Well we have been on a 3000 mile trip towing our 5th wheel throught the Rockies. Al I can say is that tuners hurt you when towing. It only took me a couple of big grades to shut off the Edge and tow in stock mode. I didn't even try the Preditor. IMHO if you have to back out of the throttle to keep the EGT's in check then no need in using it. Never ran out of power and we have pulled 9500 - 12200 foot passes. But I ts great for the take offs and just driving solo.

Greg

I guess I'd like a little more info...

Wasn't the Edge defueling to keep the temps in check? What tune were you running?

exhaust upgrades? how steep was the grade? what level was it set to? And how high where the egt's?

I have found the opposite to be true.
When I tow, my gross is about 21k, I have found that I can lean on it with a little throttle angle and not have to work the rpms as much.
Also with stock exhaust my Egt's were higher at low rpms in 5th.
When I got the exhaust system,the egt's were much lower in the same conditions.
These are just my observations.
I preferred the quad tow tune to the Edge.
Jay

I'm with coyotekid, just set the edge's defuel to your desired temp. and go on with it.

Perhaps a TTS Tow would suit your needs better.

I've been running around at 15k combined weight without problem. Now I'm not sure what will happen when we leave the rolling hills of WI, but on a flat out run, I hit just shy of 1400°f max running an 80 HP tune...

I have the 4" exhaust running the 40hp tune. The grades were big, something that will work the truck. This is not my first time running extra power when towing. If you are in small hills with strong head winds its fine. But go to some serious grades and as I said its worthless. Also if you have to set it to defuel then why run it?

Greg

I can't agree. I am running 26,000 combined and as heavy as 30,000 once in a while. W/O the tune, I just wouldn't be able to get there in comfort. Currently running just a 65 hp tune to keep the smoke down, but have used the 85 and 100 hp too.(Way too much smoke on steep starts to be social)

I see EGTs in the 1400 range for sustained heavy pulls.

I Agree, pulling combined weight of 16000, have to back off on all hills over 5 min in duration or the EGT'S go well over 1350!

I'll be finding out soon, but my testing has been foot to the floor 1/4 mile+ acceleration runs. I am not running the standard tunes though.

Stock EGT's run 1400°f plus so 1350°f isn't necessarily bad...

My Van Aaken runs about the same temps as stock, but definatley pulls harder. No problems with EGT's. We pulled the Blues last week, both directions, and coming back from the coast with the travel trailer we were passing cars and trucks climbing back over the Blues. What a feeling, and the engine temps and tranny temps stayed in check. That was at about 88 degrees outside temps at the bottoms, 70's on top.
M

Problem is, the VA for the LLY can easily pull through the stock transmission on level 2 and if you run a box like that for long it will eventually do damage.

Problem is, the VA for the LLY can easily pull through the stock transmission on level 2 and if you run a box like that for long it will eventually do damage.

Only a fool would use it on level 2 with a stock tranny. It adds plenty on the first level, a major difference over stock. Having the toggle switch to choose your setting in the cab is nice, although mine always stays on level one anyway. Another nice feature compared to the Predator that I sold, is that the throttle isn't twitchy, and the shifts feels good, like stock. I didn't care for the way my Ally shifted with the predator. The Predator has some nice features, but even without those features, and at a higher cost, the Van Aaken works much better for me, and the drivability isn't even comparable. But then, I don't hot rod around in my truck, I use it as it was intended, as a tow vehicle.

Only a fool would use it on level 2 with a stock tranny. It adds plenty on the first level, a major difference over stock. Having the toggle switch to choose your setting in the cab is nice, although mine always stays on level one anyway. Another nice feature compared to the Predator that I sold, is that the throttle isn't twitchy, and the shifts feels good, like stock. I didn't care for the way my Ally shifted with the predator. The Predator has some nice features, but even without those features, and at a higher cost, the Van Aaken works much better for me, and the drivability isn't even comparable. But then, I don't hot rod around in my truck, I use it as it was intended, as a tow vehicle.


That's not what your signature says:


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A two level box is a pretty poor value if you can only use one level. The Edge EZ has 3 useable levels...

That's not what your signature says:





A two level box is a pretty poor value if you can only use one level. The Edge EZ has 3 useable levels...

I think my signature is accurate as to what I have stated, The toggle switch has 3 positions. Level one is stock, level 2 is 70 HP, level 3 is over 100 somewhere, 130 I think. I run it on the 70 HP level. All those levels the EZ has really don't do anything for me. I either want stock, or a decent boost that is within safe levels. The VA has that. The more button, positions, etc. that ANYTHING has, has a tendency to create something that people feel the need to constantly mess with. The VA runs like a stocker, but has more torque, and really gets with it when you put your foot in it. The perfect set up, and if I someday get stupid and decide I need to invest more in the tranny just so I can go faster, then I have the high (toggle position 3) setting there for me. The Edge products seem to have some issues, that is why I don't own one. I have seen many posts concerning Edge products that were not favorable, not one on the VA. Money wasn't an object, performance and reliability were when I choose the VA.

Sorry, I consider it Off/low/High Figured the second power level would be 2. Like Edge Juice 0 is off etc. There's no doubt that the VA is smooth and makes good TQ, I just don't care for how it does boost and the idea that it only has 1 useable power level with a stock trans.

I'm with SLEDMAN. Tried a number other boxes/tuners, V/A has lowest EGT's, least twitchy throttle, lowest engine noise, & good power--on my truck anyhow. When I had an easily adjustable power adder, I always left it on the highest setting my tranny could take, so having a bunch of levels was no biggy. Next week, my tranny is getting ATS'd, so the V/A will spend most of the rest of it's life(towing being the only exception) on the 130 setting.

Well we have been on a 3000 mile trip towing our 5th wheel throught the Rockies. Al I can say is that tuners hurt you when towing. It only took me a couple of big grades to shut off the Edge and tow in stock mode. I didn't even try the Preditor. IMHO if you have to back out of the throttle to keep the EGT's in check then no need in using it. Never ran out of power and we have pulled 9500 - 12200 foot passes. But I ts great for the take offs and just driving solo.

Greg

I think after this weekend's tow Greg's opinion on boxes/EGT will be changed. ;)

Oh? Wut's the scoop...........

All I have to say at this point is thing look very good.:ro) ):h :D

Greg

All I have to say at this point is thing look very good.:ro) ):h :D

Greg

Inquiring minds want to know the details....???
BTW: You running an LB7 or LLY...???

The tech guy from Banks tells me with the Bundle I can tow in step 2 @ 3 and run in step 4 for normal driving. He also tells me they can't keep up with intercooler orders for people with the EDGE because of what your telling us. Yet everone tells me to run the EDGE. HELP me I confused! Thanks

[quote=LanduytG;616615]Well we have been on a 3000 mile trip towing our 5th wheel throught the Rockies. Al I can say is that tuners hurt you when towing. It only took me a couple of big grades to shut off the Edge and tow in stock mode. I didn't even try the Preditor. IMHO if you have to back out of the throttle to keep the EGT's in check then no need in using it. Never ran out of power and we have pulled 9500 - 12200 foot passes. But I ts great for the take offs and just driving solo.

i just got back last night from b.c. (i live in alberta). i was 17000lbs combined so fairly light. i was running quad on 215 and highest egt's i saw was 1300. these aren't the biggest hills in the rockies but they are decent size.

Make sure you have something that will increase boost along with the increased fuel to bring down the temps, and then tuners should help, especially in high elevations where the air is thin....:cool2:

The tech guy from Banks tells me with the Bundle I can tow in step 2 @ 3 and run in step 4 for normal driving. He also tells me they can't keep up with intercooler orders for people with the EDGE because of what your telling us. Yet everone tells me to run the EDGE. HELP me I confused! Thanks

They are SO full of it...

If they were making so many intercooler sales, don't you think more than a handfulwould be here? The intercooler swap is targeted at the TRUE enthusiast. The guy who spends thousands, the guy who is here.

I have had one on order for months now for a customer. Poor supply would be what I'd blame. I'll stick with the Edge, but of course I really should test the Banks...

If you upgrade To the Banks Techni-cooler the Stock charger is capable Sustains Drops in EGT"s,it still will peek but drops quickly.

The tech guy from Banks tells me with the Bundle I can tow in step 2 @ 3 and run in step 4 for normal driving. He also tells me they can't keep up with intercooler orders for people with the EDGE because of what your telling us. Yet everone tells me to run the EDGE. HELP me I confused! Thanks

The stock cooler is factory Max"s,Any performance modification needs to be spec out for intended use.You need in some applications to add hardware to support it.

Well we are back from the weekend of towing. No super big hills in the midwest but still enough to say the BS is well worth the investment. Towing with the Edge in #3 never so anything over 1300* Before #1 would go way beyond 1300* and I would have to backout of it. I would really love to tow out west with it in the same hills that we were in before. Never tried #4 because the trans is stock. Results are not surprising becasue we did the same thing with the old 6.5TD.

Greg

Well we are back from the weekend of towing. No super big hills in the midwest but still enough to say the BS is well worth the investment. Towing with the Edge in #3 never so anything over 1300* Before #1 would go way beyond 1300* and I would have to backout of it. I would really love to tow out west with it in the same hills that we were in before. Never tried #4 because the trans is stock. Results are not surprising becasue we did the same thing with the old 6.5TD.

Greg

Knew you'd like it!

The tech guy from Banks tells me with the Bundle I can tow in step 2 @ 3 and run in step 4 for normal driving. He also tells me they can't keep up with intercooler orders for people with the EDGE because of what your telling us. Yet everone tells me to run the EDGE. HELP me I confused! Thanks

What truck are you running?? Fill out a sig for future purposes. The edge is a better bang per performance dollar IMO. Both are adjustable and have basically the same features. It was stated here before that an 80 hp tune from the edge or TTS or something would out pull the banks on the 155 hp setting. Unloaded of course.

TTS tow tune will work well for you if you have the LLY.

Okay that isnt very clear. You cant go wrong with the EDGE I Love mine. There are many great tow tunes avail. The Banks is a little expensive. better alternatives IMO.

The EDGE with attitude is like 750-800 bucks but it comes with gauges(boost and pyro) and with the adjustability it is a great buy.

Pred. is in the 300 range and runs right with the EDGE power wise but it does not come with gauges and is not adjustable on the fly.

Do a search on tuners or tow tune and you will have plenty of views on varying tuners and/or boxes.