowned piece of pavement with trailer loaded for a "normal" outing plus some critical suspension observations to get the best riding(following) trailer.

There are many factors to achieve a well mannered trailer while towing. Towing stance and payload placement/balance are the cornerstones.

I think the front is definitely riding a bit high as I can visually tell the frame is higher at the front than at the trailer axles. I don't see too many options to fix this though except to raise the trailer axles (blocks) and this trailer already is well off the ground. I can't lower from the pin box or I'll lose my bedrail clearance. I'll definitely watch the handling closely as well as tire wear.

thanks!

I think the front is definitely riding a bit high as I can visually tell the frame is higher at the front than at the trailer axles. I don't see too many options to fix this though except to raise the trailer axles (blocks) and this trailer already is well off the ground. I can't lower from the pin box or I'll lose my bedrail clearance. I'll definitely watch the handling closely as well as tire wear.

thanks!

Look at your spring hangers and equalizer hanger -you might have a set of holes to raise trailer.

I got the part number by calling Pullrite directly. Most distributers do not have the new part number in their catalog and they all had to contact Pullrite for pricing. I called most of the big online retailers such as rvwholesalers, tweetys, etc and this was the case for all of them. I finally contacted my local Camping World and the got me the mounting kit for $345 including shipping and taxes which was by far the best pricing.

Thanks,
Just got my order confirmation from Big Discount RV with shipping $348; I'm suprised at the camping world price because the are normally much higher on everything, good for you. Checking around seems everyone else is at the least $100 higher.
Happy towing
Randy

Look at your spring hangers and equalizer hanger -you might have a set of holes to raise trailer.

Checked the spring and equalizer hangers and they are already installed in the lowest holes. The springs are mounted on the top of the axle tube so no option there for swapping to gain height. I have it hitched up tonight and it doesn't look too bad. I'll try and get better pics from the side this weekend as I'm going camping!

I am trying to make a good decision weather to trade my 2004 LLY, which I just love for a 2011 Chevy 3500 to pull my 2005 Montana. I am pretty sure that the 3" lift kit for the Superglide will preserve my bed rail clearance, but just how nose high will I be?

My Morryde pin box is set to the highest, so that I tow as level as possible, I can't figure out anything else that can be adjusted.

Do you think that my 1800-1900 lb pin weight would make the 3500 squat down a little?

So many questions, but so big of a project, thanks for any advice.

I am trying to make a good decision weather to trade my 2004 LLY, which I just love for a 2011 Chevy 3500 to pull my 2005 Montana. I am pretty sure that the 3" lift kit for the Superglide will preserve my bed rail clearance, but just how nose high will I be?

My Morryde pin box is set to the highest, so that I tow as level as possible, I can't figure out anything else that can be adjusted.

Do you think that my 1800-1900 lb pin weight would make the 3500 squat down a little?

So many questions, but so big of a project, thanks for any advice.

You don't have a sig so I'm guessing you have a 2500 HD. You also don't say 3500 SRW or Dually so I'm stumped again so I'll just write down triple the facts:

All configs are diesel, 4x4 and crew cabs (pin max is approximate and varies a little with options)

04 2500HD LLY- GVWR 9,200 max pin c. 2,300
04 3500HD SRW LLY- GVWR 9,900 max pin c. 2,900
04 3500HD dually LLY- GVWR 11,400 max pin c. 3,800

11 2500HD LML- GVWR 10,000 max pin c. 2,900
11 3500HD SRW- GVWR 11,500 max pin c. 4,200
11 3500HD DRW- GVWR 13,000 max pin c. 5,200

As you can see, the 2011 trucks are far more capable than their predecessors. The 2011s have all new frames, far bigger brakes (14.2" from 12.8"), factory exhaust brake, 36 gal fuel tank for short bed (6'6"), available short bed for 3500 srw, bigger wheels and tires, 6000lb FGAWR (from 4800 for MY10), Duramax is beefed up with new internals and Allison's aslo been made far stronger. There are other improvements but these are the main ones.

Anyway, to answer your question:

Both the MY11 3500SRW or the 3500DRW will barely notice a pin weight of 1,900lbs. The may squat an inch or two but set your box right and don't think you'll have to worry about your trailer being too nose high (certainly the truck won't be nose high).

Hope this helps a little.

-Rob

I have a 2004 LLY 2500HD with a Superglide. We are looking at a 2011 SRW to pull my Montana.

Here are concerns:

1. The bed to ground height of the 2011 is at least 2" higher than my 2004.

2. The riser for the Superglide add 3" more.

3. There is no adjustment on the Morryde pin box that would help. I am up as far as possible to tow level. Moving it down will just raise the trailer in front that much more.

4. Your telling me that the 3500 would maybe squat an 1" or so. (Can you belive that a 2500HS will squat 3-4"? That is what another person stated on a different forum)

5. Is the actual increase height the difference of 5" minus the potential squat of the truck?

6. So my concern is will I be too nose high for good safe towing?

Thanks for the help.

Great post and congrats on the new rig.
Please enlighten me on the installation of the Pullrite Superglide with the 3" bed riser.
I'm picking-up my new 2011 350 srw crew next weekend and am going to get the Pullrite Superglide hitch as well.
Please explain why we need the riser. What happens if you don't get it?
Am I wrong in assuming that the hitch then sets too low in the truck bed causing contact between the bed rails and the actual RV body???
Or is it a problem of the pin box striking the bed rails when turning???
I was under the assumption that if the hitch is too low in the truck bed that you can lower/extend your pin box to make proper contact with the hitch head???
I appreciate the input of anyone who can help me better understand. New truck, hitch and trip planned in 2 week!
Thanks, Phillip