All runs were done from idle with a full throttle run using the attitude monitor and bully dog monitor for 1/4 mile times. No boosted launch because the edge starts counting as soon as you touch the throttle. I am confident that I could shave at least a second off my time at the track with a boosted launch. I can count to 2 before the turbo spools up and the truck really starts too move.

PPE hot xcellerator and Edge/Attitude on 0
15.3 - 99mph
15.4 - 97mph
15.5- 98mph
15.5 - 98mph
15.2 - 99mph

PPE hot xcellerator and PPE Enforcer both set on kill
15.22 93mph
15.24 92mph
15.22 93mph

By previous best with the Edge/attitude alone was 15.7 @ 93mph This was on a different day and I had a hard time repeating it.

Some observations. The xcellerator/enforcer stack feels stronger but doesn't produce the #'s. It would probably run a bit better with nitrous but it's got some extra rattle and it really studders on take off from an idle. The juice seems to run a bit nicer but it's set on 0.

I think if I had a lift pump I could get rid of the bursting and run the edge on level 1. If it would work I think it would run quite a bit stronger. I ran a 1/4 mile test with edge on 1 and it bursted quite a bit but still ran a 15.3 at 98mph so its right in line with my best time even though it was bursting.

The PPE Enforcer is the same thing as the Bully Dog dyno dominator. The box is different but I am sure the guts are the same. The Loom and plugs look the same and the Bully Dog monitor plugs into the harness and works to top it off. :rolleyes:

I had no way to time the PPE xcellerator alone but I don't think it would be much different then I was seeing with edge on 0.

I think I will try the VA box stacked with the PPE and hopefully I will see good results.

I am really, really, really looking forward to the TTS Extreme tune to be released. I am confident that TTS will be able to blow this stuff out of the water. I guess this stuff will have to tide me over.

Another thing I tried was stacking the Juice/attitude, Enforcer and xcellerator all at the same time with no Ill effects at all. I would be really interseted to see someone try a Juice/VA/xcellerator stack.

Nice MPH:D

Was it laying down in 5th gear with the PPE with the Edge on 0?

We haven't been able to try it yet

It seems to lay down if I accelerate from 60mph up but it doesn't seem to lay down from a stand still as you can see by the MPH.

Does the MPH seem too high?

I was sitting here thinking and I realised that my edge is set to correct for tire size )265/75/16) and the Bully dog monitor isn't. I am trying to figure out where that would put me. If anything my edge mph's should be more accurate then the Bully dog. Time to make the 3 hour drive to the track I guess. Too bad I am such a newbie to the 1/4 mile. It's kind of intimidating.

Big Blue best MPH on #2 is 96.

If you go to the track don't worry about anybody else but yourself. Don't even look at the car in the other lane.

I have probably made 500 passes and I still screwed up the last time at the track ):h I don't know what the heck I was thinking :rolleyes:

Strange. Maybe my truck is not as slow as I think. :D

I've got to get to the track, no doubt about it.

These are all in 2wd so that would explain the lower times and the higher MPH to some extent but it is probably still out of wack.

If you or Pat get the chance I would really be interested to see what Big blue would run with the PPE/Juice stack in 2wd from an idle using the attitude measured 1/4 test. If you get the chance it would really help me figure out where my truck is at.

It feels so damn slow.

What have you turned in with just the Predator set to kill?

Don't know. I'll try it tomorrow night. Quite a bit slower then just the edge alone I bet.

I have figured out with the edge you can hit test while your moveing and have it say waiting for stop give it some gas slowly push the brake to a complete stop until it says its ready and then you can do a boost launch. I hope the PPE hot is fater than a 15.5 cause thats what i get with my edge on level 5.

It will definately run faster, look at the MPH. I'll give that a try tomorrow Rand.

If you or Pat get the chance I would really be interested to see what Big blue would run with the PPE/Juice stack in 2wd from an idle using the attitude measured 1/4 test. If you get the chance it would really help me figure out where my truck is at.


I've run my truck with the same combo and it's pulled a 13.7 @ 107mph according to the Edge.:eek: It was a level playing field and I've been able to repeat it, as well get a 13.9 @ 107 on a different night. Haven't been to the actual 1/4 in similar conditions, but I am anxiously awaiting another oppurtunity to take a crack at it.:D

According to the edge? Is that a boosted launch with the edge?

I wonder if the 2wd and lift pump are making that much difference? What seting are you running the edge on?

According to the edge? Is that a boosted launch with the edge?

I wonder if the 2wd and lift pump are making that much difference? What seting are you running the edge on?

I can't do a true boosted launch.:( It would just roast through the first three gears until I let off.:( My version of a boosted launch (on street tires) is: build boost, let off brake, move about 10ft. max, floor it! Doesn't break traction until I hit 2nd gear. Edge 0, anything above 0 and get a popping sound.:confused:

What I find interesting is that at the track, truck lays down in 5th gear. Go figure!

If you want REALLY accurate MPH measurements for your speed tests, use any good quality GPS unit like the Garmin 2610-20. With the Garmin 2620, ( the one I own ) , you can set it to display both your time, speed and distance. Be much more helpful, if you had a Shotgun rider to do the 'reading' for you! That way you can concentrate on the road... Tire size, etc., no modifications matter in that regard, since it only measures movement.

Neat thing about the garmin, when you set your "trip" to 0, It will give you both your stand still time and your "time in transit". That way, once you "take off", and finish, you can take off the time standing still from the time in transit, and should give a pretty reasonable time calculation.

One thing to consider....The readings for the MPH should be dead on at the finish of your run, BUT, the other information may slightly scewed due to the 'refresh' rates on the GPS unit.

Just an idea for you to consider if you can't get to the track!

Since you seem to be concerned about your MPH, almost ANY quality HANDHELD GPS would work as well. Assuming you have an accuratly marked 1/4 mile 'track' already!


It seems to lay down if I accelerate from 60mph up but it doesn't seem to lay down from a stand still as you can see by the MPH.

Does the MPH seem too high?

I was sitting here thinking and I realised that my edge is set to correct for tire size )265/75/16) and the Bully dog monitor isn't. I am trying to figure out where that would put me. If anything my edge mph's should be more accurate then the Bully dog. Time to make the 3 hour drive to the track I guess. Too bad I am such a newbie to the 1/4 mile. It's kind of intimidating.

Any info on the how the Predator did yet, Max?

I'd like to see how it compares to the Edge. Also, which tuner/box/chip/power adder has yielded the lowest EGTs for you?

No sorry never had a chance. I've been camping and boating all weekend. I will try to get it done soon.

The edge seems to run about the coolest for EGT's when towing. I was towing my 8500lbs 5er and my 18 foot boat behind it today and I never saw over 1200 degrees going 70mph into a strong cross wind unless I was pulling up a good hill. I was running the edge on level 4. It's 98 degrees out and it is very humid as well.

I haven't had time to play with the PPE/Edge 0 stack yet. I'm running PPE/Edge EZ both set to kill. Fun little stack. :D

I'll try to dyno in the next few days with various stacks and see what I come up with.

I don't know if my times will help you any but at the last DHRA event in Palmade,CA I ran 2 14.0 runs in a row. One was 98.22 and the other was 97.83 mph. These are 2wd with a very low boost launch on the first run and alittle more boost on the second run(which spun the tires) What I do is bring boost uptil the needle in the gauge just raises off the stop pin. There is room between the stop pin and the zero mark and that is where I launch. The second run I moved the boost up till 3 psi on the gauge and spun the tires. What's funny is I was the quickest and fastest LLY on #2 for the day. 05 2500HD was there as well as quite a few other LLY trucks and they all ran slower that day than I did with there different stacks. So you MPH is right inline with mine when you used the Edge stack but your a full second slower. Get it out to the track for some real numbers then compare those to what I ran, this should give you a good starting point to work from.

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I don't know if my times will help you any but at the last DHRA event in Palmade,CA I ran 2 14.0 runs in a row. One was 98.22 and the other was 97.83 mph. These are 2wd with a very low boost launch on the first run and alittle more boost on the second run(which spun the tires) What I do is bring boost uptil the needle in the gauge just raises off the stop pin. There is room between the stop pin and the zero mark and that is where I launch. The second run I moved the boost up till 3 psi on the gauge and spun the tires. What's funny is I was the quickest and fastest LLY on #2 for the day. 05 2500HD was there as well as quite a few other LLY trucks and they all ran slower that day than I did with there different stacks. So you MPH is right inline with mine when you used the Edge stack but your a full second slower. Get it out to the track for some real numbers then compare those to what I ran, this should give you a good starting point to work from.

Any idea when we will see any of your tunes avalible to the public?

Steve, how fast did a 4x4 go with that tune on that day? That would be a better comparison.

You were there and ran Big Blue with your stack but I believe you used 4wd for the better launch. As I recall you told me 1.8 60' 14.2x was your best run that day and I do not remeber what you said your MPH was but I think it was 95.
CID, 05 2500HD, dieselrcr337, dan from PPE with his LB7, Magu all made there runs but I do not know all there times other than they were slower than mine on # 2 only. My best 60' was 2.06 and I believe everyone beat that.

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I haven't had time to play with the PPE/Edge 0 stack yet. I'm running PPE/Edge EZ both set to kill. Fun little stack. :D

I'll try to dyno in the next few days with various stacks and see what I come up with.

I thought you said a few weeks ago that the Edge EZ didn't stack well? I guess Edge is running the EZ with different programming then the Juice if it stacks. Is there a trick to it?

Does it feel stronger then the PPE/VA stack?

If you have shimmed the PRV, the EZ will work.

So the only issue you had with stacking the combo before was 1093s?

How does the stack feel?

I'm having a hell of a time finding the 20x1.5mm nut.

It 1093'd so bad you could not drive it, and bursted as well. Not anymore.

Was the bursting before you had the lift pump?

Bursted with Carter lift pump.

Thanks. Looks promissing. As soon as I can find a nut I will do mine as well.

Blue ran 14.1x on a soft launch for it's best ET for the day. The other guys were running 14.0x's IIRC.

Well they must have run those times after I had left as that was not what they were running when I was there in the heat of the day. I would assume you ran the 14.1x later as well. What I can tell you is that Max Power asked for some baselines and that's what I gave him. If you would like to post your quickest time of the day for him it would give him another baseline point to work with.Let's give him the real data for several trucks on the same day at the same track then he knows what he is looking at. If he is right there then his truck is OK if not he knows it and can try to figure it out.

Ralph what were your times for the day? That would give him another truck with similar mods to his to work from. CID was also there maybe he can chime in with what his were for the day. I know when I left no one had run a 14.0x anything besides myself on #2 in a Duramax. I also know that most all of the trucks were quicker in the 60' times than I was. My best was 2.068 60' and most of everyone else was in the 1.8 - 1.9 range. Now Tim kick everyone A$$ in his dodge.

Diesel Tech any idea when your tunes will be availble to the public :D

Diesel Tech any idea when your tunes will be availble to the public :D

Well I've spent several thousand dollars on other tunes to tide me over until the TTS is released so it should be any day now. :D :D :exactly:

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My times were to give me an idea where I am at and how much I was improving with different stacks. I am quite confident that I would shave off at least a second at the track because as I said these were from idle. This truck is dead from idle. It takes at least a second to get moving. But you are right I need to get to the track to know where I am at compared to others.

Gotta dig around for slip for rest of details, but my quickest time on #2 only is 14.05 for CC/LB with tires balder than Patrick Stewart's head.

Ralph what were your times for the day? That would give him another truck with similar mods to his to work from.

First run was a 14.12, I believe, I'll have to find the slip (somewhere). Best run shortly after you left was 14.08. 60 ft. times were pretty close to yours, 2.0's.

On a side note, I ran the Edge alone earlier today (7pm or so, 85+degree weather) and pulled a 14.2 @ 104mph according to the Edge. I suspect the MPH's to be about 5 mph off, at least. Same stretch of road where I do all my Edge runs, only place around to do so. Just a FWIW.

Gotta dig around for slip for rest of details, but my quickest time on #2 only is 14.05 for CC/LB with tires balder than Patrick Stewart's head.You guys are laying down some real nice times. I can't even get close with a similar set-up. :help:

You guys are laying down some real nice times. I can't even get close with a similar set-up. :help:

By your sig you have a Dually right? So your 14.5 isn't bad considering your truck is probably 1000lbs heavier then mine:D

hehe. I just need to get back to the track, try how well the new meats hook up. Hopefully have traction bars on by next fri as well..

Think I've not really had a fair judge of how fast it can go. I NEVER air down tires or adjust torsion bars, so I've had major wheel hop/slipping, but I will start to now. Will let you guys know how it does when I get a chance.

This thread is about stacking stuff with the PPE. Feel free to start a new thread about your upcoming LLY tunes. I like you Steve, and am indebted to you for the help you gave me and Kat to get ready for Kentucky, but I'm not going to treat you different than any other LLY owner/performance freak.

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I like that philosophy...........

Most the guys ran slower later in the day. I ran 14.16? in brackets and lost first round.

It is unlikely that any LLY is going to post what they ran in rebuttal. They are afraid they will not be able to buy the TTS LLY tunes when they are released.

Me? I'll run what I can get that makes power. The PPE makes power, so I run it. If it didn't, I wouldn't.

This thread is about stacking stuff with the PPE. Feel free to start a new thread about your upcoming LLY tunes. I like you Steve, and am indebted to you for the help you gave me and Kat to get ready for Kentucky, but I'm not going to treat you different than any other LLY owner/performance freak.

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While I could care less about the :blahblah: you have added in your post what I thought this thread was about was Max Power not you. He asked for some numbers to compare his with and if you had bothered to read what I posted you would see that what's I did.
Max Power asked for some baselines and that's what I gave him.
Now it seems the people have posted there numbers with no fears like you seem to have and Max Power can now compare his results to mine, there's or who evers he likes. When our product is ready for sale I will let everyone know.

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Ok, ok there is only one way to settle this. Diesel Tech you need to send me your hottest LLY tune and I will test it myself. :D

Problem solved. :D :grd: :lol: :exactly:

Me too, Me too:D

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I fully intend to make the LLY's go faster and pull harder than the LB7's........There is not a big need for folk who want the LB7 to stay king in the LLY forum.

rut ro! thems fighting words:mad: I pop in everyonce in awhile to see how my slow little LiLLY brethren are doing becasue even though they arnt LB7's they are still better than a furd. Now we got Mcrat thinking he is going to top "us":boxing: Bring it dont sing it cupcake! And dont be starting no crap about Steve being behind the massive conspiracy to keep the LLY down. We all know that that new fangled technology will never top the "old school" tech of the mighty LB7:muahaha:

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sorry......couldnt help myself:o: ):h

Mc Rat

Let's set the record straight here. In order to sell product it needs to be developed and tested. You were to be part of that development but after months you never could get around to doing it and I pulled the 120 Hp product from you and put it elsewhere so we could complete the testing. That put us further behind. I will not sell something that I know is not right to you or anyone else. If you do something that is unsafe I will say something so that members can make an informed decision on it before they do it. You want to run fast thats fine but you do not take the time to understand what is happening and why. Once you understand what the problem is and why, then it can be fixed.

We will see in September if you can backup your bets at the event , no excuses just the sled track and the drag strip! Would you like to double the bet?

This thread was/is to give Max Power some real numbers to compare his truck too, I did that and so did the others that were at the track that day. Its up to him to figure out if he has a problem or not.

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Competition is good for us all. You guys are fired up(in a good way) about making your trucks better, and I'm learning along the way. Thanks McRat and Steve and keep up the friendly bantering.:ro)

Competition is good for us all. You guys are fired up(in a good way) about making your trucks better, and I'm learning along the way. Thanks McRat and Steve and keep up the friendly bantering.:ro)
:exactly: :beerchug: Alot of good info.

Mc Rat

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

So are we doubling the bet or what? You know what you didn't do and so do I with the 120 tune.

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Are we racing? :D

If that's what you want......... your White 2wd Vs my white 2wd quickest #2 only pass wins for $500. The other bets are still in place unless your a no show. :grd:

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So let me get this straight.

1) None of the LB7's are going to be running #2 only.
2) No LLY has ever kept up with the leading LB7's.
3) No 2wd has proven to run with the 4x4's.
4) You have the ability to write custom code for the race.
5) Your truck is lighter.
6) You have the resources and plans to go bigger on the turbo, etc.
7) My truck currently runs terrible.
8) My only advantage is that I drive pretty good, and you want "best slip" instead.
9) You've been involved with sabotage in a "money" race before.

Did I miss anything? :eek:

Did you want me to give you a 10 second head start too? :D

How about we go by the rules of the event? Run nitrous or anything else you want. First one to the finish line wins. Heads up. Redlight loses. Pro tree.

McRat,

What does "You've been involved with sabotage in a "money" race before" mean? Some kind of Cheating?:eek:

This one went a bit off topic. Let's keep it about the numbers and we'll create a forum for Pat so that he can accept challenges :D Seriously, take it to the competition forum so this thread can stay on topic.

Mc Rat

I have never been involved with sabotage in a "money" race. You are sure full of it! I was handed a fuse, that was my total involvement. As I recall Kat was to race against Mike L. and the rules were never set. So I have set the rules before the race and I guess its more than you can handle unless you run out and add NOS like you did last time against Mike L. .................. my LLY 2wd against your LLY 2wd on #2 only. Just so you will quite crying I will add weight so both trucks weight the same since I'm sure they are about 200 lbs different max. Maybe event less than that with everything you stripped off! You have been bragging how your truck is going to whip my truck so put up or shut up and quit your crying.

as Chad said let's take it to the competition forum. you guys can continue the terms of your grudge match there, and lets please try and refrain from calling eachother cheaters when all that was done was Guy pulled a fuse as a joke. This has nothing to do with a match race between Steve and Pat.

thanks for getting and STAYING back on topic.

Now this thread is going to be boring agian. :( :D

Now this thread is going to be boring agian. :( :D

You started it... :D

Hey McRat,

Shhhhhh. How bout a little trip, we could meet half way at a good spot. Do a swap on our trucks, #2 is what the game is right. Bring Kat and the kids, I'll bring My wife and the kids. A hotel w/pool and a few cases of beer(and wine), I'll put some sand in the bed of my truck for the kids, good to go. You take the dough, I'll take the knowledge gained. LLY's need to stick together.

Rob

The End......

Or????

Further proof of the common denominator theory...