does anyone on make a standalone monitor, to use in place of a set of gauges? i've seen the edge insight but i don't think it'll work on an LB7, can anyone confirm this.

I have heard that Edge is tesing a new Insight that will work on older Duramaxes and from what I have heard it is pretty cool.

Any monitor that reads only off of the obd will not accurately read boost psi because the maf sensor only reads up to 24psi.

This is incorrect. The MAF reads incoming air volume and not pressure. The MAP reads pressure (boost) in regards to atmospheric air differential.

Second. The MAP will read boost past 24.7lbs. The factory ECM won't compute above this do to a table limitation. Our trucks were never suppose to see boost this high. Need a fix from EFIlive or HPtuners for this.

True boost pressure is found by subtracting baro pressure from the the actual reading of the boost pressure sensor. (Taken from an 02 service manual.) My truck read 14 PSI on the boost sensor at idle with a Tech II, and that bothered me more than a little untill I found out about subtracting the baro.

Thanks for the info u00, I stand corrected. Without some sort of mod to the ecm, a monitor that reads off of the obd will not read above 24psi. I peg my cts anytime Im full throttle for more than 2-3 seconds. Anyone know if the ecm can be modded to compute higher values?

I asked Edge to look into this. The engineers said the dug forever thru the ECM and couldn't find it. I know the other tuners are more busy with more important stuff.

I peg my boost at half throttle. But i also have HP tuners running a good bit more power. I am asking questions and may trade my standard CTS to a race CTS if the price is decent. Just better resale and more options when on the road without a laptop.

When the lb7/lly race cts was in the beta stage, the cost was $150 to upgrade to the race from the standard version. Im not sure if the upgrade price has gone up now that the race version has been released.

does anyone on make a standalone monitor, to use in place of a set of gauges? i've seen the edge insight but i don't think it'll work on an LB7, can anyone confirm this.

so back to my original question can anyone tell me of any standalone monitors

For the lb7 your choices are pretty limited, Dashdaq and SCT makes a universal monitor. Your best bet will be to wait for the Edge Insight coming out sometime this summer.

was doing some searching, heard anything about the Quadzilla Scout?

The stand alone iQ from Banks should be out near the end of next month:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/banks_iq_003.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/Banks_iQ_Unit.jpg

but I bet you could probably buy a new laptop, laptop truck mount, and EFILive for the price of that BANKS IQ thing. :)

ben

(the aforementioned combo will do everything that banks IQ can do as far as I know)

but I bet you could probably buy a new laptop, laptop truck mount, and EFILive for the price of that BANKS IQ thing. :)

ben

(the aforementioned combo will do everything that banks IQ can do as far as I know)

I thought the I.Q. was around $500/600 for the monitoring one. What does EFi cost now adays? Did the price drop? Thanks..

I thought the I.Q. was around $500/600 for the monitoring one. What does EFi cost now adays? Did the price drop? Thanks..

I find it REALLY hard to believe that fancy whiz-bang gadget is only 500 dollars. Even if that thing didnt have the BANK$ name on it it would still be a lot more than $500/$600.

If you want something like the banks IQ, think about it this way. You can buy a nice netbook for like 300. EFILive V1 scan tool is 249. Laptop mount is what, 100, maybe 150 bucks at the most? So thats $700 and you have a setup that can do way more than the Banks thing will ever do.

(If you have an LBZ/LMM, you'll need to buy the EFILive V2 scan tool, which is 349 I think. So ~$800 if you have an LBZ or LMM.)

ben

but I bet you could probably buy a new laptop, laptop truck mount, and EFILive for the price of that BANKS IQ thing. :)

ben

(the aforementioned combo will do everything that banks IQ can do as far as I know)Would you care to put some money on this one??

I find it REALLY hard to believe that fancy whiz-bang gadget is only 500 dollars. Even if that thing didnt have the BANK$ name on it it would still be a lot more than $500/$600. This can be just your little secret then huh?

If you want something like the banks IQ, think about it this way. You can buy a nice netbook for like 300. EFILive V1 scan tool is 249. Laptop mount is what, 100, maybe 150 bucks at the most? So thats $700 (which is more then the iQ starts at) and you have a setup that can do way more than the Banks thing will ever do. Oh so the efi live will do water meth injection, propane injection, nitrous injection, navigation programs, exhaust braking with actual speed control, custom engine tuning and allow the user to combine this with the water meth/nitrous/propane, economy coaches (shows you where your wasting gas and how to change your driving style to make it better), on board density meters, wirless internet and will interchange with ANY car and truck from 1996 to today? Which one does more again?

(If you have an LBZ/LMM, you'll need to buy the EFILive V2 scan tool, which is 349 I think. So ~$800 if you have an LBZ or LMM.)

ben

So what you're saying is that you have no clue what you're talking about but are going to guess anyway. The iQ starts $539:D

How much would it cost if you added all of those features that you mentioned?

How much would it cost if you added all of those features that you mentioned?

Most software updates will be free (for added gauges ect) and the software for most of the systems will be free but there will be a charge for the hardware needed. For example the nitrous program would be free but there will be a charge for the nitrous controller, lines, bottle(s), solinoids and nitrous nozzles. The kits are slated for release later this summer so I'll have more pricing as the kits come out.

So what you're saying is that you have no clue what you're talking about but are going to guess anyway. The iQ starts $539:D

STARTS AT. <----- key phrase. :rolleyes:

what does "starts at" mean? Can it do bi-directional crap? Can you customize the dashboards, do full datalogging, make your own backgrounds, and all the other TONS of things "efilive + real laptop" can do?

So what you're saying is that you have no clue what you're talking about but are going to guess anyway. The iQ starts $539:D

whatever, as far as the navigational programs and stuff, remember, those numbers I stated include the price of a netbook, and mount, and everything.

If you make your own mount or something, you can be in business for the same price that the IQ "STARTS AT"

STARTS AT. <----- key phrase. :rolleyes:

what does "starts at" mean? Can it do bi-directional crap? Can you customize the dashboards, do full datalogging, make your own backgrounds, and all the other TONS of things "efilive + real laptop" can do?

Yes, starts at, as in you get a FULL gauge package, all engine diagnostics reading and clearing, and max EGT/boost. Yes you can change the background color, gauge layout, gauge position and it comes with the GPS reciver built in. It's also compatible with ALL cars/trucks/van/SUV's from 1996 and later. The extra cost will come in as you add other things to it. And you don't have to go out and buy a laptop just to monitor your engine:rolleyes:

i think this website needs an argument section to post in for when people get off subject.

whatever, as far as the navigational programs and stuff, remember, those numbers I stated include the price of a netbook, and mount, and everything.

If you make your own mount or something, you can be in business for the same price that the IQ "STARTS AT"

....because lots of people just want to run out and buy a laptop to watch what their engine is doing? :rolleyes:

i think this website needs an argument section to post in for when people get off subject.

EXACTLY! The op was for something to monitor the engine with, I doubt most will go out and get a laptop just for that.

Oh so the efi live will do water meth injection, propane injection, nitrous injection,

with the programmable DSP output on the ECM, yeah it will.... Propane injection? This is the year 2010, not 2002.


exhaust braking with actual speed control,

I can program an exhaust brake with efilive in about 2 minutes, or buy Brayden's turbo brake and do the same thing. As for "actual speed control", oh OK no, you cant do that. But the 2011 LML duramax will do that. From the factory! Without adding warranty-voiding Banks (or any other aftermarket) stuff!! (dont bother arguing that the banks speed brake wont void the warranty, you and I both know GM could void the warranty for putting a bug deflector on the hood if they wanted to) ;)


custom engine tuning

Custom engine tuning? What, does that mean you add a couple extra levels of timing and stuff and come up with a Banks "13-gun" or something? Or do you mean "replacement for EFILive"....because thats what I think of when someone says "CUSTOM ENGINE TUNING". :)

and allow the user to combine this with the water meth/nitrous/propane, economy coaches (shows you where your wasting gas and how to change your driving style to make it better)

thats cute.
I can teach people that same thing for free. "dont drive like a jerk" and "dont go 85mph on the highway". I wonder how many accidents are going to be caused by people glued to trying to follow the banks "fuel econ coach"?

on board density meters,

wth is an onboard density meter?

wirless internet

You didnt mention the 'have to be in range of a wireless hot spot' part. Thats great, next time I need wireless internet in my truck, ill drive through the front door of a starbucks and link my IQ with their 802.11 wi-fi. Hopefully my truck wont disturb the guy in the next table over who is trying to sip his mocca latte and work on his new novel at the same time.

Which one does more again?

Which one is used by almost all of the [real world, not unlimited budget banks world] cutting-edge performance duramax trucks across the country? And which one is used by the guys who dont know a turbo from a piston, but they did just buy a duramax, and went to the local news-stand and picked up a copy of Diesel Power looking for some 'high performance goodies'? :confused:

Just my opinion.

Ben

Yes, starts at, as in you get a FULL gauge package, all engine diagnostics reading and clearing, and max EGT/boost.

Does that $539 figure include an EGT thermocouple and boost sensor? Reading boost off the MAP sensor isnt accurate once you put a tune on it...

How little you know about it. Let us count the ways:
with the programmable DSP output on the ECM, yeah it will.... Propane injection? This is the year 2010, not 2002.

This would give you "ON/OFF" control ONLY. you will not have anywhere injection control rate on the Banks nitrous/ water meth controller. For example:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/iQ_Water_Meth.jpg




I can program an exhaust brake with efilive in about 2 minutes No actually all you can do is close to a set vane position, you can't set a down hill speed, you can't change the strength ammount on the fly you can't activly up or downshift automaticly for proper braking amount, you can't even vary the vane position during braking, or buy Brayden's turbo brake and do the same thing and it's just as ineffictive as your "braking" program and has even less control. You see that brake has no user braking control at all other then just on/off As for "actual speed control", oh OK no, you cant do that. But the 2011 LML duramax will do that. From the factory! LOL WRONG AGAIN!! The LML braking ability is the same thing as the system on the Dodge 6.7L and it's no different. How do I know? Because Gale owns the pattent on varying the braking by cycling the vane position and gear position (U.S. PATENT NUMBERS: 6,652,414 B1 & 6,152,853) ( Without adding warranty-voiding Banks (or any other aftermarket) stuff!! (dont bother arguing that the banks speed brake wont void the warranty, you and I both know GM could void the warranty for putting a bug deflector on the hood if they wanted to) ;)

Wrong again (your not very good at this are you?)




Custom engine tuning? What, does that mean you add a couple extra levels of timing and stuff and come up with a Banks "13-gun" or something? Or do you mean "replacement for EFILive"....because thats what I think of when someone says "CUSTOM ENGINE TUNING". :)

That's because you have no clue what your talking about. I'm talking about live engine tuning that a customer can do through the iQ (no need for a laptop) to an infinate amount. No laptop, no paying sombody else. All set up so anybody can do it. We're even going to offer some base line race tunes the customer can tweak from there.



thats cute.
I can teach people that same thing for free. "dont drive like a jerk" and "dont go 85mph on the highway". I wonder how many accidents are going to be caused by people glued to trying to follow the banks "fuel econ coach" (how about how many get into accidents because they were too busy looking at a laptop while driving too then?:rolleyes:?

So you can tell a customer when they are braking excessivly, giving too much gas when speeding up for the engine load/engine temp/ outside air temp as well as spot fuel economy, distance fuel economy, and trip fuel economy? Because the iQ can.


wth is an onboard density meter?
As in the ability to accuratly measure incoming air density. It's going to be part of the datalogging feature the iQ will also have. Guess it's just one more thing EFI live can't do huh?


You didnt mention the 'have to be in range of a wireless hot spot' part. Thats great, next time I need wireless internet in my truck, ill drive through the front door of a starbucks and link my IQ with their 802.11 wi-fi. Hopefully my truck wont disturb the guy in the next table over who is trying to sip his mocca latte and work on his new novel at the same time.

So your under the impression that hot spots are somehow rare in cities? Ever hear of 3G coverage? I guess not:rolleyes:


Which one is used by almost all of the [real world, not unlimited budget banks world] cutting-edge performance duramax trucks across the country?
How about this, what is being used on the two QUICKEST Duramaxes in the country? I'll give you a hint:
Banks Rail: 7.17et
Banks S-10: 7.72et
And would you care to guess where the race files/nitrous control/water meth systems are coming from? Come on....you can get this one:D

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/rail_bluebottle_watermeth.jpg

And which one is used by the guys who dont know a turbo from a piston, but they did just buy a duramax, and went to the local news-stand and picked up a copy of Diesel Power looking for some 'high performance goodies'? :confused:
And who's going to allow them to upgrade almost endlessly as their needs change WITHOUT having to change everything over to somebody else?
Just my opinion.
Glad I could help:D
Ben

I can program an exhaust brake with efilive in about 2 minutes No actually all you can do is close to a set vane position, you can't set a down hill speed, you can't change the strength ammount on the fly you can't activly up or downshift automaticly for proper braking amount, you can't even vary the vane position during braking,

I never said efilive could give you all that stuff. That is really cool that the Banks can do that. But for friggin 1,200 dollars it better do that, and make me an egg sandwich too. (OK sorry, 850 or so if you dont get it with the "IQ")



or buy Brayden's turbo brake and do the same thing and it's just as ineffictive as your "braking" program and has even less control. You see that brake has no user braking control at all other then just on/off

Ineffective? It closes the damn vanes, same as your overpriced widget does. For 'maximum effort braking', your BANKS SPEED BRAKE will NOT slow the truck down ANY faster than setting the vanes to go full closed, and then manually downshifting. You are full of crap if you try to tell me otherwise.



As for "actual speed control", oh OK no, you cant do that. But the 2011 LML duramax will do that. From the factory! LOL WRONG AGAIN!! The LML braking ability is the same thing as the system on the Dodge 6.7L and it's no different. How do I know? Because Gale owns the pattent on varying the braking by cycling the vane position and gear position (U.S. PATENT NUMBERS: 6,652,414 B1 & 6,152,853)

Look up cruise grade braking. The LML exhaust brake integrates with the trans and if you set it to maintain 65mph, it will downshift the trans AND/OR work the exhaust brake to maintain 65mph. That is how it works, I dont give a crap what patents banks has.



( Without adding warranty-voiding Banks (or any other aftermarket) stuff!! (dont bother arguing that the banks speed brake wont void the warranty, you and I both know GM could void the warranty for putting a bug deflector on the hood if they wanted to) ;)

Wrong again (your not very good at this are you?)

OH, REALLY. Wasnt it a BANKS exhaust brake that caused that shitstorm a couple years ago, and the dude went to court etc... I dont know or care the outcome of the case, but even if he won and didnt have to pay for a new motor, that doesnt mean you can throw out the blanket statement "BANKS WONT VOID WARRANTIES". Thats flat out ridiculous.


Custom engine tuning? What, does that mean you add a couple extra levels of timing and stuff and come up with a Banks "13-gun" or something? Or do you mean "replacement for EFILive"....because thats what I think of when someone says "CUSTOM ENGINE TUNING". :)

That's because you have no clue what your talking about. I'm talking about live engine tuning that a customer can do through the iQ (no need for a laptop) to an infinate amount. No laptop, no paying sombody else. All set up so anybody can do it. We're even going to offer some base line race tunes the customer can tweak from there.

I actually build these engines and transmissions, and develop my own electronic controllers and widgets for these trucks. (unlike you) But ok, I guess I dont know what im talking about. INFINITE amount of tuning? So its going to be just like EFILive? Im calling BS. You're even going to offer some base line race tunes? HA. More bullshit. You guys have been saying "we're going to offer some actual high performance tuning to the general public" for YEARS. Ever since the 6-gun came out people have asked about "something actually legit for the guys with built tranny's and engines" and the answer always was "yes! very soon!!!"


giving too much gas when speeding up for the engine load/engine temp/ outside air temp as well as spot fuel economy, distance fuel economy, and trip fuel economy? Because the iQ can.

Yeah, so can my "DIC". :)



wth is an onboard density meter?
As in the ability to accuratly measure incoming air density. It's going to be part of the datalogging feature the iQ will also have. Guess it's just one more thing EFI live can't do huh?


Isnt that what the MAF sensor does?



You didnt mention the 'have to be in range of a wireless hot spot' part. Thats great, next time I need wireless internet in my truck, ill drive through the front door of a starbucks and link my IQ with their 802.11 wi-fi. Hopefully my truck wont disturb the guy in the next table over who is trying to sip his mocca latte and work on his new novel at the same time.

So your under the impression that hot spots are somehow rare in cities? Ever hear of 3G coverage? I guess not:rolleyes:


"3G" refers to cell phone network EVDO/IMT-2000, not wi-fi you tard. Does the BANKS IQ have CDMA, GSM/SIM card capabilities?


Which one is used by almost all of the [real world, not unlimited budget banks world] cutting-edge performance duramax trucks across the country?
How about this, what is being used on the two QUICKEST Duramaxes in the country? I'll give you a hint:
Banks Rail: 7.17et
Banks S-10: 7.72et
And would you care to guess where the race files/nitrous control/water meth systems are coming from? Come on....you can get this one:D



Yeah I knew you were going to bring that up, thats why I specifically said (REAL WORLD, NOT UNLIMITED BUDGET BANKS WORLD) :rolleyes:

And which one is used by the guys who dont know a turbo from a piston, but they did just buy a duramax, and went to the local news-stand and picked up a copy of Diesel Power looking for some 'high performance goodies'? :confused:
And who's going to allow them to upgrade almost endlessly as their needs change WITHOUT having to change everything over to somebody else?

K well can you guys help me out with some custom tuning? I just built my own decent-sized twins (without help from banks, I might add) and need something that will make it go fast. If the next customer comes into my shop and has me build him a trans, and a nice set of twins, and he already had a 6-gun.......he could then make up a whole new custom tune, or have banks make him something that would work well with it?

ben

I just missed the part about live engine tuning. So does that mean it can do MOATES-type stuff on the fly? If Im driving down the highway trying to nail down a funky rattle at ~30% throttle and ~2200rpm, I can go into my BANKS IQ and play with the rail pressure a little bit in those areas of the tune, in real time, on the fly? Because thats what "live engine tuning" is.

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Here we go again....
I can program an exhaust brake with efilive in about 2 minutes No actually all you can do is close to a set vane position, you can't set a down hill speed, you can't change the strength ammount on the fly you can't activly up or downshift automaticly for proper braking amount, you can't even vary the vane position during braking,

I never said efilive could give you all that stuff. That is really cool that the Banks can do that. But for friggin 1,200 dollars it better do that, and make me an egg sandwich too. (OK sorry, 850 or so if you dont get it with the "IQ")

Well it looks like your wrong...yet again (I guess i should stop being surprised by now)....the brake runs $670 when added to an existing iQ. As in if you're using the iQ as a stand alone you can just plug in the speed brake in. But at least your right about one thing, the EFI "brake" program can't do anywhere near what the Banks Speed brake can:D



or buy Brayden's turbo brake and do the same thing and it's just as ineffictive as your "braking" program and has even less control. You see that brake has no user braking control at all other then just on/off

Ineffective? It closes the damn vanes, same as your overpriced widget does. For 'maximum effort braking', your BANKS SPEED BRAKE will NOT slow the truck down ANY faster than setting the vanes to go full closed, and then manually downshifting. You are full of crap if you try to tell me otherwise.

And your wrong AGAIN. Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?? The Banks speed brake will lock the torque converter and then vary the brake position, once it hits maximum it will then down shift on it's own all the way into first gear if needed (and very aggressivly depending how the customer wants it to be). I've had quite a few people tell me it's far better then anything else out there (this would be people who have actually used them rather then people who just speculate like yourself) that they have used, and yes this would be those who have used "braking programs". So, again, you don't know what you're talking about



As for "actual speed control", oh OK no, you cant do that. But the 2011 LML duramax will do that. From the factory! LOL WRONG AGAIN!! The LML braking ability is the same thing as the system on the Dodge 6.7L and it's no different. How do I know? Because Gale owns the pattent on varying the braking by cycling the vane position and gear position (U.S. PATENT NUMBERS: 6,652,414 B1 & 6,152,853)

Look up cruise grade braking. The LML exhaust brake integrates with the trans and if you set it to maintain 65mph, it will downshift the trans AND/OR work the exhaust brake to maintain 65mph. That is how it works, I dont give a crap what patents banks has.

That braking action is no different then the grade braking they already have. It's also not as effective as the banks speed brake.....and it's also silly to even suggest that buying a new truck for $45k+ just to get a brake is a good idea:rolleyes:.



( Without adding warranty-voiding Banks (or any other aftermarket) stuff!! (dont bother arguing that the banks speed brake wont void the warranty, you and I both know GM could void the warranty for putting a bug deflector on the hood if they wanted to) ;)

Wrong again (your not very good at this are you?)

OH, REALLY. Wasnt it a BANKS exhaust brake that caused that shitstorm a couple years ago (I have no idea, please post a link), and the dude went to court etc... I dont know or care the outcome of the case, but even if he won and didnt have to pay for a new motor, that doesnt mean you can throw out the blanket statement "BANKS WONT VOID WARRANTIES". Thats flat out ridiculous.

I don't believe I stated in here anyplace that "Banks Doesn't void warranties". If I'm wrong please prove me wrong (you haven't done a very good job of that so far:D)


Custom engine tuning? What, does that mean you add a couple extra levels of timing and stuff and come up with a Banks "13-gun" or something? Or do you mean "replacement for EFILive"....because thats what I think of when someone says "CUSTOM ENGINE TUNING". :)

That's because you have no clue what your talking about. I'm talking about live engine tuning that a customer can do through the iQ (no need for a laptop) to an infinate amount. No laptop, no paying sombody else. All set up so anybody can do it. We're even going to offer some base line race tunes the customer can tweak from there.

I actually build these engines and transmissions, and develop my own electronic controllers and widgets for these trucks. (unlike you) But ok, I guess I dont know what im talking about. INFINITE amount of tuning? So its going to be just like EFILive? No, it's going to allow engine tuning but actually be something anybody can use Im calling BS. You're even going to offer some base line race tunes? HA. More bullshit. Again, this will just have to be your little secret You guys have been saying "we're going to offer some actual high performance tuning to the general public" for YEARS. Ever since the 6-gun came out people have asked about "something actually legit for the guys with built tranny's and engines" and the answer always was "yes! very soon!!!"

Easy with the 4 letter words Mr. Wizard, it's not helping your argument (not that you ever had one to start with seeing as you seem to know nothing about our stuff at all)


giving too much gas when speeding up for the engine load/engine temp/ outside air temp as well as spot fuel economy, distance fuel economy, and trip fuel economy? Because the iQ can.

Yeah, so can my "DIC". :)
Then please show the rest of us where your DIC shows any of the above, warns the driver about it, and shows how to improve their driving. Please enlighten the rest of us:rolleyes:



wth is an onboard density meter?
As in the ability to accuratly measure incoming air density. It's going to be part of the datalogging feature the iQ will also have. Guess it's just one more thing EFI live can't do huh?


Isnt that what the MAF sensor does?

Well now that we've established you don't know the difference between MASS AIR FLOW and air density. You can see the difference here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_density



You didnt mention the 'have to be in range of a wireless hot spot' part. Thats great, next time I need wireless internet in my truck, ill drive through the front door of a starbucks and link my IQ with their 802.11 wi-fi. Hopefully my truck wont disturb the guy in the next table over who is trying to sip his mocca latte and work on his new novel at the same time.

So your under the impression that hot spots are somehow rare in cities? Ever hear of 3G coverage? I guess not:rolleyes:


"3G" refers to cell phone network EVDO/IMT-2000, not wi-fi you tard. Does the BANKS IQ have CDMA, GSM/SIM card capabilities?

Easy again with the personal insults there Mr. Wizard, it's not my fault you have no clue what your talking about. The upgrade potential of the iQ is just about limitless, we're even looking at standalone engine control system using it as well. But, again, what you don't know about it also seems limitless. At this point I should be impressed you even got the NAME right.


Which one is used by almost all of the [real world, not unlimited budget banks world] cutting-edge performance duramax trucks across the country?
How about this, what is being used on the two QUICKEST Duramaxes in the country? I'll give you a hint:
Banks Rail: 7.17et
Banks S-10: 7.72et
And would you care to guess where the race files/nitrous control/water meth systems are coming from? Come on....you can get this one:D



Yeah I knew you were going to bring that up, thats why I specifically said (REAL WORLD, NOT UNLIMITED BUDGET BANKS WORLD) But buying a new truck to get a brake is ok though?:rolleyes:

Well if the cost of the Banks iQ and tuning is out of your budget (which again you don't know what it will cost) then maybe you should choose a different hobby?

And which one is used by the guys who dont know a turbo from a piston, but they did just buy a duramax, and went to the local news-stand and picked up a copy of Diesel Power looking for some 'high performance goodies'? :confused:
And who's going to allow them to upgrade almost endlessly as their needs change WITHOUT having to change everything over to somebody else?

K well can you guys help me out with some custom tuning? I just built my own decent-sized twins (without help from banks, I might add) and need something that will make it go fast. If the next customer comes into my shop and has me build him a trans, and a nice set of twins, and he already had a 6-gun.......he could then make up a whole new custom tune, or have banks make him something that would work well with it?

ben

We're setting it up so that any layman, anywhere can tune the engine anyway they like with none of the "black magic" that's been tied into engine tuning for so long, to work with any engine mods.

you could try and look into a Quadzilla Scout monitor.

Here we go again....
yall got way to much time on ur hands. but to get some subject and answer the mans question, i just looked at at quadzilla and you can get a scout monitor for the LB7. i have one and i like it alot. its cheap and does exactly what YOU want it for. to read different parameters.

yall got way to much time on ur hands. but to get some subject and answer the mans question, i just looked at at quadzilla and you can get a scout monitor for the LB7. i have one and i like it alot. its cheap and does exactly what YOU want it for. to read different parameters.


thank you, this has been the most informative post yet. where did you purchase yours at?

I never said efilive could give you all that stuff. That is really cool that the Banks can do that. But for friggin 1,200 dollars it better do that, and make me an egg sandwich too. (OK sorry, 850 or so if you dont get it with the "IQ")

Well it looks like your wrong...yet again (I guess i should stop being surprised by now)....the brake runs $670 when added to an existing iQ. As in if you're using the iQ as a stand alone you can just plug in the speed brake in. But at least your right about one thing, the EFI "brake" program can't do anywhere near what the Banks Speed brake can:D



I was going off of prices on Xtreme Diesel Performance's website. http://www.xtremediesel.com/bankspowerspeedbrakeall-electronicbrakingsystem.aspx

872 without the IQ, 1298 with the IQ.



Ineffective? It closes the damn vanes, same as your overpriced widget does. For 'maximum effort braking', your BANKS SPEED BRAKE will NOT slow the truck down ANY faster than setting the vanes to go full closed, and then manually downshifting. You are full of crap if you try to tell me otherwise.

And your wrong AGAIN. Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?? The Banks speed brake will lock the torque converter and then vary the brake position, once it hits maximum it will then down shift on it's own all the way into first gear if needed (and very aggressivly depending how the customer wants it to be). I've had quite a few people tell me it's far better then anything else out there (this would be people who have actually used them rather then people who just speculate like yourself) that they have used, and yes this would be those who have used "braking programs". So, again, you don't know what you're talking about



Lock the converter all the time? REALLY? Thats exactly what the trans does when you put it in tow/haul. Regardless of upshifts/downshifts, the converter STAYS LOCKED ALL THE TIME IN TOW/HAUL MODE FROM 25mph UP. You probably wouldnt know that though because you dont do any of the actual R&D/technical work.

Im sure it works better than anything out there. The LML isnt out yet. When the LML comes out you will realize how it can/will do the same thing the SpeedBrake does. (set the cruise control at X speed and it will downshift and/or use the exhaust brake to slow the truck)


That braking action is no different then the grade braking they already have. It's also not as effective as the banks speed brake.....and it's also silly to even suggest that buying a new truck for $45k+ just to get a brake is a good idea:rolleyes:.


You arent listening to me. The LML setup uses the exhaust brake and grade braking together to maintain a set speed.

You dont know anything about the LML. You've never even seen one, let alone driven one. Do you even have a duramax? How can you judge it and say what it CAN and CANT do. Admit it. Maybe theres something "diesel" out there thats as good as BANKS. OMG.


OH, REALLY. Wasnt it a BANKS exhaust brake that caused that shitstorm a couple years ago (I have no idea, please post a link), and the dude went to court etc... I dont know or care the outcome of the case, but even if he won and didnt have to pay for a new motor, that doesnt mean you can throw out the blanket statement "BANKS WONT VOID WARRANTIES". Thats flat out ridiculous.

I don't believe I stated in here anyplace that "Banks Doesn't void warranties". If I'm wrong please prove me wrong (you haven't done a very good job of that so far:D)


Ask mr. banks about it. It was back in 2004 IIRC.



I actually build these engines and transmissions, and develop my own electronic controllers and widgets for these trucks. (unlike you) But ok, I guess I dont know what im talking about. INFINITE amount of tuning? So its going to be just like EFILive? No, it's going to allow engine tuning but actually be something anybody can use

well can you enlighten me WTF this means? "its going to allow engine tuning". Well what kind of engine tuning? The 6 gun offers "engine tuning" doesnt it? Or is that something thats "coming soon and cant talk about it. When, we all know, "coming soon" means coming in like 3 years.



Im calling BS. You're even going to offer some base line race tunes? HA. More bullshit. Again, this will just have to be your little secret

I dont understand what you mean by this being my little secret? I thought it was your guys' little secret? WTF? You arent making sense, whether its sarcasm, a joke, or what. I dont understand?



Yeah, so can my "DIC". :)
Then please show the rest of us where your DIC shows any of the above, warns the driver about it, and shows how to improve their driving. Please enlighten the rest of us:rolleyes:

OMG really? You know what I mean. For the 99% of drivers who arent complete morons, the DIC works fine. Its called common sense. You see the "AVG MPG" start going down, well GEEWHIZ what do you do. You stop driving so aggressively. If it goes up, you know "OK what ive been doing as far as driving qualities is good!" Does the BANKS IQ tell you how to wipe your butt too?



wth is an onboard density meter?
As in the ability to accuratly measure incoming air density.

YEAH NO CRAP. :rolleyes:


Isnt that what the MAF sensor does?

Well now that we've established you don't know the difference between MASS AIR FLOW and air density. You can see the difference here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_density


You need a physics lesson, and some engineering background on the different types of MAF sensors and what/how they measure. Density can be mathematically calculated with data from the MAF sensor, baro sensor, and IAT sensor. So if you really want to ascertain air density readings from EFILive, make a calculated PID. But why the hell would you want to know air density readings anyway? I thought this was for the layman who wanted things simple? Do you think the layman even knows or cares what air density is going into his engine?????????????



"3G" refers to cell phone network EVDO/IMT-2000, not wi-fi you tard. Does the BANKS IQ have CDMA, GSM/SIM card capabilities?

Easy again with the personal insults there Mr. Wizard, it's not my fault you have no clue what your talking about. The upgrade potential of the iQ is just about limitless, we're even looking at standalone engine control system using it as well. But, again, what you don't know about it also seems limitless. At this point I should be impressed you even got the NAME right.


Um what?? You were wrong. You thought "3G" meant 'wi-fi'. :) And now you are trying to back pedal because you realized your obvious mistake. "its not my fault you have no clue what you are talking about". WTF?? That doesnt even make sense. I do have a clue what im talking about. Because I just corrected you on the differences between "3G" (IMT-2000, EVDO) and laptop computer "wi-fi" (802.11b/g/n) like you get at a hotspot in Burger King.

And dont try to save yourself by saying "well....uh...I um...yeah I did mean 3G, because the IQ can be made to work on 3G if we wanted to!" (ie, the cell phone network). Thats bullshit. No it cant. And it NEVER WILL. I bet if I cracked one open I wouldnt see any CDMA/qualcomm chips, GSM chips, SIM card provisions, or anything else of that sort. Thats ludicrous to say that the IQ can get "3G internet". What service provider are you going to use? Verizon? AT&T? Or is BANKS gonna setup their own crap over the CDMA/GSM cell network? Yeah, I bet thats what theyre gonna do. :)

) But buying a new truck to get a brake is ok though?:rolleyes:

Well if the cost of the Banks iQ and tuning is out of your budget (which again you don't know what it will cost) then maybe you should choose a different hobby?

NO. I DONT KNOW WHAT ITS GOING TO COST. BUT I can make a pretty good/educated guess that its going to be overpriced like everything else. Like the original 6-gun. 700 bucks for 124hp and switchable tuning? (LLY) If your new "EFILIVE KILLING" tuning setup is going to be less expensive then EFILive (and does everything efilive can do), then ill shut up and you can call me a fool. But until then I stand by my "OPINION".



We're setting it up so that any layman, anywhere can tune the engine anyway they like with none of the "black magic" that's been tied into engine tuning for so long, to work with any engine mods.

Oh come on. Tuning that will work with any engine mods? THAT is so untrue. So the tuning will work on a stock truck, and it will also work on a truck with ported heads, big twins, etc? Black magic? Yeah, like EFILive is really rocket science.

You guys will always have your specific market. And you guys make good stuff for that market. But stop trying to sell your stuff like its great for EVERY duramax guy out there. Find me one competitive sled puller, serious drag racer, or otherwise that uses all BANKS stuff.

I know your drag race car$$$$$ use all banks parts, and they are impressively fast. Im talking about people outside of banks. And I realize a FEW guys use banks intercoolers and minor parts like that. And YES, I know of Mick in austrailia who used (probably the only set sold) of your race manifolds. But no one uses banks tuning, electronics, monitoring/datalogging stuff, etc....

Now I suppose you're going to tell me "yes there are big sled pullers/racers using banks electronics....but I cant tell you who", and Ill say "well I guess I cant prove you wrong" and you'll say "well its true, you'll just have to trust me", and then I wont be able to have any argument because, you're right, no I cant prove you wrong or right. So say what you want to....

You guys are gonna run out of colors soon.

From the outside looking in:

JBarker, you are not doing any justice for the company that you represent. Sometimes retreat is a winning strategy.

does anyone on make a standalone monitor, to use in place of a set of gauges? i've seen the edge insight but i don't think it'll work on an LB7, can anyone confirm this.

Correct, Edge Insight only works on CAN-Bus equipped vehicles.

So far, your options are:

Quad Scout
Wait for Edge Insight support for non-CAN vehicles.
Wait for Standalone Banks iQ.
Buy a used Edge J/A to use as "Gauges only"Your sig says "EFI Live coming soon". If you are purchasing the full EFI Live package (V2, cables, 2 licenses) then you might look into a laptop mount to use the ScanTool. That is what I choose to do, see my garage for the setup. Although, now that my tunes are dialed in to my liking, I rarely use the laptop anymore. I am planning on going to a set of standard gauges. If you are purchasing only the "Custom Tuning" from DuramaxTuner then you would have to go with one of the above choices.

TSPerformance MPD monitor.

Did a bit of cleaning. Lets try to keep it on topic now.

thank you! that got really out of hand.

Correct, Edge Insight only works on CAN-Bus equipped vehicles.


So far, your options are:
Quad Scout
Wait for Edge Insight support for non-CAN vehicles.
Wait for Standalone Banks iQ.
Buy a used Edge J/A to use as "Gauges only"Your sig says "EFI Live coming soon". If you are purchasing the full EFI Live package (V2, cables, 2 licenses) then you might look into a laptop mount to use the ScanTool. That is what I choose to do, see my garage for the setup. Although, now that my tunes are dialed in to my liking, I rarely use the laptop anymore. I am planning on going to a set of standard gauges. If you are purchasing only the "Custom Tuning" from DuramaxTuner then you would have to go with one of the above choices.


i only live an hour from nick@duramaxtuner (nick@duramaxtuner) so i'm having my ecm tuned and a dsp5 installed. i'm going with standard gauges for now, but would like to have an all-in-one monitor for piece of mind. i'm not totally sold on the looks of the scout. i did at one time have an edge juice w/ attitude, but i think the display is out dated. would really like to have an edge cts as standalone. so it sounds like i may have to wait.

i only live an hour from nick@duramaxtuner[/EMAIL"]nick@duramaxtuner"]nick@duramaxtuner[/EMAIL] so i'm having my ecm tuned and a dsp5 installed. i'm going with standard gauges for now, but would like to have an all-in-one monitor for piece of mind. i'm not totally sold on the looks of the scout. i did at one time have an edge juice w/ attitude, but i think the display is out dated. would really like to have an edge cts as standalone. so it sounds like i may have to wait.
Then buy the Insight CTS not the EDGE CTS.. it is not a programmer & is cheaper..

Then buy the Insight CTS not the EDGE CTS.. it is not a programmer & is cheaper..

its not out yet though right?

I do not think that it is out yet but I think that they are doing beta testing right now.

thank you, this has been the most informative post yet. where did you purchase yours at?


i got it thru a member of this site. Alligator Performance. they are great to work with. when i got mine in the mail, for some strange reason, it had the manual for a dodge installation. so i called chad at alliagtor performance and he sent me the right manual in about 1 hour.

Did a bit of cleaning. Lets try to keep it on topic now.
Can I ask why? Although it was a little off topic, a vendor who choses to belittle, ridicule and put down forum users during a valid discussion should be left for all to see for the greater good of the community and future customers. It's discussions like these that show the true integrity of an organisation. Sanitizing content may keep the sponsors happy, but in doing so your doing a great disservice to the 50,000 or so members.

As a vendor you enter discussions on a board like this knowing you are representing your company. You need to act accordingly and take responsibility for your written words; sometimes that may mean biting your tongue or retreating.

Just my opinion.

Cheers
Cindy

Not trying to sanitize it for the vendor Cindy, this was just seen as clutter that probably wouldn't end for a page or 2. I get tired of seeing back and forth jabbing and a legitimate post every 4 or 5. The OP's question was being forgotten.

Can I ask why? Although it was a little off topic, a vendor who choses to belittle, ridicule and put down forum users during a valid discussion should be left for all to see for the greater good of the community and future customers. It's discussions like these that show the true integrity of an organisation. Sanitizing content may keep the sponsors happy, but in doing so your doing a great disservice to the 50,000 or so members.

As a vendor you enter discussions on a board like this knowing you are representing your company. You need to act accordingly and take responsibility for your written words; sometimes that may mean biting your tongue or retreating.

Just my opinion.

Cheers
Cindy

Why? Because my question wasn't getting answered. I guess I couldn't bite my tongue. But guess everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

Cindy,

I agree completely.
If a vendor wants to shoot himself in the foot, I'm all for it. I love a good train-wreck. My intent was never to sanitize to keep him happy. The argument wasn't helping to answer tightgtp's question.

Cindy,

I agree completely.
If a vendor wants to shoot himself in the foot, I'm all for it. I love a good train-wreck. My intent was never to sanitize to keep him happy. The argument wasn't helping to answer tightgtp's question.
In my humble opinion, once a vendor has offered their product for consideration as a solution, then the customer service they offer following that becomes relevant. I'll explain further below....

Why? Because my question wasn't getting answered. I guess I couldn't bite my tongue. But guess everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

I do understand where you are coming from in terms of "product" relevance. My point relates to the relevance of "customer service and respect". Here you are as a person looking to invest money in a solution relevant for your situation, and a vendor has suggested their product for your consideration.

Fast forward a few posts and then they openly insult, put down and belittle another person - if that's how they do business on an open forum, you can only wonder how you'd be treated if you purchased from them. In this instance you've had the benefit of reading what was said and can make an informed decision about how you may be treated and where you chose to invest your hard earned cash. Unfortuantely those who use the search function will never see that and can never draw their own conclusions.

I will say I don't personally know JBarker; I've never met him, I've never had a run in with him, and our products while they are in the same market, appeal to vastly different customers. We all have good days and bad days; maybe this was a bad day; maybe JBarker and DuratotheMax just have issues with each other - I don't know. I was just curious why the posts were removed.

Cheers
Cindy

Can I ask why? Although it was a little off topic, a vendor who choses to belittle, ridicule and put down forum users during a valid discussion should be left for all to see for the greater good of the community and future customers. It's discussions like these that show the true integrity of an organisation. Sanitizing content may keep the sponsors happy, but in doing so your doing a great disservice to the 50,000 or so members.

As a vendor you enter discussions on a board like this knowing you are representing your company. You need to act accordingly and take responsibility for your written words; sometimes that may mean biting your tongue or retreating.

Just my opinion.

Cheers
Cindy

My total involvment in this thread (prior to our product getting openly attacked) was a whopping 1 sentance and two pictures. It should also be pointed out that duratothemax is NOT a random forum member, he's the owner of a diesel shop and an EFI live vendor. If you need a reminder you can click here: http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894&highlight=mount Where he talks about a product he's making for YOUR display in your own vendor section (he's also listed as a vendor himself). I doubt his involvment in this thread was random.

I really think that these forums are a good place for people to share information. If two individuals want to have a heated debate they can PM each other and battle it out in private. If they want to educate others by saying what they have to say without personal attacks I think that is great for all of us. Please do that so that we can all benefit from reading these forums.

My total involvment in this thread (prior to our product getting openly attacked) was a whopping 1 sentance and two pictures. It should also be pointed out that duratothemax is NOT a random forum member, he's the owner of a diesel shop and an EFI live vendor. If you need a reminder you can click here: http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894&highlight=mount Where he talks about a product he's making for YOUR display in your own vendor section (he's also listed as a vendor himself). I doubt his involvment in this thread was random.

Vendor's have certain responsibilities over other users - to the forum and to their employer; conduct is one of those responsibilities. Treat others how we'd like to be treated ourselves; provide factual and relevant information, and most importantly remember that I am the face of the company I represent.

My beef is about forum moderation, and how that applies to a vendor when they create an image of less than desirable customer service. You got caught up in this not because of your responses as a vendor, but because your responses were deleted.

Duratothemax is not an EFILive vendor. He doesn't sell our product. He is an EFILive customer. He did design and is manufacturing a product that can be used in conjunction with our product. If it helps, think of it like an iPhone - iPhone App vendors sell their applications and probably own an iPhone, but in most cases don't actually sell the iPhone.

I can't answer for Ben if his involvement in this thread was random, but if you are suggesting I or another member of the EFILive team put him up to it then I can categorically say it's not true - I've just taken the moral high ground and obviously ruffled a few feathers along the way.

Cheers
Cindy

My total involvment in this thread (prior to our product getting openly attacked) was a whopping 1 sentance and two pictures. It should also be pointed out that duratothemax is NOT a random forum member, he's the owner of a diesel shop and an EFI live vendor. If you need a reminder you can click here: http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894&highlight=mount Where he talks about a product he's making for YOUR display in your own vendor section (he's also listed as a vendor himself). I doubt his involvment in this thread was random.

I am not an efilive vendor and never have been you moron.

Whos the "uninformed" one now? Kind of funny when you were calling me so stupid/uninformed/idiot/ignorant, and you go and make a bonehead statement like that. :rolleyes:

I responded because you were leading the customer on that your IQ was going to be THE next thing that would put all other tuners out of business, force efilive out of the duramax world, and how you guys are going to start offering race-oriented stuff, banks is gonna take over the world, everything you guys make is AWESOME, how your IQ is gonna have "3G" (I hope you finally realized what a dumb mistake/statement that was on your part) and also be able to make you a grilled cheese at the same time. All I was saying is that your IQ isnt the end-all be-all. You guys at banks all think your poop doesnt smell. There are plenty of other less expensive, more capable options out there but you just got all mad when I pointed that out and offered another alternative to the banks IQ.

Maybe now that you realize im not an efilive vendor and have ZERO profit potential/commercial dog in this fight you wont jump all over me for defending it and trying to steer the OP in a direction different than BANKS. (sorry I know, thats hard to comprehend, why someone would chose another diesel product over banks)

ben

does anyone on make a standalone monitor, to use in place of a set of gauges? i've seen the edge insight but i don't think it'll work on an LB7, can anyone confirm this.

:iamlost:

My beef is about forum moderation, and how that applies to a vendor when they create an image of less than desirable customer service. You got caught up in this not because of your responses as a vendor, but because your responses were deleted.

Cheers
Cindy
So should I reinstate the post? And that's an honest question. One the one hand it reveals this image; on the other no one realizes this is a tech thread. :confused:
Honestly If I made the wrong call they can be put back.

efi, banks and duro are way off topic. There is a reason there is a vendor section. As far as I can tell the answer to the original question is the Quadzilla Scout, SCT Dashscan, Dashdaq, and the upcoming Edge Insight and Banks IQ standalone. You can also use EFI Live as gauges through data logging.

Can I ask why? Although it was a little off topic, a vendor who choses to belittle, ridicule and put down forum users during a valid discussion should be left for all to see for the greater good of the community and future customers. It's discussions like these that show the true integrity of an organisation. Sanitizing content may keep the sponsors happy, but in doing so your doing a great disservice to the 50,000 or so members.

As a vendor you enter discussions on a board like this knowing you are representing your company. You need to act accordingly and take responsibility for your written words; sometimes that may mean biting your tongue or retreating.

Just my opinion.

Cheers
Cindy

In my humble opinion, once a vendor has offered their product for consideration as a solution, then the customer service they offer following that becomes relevant. I'll explain further below....



I do understand where you are coming from in terms of "product" relevance. My point relates to the relevance of "customer service and respect". Here you are as a person looking to invest money in a solution relevant for your situation, and a vendor has suggested their product for your consideration.

Fast forward a few posts and then they openly insult, put down and belittle another person - if that's how they do business on an open forum, you can only wonder how you'd be treated if you purchased from them. In this instance you've had the benefit of reading what was said and can make an informed decision about how you may be treated and where you chose to invest your hard earned cash. Unfortuantely those who use the search function will never see that and can never draw their own conclusions.

I will say I don't personally know JBarker; I've never met him, I've never had a run in with him, and our products while they are in the same market, appeal to vastly different customers. We all have good days and bad days; maybe this was a bad day; maybe JBarker and DuratotheMax just have issues with each other - I don't know. I was just curious why the posts were removed.

Cheers
Cindy
Well Said!

After a bit of discussion, and OP's permission...All posts have been restored.

So should I reinstate the post? And that's an honest question. One the one hand it reveals this image; on the other no one realizes this is a tech thread. :confused:
Honestly If I made the wrong call they can be put back.

There are valid points on both sides of the fence - TECH and Off Topic opposed to Customer Service and Vendor obligations. I am of the opinion that where possible we shouldn't moderate content, but understand that at times it's needed.

It's difficult for me to answer should the posts be reinstated, although I note they already have. If I say "Yes" then I risk the impression as a Vendor taking a swipe at another Vendor, and disrepecting the Original Poster, who has agreed it's completely Off Topic. If I say "No" then we've all spent alot of time on a non issue.

Was removing the posts right or wrong? I don't know.
Are my thoughts right or wrong? I don't know - but I do beleive in them.
Is there a right way or a wrong way - probably not; it's an issue that is clouded in that grey murky area inbetween and involves humans making decisions, opinions and comments so it's never going to be black or white.

I am thankful that I was able to openly discuss my opinion, and hear the opinions of others; and appreciate you asking me for my comment.

Cheers
Cindy

We just want to be able to do what we do here better, Thanks Cindy.

TightGTP, You have a few options. Erratically, from 2004+ certain vehicles have become 'CAN Compliant'. Meaning, your options of standalone engine monitors are a little more limited. You'll have to check vendors websites to verify the lists of compliant vehicles.
As mentioned before, the Quadzilla's Scout (http://www.quadzillapower.com/products/index.cfm/p/Scout), BD's X2 (http://www.dieselperformance.com/index.php/product/index/122P), the Bullydog's PMT (http://www.bullydog.com/product/index/product_detail/143), Edge's Evolution CTS and CS (http://www.edgeproducts.com/product.php?pk=124&pvk=347), and the TS MPD Monitor (http://www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/ts-performance/mpd-heads-up.htm) will work. Make sure to read the details as a lot of products, like Edges' Attitude CS/CTS, must be used in conjunction with the Juice Module. Sorry, after re-checking the Bullydog PMT and the Edge products links I realized they are tuning/monitoring devices - not standalone monitors.

Not that my opinion make any difference but, I felt that I should comment on the way this thread has turned. First off, my hats off to you Cindy from EFI Live. Way to be the voice of reason! Your handled yourself amiably when it would have been easier to do otherwise.
Excellent decision to replace the deleted posts. I think that the posts between duro and banks dude helped reveal a side of each we couldn't have seen (figuratively speaking) any other way. If either where just two diesel enthusiasts then their argument would amount to little. But, because most people (like myself) have nothing more then a computer screen to judge you by, you need to be more cautious on how you represent yourself and your business.