So im in the market for new ones what the best heavy duty aftermarket ones available?

Stay FAR FAR away from Cognito. You pay good money for them, and they give you piece of chit 60 DAY warrenty. I get better warrenties from AUTOZONE! I've had mine for less than a year, and the inner tie rods are JUNK and cognito wolnt do anything about it. CRAPPY custmer service! 10 months and they are shot. BS if you ask me. Less than 20,000 miles too!

Stay FAR FAR away from Cognito. You pay good money for them, and they give you piece of chit 60 DAY warrenty. I get better warrenties from AUTOZONE! I've had mine for less than a year, and the inner tie rods are JUNK and cognito wolnt do anything about it. CRAPPY custmer service! 10 months and they are shot. BS if you ask me. Less than 20,000 miles too!

Wow, and I just got some.:confused:

I just replaced both my inners, outers and idler and pitman arm with MOOG parts, since they offer a lifetime warranty, they are more expensive, but i won't have to buy another set.

I would go moog but I want to get ones that are a little thicker and can take a beating

I think these look damn good.
http://dmaxstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23_173_137&products_id=227

I think these look damn good.
http://dmaxstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23_173_137&products_id=227

Those are really nice anyone ever run them?

Fabtech makes some, but I think it is only for use with spindle lift kits.

I wonder if u'll need the sway bar end link replacements like some have said you do with the Cognito hd rods.

Y do the Cognito arms fail so quickly?

Had a few Cognito's wear, but they stood behind everyone of them. I dont remember how old they were, I'm sure they were over 60 days though.

Personally, I like the OEM style parts with sleeves. That way you can buy replacment parts anywhere if in a bind.

Yah, wish I would have done that now. But i have $250 dollars in these things, and hate to just pitch them. I REALLY hope they help out and stand behind these. It would be a damn shame if they didnt!

Yah, wish I would have done that now. But i have $250 dollars in these things, and hate to just pitch them. I REALLY hope they help out and stand behind these. It would be a damn shame if they didnt!


call Cognito and see what they say.

Those are really nice anyone ever run them?
There are some here running them I heard good things so I ordered some but havnt tried them yet.

I wonder if u'll need the sway bar end link replacements like some have said you do with the Cognito hd rods.

They say there are no clearance issues like the cognito or fabtech parts.

Those are really nice anyone ever run them?
Im running them they are great already went down that road with the Cognito one's and they wear out quick!

Go for the Rare Part tie rods. The cognitos and fabtechs are made at the same china fab and now made with cheap metal which wears out quickly. Even though they appear to be heavy duty, they are made using cheap chinese crap metal. When the fabtechs first came out, they were decent but about the time cognito started having this china company make them is when fabtech made a revision and started using crappy metal. Visually looking at the new versus old/original fabtechs, I can see where they changed them. There are definite differences in the molding, markings and even rubber boots.

I used to get over 40K miles out of the fabtechs but now I get only about 6K on same vehicle (tried both cognito and late model fabtechs and same result) - so BIG difference in longevity compared to the early fabtechs

China is trying to screw the US any way it can - I am convinced of that. Even our quality USA made Leupold rifle scopes are now being copied and sold on ebay (fakes) - bearing the Leupold branding. Also China government convinced Microsoft to share the Windows code so it could confirm there are no backdoors in the event of a war. Microsoft, so eager to gain a piece of the Chinese internet explosion, shared the code with them. The final result is that now China has it's own operating system that is a direct copy of Windows. I just don't trust them and no one here in the US is looking at the broader scope or big picture and seeing all of this?

Rare parts are made in the USA so you know you are most likely getting a quality product.

Damnit, i baught mine too soon too. 60 day warranty? really? Thats a slap in the face... stand behind your product.

Go for the Rare Part tie rods. The cognitos and fabtechs are made at the same china fab and now made with cheap metal which wears out quickly. Even though they appear to be heavy duty, they are made using cheap chinese crap metal. When the fabtechs first came out, they were decent but about the time cognito started having this china company make them is when fabtech made a revision and started using crappy metal. Visually looking at the new versus old/original fabtechs, I can see where they changed them. There are definite differences in the molding, markings and even rubber boots.

I used to get over 40K miles out of the fabtechs but now I get only about 6K on same vehicle (tried both cognito and late model fabtechs and same result) - so BIG difference in longevity compared to the early fabtechs

China is trying to screw the US any way it can - I am convinced of that. Even our quality USA made Leupold rifle scopes are now being copied and sold on ebay (fakes) - bearing the Leupold branding. Also China government convinced Microsoft to share the Windows code so it could confirm there are no backdoors in the event of a war. Microsoft, so eager to gain a piece of the Chinese internet explosion, shared the code with them. The final result is that now China has it's own operating system that is a direct copy of Windows. I just don't trust them and no one here in the US is looking at the broader scope or big picture and seeing all of this?

Rare parts are made in the USA so you know you are most likely getting a quality product.


How do I tell if my Leupold scopr I just bought off Ebay is fake?

Personally, I like the OEM style parts with sleeves. That way you can buy replacment parts anywhere if in a bind.

I went this route for same reason. Haven't found a shop yet (4 and counting) that can get the damn alignment done without my steering wheel being cocked a quarter turn one direction or the other. Every shop eventually says need to remove the sleeves or go with HD version for better adjustability. Gets aggravating. Getting ready to give one of the "chain" stores a shot at it.

I went this route for same reason. Haven't found a shop yet (4 and counting) that can get the damn alignment done without my steering wheel being cocked a quarter turn one direction or the other. Every shop eventually says need to remove the sleeves or go with HD version for better adjustability. Gets aggravating. Getting ready to give one of the "chain" stores a shot at it.


HD version? Im confused so you have trouble getting aligned with the Cognito rods?

HD version? Im confused so you have trouble getting aligned with the Cognito rods?

No, no - I went with stock rods and sleeves - can't get a good alignment now. So I've been considering the HD rods b/c every shop has told me that's what I need to get the alignment right. I don't believe them, but I have no idea (maybe my sleeves are too long - who knows what the issue is). I have one more shop I want to try - then considering something HD.

Sounds like you need a good shopp...

Agreed!! Shop that installed them for me can't beleive that no one can get it done! He's sent them plenty of Duramax's with same install without issue. Something with my truck apparently requires a tech willing to step out of the box and haven't found one able yet.

Nick (Norcal) offered to walk a tech through it over the phone to get it done (I have cognito leveling kit). The shops won't agree to that. lol

Agreed!! Shop that installed them for me can't beleive that no one can get it done! He's sent them plenty of Duramax's with same install without issue. Something with my truck apparently requires a tech willing to step out of the box and haven't found one able yet.

Nick (Norcal) offered to walk a tech through it over the phone to get it done (I have cognito leveling kit). The shops won't agree to that. lol

My sleeves were a bit long as well, I ended up grinding them down some.

How do I tell if my Leupold scopr I just bought off Ebay is fake?

http://www.leupold.com/corporate/resources/counterfeit-warning/

Didnt buy either one, thanks!

Hey guys here is a preview of what we will be releasing in 30-60 days. They are in the final stages right now. Pricing will be more than the current competition however the quality cant be beat.


http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz61/dmaxstorep/Kryptonite%20tie%20rod%20ends/IMG_5765.jpg

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz61/dmaxstorep/Kryptonite%20tie%20rod%20ends/IMG_6084.jpg

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz61/dmaxstorep/Kryptonite%20tie%20rod%20ends/IMG_6082.jpg




DmaxStore-Kryptonite-Series

Engineered exclusively for the Xtreme demands of the Duramax diesel. Built with pride in the USA to work with stock or modified suspension. Using superior components and engineering these Tie Rods easily outperform the competition.

Details:

*Heat treated chromoly nickle outer studs.

*Bullet proof all steel inner ball sockets.

*Solid 1 1/16" Hexagon steel bodys.

*Left and Right hand jam nuts for the ultimate adjustabiltiy.
*5 year unlimited mileage warranty
Kryptonite series tie rods are the absolute best choice for your Duramax. They are pregreased with Chevron Ultra Duty EP2 Red Grease.

In recent labratory strength tests we applied enough pulling pressure to rip apart the OEM/Aftermarket/ and Kryptonite series tie rods. The OEM tie rods fail at 9000 pounds of pressure. The much larger diameter aftermarket tie rods designed only to fit on lifted suspension trucks failed at 17000 pounds of pressure. DmaxStore Kryptonite series tie rods held up to an increadible 21000 pounds of pressure before pulling apart.

Very Nice

Looks really good.

Prices?

I must be lucky....

I have a CST currently running about 10.5 on the 9/11 lift. They claim I could not use Fabtech but I put them on anyway and they fit. It must be the "old"one, because all I do is grease them with Syn Mobil and I am 2.5 years with pretty clean tire wear. Believe it or not I just put 35000 miles on a set ot Toyo 37X13.50X24 and they are still going. (even wear :eek:- its all about cross rotation and tire pressure) I take the rear to the front, then X the front to the rear. I also run 55-60 psi. Works like a charm.

As for this thread, if I buy any new tie rods I will NOT to Heim. They are junk and will not last on our heavy trucks. Too many people using them and not working out very well. They will do great for a few months, but you will also feel more on the road, then your nylon will wear out and bam...back to sloppy.

I think Mike at Dmaxstore has a pretty interesting new product. It would be worth a try before you buy anything else, unless you can find the old fabtechs.

As I said Mike, as soon as my truck has the SoCal Engine installed I will be down to put those Kryptonite Series and 4" lift on!!!

Stay FAR FAR away from Cognito. You pay good money for them, and they give you piece of chit 60 DAY warrenty. I get better warrenties from AUTOZONE! I've had mine for less than a year, and the inner tie rods are JUNK and cognito wolnt do anything about it. CRAPPY custmer service! 10 months and they are shot. BS if you ask me. Less than 20,000 miles too!


I am not understanding why you can not get them replaced under warranty. I warranty with in standards all the Cognito HD tie rods that are purchased from us. I know you didn't buy from me so reason I stated in my reply PM you need to go to your purchaser for help or directly to Cognito. Really we have not had many go bad in comparison to how many we have sold (Installed and shipped). I have found the first killer is not enough grease, not saying this is what happened or your fault because I can not say with out inspecting them but again what we have seen. Have I seen failures, yes. But again I still feel the Cognito HD tie rods are the best all around tie rod upgrade on the market for the price and how strong they are. Take the proper steps to getting your tie rods warranty and you will get it fixed. There are many members with these and have not had problems, unfortunately you are one that did but Cognito stands behind there product you just have to take the right steps so they can help you.

Again sorry to hear about the failure.

Prices?



Prices will be in the mid $300 range. Our goal is to deliver the strongest tie rods on the market. Back them up with an untouchable warranty and be compatible with Lifted/Lowered/ and Stock suspension.

I will buy em!

I am not understanding why you can not get them replaced under warranty. I warranty with in standards all the Cognito HD tie rods that are purchased from us. I know you didn't buy from me so reason I stated in my reply PM you need to go to your purchaser for help or directly to Cognito. Really we have not had many go bad in comparison to how many we have sold (Installed and shipped). I have found the first killer is not enough grease, not saying this is what happened or your fault because I can not say with out inspecting them but again what we have seen. Have I seen failures, yes. But again I still feel the Cognito HD tie rods are the best all around tie rod upgrade on the market for the price and how strong they are. Take the proper steps to getting your tie rods warranty and you will get it fixed. There are many members with these and have not had problems, unfortunately you are one that did but Cognito stands behind there product you just have to take the right steps so they can help you.

Again sorry to hear about the failure.

Completely agree Nick! He purchased the tie rods from me. I'm trying to help him out. I gave him a couple options we can take. I have spoke with Cognito about them and they said they would be willing to make things right upon inspection! This is the first set that I have had fail or wear of all the sets that I have sold and/or installed. Once I am able to get the tie rods back here I can inspect them and then I'm pretty sure Cognito will make it right! Agreed on the grease! These HD tie rods take a lot of grease, especially upon the initial install. I am trying to work with him and Cognito as best I can.

Completely agree Nick! He purchased the tie rods from me. I'm trying to help him out. I gave him a couple options we can take. I have spoke with Cognito about them and they said they would be willing to make things right upon inspection! This is the first set that I have had fail or wear of all the sets that I have sold and/or installed. Once I am able to get the tie rods back here I can inspect them and then I'm pretty sure Cognito will make it right! Agreed on the grease! These HD tie rods take a lot of grease, especially upon the initial install. I am trying to work with him and Cognito as best I can.


I had read the other thread and saw he said he purchased from you, I guess he figured that out after PMing me. Cognito had told me you had talked to them so I figured it was only delay in time between talking to them and the customer. I can understand his frustration but it sounds like you have it handled.

How do I tell if my Leupold scopr I just bought off Ebay is fake?

Mount it on your rifle and when you can't hit anything, scream, :rippedhan

How long do the Cognito's tie rods usually last? I'm going to be doing something with the front end soon and had planned on the Cognito's but now a little worried!

How long do the Cognito's tie rods usually last? I'm going to be doing something with the front end soon and had planned on the Cognito's but now a little worried!


I have plenty of customers running them and in the 40-60 range with no issues. I have 5-6 guys over 60k and still running. Remember the really perspective here, Cognito HD tie rods started shipping Nov. 2007 so really there would not be too many guys running big mileage numbers but so far we have had pretty awesome luck with them for the amount sold.

I realize people want to make sure money is going a good direction but there are other things to conceder in proper suspension set up and usage when looking at defects, not saying the defects we have seen are related to wrong use but something to also conceder. The Cognito HD tie rods came to the market to offer customers with larger or stock tires a better solution to the pron OE tie rod issue's we have seen for years. I have been working directly with these 8-lug trucks for the past 10+ years, the 2001 Chevy HD trucks (new suspension design) came out and we really seen some next level suspension mods start popping up and tire sizes get very large. Cognito along with other company's offered what was called "Heim style" tie rods that offered a very strong solution but life span was short due to being a open heim to the every day abuse that typical truck owners seen. The heims would not fail or brake but they would wear and create slop in the steering speeding up tire wear from false alignment and even make noise from being dry. Even with a good amount of heim style tie rods being sold over the years Cognito wanted to take it to the next level for the common size tire and wheel and lift size we saw the market leveling off too. Before it was all about nothing smaller than 37's if you wanted to be cool and that was where the problem steering tie rods failed the most. In more recent years the market has leveled out to the most common size lift and tire now being in the 4" range and between 33"-35"s, this part of the market demanded something economical in price, strong and something that lasted longer than the heims. Designing a larger than OE tie rod that was sealed and lubricated with grease was the ticket. With NorCal Truck seeing the number in sales raise 8 x on the OE HD Style tie rods more than the Heim style sold in the past years and not to mention we have sold the Cognito heim style for the past 5 years and the OE's started shipping in Nov. 2007 thats a pretty crazy jump in product sales. I ran some numbers of my sales vs. warranty's on the Cognito HD tie rods and I am right now seeing a 1.7% warranty percentage.

I have some numbers from Cognito that where emailed over to me and I am going to post the numbers for everyone to see what I am looking at and where my feeling are on what works well enough for the budget. I see bigger numbers in this product line, more than any other Cognito dealer and thats not to say to just take our word but really the numbers don't lie and is something to base business off of and that is what I do when choosing product or referring it. At this time I am not looking at anything better than the Cognito HD tie rods, I may add another option for business reasons but I am not looking to bring the next best thing to the market, I feel it's here already. If you purchase a set of these from us we are here to take care of anything that happens as long as it has been properly installed and not self in flicked damage, the common restrictions of any warranty. :)

i had a set of cognito heim style tie rods on my 04 with 6 inches of lift and 35s for 40k miles, sold the truck and they were still good. i plan on putting them on my 2010 chevy as well. jsut thought id throw that in there.

Had a few Cognito's wear, but they stood behind everyone of them. I dont remember how old they were, I'm sure they were over 60 days though.

Personally, I like the OEM style parts with sleeves. That way you can buy replacment parts anywhere if in a bind.


Great point!!!!

Hey guys here is a preview of what we will be releasing in 30-60 days. They are in the final stages right now. Pricing will be more than the current competition however the quality cant be beat.


http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz61/dmaxstorep/Kryptonite%20tie%20rod%20ends/IMG_5765.jpg

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz61/dmaxstorep/Kryptonite%20tie%20rod%20ends/IMG_6084.jpg

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz61/dmaxstorep/Kryptonite%20tie%20rod%20ends/IMG_6082.jpg




DmaxStore-Kryptonite-Series

Engineered exclusively for the Xtreme demands of the Duramax diesel. Built with pride in the USA to work with stock or modified suspension. Using superior components and engineering these Tie Rods easily outperform the competition.

Details:

*Heat treated chromoly nickle outer studs.

*Bullet proof all steel inner ball sockets.

*Solid 1 1/16" Hexagon steel bodys.

*Left and Right hand jam nuts for the ultimate adjustabiltiy.
*5 year unlimited mileage warranty
Kryptonite series tie rods are the absolute best choice for your Duramax. They are pregreased with Chevron Ultra Duty EP2 Red Grease.


In recent labratory strength tests we applied enough pulling pressure to rip apart the OEM/Aftermarket/ and Kryptonite series tie rods. The OEM tie rods fail at 9000 pounds of pressure. The much larger diameter aftermarket tie rods designed only to fit on lifted suspension trucks failed at 17000 pounds of pressure. DmaxStore Kryptonite series tie rods held up to an increadible 21000 pounds of pressure before pulling apart.

These look like a fine bit of engineering, but I have a question or two. When you had these laying next to the OEM ones the ball joint itself looked to be the same size, is it. I know the tapered shaft is the same size but is the ball joint itself larger and by how much? What about the inner ball joint?
What happens if we break one of these ball joints, will we have to get them from you or are they off the shelf units.
Thanks,

Replace the whole thing with the kit from EXAXT and use the MOOG parts they recommend. I did and now I am a believer everyone should.

I only plan on replacing the parts that need replacing with better parts. I don't see where I need a center link capable of steering an M-1 tank. Classic overkill for what I do and I have way too many toys that I can spend the 600.00 dollars on, but thanks for your input.

I only plan on replacing the parts that need replacing with better parts. I don't see where I need a center link capable of steering an M-1 tank. Classic overkill for what I do and I have way too many toys that I can spend the 600.00 dollars on, but thanks for your input.

Your choice I guess. Mine was spend it now (which I did) on the exaxt kit, or spend it soon enough with replacement idlers and pitmans. 75k miles on my exaxt kit and it's still all tight. I got more than that out of my earlier d'max steering with the same kit.

--Rob

Can you guys please take some pics of your Exaxt kit on your trucks. I have been thinking about this kit but have not seen enough to pull the trigger.

Can you guys please take some pics of your Exaxt kit on your trucks. I have been thinking about this kit but have not seen enough to pull the trigger.

I'll try to get you some pics. May be a couple of days though.

So which tie rods actually use a larger inner and outer ball joint? Does any of them?

So which tie rods actually use a larger inner and outer ball joint? Does any of them?

The inner tie rod on the exaxt kit uses a early 90's ford tie rod, but sticks with stock outer tie rod threaded all the way into the adjustment sleeve.

The posting picture thing is kicking my @#$ right now. I can email them just not sure how to get them to post on here.

I can post them for you.
Email- RyanStefanelli@hotmail.com

you can email them to me and then I could post them.. wildcatranch@gmail.com

The inner tie rod on the exaxt kit uses a early 90's ford tie rod, but sticks with stock outer tie rod threaded all the way into the adjustment sleeve.

The posting picture thing is kicking my @#$ right now. I can email them just not sure how to get them to post on here.

Here they are!

I can post them for you.
Email- RyanStefanelli@hotmail.com

I tried your email but it told me undeliverable. Go figure.

you can email them to me and then I could post them.. wildcatranch@gmail.com

thank you.

ive got a set of cognito rods, i bought them after i broke the stockers during pulls, i also put a custom inch an 7/8 center link and did pitman arm and idler arm and brace, i got 4,500 miles out of the tie rods before they had more play than any other tierod ive ever seen, im waiting for cognitos reply on my warrenty, because they look big and beefy, but didnt last and almost caused an accident when i got insane death wobble going down the highway...... but if they hold strong to their warranty then it will make me a believer again, but if they back out ill make sure that nobody i know buys another set, and i know ALOT of people in the market for that product

I just ordered those Kryptonite tierods, we shall see how they do.....