Does anyone know which aftermarket "box" actaully reprograms the TCM for firmer / quicker shifts? Or do they just let the TCM learn the new increased torque levels and automatically firm up the shifts. I see in the Juice / Attitude instructions, that it has a way to override the defueling during shifts. Does the Quad, Six Gun, TTS, etc.... reprogram the tranmission shifts firmness, or remove the defueling during shifts, OR do they all just let the allison try to protect itself from the increased torque levels ?????


My '04 is bone stock, but I want to add a box which also firms up the shifts some. I hate having to guess if it shifted or not http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

There is no program that will firm up the shifts on the Allison to date. If you are going to play, you need a Transgo shift kit and a heavyduty torque converter. The trans should be addressed first. I have seen the C4 clutches burned on some of these units, and if that happens, you are buying a trans overhaul instead of just a shift kit.


mike

There is no program that will firm up the shifts on the Allison to date. If you are going to play, you need a Transgo shift kit and a heavyduty torque converter. The trans should be addressed first. I have seen the C4 clutches burned on some of these units, and if that happens, you are buying a trans overhaul instead of just a shift kit.


mike





Mike,


Do you think the TransGo will hold a Quad 215 with a little stacking, and 4WD launches, or do I need to go to a Stage IV or Stage V?

The Transgo and TC would try like hell to hold and it might for a little while but in the end you need a more comprehensive upgrade to the Allison. Transgo is a very capable setup w/ a good TC. But a 215 chip plus stacking is an insane amount of abuse.(especially with the drag launches) The inards of the Allison can't hold on to a near 100% increase in torque, even with the Transgo.


Mike.......did I miss anything?

In just a few months. After testing is complete. Bully dog will offer the power pup with the ability to change shift points. If you are just wanting up to a 95hp tune the power pup with bully dog's shift kit that runs$90.00 should firm them up. I have sold one and should here back soon how it has worked.

In just a few months. After testing is complete. Bully dog will offer the power pup with the ability to change shift points. If you are just wanting up to a 95hp tune the power pup with bully dog's shift kit that runs$90.00 should firm them up. I have sold one and should here back soon how it has worked.


My pinkslip against your pinkslip it doesn't happen. Some people still believe in witches. Havent you learned anything here? Please do not post b/s here.

403turbo


Show me a comprehensive update that has not failed under extreme horsepower. The Transgo shift kit with a heavyduty converter will hold 95% of the Duramaxes out there. The other 5% are in limbo because the Allison was not designed to race. It's a wonderfull h/d trans for towing but not racing. I am aware of all the failures all the big guns have had with the Allison transmission. Just be glad you don't have a Ford 5R110.

C1's would be the first to go with high boost launches if you only have a shift kit and TC.

Mike, you need a ride in my truck if you don't think the Allison is a good "racing transmission" for a heavy diesel truck.

I am aware of all the failures all the big guns have had with the Allison transmission. Just be glad you don't have a Ford 5R110.








Really?? Is this like the big guns up to say 500 rwhp where the transgo shines?

Mnstr-fx,


Get a good quaility exaust system. You can hear all of the shifts and all of the TQ lock ups. It is also easier to hear any idle issues. Such as surging or fluctuations. The stock can is quite the silencer. At 500LBS. it should be. Just kidding about the 500 lbs. stock muffler. It is amazingly heavy though.

I am aware of all the failures all the big guns have had with the Allison transmission. Just be glad you don't have a Ford 5R110.








Really?? Is this like the big guns up to say 500 rwhp where the transgo shines?


Quad


What are trying to say?

You said you have heard of all the failures of the "big guns." I was just curious how big the guns are, and curious how you know about "All" the failures?


Serious it is just funny to watch the internet gods at work.

Quad


I know a lot of transmission builders across the country very well. We talk and share information. We help each other. We gossip.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

That is good. I have a couple of complete failures laying in my shop from 2 different big builders. I guess you know what failed in them as well?

In just a few months. After testing is complete. Bully dog will offer the power pup with the ability to change shift points. If you are just wanting up to a 95hp tune the power pup with bully dog's shift kit that runs$90.00 should firm them up. I have sold one and should here back soon how it has worked.


I know this is a little late now that you and quad are talking about racing. but i f you will read post before responding you will look a little smarter. I was talking about 95hp and below.Also the qestion was which programer changes shift points to firm up, and I was siply informing of a product that is comming soon. Why every post on a forum has to turn to a pissing contest between racers is beond me?


So as for the rest of you guys that are out to destroy? i guess you need to keep arguing with quad.


( not to defend him) but if you know anyone that has higher rwhp in public I for one would love to know. but 600+ is not for everyone.

Mike,





I love my Transgo. It is by far the best bang for the buck, I just don't want it getting a bad rep, so I would rather be conservative with my expectations and be pleasently supprised than be disappointed when I fry the allison with 500+ hp drag launches. Thats all, kinda like Edge, deliver at least as much as you claim, if not a little more.





Any setup will fail given enough abuse.


Quad whats with the chip on your shoulder? Looking for a fight?





Back to the topic, 500+ hp and drag launches, spend the bucks and build that puppy from TC to tailshaft.


I like Suncoast but any of the builders will make a good unit.

CYCLONE


Sell me one and i will test it with pressure gauges installed and give a complete report.


mike

Quad whats with the chip on your shoulder? Looking for a fight?








No problems here just trying to get my facts straight. Obviously Mike knows what he is doing I have no doubt about that. I think there are a lot of smart people and good advise on here, but there is a lot of BS too. I usually don't call people out, it is normally reversed.


What tickled me was the fact that someone knew of "all the failures all the big guns have had with the Allison transmission."


You don't find that odd? How about if I said I knew of all the problems that ever happened with any electronic horsepower enhancing device. Would you call me to the carpet? Yeshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif. I have no problem with any of the people that post here, they just need to think before they shoot their mouth off.


I didn't even get to the other BS posted by some because it is way off base. Even Mike and Steve will agree with that.


Just on a side note, I think the Transgo kit is a great way to help the Allison and it is reasonably priced.

Quad


I don't think it is odd that i know what trans problems the big builders are having. I try to help them when i can. When these guys start having problems (usually due to monster horse power) they contact a few of the brain trusts out there, Transgo being the most noted, and others whom i won't mention. We all talk and try to come up with different ideas to solve the problem. These answers benefit my shop and my customers so why wouldn't i help them? When i have had a problem, i have received phone calls from people i never met trying to help me. Maybe you don't have this kind of relationship out there in your field, but i do in the transmission field.


mike

I agree with you 100% about how people help each other in this industry. What I don't agree with is when someone takes a stance that they know everything.


All this started by poking fun that someone knew "EVERY" failure out there.





BTW, I haven't sent our failures back for various reasons.

It has come to my atention that I was not clear earlier.For that I am sorry.


The power pup after TESTING should be able to adjust shift points.


Seperatly I was suggesting a simple shift enhancer that sells for $90.00 to change shift firmness.


Again this is only for 95hp or less, the big boys need a lot more

CYCLONE


I talked to Steve and he said you guys talked. He explained what you meant about the trans upgrade. I thought you meant a computer upgrade. not knowing what bullydog is making, but it's not the answer. it might help the guys that can not afford a Transgo shift kit. i would still like to test it honestly and give a report. i am not here to pull someone down; i want to help and learn, and have fun. sorry for the misunderstanding.


regards, mike

CYCLONE WROTE( not to defend him) but if you know anyone that has higher rwhp in public I for one would love to know. but 600+ is not for everyone.[/QUOTE] hows 681 and over 1200 in front of about 45 doge boys in lilltle old jacksonville nc Edited by: king d

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif ATTA BOY KINGD

King d,


Did you say ? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_11_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) 681HP


What did you stack?


Two duramax motors ?

CYCLONE WROTE


( not to defend him) but if you know anyone that has higher rwhp in public I for one would love to know. but 600+ is not for everyone. hows 681 and over 1200 in front of about 45 doge boys in lilltle old jacksonville nc [/QUOTE]





Good Stuff Jess!


Keep the War alive!

King d,


Did you say ? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_11_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) 681HP


What did you stack?


Two duramax motors ? with 2 stacked together we did 1274 hp and 2400lbs of torque.if you need more details lemme know....jess

King D,


Please tell us all? At those kind of numbers you could put that motor in a smaller ride and have the fastest diesel alive.

what do you want to know i will give general info but not exact secrets,also the results have been posted on the dtr under eastern nc dyno day Edited by: king d

King D,


A good racer will never give all of his secrets;) Is it programming alone? A bigger turbo? Nitrous? Propane? All of the above? Clyinder head work? New camshaft? All of the above? Twin turb? New down pipe? All of the above? A broken dynomometer? Where are the results posted? DTR, Drag truck racing?

diesel truck resource is were it is.the trucks have bone stock motors,just electronic aids,and there was some rx used,but no new turbo or bigger injects

I visited the site. I have to go lay down and put cold compresses over my eyes now. You tricked me into viewing cummins.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.giffunny sorry but that is who else was there

King D


Man could I ever have some fun with this over at Oilburners, them dog boys would surely shut there big mouths. Way to go


Geno

I asked and am glad I recieved do you have the sheets and can we see them?

il try to send em to someone to get so they can put em up as i jhave no idea how to do it