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: Lift Pumps


gunbunny
07-15-2005, 03:53 AM
Super Diesels, Kennedy's, TTS................Pros and cons?

GMC-2002-Dmax
07-15-2005, 07:06 AM
I think you's be fine with any of the three.........they are all good set-ups

I went with the TTS Pumps.........I have seen the SD setup and agian a quality piece.........and Kennedy's are on local truck and they seem to be working just fine as well..........

Price wise I think they all fall in the same $$$$$$ range too.

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ratlover
07-15-2005, 09:03 AM
The TTS set up is extremly plug and play. Even uses factory style quick disconects. It also varys the pump output based on load like the super diesel set up. I've heard the hardest part of the TTS pump install is finding the right wire for the boost sensor. And I believe both the Super Diesel and TTS pumps are in stock now! Heaven forbid anyone has to wait!

I know for a fact that you dont have to drop the tank on the TTS setup, the little quick discontect deals make hooking up to the existing line VERY easy.

bigblackdmax
07-15-2005, 01:11 PM
I have a fass and I love it. I don't know anything about the others so I can't compare.

gunbunny
07-15-2005, 05:50 PM
Thanks for the replies...not interested in the FASS at all.

YZF1R
07-16-2005, 07:07 AM
I too think they are all probably just fine. I happen to have an early Kennedy Diesel system and have not had a problem. It's been on for well over a year. Weather pack connectors, oil pressure safety switch, one shot run time at key on, underhood key on press button to prime filters, etc.

Steve

T Lars HD
07-16-2005, 08:55 AM
Ok, don't slam the new diesel guy but what is this pump? Sounds like a fairly easy mod. Where can I get more info?

Super Diesel
07-16-2005, 11:13 AM
These lift pumps keep the CP3 (high pressure OEM fuel pump) charged (pressurized slightly with fuel) so the engine always is able to maintain correct fuel rail pressure to the injectors. They mount down on the frame in front of the fuel tank. They get the fuel out of the tank and on its way to the stock fuel pump (CP3) so it doesn't have to work so hard and the system dosn't see a vacume situation trying to keep up when running big programs where lots of fuel is required.

Diesel Tech
07-16-2005, 12:35 PM
The major difference between the TTS pump kit and the others is our use of all factory sensors, our digital microprocessors controls and our fuel lines come supplied with the factory quick connects. What this means to the end user is everything you need to install the kit is in the box less tools. This allows us to not add any sensors to the engine but give full features: auto pre prime with key up, auto disable if engine stalls, two stage operation based on engine power demand with full bypass mode. All of the kits use store bought pumps so they are nothing special about any of the pumps

jmg343
07-18-2005, 04:33 AM
They get the fuel out of the tank and on its way to the stock fuel pump (CP3) so it doesn't have to work so hard and the system dosn't see a vacume situation trying to keep up when running big programs where lots of fuel is required.


I installed a nictane filter months and months ago. Ive checked my connections time and time again. Still, when I am below a quarter tank and have been stompin on it then let the truck sit for a bit(30+ min)and then start it up to go again, it will sometimes die, like its out of fuel. I have to then prime the air out and shes good to go. Do I have an extremely evassive leak somewhere or could this vaccum along with my tuner be whats ailing me? Just a thought.

Kennedy
07-18-2005, 11:10 AM
If you are adding a lift pump for PERFORMANCE gains you will need to drop the tank and add the Trippin pickup and possibly the Bulkhead kit.

I do not vary pressure, and do not tap into any wires, rather, simple plug and play operation on the electronic side. I also feel that whenever we can eliminate the single oring quick connects (especially on the "suction" side we are doing a good thing.

ratlover
07-18-2005, 12:04 PM
I see minimal drop in rail pressure durring a run down the 1/4 with the factory pick up. I feel that right now the trippn PU isnt needed. With a modded cp3 it probably is though but a guy with just a chip and some lift pumps the PU isnt needed IMO. The quick dissconects also got blamed for alot of this "air" back when people first started adding aditional filtration but also IMO they are fine and got alot of bad press that wasnt thier fault. JMO There are those quick disconects and rubber lines with just a spring clip all over the stock fuel system and there arnt tons of problems.

Diesel Power
07-20-2005, 03:49 AM
I installed a nictane filter months and months ago. Ive checked my connections time and time again. Still, when I am below a quarter tank and have been stompin on it then let the truck sit for a bit(30+ min)and then start it up to go again, it will sometimes die, like its out of fuel. I have to then prime the air out and shes good to go. Do I have an extremely evassive leak somewhere or could this vaccum along with my tuner be whats ailing me? Just a thought.

my guess would be you're sucking air. have you changed your OEM filter lately? its possible that is is leaking as well. if you used pipe dope on the plugs and npt fittings then you should be good to go. if you have the QD connectors, make sure they are clicked on all the way and that you didn't gouge your stell line where the o-ring seats. i run a fuel pump before my QD connectors (so they have pressure on them) and i have yet to see a leak. lastly, make sure the filter is tight (with a little grease on teh seal) as the seal os somewhat rigid and likes pressure on it.

now back to fuel pumps:)

Diesel Tech
07-20-2005, 12:03 PM
If you are adding a lift pump for PERFORMANCE gains you will need to drop the tank and add the Trippin pickup and possibly the Bulkhead kit.

While I would love to see everyone buy a pickup kit it is not necessary for a performance increase when adding pumps. I designed the pickup and it does what it was intended to do which was relieve fuel inlet restriction. I have post dyno graphs of before and after lift pump gains but some people do not believe they work. Those graphs were before we added the pickup. Now that more and more people are running the lift pumps and seeing the gains maybe others will finally learn. The pickup is a good thing and will reduce pressure drops in the pickup which allows the CP3 to work a little easier and in the long haul will add life to it. I would recommend a pickup to anyone who is looking for long life and performance.

If your getting air into the fuel system it is not because of the factory quick connects, just more wishful thinking from some people. Just about every fuel system since 1996 has them and they work fine in both a suction or pressure type systems. I would look at your connection points and start by making sure they are clean and free of debris. Make sure you used thread sealer on all your NPT connections as well.

Trippin
07-21-2005, 12:31 AM
While I would love to see everyone buy a pickup kit it is not necessary for a performance increase when adding pumps. I designed the pickup and it does what it was intended to do which was relieve fuel inlet restriction. I have post dyno graphs of before and after lift pump gains but some people do not believe they work. Those graphs were before we added the pickup. Now that more and more people are running the lift pumps and seeing the gains maybe others will finally learn. The pickup is a good thing and will reduce pressure drops in the pickup which allows the CP3 to work a little easier and in the long haul will add life to it. I would recommend a pickup to anyone who is looking for long life and performance.



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IdahoRob
07-21-2005, 11:02 AM
I have post dyno graphs of before and after lift pump gains but some people do not believe they work. Those graphs were before we added the pickup.

Where might we find the graphs? I know I need a pump, but just curious.
Thanks,
Rob

Kennedy
07-21-2005, 12:28 PM
It only stands to reason that the larger pickup and supply line only help and should be an integral part of any performance system regardless of liftpump use or not...