Picked up my truck from IdahoCTD today and drove home for my helmet. Went to the track with less than 20 miles on the new system(miles from his house to my house and to the track).

I'm happy with the looks and fit of the set-up. Very well done. His mounts, fittings, and pipes look top notch.

I ran with just the PPE tuner and the twins. No pane, no N2O, or no lift pump. Temps were around 95 degrees and track is around 2800', not sure about corrected.

Anyway here's the time:
R/T .060
60' 1.849(spinning badly, not used to the extra boost)
330 5.687
1/8 8.82 @ 78.26
1/4 13.721 @ 101.92

These times are right in line with my PPE/N2O times without pane during a evening when temps(if I remember right) were in the 60's.

My best time to date is with PPE/Pane/N2O: before twins
R/T .046
60' 1.932
330 5.785
1/8 8.77 @ 83mph
1/4 13.39 @ 107.29

Today the truck was noticeably laying down after about 2/3rd's way down the track. It shifts into fifth and then kind of flat lines, It feels like lack of fuel. No codes what-so-ever, i don't think it's trans related. Shifts were nice.

I'll be adding a lift pump next, then some more programming(not sure what) and testing at each step.

I'll keep posting times with upgades.

Rob

Glad you like it. keep us posted with the improvements!

If you call PPE and let them know you have twins they can get ya some custom programming. You need some bigger injectors and ATS'S new upgraded cp3. That sounds like a killer set-up!!! Keep us posted on the twins....I am jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ro) :ro) :ro)

When I ran the PPE HOT at the track it ran a 13.35/ET and I too felt it lay over on the top.........other than that it ran pretty well.........

Exactly as you described it, like a lack of fuel, but I was running a lift pump at the time.

Let us know how that new tune runs when you get it...........;)

T:cool: NY.
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Let's see the twins

How much boost??

Is the stock turbo still in use?

Damm-it when are we ever going to see some f^@kin pictures :banghead: Anytime we ask for pics we get this :flipa: :rant:

The 1/2 track laydown is related to the trans.

There is something different about the LLY version of the Allison that nobody has caught yet.

Damm-it when are we ever going to see some f^@kin pictures :banghead: Anytime we ask for pics we get this :flipa: :rant:

Or This!

:nopics:

Then This!
:secret:

Then This!
:think:

Then This!
:drool:

Then This!
:RockOn:

The 1/2 track laydown is related to the trans.

There is something different about the LLY version of the Allison that nobody has caught yet.


Will a moded tranny lay down as well???

Yep. It will freeze the main injector shot at about 55? mm3 IIRC. We first saw it when stacking. We thought it was fuel starvation at first, but seems it is not the case.

Worst part about it, it is not repeatable. A SCIII trans will laydown seldom at 450HP, more at 480hp, and almost continously at 500HP.\

Best theory is that there is a new protection subroutine in the computer. It does not code, it just pulls back fuel for 5th gear. The "computer gurus" cannot do anything about it.

Is it TCM or PCM? I wonder if it is pulling power back when we exceed a meaasured torque figure? If it were TCM related, could a TCM swap to a pre-LLY model work.

The PCM is doing the "defueling", but whether the TCM tells it to first, I do not know.

I was fooling around with some stacks today and with my predator on 65 and edge on 5 it will lay down every time after it shifts into 5th with WOT. I never noticed it before I had my transmission built because I just thought it was defueling to prevent slip.

Or This!

:nopics:

Then This!
:secret:



hey juice :devilfing :flipa: :devilfing

:nopics:

Lets get the pics out.




Juice, :joke: ):h

hey juice :devilfing :flipa: :devilfing

:nopics:

Lets get the pics out.




Juice, :joke: ):h


LOL

I resemble that!:eek: ):h

:nopics:
Let's see the twins

I knew this was coming, but I wanted to post the info anyway. Nathan will post pics soon. He'll be getting the truck back this week to check and make sure everythings working right, then I'm pretty sure pics are coming. I pressured him to get some things done so I could race it, and he wants to be sure things are working well.

To answer the questions:

Stock VVT is in use as the first turbo.

I saw 38psi as max boost while racing.

I know most people will think that I'm biased towards this system because I have to back up my outlay of money. I'll try my best not to do that.

On the street with my limited testing, the truck seems much stronger. When rolling into the pedal the rear tires will break loose when the second charger comes on line, break loose again on the 1/2 shift, then break loose on the 2/3 shift. I feel there is no difference in the lag or drivability of the truck before or after the twins. The power is seamless. I never ran the pane/N2O in 2x4 on the street so I have no comparison there.

The turbos are quiet like stock until the boost rises, then the whistle starts. If driven normally, you'd never know there is a second turbo. When you get on it, the second one comes on line and heads start to turn, but still not plug your ears loud.

McRat, I've been chasing this problem since I started modding the truck. I've blamed everything I've run and changed everything up. Sometimes the lay-down is present and sometimes it runs great. My trans fluid is bright, smells clean, and I've never thrown a code. Drives me crazy. One time the truck will run 13.3, the run a 14.1 WTF. It sure is hard to win in bracket racing even though you have a great light. We need help. Sure is hard testing things when the truck defuels 2/3's of the time.

I'm not the best guy or truck to be testing this system. LLY with a questionable trans, no lift pump, lack of fuel. stock exhaust, and stock tires. Nathan(IdahoCTD) has never hinted to me to hide anything. Any more questions on the set-up, I'll answer from the driving side, but Nathan will have to answer the tech questions.

Thanks for not beating me up on the pics thing. I'm sure you'll see them very soon. If you're in town I'll gladly show them off.

Rob

Yep. It will freeze the main injector shot at about 55? mm3 IIRC. We first saw it when stacking. We thought it was fuel starvation at first, but seems it is not the case.

Worst part about it, it is not repeatable. A SCIII trans will laydown seldom at 450HP, more at 480hp, and almost continously at 500HP.\

Best theory is that there is a new protection subroutine in the computer. It does not code, it just pulls back fuel for 5th gear. The "computer gurus" cannot do anything about it.

Perhaps your doing research with the wrong computer gurus. :rolleyes:

Perhaps your doing research with the wrong computer gurus. :rolleyes:

Problem has been known and documented for a long time now.
At this point, the only thing left is the ATS Standalone.
No commercial tuning company has a fix for it.

Think of it as the 1093 part 2, the curse of the Allison. Both popped up about the same time, and neither has a commercial solution.

While it would be lovely if a tuning company would come up with a fix for it, I would not advise LLY guys to sit on their hands and wait for it.

PS - There is an inexpensive tool that will let you upload code into the Allison computer. The trick is getting a program for upload. At this point, Allison is not interested in releasing any programs or info.

While it would be lovely if a tuning company would come up with a fix for it, I would not advise LLY guys to sit on their hands and wait for it.

Talk to me goose, how do we help. I still have problems uploading pics(especially of the twins):h ) not sure what 99% of us can do. I'm willing to put in time helping out, but I need direction.

Talk to me goose, how do we help. I still have problems uploading pics(especially of the twins):h ) not sure what 99% of us can do. I'm willing to put in time helping out, but I need direction.

Well, at this point we are stuck with blind experimentation and data collection. I've been looking everywhere for an answer and have come up with nothing. This is the last hurdle to get LB7 performance out of the LLY.
We have close to the same tuning available now, we have defeated the 1093.

One important thing we can all do is just what you did Rob: Tell us when things misbehave and describe the circumstance. Do all trucks do it? Do all 13 second setups do it? Are there setups that are more immune to it?

I know that if I spray a pass 100%, it will do it every time on Blue. It's why Blue never ran a 12 yet.

If I find anything that helps, I'll post it.

I knew this was coming, but I wanted to post the info anyway. Nathan will post pics soon.
Rob

Yup, this has been said before....:blahblah: :rant:

Yup, this has been said before....:blahblah: :rant:

I can give a Censored about what people think. When you have a question or a comment that I can answer, I'll post away. I have fun with my truck, I like to go fast, this site has helped me(should say constructive people have helped me) I'm trying to be constructive and post things I think are interesting to D-Max owners. I guess it would be better to keep quiet and not share ideas or experiences.

Rob

This is going to be fun, I can tell already...Some people need to learn to first off take jokes, as this has been gone through numerous times, post edited for your viewing pleasure.. I am just busting your chops like everyone else is doing and will do.. I think you will find yourself under the gun like all the others with twins until people on the site start seeing pictures.. Me on the otherhand, just poking fun at ya so relax..

Would running pane with the twins help out? I was under the impression that pane is like putting injectors on a truck?

I'm having defuel problems too. I have plenty of power but I can't spray through shifts. It is inconsistent too. If there is anything I can do let me know

PS - There is an inexpensive tool that will let you upload code into the Allison computer. The trick is getting a program for upload. At this point, Allison is not interested in releasing any programs or info.

This was the case with OBD I, and then OBD II. Nobody wanted to release code. The tuning community will eventually get their hands on it. And then the LLY guys can ................
:grd:

I wonder if ATS is starting with factory code or just some generic industrial motion control software. :confused:

If I understood my convo with ATS, it's a device used on other transmissions that they are adapting to Allison use.

Still waiting for it though.

GMC, put a :) if your joking then I can :) about it also. I'm cool with razzing, sorry if I came off too strong.

There are ports in the piping to hook up various things. I'll most likely hook up the pane this week. mwgasman is good enough to lend me his VA box for the week, i'll also run that. I'll be at the track again on friday to test. With the added VA/pane, it'll be interesting to see about smoke. Then maybe some N2O on the next go around.

I'm sure the truck will lay down, but I might get one good run out of it:D

1093's here I come.

Rob

If I understood my convo with ATS, it's a device used on other transmissions that they are adapting to Allison use.

Still waiting for it though.

McRat,
Clint told me pretty much the same thing.


Go get em Rob!

Let's hope that the 1093s leave you alone for a few runs!. :D

GMC, put a :) if your joking then I can :) about it also. I'm cool with razzing, sorry if I came off too strong.

There are ports in the piping to hook up various things. I'll most likely hook up the pane this week. mwgasman is good enough to lend me his VA box for the week, i'll also run that. I'll be at the track again on friday to test. With the added VA/pane, it'll be interesting to see about smoke. Then maybe some N2O on the next go around.

I'm sure the truck will lay down, but I might get one good run out of it:D

1093's here I come.

Rob

You WHAT?!!!! ):h

1093's my rear. We'll fix that.


As Rob stated I want to make sure everything is ok with the plumbing and turbo before I release pictures. I test drove it but didn't go full out. The turbo had less then 10 miles before Rob picked it up.

Looks like I need to bring more than one box when I come up to Boise. One for a DMAX and one for a certain Cummins. LOL

Don~

...1093's here I come.

Rob

Use .040". One truck can still 1093 with .030", but most don't.

Worst part about it, it is not repeatable. A SCIII trans will laydown seldom at 450HP, more at 480hp, and almost continously at 500HP.\

Best theory is that there is a new protection subroutine in the computer. It does not code, it just pulls back fuel for 5th gear. The "computer gurus" cannot do anything about it.

I don't think I would blame the SCIII, because mine is doing it with the SCV. Are any of the ATS or SC/copilot trucks having the same problem?

Does anyone have the problem with the PPE tuner/PPE harness box stack? I can't remember if dieselrcr337 runs the VA or PPE harness box.

I run the PPE enforcer (harness box) with the PPE. With N20 in 5 gear the truck stops pulling hard.. i have sprayed the Enforcer/ PPE with 2.0x 60ft time of 12.6x @ 112.x. Later that same day i sprayed the VA and PPE at a 13.00 @ 110 with 2.0x 60ft.

IdahoRob.

EGT's are pretty cool now Eh?

Thank You Nathan :ro)

Got Boost?

so what is happening in boise, may have to make it



Looks like I need to bring more than one box when I come up to Boise. One for a DMAX and one for a certain Cummins. LOL

Don~

You WHAT?!!!! ):h

1093's my rear. We'll fix that.




Well... maybe just the VA/PPE stack this friday. Sorry Nathan, I'm getting carried away again:D I'm a damn druggie now and it's a hard habit to shake.

Juice, I don't have a gauge in yet. Nathan set a boost gauge in the cubby below the radio, so we could monitor it, well... on my first launch at the strip, I notice this blur, looked down to see what boost I'm running and only see a boost line. Boost gauge was in the back seat...Truck launches hard! Looks like I need a more permanate set-up.

fredw, not sure what going on. I keep you posted if I hear of anything

Rob

On the tranny problem, are the lb7 and lly tcms compatable. Maybe a swap for a lb7 tcm. Most likely they aren't compatable.

McRat is the new trans w/co-pilot doing it on casper?

Thanks,
Rob

When I ran the PPE HOT at the track it ran a 13.35/ET and I too felt it lay over on the top.........other than that it ran pretty well.........


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One common characteristic of the PPE and Quad's big tunes (LB7) is an overboost code/defuel. Put a Juice (preferrably no timing) on level 0 and it will go away. While it sure would be nice not to not have to deal with this code, I think people will be surprised at how strong this tune really is...

On the tranny problem, are the lb7 and lly tcms compatable. Maybe a swap for a lb7 tcm. Most likely they aren't compatable.

McRat is the new trans w/co-pilot doing it on casper?

Thanks,
Rob

Jury is still out. I haven't reported much on my ATS trans because I'm still trying to get it to work right. Once I get repeatable results out of it, I'll post my experiences with it.

Wonder how the computer realizes that you're getting on it in fifth...does it only do this at WOT? Seems like a 14b or d70 with steeper gears might be a cheaper/easier solution.

Hmm so there is a device to tap into the TCM programming...not to hi-jack the thread...but would it technically allow SOMEONE to grab a 2006 (6-speed) Ally's programming and then drop it into a (5-speed) Allison??

---Ben