Anyone seen the towing capacites for the 04 1 tons?


GM 12,000


Dodge 13,000


Ford 14,200


I can't remember the torq and hp numbers exactly though. Dang old age. But I do know the 6.0L does have the highest outputs @ 325hp and 560 tq. Isuzu was 310hp and 520tq. The Hp might not be correct. The dodge 305hp and 555tq.





The rpm ratings for these numbers are pretty equal.

U Who Isuzu boys?!?!?!?!?!? No comments? The 3500 Isuzu's are even dually's. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

Depends on the set-up.I think you can get a Dodge or G.M. to 16,000+ lbs. with the proper configuration.The new D-max will be 310h.p./590ft.lbs. and the new "600" Cummins will be 325/600.Ain't competition coolhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif...Doug

how is fords tranny? can it handle all that torque.. my 92 7.3 f-250 is on its forth transmission needs #5 E4OD is a nasty word.

The tranny was tested against the allison that is currently in the Isuzu's and it passed everything and was given the same ratings as the Isuzu's. It is a new transmission and I love it. Hit the tow/haul button with synco brakes on your trailer and the tranny does almost all the work slowing you down.

No such thing as a 3500 Isuzu, as they don't make full size pickups and they are available with SRW. Engine is made by Dmax Ltd a GM company. So how come you don't call the Ford an International? Grade braking was available first on the Allison. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I can't remember the torq and hp numbers exactly though. Dang old age. But I do know the 6.0L does have the highest outputs @ 325hp and 560 tq. Isuzu was 310hp and 520tq. The Hp might not be correct. The dodge 305hp and 555tq.


The rpm ratings for these numbers are pretty equal.





IIRC the RPM ratings are substantially different. Isn't the 6.0L a relatively high reving engine compared to the others?

Max Torq on the Ford is at 2500 RPM and 3300rpm on Hp if I remember correctly.


I have no problem calling the Ford an International even and International Harvester doesn't bother me a bit.


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I can't remember the torq and hp numbers exactly though. Dang old age. But I do know the 6.0L does have the highest outputs @ 325hp and 560 tq. Isuzu was 310hp and 520tq. The Hp might not be correct. The dodge 305hp and 555tq.


The rpm ratings for these numbers are pretty equal.





IIRC the RPM ratings are substantially different. Isn't the 6.0L a relatively high reving engine compared to the others?








Remember, Peak power/torque figured mean almost NOTHING for towing. What you really should compare is AVERAGE POWER across the engine's operating range. Area under the curve is more important than the spike in power at one certain RPM. The old powerstrokes were bad like this - I understand the new ones make a much more broad power curve.

Max Torq on the Ford is at 2500 RPM and 3300rpm on Hp if I remember correctly.


I have no problem calling the Ford an International even and International Harvester doesn't bother me a bit.


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Seeing that Ford recalled over 66k 2003 6.0s, then made over 30 changes to the 2004s (turbo, injectors, water pump, oil system, ICP, etc, etc.) in an attempt to fix the 6.0 problems only to have to recall over 11k 2004 6.0s already for bad crank journals, I wouldn't be calling it anything but .... I like IH Binders as much as the next guy but the 6.0 is a dud.

For as big of a piece the 6.0L is it didnt have any trouble starting at 25 below not plugged in. Cant say that for the 03 Dmax that wouldnt start and that was plugged in. We both fuel up at the same place also, so I know it wasn't the fuel. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Those 04's that were recalled were 03 production parts from the same lot the 03's that were recalled came from.


As I stated previously the Ford is a good truck and the Isuzu is a good truck, but I prefer the International Harvester.


The new numbers for the Isuzu came after they installed the turbo from the same company that makes the turbo for IH. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Same turbo company, better version of the VVT. Duramax LTD in the USA builds the Duramax. Maybe the 6.0s would work if Isuzu designed them too. The 04 recall had nothing to do with the 03 recalls and in fact happened months later and for a different problem. Many Duramax owners here live in Alaska have no problems starting there trucks. Kind of a stretch saying one wouldn't start even though it was plugged in. Don't ya think?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Just stating that it wouldnt start.


The problems were the same for the 03 and 04 because the same cast parts were used in both. They came from the same set of casts and order numbers.


Of course the turbo is better it's a later model. Anytime you want to having a towing contest just look me up. If you want my home address send me a private message and we can do some comparisons.

Why "of course the turbo is better.." the 04 PSD got a new turbo too. As far as having a towing contest unless your truck dyno's over 400rwhp and over 900lb-ft it's not even in the same league. I know the Ford's frame and rear axle aren't. And yeah, I'm gonna drive all the way to MN to smoke a Ford when I can smoke as many as I want here.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

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You beating up on them Fords again ??


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Looks like Bird man picked on and opened his mouth towards a truck he knows nothing about. He He He I think he been watchin to many phony Ferd commercials.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


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Sorry Mac, I guess I shouldn't since they're such an easy target. There are plenty of great running 7.3s around (including our 97, thanks Jannetty) but finding a 6.0 that actually runs to beat up on can be a challenge.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

The 12,000 lbs stated for the GM tow capacity is for a tongue pull trailer and is limited because of hitch capacity. 5th wheel towing is 15,000 for CC; 15,200 for ext cab and 15,600 for regular cab. A 2500HD ranges from 15,200 to 15,800 depending on cab. These are auto trans numbers for a 2001 which I doubt have changed yet.


It appears that GM has higher tow ratings.


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International Harvester, Now there's the company that bought us the forever Breaking T/A in every tractor they produced. They did have a good combine design though. A friend of mine taped a jar onto the side of his tractor and said he drops a fifty dollar bill into the jar everytime he pulls the lever. And when he runs out of money he unbolts the lever. So in other words IH does not say reliable to me. O ya IH went broke in the 1980's somehow the truck divison carried on. I wish ford would have used a DEERE or CAT engine, now that would have really been something!!!

Tom, the numbers stated above are for all tongue weights.


Pinky, my 1066 Turbo still runs like a top and hasn't been rebuilt since 1980. It has over 100,000 hours on it. My 4020 JD has about the same. Both are good tractors.


The JD and the Genusis Tractors had a 460 diesel in them. It was actually a 460 punched to a 466 cu in in the mid 90's.


Just hauled from MN to CO, then to NM and over to TX and back up to MN again and had no problems whatsoever. 75 to 85mph the entire way and was hauling 24k.


For the person that made the comment on the frames. GM was actually rated the lowest between Dodge, Ford and GM for the 2500 to 3500 trucks.


The company that did the testing was MTS they created the wonderful suspension machines you see advertised in commercials for different vehicles.


They test equipment to it's failure point and provide the results to the companies that request the results.


I do not have the actual numbers due to the fact I am not going to pay for the numbers, but I do know the rankings thanks to my father in law who works for the company and it went from lowest to highest GM, Dodge, Ford. If we can get $5k gathered for each vehicle (2500 is considered 1 vehicle and 3500 another) together on the site I can get all the numbers from the engines, trannys, axles, and frames, suspension for all the vehicles.


My gooseneck is capable of 30k and I have pulled up to 28k with it and the frame is not twisted. My boss's 04 D'max 2500 did twist the frame hauling the same load. The GM dealer in Greeley, CO spent 2 months getting it fixed.


Now when you are done calling names and willing to do some actual work with your truck come look me up. I use this truck on a daily basis. Had it for less then 2 months and it has 12k on it without a problem. Talk on GM boys talk on.....

Hmm 100,000 hours on a 1066. that means it would have had to run about 9 hours a day every day for the last 30years. if it was a 1974 model. I think you typed an extra 0 on that hour figure.

The number is a bit skewd the point was that it has many hours on it and still runs like a top. In truth it runs pretty much non-stop from Sept. 20th until Dec 23rd every year since about 81 or 82. It moves a lot of grain via wagon and through the augers. That's just harvest season for the beans and corn.

100,000 hrs/ 24hrs/day = 4,166.66 days


4,166 days/ 365days/year = 11.41 years


100,000hrs/ 9hrs/day = 11,111 days


11,111 days/ 365days/ year = 30.44 years.


If that tractor only ran 9 hours a day it would be very happy. If I include the time taken every day to feed the cattle that could be very interesting. Have to go home and look up the numbers from the rebuild to now, but I am betting it's going to be over 45k hours.


Thats 4 months straight of it running for 15 years and I know that it runs 4 months straight out of the year. We commercial combine and we trade those in yearly. We get them new in June and they run until December. We start in TX and work up through ND and recently been going into CA. We use JD combines though. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Dieselgeek brings up an excellent point. The 6.0 I have keeps the engine running in the power band rather nicely. The max torque is 2000rpm. (I know I said 2500 above) and the tranny shifts @ 2k to 22k perfectly and keeps the engine within that max torque range. At 70mph I am sitting right at 2k and then I have the hp range to move up for the hills.


Does the D'max have the rev limiter? The 6.0 is set at 4k. Haven't hit it yet and I hope I don't ever need it that high.

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Yup.

Math a bit much for you? Real life numbers tend to give Isuzu's problems.

I should tell you about My friend Doug's truck or should I say 2 Trucks. Ford already bought the first one back. He has 2700 miles on the second one but hasn't driven it in 6 weeks because its still at the dealer ship. My friend Doug bleeds Ford Blue. I'm not near as bran loyal as he is. I don't know why it bothers you so much that GM may have a better truck then ford right now. Everyone makes a mistake once in a while and ford just made one now with the 6.0. You know that the resale value on them is going right down the drain as well, I think you can get more resale out of a V10 dodge right now then you can a ford 6.0 .. They rushed it into production before it was ready and now they are paying the price its as simple as that. They will figure out there problem and get it working. Fords problem with doing that is the bean counters. They have the answer im sure but it might carry too high of a price tag to fix all the problems so they drag there feet and poor guys like my freind Doug pays the price. He is driving a 1986 1/2 ton loaner from the dealer ship right now. So don't be so high and mighity about fords at this point.

I have driven the 03 and 04 D'maxs. Other then the better ride I didn't care for them. Hence the purchase of the 2004 F350 6.0L.


The thing I did was contacted a Ford mechanic that's worked there for more years then I care to count and got the proper numbers and ordereed my truck. 12k and it's still going strong without a hint of a problem.


I am not saying the Ford is better then the D'max or vise versa, just keeping some friendly compotition going.


Notice that when the name calling started I stopped and did not respond to the comments made. It's all in fun. This is the internet not real life and going out everyday and using what you got to get the job finished is more where I tend to live. For what it's worth I do know someone that had his 2003 D'max bought back and he has a different one now.


Once again D'max has changed made to it in 2004 to improve it and Dodge and Ford will do the same. My F550 has the 6.0L in it and it runs just fine also, but it only has about 2k on it. Just used for short runs right now. This fall it will get the work out when harvest rolls around.

Anyone seen the towing capacites for the 04 1 tons?


GM 12,000


Dodge 13,000


Ford 14,200


I can't remember the torq and hp numbers exactly though. Dang old age. But I do know the 6.0L does have the highest outputs @ 325hp and 560 tq. Isuzu was 310hp and 520tq. The Hp might not be correct. The dodge 305hp and 555tq.





The rpm ratings for these numbers are pretty equal.








Have they increased the Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) ? From what I have seen, thay have not, it is still 20,000 LBS. So to tow 14,200 lbs the truck would have to weigh 5800 lbs.





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I will try to scan in the Ford Sheets I have that state the 14,200 numbers. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Funny how Ford starts getting worried about market share (now that Toyota is kicking their behind) and overnight their tow numbers go up. Ford just restated the numbers for the new F150 after Nissan announced numbers that were higher. Since there are no standards to figuring what a trucks capabilities are we will have to rely on the marketing types from each manufacturer. It seems to me that GM is a bit more conservative when it comes to this. I'm sure that will change when marketing looks at what the other guys are doing.

how is fords tranny? can it handle all that torque.. my 92 7.3 f-250 is on its forth transmission needs #5 E4OD is a nasty word.


Not true at all! Most people just don't realize, you can't take your E4OD to the guy at the corner of the block to get it rebuilt, and figure it's going to last! There most certainly are places that will make an E4OD bulletproof...just ask any of the guys who have bought a Ford transmission from http://www.brianstruckshop.com/ BTS, as these trannys just don't break! You can run well past the 400 - 500 HP levels with these transmissions, without having any kind of worry...which has been proven time and time again.


Of course there are other transmission shops able to build transmissions to these top levels as well, but you certainly can't expect the average tranny shop to know all the in's and out's of performance transmissions, so you just need to go to the right place. BTS does ship transmissions to whatever location you are in as well, so you really can't say the E4OD or 4R100 are bad transmissions, as they just need "a little help" in becoming "bulletproofed"! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I'm working on having a transmission of this calibre made right now, and my only issue now is, which torque convertor to use! I will try to order one from BTS or Precision, as BTS uses Precision torque convertors anyway, although Brian has his own wizardry done to the ones he installs.


Dale

Anybody know tow ratings on a '97 f350 duelly 7.3?


Thanx in advance

Bird - since when did JD ever use a 460?? The 4020 had a 404, no turbo. (Yes, M&W made a kit, but that's aftermarket) Deere did/does have a 466, but that didn't come around until the 40 series.


At any rate, two of my regular customers have 6.0 Ford trucks. Both told me how wonderful they were until they reached 40k. Now they're both getting ford to buy them back from them.

After years of experience here in Alaska with mixed diesel fleets which have included P-chokes and Cummins, I would have to say that the Duramax is the best cold starting pickup that I have dealt with. I think it must help that the Duramax has both glow plugs, and an intake heater to assist. The trouble with both the Duramax and the 6.0 is that they need to be worked in order to achieve and maintain operating temperature. Neither will warm up at idle speed, even high idle, they need a load to get warm. The Fords go through trannys faster than tires sometimes. I'm not suprised to see one down before 15k miles. And the frames have a tendency to break if they are worked too hard in extreme cold. As for towing, isn't the new ford auto only rated for 18k GCWR or so. The Allison is specified to handle 5 tons more than that. With a heavy duty reciever or a fiver the D/A would be my clear choice for heavy towing. I have seen some obscene weight pulled daily with that combo, and have yet to hear about drivetrain parts breaking because of it. --SS