:eek: Just got the new motortrend and i seen this
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/nope69/Untitled-1.jpg

Motor Trend is not the most reliable sources. I am guessing the displacement is probably close, but the numbers, a lot can and will change between now and then.

This makes me very exited about the new Toyota, may be time for an upgrade.

This makes me very exited about the new Toyota, may be time for an upgrade.

What do you drive now? :confused:

What do you drive now? :confused:

'01 2500 Ext Cab D/A. . .Don't get me wrong I love my truck, I have just always been a die hard Toyota fan. They have yet to offer a "real" heavy duty truck here in the US. If Toyota offered a V-8 or I-6 turbo diesel putting out some serious power I would be on it like stink on a monkey. Untill then my GM/Isuzu/Allison has treated me well.

Tundra...HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:Nothing_f

:rant: I know that Toy-ota makes good vehicles, but you will never see me in one. I grew up right after WWII, but I remember the ill feeling that surrounded anything "Japanese". With me it is a patriotic and loyalty issue. Every time I see a Tundra, I think of how my father and grandfather felt about the "Japanese". What they said is Censored . I know that the Japanese are our allies now, but there is still an undercurrent of resentment. (On BOTH sides.)
I know that there is a lot of foreign content in my 05 2500HD, but the bulk of it is made here in the USA. And more importantly, the profits from the manufacture and sale of it remain here in the States.
Yes, Toy-ota and others have assembly plants here in the states. They employ US workers. But the profits go overseas.:badidea:
The demand for vehicles in this country is a finite number. So, someone in this country would build enough vehicles to satisfy the demand. So in the long run, approximately the same number of people would be employed even if Toy-ota & other foreign plants were not here. If the all car builders were American owned, then the profits would stay here. :exactly:

So, dw77x, You go ahead & buy your Toy-ota, but don't complain when your job or company is taken over by foreign concerns.
Your purchase of a vehicle from a foreign owned corporation will not, by it's self hurt the US economy in a measurable amount. But multiply that one purchase by several million and it has begun to have a negative effect.

Have a good day,

Britt


(My apologies to GMC2500HD. I was too wrapped up in what I was talking about & didn't notice that I mistakenly thought that GMC2500HD was the one who wanted a TOY-OTA.)

:rant: I know that Toy-ota makes good vehicles, but you will never see me in one. I grew up right after WWII, but I remember the ill feeling that surrounded anything "Japanese". With me it is a patriotic and loyalty issue. Every time I see a Tundra, I think of how my father and grandfather felt about the "Japanese". What they said is Censored . I know that the Japanese are our allies now, but there is still an undercurrent of resentment. (On BOTH sides.)
I know that there is a lot of foreign content in my 05 2500HD, but the bulk of it is made here in the USA. And more importantly, the profits from the manufacture and sale of it remain here in the States.
Yes, Toy-ota and others have assembly plants here in the states. They employ US workers. But the profits go overseas.:badidea:
The demand for vehicles in this country is a finite number. So, someone in this country would build enough vehicles to satisfy the demand. So in the long run, approximately the same number of people would be employed even if Toy-ota & other foreign plants were not here. If the all car builders were American owned, then the profits would stay here. :exactly:

So, dw77x, You go ahead & buy your Toy-ota, but don't complain when your job or company is taken over by foreign concerns.
Your purchase of a vehicle from a foreign owned corporation will not, by it's self hurt the US economy in a measurable amount. But multiply that one purchase by several million and it has begun to have a negative effect.

Have a good day,

Britt

I think that was dw77x post, not GMC2500HD.:confused:

I did an edit already... No big deal, but thanks for looking out for me...

I appologize to all for saying anything positive about Toyota, apparently this is not the place mention that. Toyota = Bad, Isuzu = best motor ever built, way better than cummins or international. . .bla bla bla can't have it both ways.

How is that American keyboard you typed your last post working for you? Oh yeah we don't make them. I wish everything I buy was American made and the best in the world, but it's not. I have accepted that and I choose to buy the best product with my hard earned money, weather that be my '01 dmax or my wifes camry.

I apologize to all for saying anything positive about Toyota, apparently this is not the place mention that. Toyota = Bad, Isuzu = best motor ever built, way better than cummins or international. . .bla bla bla can't have it both ways.

How is that American keyboard you typed your last post working for you? Oh yeah we don't make them. I wish everything I buy was American made and the best in the world, but it's not. I have accepted that and I choose to buy the best product with my hard earned money.

That is your prerogative.

Britt

That is your prerogative.

Britt

Thank you for seeing that:D

Thank you for seeing that:D

I just don't want the situation with car manufacturers to duplicate what has happened to the keyboard manufacturers. :(


Britt

I just don't want the situation with car manufacturers to duplicate what has happened to the keyboard manufacturers. :(


Britt

I agree!!

Driving around the other day I saw a: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) being towed/driven to a repair facility to be tah dah: repaired cause it twas broken. I followed those vehicles to see where they would be taken; some went to local garages and others went to: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) dealerships. There they had: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) trained mechanics using: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) genuine parts to repair them. If Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) are so indestructible why are there repair facilities/mechanics & parts available to repair them?

Buy what you want, enjoy reliable useful service and realize stuff happens and you may be seen getting your favorite vehicle repaired.

Have a nice day because you are living in the best d*mn country around!!! (USA, for those that forgot.)

I choose to buy the best product with my hard earned money, weather that be my '01 dmax or my wifes camry.

Who said they were indestructable?

I am a big toyota fan as well and guess what - they break down too, actually more in my experiences than any gm I have owned.


:exactly:

Driving around the other day I saw a: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) being towed/driven to a repair facility to be tah dah: repaired cause it twas broken. I followed those vehicles to see where they would be taken; some went to local garages and others went to: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) dealerships. There they had: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) trained mechanics using: Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) genuine parts to repair them. If Toyota/Honda/Subaru/BMW/Mercedes/Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Lexus/Infiniti/ (insert name of favorite vehicle) are so indestructible why are there repair facilities/mechanics & parts available to repair them?

Buy what you want, enjoy reliable useful service and realize stuff happens and you may be seen getting your favorite vehicle repaired.

Have a nice day because you are living in the best d*mn country around!!! (USA, for those that forgot.)

I am a big toyota fan as well and guess what - they break down too, actually more in my experiences than any gm I have owned.


:exactly:

Where is this coming from. . .who said anything about breaking down or being indestrucable? This thread has become dumb enough don't steer it off track anymore with things no one said.

This makes me very exited about the new Toyota, may be time for an upgrade.

In case you forgot this is the post that got everyones undies in a bundle.

I won't be buying any JAP Trucks. My 95 GMC pulls trailer every day in the summer and plows ever time it snow in the winter. Please show me a 95 JAP truck that can still do this. My 86 GMC was still in every day use until last year when a old LADY ran a red light at 40 mph and bent the frame. I have yet to see a JAP truck last granted the engine might run like a top but the rest of it ends up rusting away.

I won't be buying any JAP Trucks. My 95 GMC pulls trailer every day in the summer and plows ever time it snow in the winter. Please show me a 95 JAP truck that can still do this. My 86 GMC was still in every day use until last year when a old LADY ran a red light at 40 mph and bent the frame. I have yet to see a JAP truck last granted the engine might run like a top but the rest of it ends up rusting away.

You guys are funny you sure get bent out of shape on this. . .keep in mind (as posted) I own and love my '01 Dmax.

All brands have come a long way over the years. American vehicles (in general) have been playing "catch up" to the imports for the past 30 years, they have made much progress and in some cases (HD trucks) are ahead. If you don't belive this you are either kidding yourself, ignorant, or just dumb.

thats my two cents. . .

there are a lot of nice quotes in there for you all to cry about, lets see if you can get it right.

OK Park a 10 year old Toyota next to a 10 year old Chevy and see what vehicle is in better shape. Where did all the Datsun pickup go? I see lots of 70 and 80 American cars and trucks but Where are the old Japanese cars and trucks?

dw77x, you need to look back american car companys were making cars that got 30-40 mpg in the late 30's-50's(crosley's, nash metro) no market to sustain, most car companies(toyota, nissan) have design and research centers in california, toyota trucks were originally made by car div. sold here but due to problems was transfered to truck div. who runs research center in australia by the way. the nice thing about japanese cars is those replacement parts that are made in japan$$$$$$$ i think about 300% markup compared with american. funny thing is ISO standards came about to kick american car co. because you could go anywhere in world and buy parts for ford or gm at resonable price, along with sometimes better price and quality for euro cars (triumph and mg for instance). i talked to a person involved on production, he told me then about 20-30 yrs ago that american workers were better compared to euro policys for workers and labor unions. i used to change out lots of orings in japanese cars in A/C systems to US made so that it would hold charge down in FLA. ok nuf ranting.

Well, after Toyota had the T100 overhyped, way worse that the Yankees did with Hideki Irabu. ( They thought he was the second coming of Walter Johnson!! ) They need to prove themselves again!! Thats all. If they build their diesels like the ones they used to put in the Land Cruisers over here, then they will have a winner, but it won't happen overnight!!

Take care,

Will

I think the competition from Toyota, or Nissan, etc., is good. That forces the big 3 to be better! We are the ones to benefit from the imports. American cars and trucks have shown vast improvements in the last 15 years thanks to competition. Bring on the Toyota, I look forward to an even better GMC a year or two later.

I think the competition from Toyota, or Nissan, etc., is good. That forces the big 3 to be better! We are the ones to benefit from the imports. American cars and trucks have shown vast improvements in the last 15 years thanks to competition. Bring on the Toyota, I look forward to an even better GMC a year or two later.

Finnaly a logical statement, competition is the consumers best friend.

The T100 was big and new compared to any other tuck offered by Toyota at the time. Is it a big power house? no, but it does surve a purpose? My old boss has one as his daily driver for his construction co. 300+k no majior problems. Any vehicle that can do this is of some quality, right?

Datsun turned into Nissan (in a nut-shell).

Well off to work, time to fix C5500's all morning. . .

Finnaly a logical statement, competition is the consumers best friend.

The T100 was big and new compared to any other tuck offered by Toyota at the time. Is it a big power house? no, but it does surve a purpose? My old boss has one as his daily driver for his construction co. 300+k no majior problems. Any vehicle that can do this is of some quality, right?

Datsun turned into Nissan (in a nut-shell).

Well off to work, time to fix C5500's all morning. . .

The problem with the Japanese auto makers is they tend to compare size relative to their own products.

My wife has an 2003 Camry!-:t It is the worst car she has owned. And she has had 11 new cars, and a few used one.

If the Japs are so good, why couldn't they hold on to 100% of the small truck market? In the 70`s until about 1982 they had 100% of that market. They now have less then 30%

Holy SCHNIKES....... :eek: I was interested in the technical aspects of this new set up and had hoped to get some super secret info from insiders. Instead we embarked on a debate(Not that it is bad mind you)

I will add my .02cents. To me these are just motor vehicles. I chose Chevrolet as I have come to know how they build them. I am not saying they are the best, Just saying I like them. None of these cars are 100% USA...Nor are the Japanese or German cars 100% home built either. We all have a stake in them at some point. So does it matter...I seriously doubt it. Buy what you like and hope you have a long running, reliable vehicle that you enjoy and are comfortable with.:)

Technical Competition between makers insures all of us consumers are the winners(From tech side) but at the end of the day we all lose as cars are a bought and sold commodity and we all take a HUGE financial hit as they fall in price like a rock in water.

Anyway..back to the tech info about the post...This sounds like a HUGE step up:exactly:

I still have no plans on selling my truck. It is much cheaper to swap out motors and trans then buy new....

isnt this supposed to be a 07 hp chevy thread??????? If Jap made vehicles is your thing, so be it, talk about them some where else! I personally dont care to hear about them . (it is Isuzu designed and d-max limmeted owned and built in Moriane Ohio)

I won't be buying any JAP Trucks. My 95 GMC pulls trailer every day in the summer and plows ever time it snow in the winter. Please show me a 95 JAP truck that can still do this. My 86 GMC was still in every day use until last year when a old LADY ran a red light at 40 mph and bent the frame. I have yet to see a JAP truck last granted the engine might run like a top but the rest of it ends up rusting away.
I you ever visited a factory in Japan you would see the dedication those people put into their work. Thats why the amount of japanese (and korean...) built vehicles increase every day in this country - people beginning to realise that their money is not infinite and not everybody can affort the pride in U.S. made products - even is japanese made is better!
Having owned japanese, german and now U.S. vehicles I have to say that the build quality in Germany or Japan is better - thats just a fact which will NEVER change - simply because the people who build those cars live in different worlds with different values about things!
BUT value for money the dmax is better because the cost to produce a vehicle in this country is far less than Japan or Germany - and thats one of the reasons I own one. If Toyota or BMW comes with a good powerful cheap truck I will buy that one for sure - but who knows if that will EVER happen!

One other thing about the Japanese: If they had the problem with overheating like the dmax they would just put a team together and analyze the problem and fix the problem.

GM puts a team together (mainly marketing) to find out how to convince people that there is NO problem and go in that direction for ages, spend all the resources to make sure that there is indeed no problem! The same is true for Germany - its the western mentality compared to the east

I pick up loads of recycled plastic from Marion, KY. They make plastic moldings and plastic parts for some Japanese automakers here in the United States. I really would not be too concerned with keeping money earned in the United States, rather I am much more concerned with keeping JOBS in the United States. U.S. corporations are bigger scumbags than you might think and are out sourcing way to many manufacturing jobs costing America thousands of jobs. Off Shore Holdings and Asian sweat shops. I personally am much more worried about that rather than what happened in WWII (my Grandma was a rivet mad, and I am very proud of that…. so don’t start I am anti-American crAAp). If you do not want to buy Japanese products that is fine then stop talking out both side of you’re your mouth……unplug you computer, turn your TV off, throw out your cell phone, put the stereo back in its box, so on see my point. And if it is Asia as a whole then throw out 90% of your shoes and cloths, oh yea stop shopping at Wal-Mart.

I have never owned a Japanese car, but I would not never buy one based on race or culture.

I pick up loads of recycled plastic from Marion, KY. They make plastic moldings and plastic parts for some Japanese automakers here in the United States. I really would not be too concerned with keeping money earned in the United States, rather I am much more concerned with keeping JOBS in the United States. U.S. corporations are bigger scumbags than you might think and are out sourcing way to many manufacturing jobs costing America thousands of jobs. Off Shore Holdings and Asian sweat shops. I personally am much more worried about that rather than what happened in WWII (my Grandma was a rivet mad, and I am very proud of that…. so don’t start I am anti-American crAAp). If you do not want to buy Japanese products that is fine then stop talking out both side of you’re your mouth……unplug you computer, turn your TV off, throw out your cell phone, put the stereo back in its box, so on see my point. And if it is Asia as a whole then throw out 90% shoes and cloths, oh yea stop shopping at Wal-Mart.

I have never owned a Japanese car, but I would not never buy one based on race or culture.

Your are 100 % correct! :exactly:

mahalkita, thanks. :o: :)

Oh crap, not another "Japanese/German" cars are vastly superior to American cars thread again. :rolleyes:

Sorry guys, it ain't true, and possibly never had been true. What many people seem to forget is that while American cars had issues in the 70's and 80's, so did the import cars. Hence why you don't see very many of them around. They love to compare the reliability and features of their 2004 Nippazoni to their old 1975 Caprice. Tell you what, a 1975 anything was typically a POS compared to what they sell now.

Today? Latest data indicates that GM is right up there with best as far as reliability goes. Mercedes and BMW quality has fallen. Only the Lexus line is significantly better than US brands, and some of that is due to the lack of HP compared to their competitors.

I see those who tout import quality being superior as very "car naive" and gullible. I group them with those who think Pro-Wrestling is real, or a Rolex keeps better time.

Pro Wrestling isn't real???? ):h

I agree that the Japanese cars are not vastly better than the American cars...and JD powers has the fact to prove it.

The problem is always perception and expectation.

IF Toyota came out with a Diesel..people will buy because it is Toyota...not knowing about the issues with the new Diesels.

They have earned that reputation of good cars/trucks over the years....

The problem with American cars verus foriegn is inital impression and interior quality.

I sat in an ex-girlfriends new Nissan whatever...and that thing was nice inside. It gave you the feeling of quality. Nevermind the gas mileage sucked and the response of the motor was so/so....but she loved the car.

Same thing happened in a new 5 Series BMW. Nice inside...but the JD powers report on BMW's is not that good...but this girl loved her car. She did not even know who/what JD Powers was.

I sure am getting a lot of info on a 07 Duramax, maybee I should go to a Toyota site to get info on a Duramax,

August 1st is when details should be released on the 06's. 07 data is just conjecture. As is the Toyota Monster Diesel. Much like the "soon to be re-released" Twin Turbo Supra, it might be a long, long wait for it. Look for pigs flying just in case.

The 05 Vette is vastly superior to the 05 Turbo Supra.

But then again, so is the 05 Cobalt. :D

j/k had to throw that in

In case you missed that part. . . (j/k = just kidding)

Just another thought if imports are such inferior products then why is GM (and others) sacrificing profits just to move units (employee pricing)? At the same time Toyota is about to announce a price increase.

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/USATODAY/2005/07/06/920397?extID=10032&oliID=213

http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=36250

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05054/461633.stm

All brands have come a long way over the years. American vehicles (in general) have been playing "catch up" to the imports for the past 30 years, they have made much progress and in some cases (HD trucks) are ahead. If you don't belive :eek: this you are either kidding yourself, ignorant, or just dumb.
:funnypost

How does a 28yrs old know who's been playing "Catch up" for the last 30yrs? :confused:

This is going no where, get it back on topic or it will be gone... I think we were talking about the 07 Duramax? Correct???

I sure am getting a lot of info on a 07 Duramax, maybee I should go to a Toyota site to get info on a Duramax, That is funny.

):h :lol: ):h :lol:

This is going no where, get it back on topic or it will be gone... I think we were talking about the 07 Duramax? Correct???

GMC2500HD we might need your help on this one.):h :lol: ):h :lol:

Stay on topic. For future reference "this makes me excited about toyota" is not only OT to a disscusion about a chevy product coming out in 07, it also makes you sound like you have turrets. Everyone else quite taking the bait....

Maybe you shouldn't have helped it go that way then....

I didn't, just asked the guy what he drove. No signature and I was curious..

I didn't, just asked the guy what he drove. No signature and I was curious..

In all fairness your second post (now deleted) was the one that started this. I'm sure this will be deleted too like my last two posts.

Anyway, I appologize to all for helping this sooooo far off topic, I am done, and will stay on-topic in the future (if I am not banned).

The above is the last OT post. PERIOD The only reason its staying is becasue its an apology

We dont mid differing views but prefer to keep them to the right forum. There are these types of disscucions going on daily in the OT section. Feel free to express your views in there. :)

I can't wait for GM to up the ante. I might just trade up in '07, even though I figured I'd drive the one I have for a few hundred thousand miles...

I think what will be most interesting is if they up the capacity of the CP3 or size of turbo. Might make for some interesting upgrades to the older trucks.

So whats the limit? Talks of trucks with 700 ft/lbs of torque in stock trim is very impressive. Every year the different brands battle to be on top. If we do see this new dmax how long till the other push it farther? how far will it go? Will we ever see 1000lbs in stock trim?

Torque is REALLY misleading, and I always get suspicious of torque-only gains.

With a different program, turbo, and cam, the Duramax could probably hit 1000ft/lb, but for what? HP is actually what moves the load, torque is just how low in the RPM's the HP is. We do not need a lot of power below 2000 RPM. Your gearing and convertor keeps the RPM up past 2000 most of the time.

If you had 190 HP at 1000 RPM, you'd have 1000 ftlb of torque. Is that what we need?

Ok then how far will hp go? my point was where will it end, right now it's growing every year.

No, we need LOTS of BOTH! Actually no we dont.....I dont need any reason to buy a new truck. The general and everyone else needs to stay put for a few more years till I get rid of my payment):h

Emissions will be the biggest struggle. I can tell you that an LLY Dmax with 312rwhp (about 375 rated HP) runs very sweat and gets good mileage and doesn't hurt the trans. That's about 750ftlb rating.

McRat, that is about where my 02 is when towing 10.5K lbs. Any more power the EGT goes too high or I have to run 65 in 4th all the time. It was around 100 degrees for two hundred miles on my last trip over some good hills with a little wind thrown in. I was running near 1250 in 4th trying to run 60 MPH a lot of the time. I don't see what good more HP/Torque is going to do for the working trucks. Later! Frank

They will have to increase the turbo size, intercooler capacity, and cooling capacity when they ramp it up in order to keep EGT's and water temp in check.

So is the 6.4 for the 1/2 tons and the 6.9 for the HD's? I wouldn't think they would have two diesels within the HD line? Maybe one is for the 4500-up series?

right on no wake: i also feel the same way " we must buy american products" is just BS as long as overseas product is cheaper and built as good or better what is the problem( i actually think that some usa products are breaking down more than overseas) if toyata offers the duramax for a good price and the workmanship is their, and gm cannot, then i know what line i will be in, this is bussiness get use to it

I pick up loads of recycled plastic from Marion, KY. They make plastic moldings and plastic parts for some Japanese automakers here in the United States. I really would not be too concerned with keeping money earned in the United States, rather I am much more concerned with keeping JOBS in the United States. U.S. corporations are bigger scumbags than you might think and are out sourcing way to many manufacturing jobs costing America thousands of jobs. Off Shore Holdings and Asian sweat shops. I personally am much more worried about that rather than what happened in WWII (my Grandma was a rivet mad, and I am very proud of that…. so don’t start I am anti-American crAAp). If you do not want to buy Japanese products that is fine then stop talking out both side of you’re your mouth……unplug you computer, turn your TV off, throw out your cell phone, put the stereo back in its box, so on see my point. And if it is Asia as a whole then throw out 90% of your shoes and cloths, oh yea stop shopping at Wal-Mart.

I have never owned a Japanese car, but I would not never buy one based on race or culture.

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I didn't, just asked the guy what he drove. No signature and I was curious....




Hey if you're gona delete my posts at least be smart enough to edit the quoet out of yours.....-:t -:t -:t -:t

Youall crack me up arguing a Japanese engine (Isuzu Dmax) against Japanese cars and trucks. Open your eyes.... GM has failed in the diesel design game... miserably. They sold the 6.5TD engine away and no longer make a diesel at all. Even then it was Detroit Diesel that designed the 6.5TD. It's Isuzu against Toyota? Is Toyota designing their own diesel or are they using someone elses engine?


In case some of you don't know, the Duramax was designed by Isuzu. GM had very little to do with it except for packaging and power/performance specifications.

That's a lot of smack from a guy who drives a mexican built german truck...

hoot: was that not you i seen the other day at the dealer, trying to hash out a deal on a new 06 duramax, from what i could tell your face was not to happy from the difference they quoted you, fill us in

I appologize to all for saying anything positive about Toyota, apparently this is not the place mention that. Toyota = Bad, Isuzu = best motor ever built, way better than cummins or international. . .bla bla bla can't have it both ways.

How is that American keyboard you typed your last post working for you? Oh yeah we don't make them. I wish everything I buy was American made and the best in the world, but it's not. I have accepted that and I choose to buy the best product with my hard earned money, weather that be my '01 dmax or my wifes camry.

dw77x,

Just let it go!

This is not the type of forum to express opinions that have anything to to with politics or culture! It's better just to make your point well, "which you did", and let it drop before it invites an "Off Topic" ideological rant!

Is there any "reliable" news about Toyota making a a 3/4 ton diesel? All I've heard are rumors! I'd love to see them make a small diesel that would get better mileage! Wouldn't it be great to have a diesel adequate for most towing that got 25 to 30 MPG not towing, instead of the "Tim the Toolman" horsepower race at the expense of fuel economy! I think there's a market for a 4.5 to 5.0 Liter diesel! I had a 5.9 Cummins and it had more power than I "really" needed! My Duramax mileage isn't impressive!

I've got two Tundras that are bullet proof, but the mileage isn't great! My '01 V8 gets about 18 MPG on the highway! They added another gear and it didn't seem to help much according to my friends with '06 models! Fuel isn't going to get cheaper with China and India competing for it! We're going to wind up with 800 H.P. trucks that sit in the garage!

dw77x,

Just let it go!



I did. . .that quote was from July 13.

In fact I think this thread is about the possible new Dmax engine. Heck with the new six speed allison and possibly a new and improved Dmax on the horizon that makes me exited. . .am I ready to give up my '01????

To dw77x,

I wasn't critcizing your comments in any way! I was just suggesting that many on this forum don't welcome different points of view! It may be better to just make a point for those like me do welcome a different point of view and then drop it before someone drags you into a ranting argument that serves no purpose! There's plenty of that in the "Off Topic" section!

i bet over 50% of all gm electronics are japenese, they import to us as we export to them. come on be nice.:grd:

ALTHOUGH I LOVE MY DURAMAX, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS GOOD AS A CUMMINS. TAKE THEM BOTH APART AND LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE CONNECTING RODS, YUP, THE CUMMINS IS BIGGER AND BETTER. THATS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE. I'M RETIRED TRUCK DRIVER, DROVE EM ALL. I'M REALLY A CAT FAN.:blahblah:

ALTHOUGH I LOVE MY DURAMAX, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS GOOD AS A CUMMINS. TAKE THEM BOTH APART AND LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE CONNECTING RODS, YUP, THE CUMMINS IS BIGGER AND BETTER. THATS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE. I'M RETIRED TRUCK DRIVER, DROVE EM ALL. I'M REALLY A CAT FAN.:blahblah:


Not to be an ass, but how many of either have you seen the rods fail in?

The cummins rods are bigger because it is an inline 6. In my humble opinion, the rods have nothing to do with the reliability of these motors. They have all proven to last.

Now, you take the fit and finish of the dodge, after a few years.... and see how they deteriorate. The trucks just seem to fall apart. The engines run forever, I'll give them that - but I want the whole package, myself.):h

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There is already a current Con Rod thread and size doesn’t matter at least in this case. And modern Cats are just inefficient, oil burning POS.

Torque is REALLY misleading, and I always get suspicious of torque-only gains.

With a different program, turbo, and cam, the Duramax could probably hit 1000ft/lb, but for what? HP is actually what moves the load, torque is just how low in the RPM's the HP is. We do not need a lot of power below 2000 RPM. Your gearing and convertor keeps the RPM up past 2000 most of the time.

If you had 190 HP at 1000 RPM, you'd have 1000 ftlb of torque. Is that what we need?


Lower rpm typically = longer life

Unless we are talking drag racing, power over 2500 rpm is useless. It wastes fuel, hard on the motor and is noisy. You want peak torque to straddle 2000 rpms.

This is an ALL AMERICAN diesel... initially designed for medium duty equipment. The only way the 07 Dmax will beat it is like a Bic lighter beats the Olympic torch..... light first, goes out first :help: :lol:

http://www.getdieselpower.com/my04dodge_files/600cutaway/images/DSCN4813.jpg

Lower rpm typically = longer life

Unless we are talking drag racing, power over 2500 rpm is useless. It wastes fuel, hard on the motor and is noisy. You want peak torque to straddle 2000 rpms.

This is an ALL AMERICAN diesel... initially designed for medium duty equipment. The only way the 07 Dmax will beat it is like a Bic lighter beats the Olympic torch..... light first, goes out first :help: :lol:

http://www.getdieselpower.com/my04dodge_files/600cutaway/images/DSCN4813.jpg


The HO 5.9 Cummins is not a medium duty engine. A 300HP medium duty engine is normally pretty large. Now when rated at about 215HP, it probably is.

Doesn't look like much of a motor to me, there’s a few holes in it.

ive worked for lexus and currently work for toyota. toyota makes lexus and scion, and all three brands are really damn good cars and trucks. toyotas new line of trucks are going to be sick...gm bettercome out with a new badass diesel. that will probably be made by isuzu or hell maybe toyota because maybe you didnt know it but gm already uses alot of toyotas technology and parts. i mean hell the pontiac vibe is a toyota matrix with different badges....

GM did come out with a new badass diesel....360 hp & 650 ft/lb of torque

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Hey Hoot, how many problems have you had with your cummins??
I'm sure you've needed many injectors replaced already,
I'm sure your cummins needs 2nd dary fuel filter to prevent injector contamination.....
How about the over heating problem you had...
Do I need to continue???:lol:

hoot you there man?

i bet over 50% of all gm electronics are japenese, they import to us as we export to them. come on be nice.:grd:

What's your wager? Look up the meaning of Delco. It's an acronym BTW. Anywho, 90% of the Silverado/Sierra are made with domestic parts. Texas Instruments in Dallas, TX supplies lots of electronic parts to the big 3. Lots of them come from my building.

Anyway, the next HD will be available in 07, but as an 08 model. GM is looking to offer more diesels in more models. Next should be a diesel in the Aveo. Recently announced that the H3 will have a diesel option in the future with no time frame given. If the H3 has a diesel, the Colorado/Canyon just might get it too. That would be my next truck for sure. I think the Silverado/Sierra 1500 is being designed with a baby Dmax in mind, but won't be available as soon as it comes out early next year. I also don't see the next HD to have a brand new diesel either. I believe it will still have the LBZ 6.6L but with better numbers than what they are listing now. It new HD will be designed to accomodate the next Dmax but anything past model year 07 is purely speculation. In the diesel war that is going on right now, no one is going to be announcing numbers 2 whole years in advance. The 1500's are supposed to be available for purchase early 2006 and no one has a picture of the new trucks out of camo yet. So HD shots are going to be rare until the 1500's are released and we sure are not going to know ANY details of engine options for the next HD until early 2007 at the soonest.

I am a loyal GM fan. Long history of why. I was a tech at a GM dealer for years and saw plenty of GM problems. However, many of my friends owned Toyota and Honda. Strangely enough they were putting these "run forever" cars/trucks in the shops as often and sometimes more than the GM stuff I worked on all day long. As the foreign competitors have ahd to step up and make the power to match american vehicles or actualy full size (or close) pickups, their reliability has suffered. Consumer reports loves foreign cars and their way of obtaining reliability statistics is skewed. Don't believe everything they publish. I wouldn't own a foreign car because I have had better reliability with my american cars than my friends have had with their foreign cars. Plus, GM doesn't make you pay a ton to replace your plastic timing chain @ 60,000 miles as "maintenance" That is a big amount of $$$ towards repairs right there.
OK :rant:

All this is to say, drive whatever you want. I know I will always drive GM and my wife will too. Just be careful why. So many people I know buy foreign cars based on the percieved "better reliabilty and mileage" myths that are out there and are disappointed. In fact 2 of them just got rid of their foregn cars and are driving GM (they had major reiability issues). Both swear they are done with foreign cars.

The HO 5.9 Cummins is not a medium duty engine. A 300HP medium duty engine is normally pretty large. Now when rated at about 215HP, it probably is.

So the ISB is a detuned medium duty engine. One thing for sure they sure are simpler and much easier to work on.

As for the wager on a majority of the electonics being made in the USA... I agree, every Bosh part that I have replaced thus far says so. Seems that all the plastic parts like ducts are what say made in Japan. And I know of at least on guy who is making his own stuff to
replace these kind of unwanted items.
;)

every Bosh part that I have replaced thus far says so.
;)

I'm not sure where the denso electronic parts on my Camry are made, have not had to replace any.

Seems that all the plastic parts like ducts are what say made in Japan. And I know of at least on guy who is making his own stuff to
replace these kind of unwanted items.
;)

I suppose his are better too, right? It's such a pain in the butt when an air duct fails.

I suppose his are better too, right? It's such a pain in the butt when an air duct fails.

I would sure hope so. (Metal vs. Plastic)

They ducting doesn't really fail it leaks. But I get your drift, and if you are happy with stock performance it's not a problem. However, if you want to play with the modified detuned medium duty engine guys this year better ducting should be addressed.