: 6.0 with edge
xcman 07-21-2005, 09:21 AM My buddy has an 03 6.0 with an edge on it. He had to take it to the dealer for a problem with a sensor or something along that line. While it was there they did a reflash to update the computer. Since then with the edge back on the truck it shifts very badly. Taking out of park and putting in reverse has a very long delay before it will even engage. All other shifts seem to be very bad and delayed too. Any ideas? Did the reflash do this or is it an edge problem. Seems to shift fine with the edge removed. I will try do get some more info from him if I can. Thanks for any help.
Max Power 07-21-2005, 09:35 AM Send the Edge to edge to updated. Edge did quite a bit to improve shifting on the 6.0L
xcman 07-21-2005, 11:32 AM Thats what I was thinking, but he was told edge has decreased there power output like 20 horse with there new updates. True or not I don't know. But, if he wants it to shift right he may not have any choice.
XnetdoodX 07-21-2005, 12:02 PM It very well MAY be the fact that his trans is finally showing its effects from the Edge. Reverse and 1st are the 1st to go. I too run the Juice on my 05'. Shifts CAN be a bit squirely at times. I'm told by some that getting an SCT tune will greatly eliminate this problem. The dude who put ALL the mods on my truck says NOTHING but a trans upgrade will remedy the issue. In either case, if his trans is stock.... go with a trans upgrade. Mods are tough on them.
xcman 07-21-2005, 01:58 PM He has only had the edge on the truck for 3 or 4 months. I know he has ran it in level 5 quite a bit. No hard high speed runs, but some light to light playing. Do you think he fried something in the tranny? He does have a 6" lift with 35's on it. The guy he bought the edge from said to run it in level five it won't hurt it! I know the allison won't take that for long, but don't know about a ferd. Was he fed a line of BS there?
XnetdoodX 07-21-2005, 03:08 PM I was told by my dealer guy that I WILL need to eventually upgrade my trans! He wouldn't put the Edge Attitude on because he MAY have issues warranting if the EGT sensor was installed. The edge without the attitude has 3 positons. He said drive on 80HP, tow on 60HP and ONLY put in 100HP when i'm in need to impress. For what its worth, thats what the guy told me who installed ALL my goodies.
snoeproe 07-21-2005, 11:44 PM the Edge is bad news on transmisions.
RaceHemi 07-22-2005, 09:15 AM The edge will cause the TS to shift terrible and burn clutches on the higher settings. Get an SCT based tune, you will be pleased with power AND shifting.
Maxium4x4 07-24-2005, 06:59 PM SC should have done Fords programming. The torq-shift is not going to live with the stock program. Add one fuel box and it is toast for the trans. Why do you want to de-fuel when the original purpose was to add HP....oh yea....the tuner you bought can't change the trans files, so it de-fuels. So now we will call it a safety factor and monitor the EGT's and again de-fuel.
I have the most dreaded 2003 and looked at what the market was offering.
The Excalibrator with SCT's base files and 35 thousand problem free miles all stock.....speaks for itself. I do not have an interest in SC....just a good product.
For all of the ones who run fuel boxes....SunCoast and ATS are around the corner to help.
shawnrans 07-25-2005, 03:06 PM Does it do it is you take off the Edge? If so you are losing solenoids for sure. I've been through this and that is the first thing that goes on the TS tranny. Even with no mods Ford has had issues with bad solenoids. Beyond that do what Racehemi said. The SCT box is awesome.My buddy has an 03 6.0 with an edge on it. He had to take it to the dealer for a problem with a sensor or something along that line. While it was there they did a reflash to update the computer. Since then with the edge back on the truck it shifts very badly. Taking out of park and putting in reverse has a very long delay before it will even engage. All other shifts seem to be very bad and delayed too. Any ideas? Did the reflash do this or is it an edge problem. Seems to shift fine with the edge removed. I will try do get some more info from him if I can. Thanks for any help.
Maxium4x4 07-25-2005, 07:19 PM If your buddy wants to keep his Edge, you can stack it with SC's trans files. Call ATS or Innovative. His trans has damage already from the Edge so figure on a rebuild soon.
RaceHemi 08-04-2005, 09:02 AM Why stack a module with a SCT based trans tune? Been there done that, it's a waste of time and money. There is no way possible for a module to have the level of control a flash tune acheives. Just install one of the SCT based tunes, you will have more power than the Edge AND a great shifting trans, but then again it's your dime and your trans.
Burnin Mad Max 08-05-2005, 12:56 AM What's a good price on for a Ford EDGE Juice/Attitude? My brother just paid $600 including S&H. I couldn't believe how much cheaper the Ford version was than the GM EDGE.
RaceHemi 08-05-2005, 07:43 AM The Ford version is cheaper because the features are not the same. Hope he got a good deal, he can redirect those savings towards replacing the burnt clutches in the torque shift. A friend ran the Edge/Attitude on his 04 6.0 for less than 20k miles and his TS clutches were burnt, mainly ran on level 2-3 because the trans shifts terrible on level 4 or 5. He bought the SCT from Innovative Diesel for $400 and now refuses to run the Edge. SCT by Innovative = More power, better shifts, custom tunes, and no box(attitude) to find a mounting place for.
Good luck!
Maxium4x4 08-05-2005, 08:18 AM This is just an issue of lack of knowledge. Banks, Bully Dog, Instigator, Edge modules do not tune the transmission. They also de-fuel which is the opposite of why you bought a power module in the first place.
Hey my buddy stacks tuners on his D-Max. It will not work on the 6.0L because of fuel timing. You can stack an SCT transmission file if you want with a fuel box.
I’m not sure if it close to release or not but my last conversation with SCT said they have code files for the Duramax to use a flash tuner.
RaceHemi 08-05-2005, 03:16 PM Maxium4x4, I agree with the lack of knowledge however I say why stack when you can buy a tune that does it all, ie: TTS Extreme for the Dmax or one of the SCT based tunes for the 6.0. To the best of my knowledge no Dmax owners are stacking with TTS Extreme or the SCT engine tunes on the 6.0 side. There is no way a box or module that plugs into your trucks wiring harness can acheive the level of control that an ECM flash can acheive.
The big question for SCT is whether or not they can crack the Allison code??? That said, I am more interested in the Advantage editing software for the Dmax AND Allison than the actual file. Expect significant performance gains once the Allison code has been cracked and released to the public.
Maxium4x4 08-05-2005, 04:12 PM Race
Some guys like to have power levels at the flip of a switch. I just use my foot.
From what I understood about the D-Max Ally they have it figured out. Cummins is broke down but the rev limit is encrypted.....give'em time.
xcman 08-25-2005, 11:21 AM Well new tranny is being installed as we speak. He is real leary of putting the edge back in it. Is it ok to run the edge say if he doesn't go over level 3? Anyways from what I have read here I will be recommended that he takes a look at SCT.
Maxium4x4 08-25-2005, 06:31 PM 31 thousand miles with the SCT Tune in my truck. Lifted with 35's, the trans shifts just as good as the day I started using SCT's files.
6gunpstroker 10-17-2005, 08:44 PM Seems that if it shifted fine before the flash that it has probably dumped what the tranny had "learned" . I have the Banks on my rig and I notice that when I go back down to 4 after learning level 6 it shifts real hard. There are procedures for learning the TS in my Banks manual, might want to check out the manual. If this doesn't work then my vote is with the rest of you, another Edge kill. Not that it's a bad product but I've heard alot about them eating transmissions. Good Luck!
04 PSD 10-23-2005, 10:50 PM Banks just came out with this thing called a Power PDA its a plam pilot with a diagnostic program, measures EGT's engine and trans temp also tells if its slipping and works to prevent it works with six gun tuner or speed loader sounds cool adds up 155 HP and 380lb/ft sounds bad ass but is it true??
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