I wish you guys luck. You are probably alienating the group you need most, the one's that have trucks that don't overheat. I personally have a 2004.5 GMC DMax, on which the guage never moves off 205*. I have faithfully followed every thread, looking at my truck to see if there were any differences between it and the overheating ones. I know there were some posts that agitated others, but that's part of life, with which we must deal. I never posted to any of the threads, but the "private thread concept" basically pisses me off, and I wouldn't post now if I had something worthwhile to add. That's my two cents worth, take it or leave it.

You might be right. There needs to be a solution to the bickering. We have lost the participation of several knowledgable people already from it. Look at almost any transmission thread here. It locks up within a page or two. The OH threads were headed that way too. No need for it whatsoever. For me, when the signal to noise ratio exceeds a point, I bail. I think most of us do. The community looses in general.

I am strongly in favor of open threads. I can always bow out if I don't like where it is going, but that does not serve the general community either. Whoever yells the loudest is right? No, ther has to be a better way.....

Welcome to the Wacky World of the Internet.

There is some very good data and some utter nonsense. It's up to you to filter it.

The pissing contests occur on nearly every board. You should see the Vette guys argue about aircleaners to the point of death threats.:D

Yea- but now all of us Over heaters and any new ones are out in the cold, unlees the info is shared. I agree p@#$*&% contests serve no one, but if GM was looking they sure are laughing now! Their go's our in with power train and some very talented peopleher on the DP. Opinions are like a..holes- we alll have them.
OK rant done, time for a cold one!!!

I don't see where we're out in the cold at all. The deliberations and commentary will be in the public view, and if we have something constructive to add, we can pm one of them with that information. At least the new venue is focused on results.

Ed

I agree w/ bettered. They could just pm each other or call on their cell phones and leave us in the dust. At least it is being posted for us to read. Good or bad, it is there for us to decide.

Gentelemen, I think we are approaching this from the wrong angle. We need to put out energies at getting GM's attention to this matter. I have read a WHOLE LOTTA talent here, and I for one have learned from all of you, yes the good and the bad ones. I take a little away from each of you guys, so leaving is NOT the answer. I think if we re-direct out focus to GM and get them to wake up and smell the cappuccino we would all benefit across the board.
GM is the enemy, not the other guys here on the thread. Collectively if all the overheater anonymous owners go into the stealer this week and simply state "my truck is over heating fix it, or document it"
And then we can document that 248 people wnet in with problems, the other 247 people would have some ammunition when GM says " we don't have no stikin over heating problem , your dreaming" We can come back with " Oh yea.....
After all no matter what anyone here come up with GM will laugh in your face and do what they want anyway, because they will need 5 years to test it anyway.

Gentelemen, I think we are approaching this from the wrong angle. We need to put out energies at getting GM's attention to this matter. I have read a WHOLE LOTTA talent here, and I for one have learned from all of you, yes the good and the bad ones. I take a little away from each of you guys, so leaving is NOT the answer. I think if we re-direct out focus to GM and get them to wake up and smell the cappuccino we would all benefit across the board.
GM is the enemy, not the other guys here on the thread. Collectively if all the overheater anonymous owners go into the stealer this week and simply state "my truck is over heating fix it, or document it"
And then we can document that 248 people wnet in with problems, the other 247 people would have some ammunition when GM says " we don't have no stikin over heating problem , your dreaming" We can come back with " Oh yea.....
After all no matter what anyone here come up with GM will laugh in your face and do what they want anyway, because they will need 5 years to test it anyway.
:exactly: :exactly: :grd: I'm in, what day are we doing this, Tuesday???

slickwillie,

Thank you so much for posting. :) It points out the need for some clarification on the private thread I posted. :confused:

I posted the private thread only after the collapse of the original "Overheating Solutions" thread. Its intent was to evaluate, test and validate technical data only. ;) While it was a good idea the parameters weren't tight enough to avoid the usual DP bantering and bickering the originator intended to avoid. ;)

So I took the bull by the ba!!s, err horns and posted a restricted thread. I personally don't like it either, but it was necessary! :o: Thankfully it appears to have the support of the DP moderator(s). Fact is if the overheating isn't resolved it has very serious consequences for us all. I, like you, have quite an investment sitting in my driveway. :(

The "LLY overheating" and "Overheating solutions" threads are still active for everyone to post on. Nothing has changed about those. The isolated thread is only to allow those DP members trying to discuss the really technical aspects of this issue a dedicated place/tool to be able to discuss things of a purely technical, factual nature versus having numerous posts about my truck does overheat while another truck doesn't, tire sizes, etc., basically issues that won't result in a resolution to this problem. ;) Fact is the overheating solution has eluded us for almost a year, IMHO these guys are our best hope for nailing this. :exactly: But they need our intel to, so keep the ideas coming! :ro)

The folks identified as invited guest on the private thread are certainly not limited to that thread, heck they don't have to use it at all. I'm certain they will continue to cruise the other threads to obtain additional intel, ask questions, etc., in order to have everything on the table. :rolleyes: But when they want to start tearing things apart and exploring the really technical stuff we won't be asking them questions trying to understand things that are way above our heads. I'm probably the most guilty of doing that! ;)

Those of you that followed the events over the weekend may have more of an appreciation of the need for a thread for these folks to "walk their walk and talk their talk". They can invite anyone they like to post on that thread, but only they can do it, not even I can add people. I will act as a conduit for them if needed to get things done. My objective is to help, not rule! :)

What I didn't do and need to apologize for is not asking these DP members ahead of time if they wanted to be on the private thread. I regret that I may have put them on the spot.

Again, thanks for posting this thread. Hopefully this clears this up for some, hopefully all. I certainly don't want to piss everyone off, just get this issue solved as soon as possible for all concerned. Feel free to PM me with any other concerns. JJ :)

And what are we going to do for 5 years, wish our trucks were running better? I think not. Overall, some progress is being made. We can try some of the things that seem to be working, or we can sit on our hands. I don't seen 'waiting' as an alternative. As far as contacting the stealer, let's do that too.

Ed

I feel like an outsider now also... The crap was bad enough ,, Now it's even worse with Private threads...

So long

Steve

I agree with slick willie, i have an lly, i havent towed heavy yet, but i have read every thread on the original OH & the solutions thread. I just got my 3k lb camper & will be towing a jeep or boat with it shortly. & if i have problems i plan to contribute, but not to a private thread for all the "chosen" ones.

All of these threads are full of too much blah blah blah. You hurt my feelings, you hurt my feelings. I am sorry can I give you a hug. Sounds like a bunch of old ladies in here.
I should have started another thread to post about this thread. Only post if you have info pertaining to the post. Put your big heads and feelings aside.
This post is just another waste of space and time, but I am tired of reading all of the other waste of space and time posts that have taken place.

On a positive note, there has only been a couple of the people that were actively posting on either of the overheating threads that have disagreed with this approach. Maybe we're seeing it from a different perspective, that's OK. ;)

Unlike the "Overheating Solutions" thread, the private thread is moreso a conference area or personal notebook for these people to use to document their analysis, exchange ideas, and crunch the numbers in more of an engineering approach to this problem. :cool: Yes it is different in that regard. But it is not a "Boys Club" or some "elite" private group of posters. They may be uncomfortable with the approach themselves, if so they don't have to use it. ;) But if they do it will be uninhibited. :exactly:

I would like nothing more than for the original threads to stay on track and move ahead, maybe this will serve as a wake up call and guys will clean up their act and get things done. If so the private thread can/will die on the vine. ;)

We can all follow what they are doing, if we have input we can PM it to them. If they see a need for your assistance they can invite you to participate. But they won't be deluged with unnecessary posts, bantering, and some of the rudeness experienced on the other thread. :D

Sorry if this offended some of you, just trying to get er' done! If there are constructive suggestions on how to do it differently put them on the table and get engaged on this issue. Otherwise those of us that are actively "working the fix" will move ahead, hopefully with your support. Nuff said. ;) JJ :)

For me the so called private thread is the only chance of gaining any help from me. I do not have the time to read through 55 pages of personal attacks to get 7 pages of technical info. I do not have a computer at home so I have to catch up every morning and after the weekend. I fell that I can add to the discussion, but only in the manner that JJ has provided us.

tbalz, thanks! Now get back to working on the overheating solution! lol JJ

This is just my opinion, but GM has a track record of dealing with prodcution issues like this. Why anyone thinks they (GM) would approach this any different at this point in time is beyond me. They have your money, they have already addressed the issues at hand...and it is in the 06' product. They now will attempt to minimize thier losses by EVERY means they can. You got to get serious and Lemon law every case. Giving this corporation ANY benifit of the doubt is irrational based on thier track record. Many of us have no desire to spend countless hours, more money, and still have a lack of use or greater depreciation on our product. As a group we should be talking to a ATTORNEY.....GM is truly laughing thier ass off. They will hold us accountable to the very letter of thier warranty outlines, we need to make them accountable for the misrepresented and backed product they delivered to some of us.

For me the so called private thread is the only chance of gaining any help from me. I do not have the time to read through 55 pages of personal attacks to get 7 pages of technical info. I do not have a computer at home so I have to catch up every morning and after the weekend. I fell that I can add to the discussion, but only in the manner that JJ has provided us.

I do most of my posting and reading from my truck. It takes forever for my T-Mobile air card to download "the cr#p" that was being posted. I'm not talking about the idea's. I'm talking about the bashing. I pulled out of the threads right after Fingers and I may stay out. I'm not sure if JJ's idea was the best one, BUT HIS INTENTIONS WERE GOOD!!! Maybe just waiting for stuff to calm down would have been enough, I don't know. If you read all of the threads you will see where several of us tried to calm things down and get it back on track. We failed. Maybe JJ's thread will die, but I'm betting it will help in the process! Thanks JJ for trying!

ochster, sorry about that last post if it posted! I was on the wrong thread. Oops! lol JJ

Rick,

tbalz and killerbee are discussing something right down your alley on the private thread. Were you able to seal up the stack last night? Were those pictures ghetto enough for you? lol JJ

The better solution would have been to have mods boot out guys that start crap when they choose to speak about the PERSON that posted rather than WHAT that person posted. Disagree, fine, but leave the person out of it. My error was responding back. I don't let people take free shots on me. I am not a doormat.

Now those same guys have a little private club. Congrats to them. They got me out. Works for me since my truck doesn't run hot, but I was in process of instrumenting it to map what temperatures should be at locations all over the engine.

My truck is going to be replaced anyway with the next redesign, hopefully 07 model. I like to have the latest whizbang stuff, I work hard for it, so good for me. Some people keep their vehicles a long time, for various reasons, so they are stuck with this thing. Too bad for them the overall movement has broken down, it lessens the collective power and reduces the chances of a solution.

Anyway, good luck with the problem. With the limited focus that has now prevailed IMO the chances are low a solution will be found. Find what is RIGHT about the trucks than have no problem and then find out what is WRONG with the ones that do. Then correct what is wrong. Setting up things to do battle with a defect means that the defect is always still there, working away, waiting for its chance to overcome your "fixes" that were masking it. Usually that moment comes at the most inopportune time.

Good luck.

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Rick

your part in the progrees to date, is about the most significant effeort undertaken. Without your effort, we'd still be just greeting each other. It may have turned ugly, but it wasn't because we were twiddling thumbs, you especially. accomplishing something. you have got the benefit and stand to be a great assett to really nailing down cause, with your instrumentation and regular trips.

Agree with you KB. God where was this tone over the weekend? TxC is still our POC with the GM folks and IMHO it is critical he stay in the loop on everything. But I for one do not want to go through any future iterations like this weekend. If you guys can patch it up and work together that would be great for all concerned.

A quick reminder, invited guest can invite others to participate on the private thread. Just be sure to post who you have invited. The moderators will monitor things and assist with keeping things on track. This may just work afterall. JJ

The "private" thread should be a good thing for a few reasons..For one thing, it will probably be MUCH shorter. That will be much easier for those new to the "overheating" issue to read through. Also, with limited posters, perhaps the same idea won't be posted mulitiple times. (I understand why that happens..most people don't have 2+ hours to read through the previous overheating threads to see what has been discussed and what hasn't been discussed) My guess is, they'll read until the thread goes on an off-topic bastardization kick then they quit reading, figuring there is no more good information in that thread.
All in all, good concept JJ. If I come across something of interest, I'll send you or fingers a pm..

Scott

Maybe instead of a private thread we should have JJ do a "highlight show" of sorts. It would be basically the same thing he did. Sift through and collect data and post the good stuff on 1 thread.

Rick,

The only down side there is the group needs to have the ability to discuss only those technical issues they want to discuss without inapplicable statements or questions coming in from well intentioned folks that only slow things down. I'm the worst offender for doing this, just didn't realize things were a bit over my head. Plus I'm not technically qualified to decide what should be put on their plates versus what shouldn't.

Note the group is continuing to post on the other threads gathering intel. This was the way it was envisioned to work. They come back to the private thread to huddle up, develop a game plan or course of action, then move back into the forums. Think of the private thread moreso as a private conference room for them to use moreso than an exclusionary tool.

It's just a different mindset and approach here on the DP. I don't believe we're structured to have private group discussions, this was the only way to accomplish this. If the mods have a way to do it that would be great. JJ

I don't read the 10+ page long threads any more. There was just too much repeat commentary in the long threads and hard to find meaningful content...

Rick,

Note the group is continuing to post on the other threads gathering intel. This was the way it was envisioned to work. They come back to the private thread to huddle up, develop a game plan or course of action, then move back into the forums. Think of the private thread moreso as a private conference room for them to use moreso than an exclusionary tool.

It's just a different mindset and approach here on the DP. I don't believe we're structured to have private group discussions, this was the only way to accomplish this. If the mods have a way to do it that would be great. JJ

I suggest it's beneficial to keep the discussion public, but limit the particpants. As you said, others with interest can follow the discussion and go off on various tangents on other threads. If any of us should find something worthwhile on one of these tangents, we have the means of addressing it to the private group FWIW, but you guys decide where it fits in the other priorities.

Ed

I have had PM's on exactly that. Suggestions. A new concept that may take some getting use to, the biggest workload on the participants, fielding ideas that may be old discussion or new discovery.

I will do my best to acknowledge those that PM. If it appears that there is a qualification, through repeat contact with a member, who has good grasp of the problem, and it seems that he/she should be involved, he/she will be posting concepts and solutions, with an invitation, as JJ intended.

It seems necessary, and efficient. I have resolved to think more carefully about responding, to keep the thread to the point, and uncongested. Only posting if there is something I think is overlooked, or to encourage "think tank".