One of my best customers showed up here yesterday with his order forms for his 2011 3500 and wanted me to go over it with him. His dealer, Estes Chevrolet in Indy, has told him that a "dual turbo" was being offered in the 3500 only! He is pumped and I cant find anything on the webby to support this. I saw the order form but could not copy it at the time, and it gave a description to code LML as "dual turbo":confused: I'll see if I can get him to scan it or bring it back over here before he returns to Indy. Any one hear of this?

BS. Dual wheels is offered in 3500 only. He must have misunderstood or they misunderstood.

Actually I read the order form my self! He can't come by today, but he said he will bring the forms by tomorrow and let me scan them to post here. I told him they were full of BS when he informed me of it last week. He has a second home here in Fl, and he will be here for a few days, while I put a Gobi roof rack on his 09 H2 then let me check the options he "needs" :D then he's going back to Indy to place the order. I already told him not to get his feelings hurt when he only gets one turbo, but I also told him if it hurts him that bad, it wont be long and we could prolly add another one on it:D
In the mean time, he wants to inquire about Duramaxin this 09 H2:eek:

Could also be dual alternator option?

Sounds like the dealer is full of it... I've been to Estes a few times... doesn't surprise me.

Yeah I call BS also. The LML is a single variable geomotry turbo. The LML is from what i've heard 397hp and 765ft-lbs of torque. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRfYpHm9kSc

they changed the compressor and turbine wheels on turbo, that could be were the confussion came from. an LML will be the same due to the EPA, cost $1-15million to certify for epa.

there are twin turbo LML's. Just not production LML's. ;)

ben

Garrett has a 2-turbo sequential system (like on the Ford 6.4) ready to put on the Dmax...just a question of when. The whole bankruptcy thing slowed a lot of projects down.

be interesting to see what this really turns out to be...

I really dont understand what is so great about the [factory] twin turbo. Other than it sounds cool to say "my truck has twin turbos!!! oooOoOoOOOO!!"

Ive never driven a stock 6.4, but from what I understand the turbo lag and performance isnt any better (at all) than the dmax and ctd single turbos. So what you are left with is something bigger, harder to package, more moving parts to break, etc... that clearly doesnt have any performance advantage over a stock single turbo. The 6.4 wasnt even rated for peak torque until 2,000rpm. :rolleyes:

Ben

I really dont understand what is so great about the [factory] twin turbo. Other than it sounds cool to say "my truck has twin turbos!!! ...

You're exactly right, that setup wasn't anything to brag about... except for the bragging part! The order form probably had outdated info on it.

I may be wrong, but this sounds like an easy way for this dealership to make extra money in poor economic times.

Tell him to make the dealer prove it. Show him the difference in the turbos. Otherwise they may want to add the "platinum pistons" option...

Actually a tech from Estes is a member on this board. Mustangjohn...Ill have to call him and tell him to chime in on his sales staff!

Here's the form I scanned with the engine code. The dealer is telling him the "dual turbo" option is for 3500's only....I think this will turn out ugly for someone and I know who...lol!

it's under the dual alternator heading, probably just a typo.

it's under the dual alternator heading, probably just a typo.I'm sure it's an error, but it's not "under the dual alternator heading". It clearly states it's the LML code.

Im 100% sure its an error. :)

it's not in the column to the right of the K76: dual alternator? looks like it?

it's not in the column to the right of the K76: dual alternator? looks like it?
Well its in the column, but if you look closely, right under Trim it changes to "additional options" and then all the codes are listed.

This is going to get good! This guy buys a lot of vehicles from this dealer and he called them today and they are swearing this will happen with his 3500:eek: Again, I can't post the popcorn smiley! I wonder why we cant have a popcorn smiley:(

This is going to get good! This guy buys a lot of vehicles from this dealer and he called them today and they are swearing this will happen with his 3500:eek: Again, I can't post the popcorn smiley! I wonder why we cant have a popcorn smiley:(

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ha that's the one!

Another thing that gets me on this particular subject is that you can look at the march edition of Diesel Power and the write up says absolutly nothing about a twin or dual turbo setup period. The only difference I see in the exhaust department is another injector added in post turbo NOT another turbo anywhere in sight on any of the pics i've seen.

Didn't I see somewhere that the LML can run B20 biodiesel?

Could this represent Dual-Fuel?

Didn't I see somewhere that the LML can run B20 biodiesel?

Could this represent Dual-Fuel?


Go check out the youtube video I posted in an earlier post and you'll get your answer. I believe they talk about the bio on the vid.

Didn't I see somewhere that the LML can run B20 biodiesel?

Could this represent Dual-Fuel?
Yep. I should have just posted all the pages. When I get to the shop tomorrow, I just put all the pages up.

I vote for typo. This would be far too big of a change for GM to not announce it. Not to mention all the press and mags that have reported on it.

i vote a typo, maybe the clerk used to work at ford.

Here's the whole order..

So when is he suppose to be picking this thing up?

I don't know yet. But as soon as he gets it, it will come here for some "work" and I'll take some pics of it.

I don't know yet. But as soon as he gets it, it will come here for some "work" and I'll take some pics of it.

Ill bet my lunch money you'll only find one [turbo]. ;)

Here's the whole order..

If you look at the copywrite date on it, it says "2008". That was back when GM was actually testing dual-turbos on the duramax. The LML was originally slated to have dual turbos. Then the crap hit the fan with the bankrupcy thing etc... and they fell back on the existing cheaper/easier to mfg/design single turbo setup.

That is my guess why that order sheet says "dual turbo" on it.

ben

If you look at the copywrite date on it, it says "2008". That was back when GM was actually testing dual-turbos on the duramax. The LML was originally slated to have dual turbos. Then the crap hit the fan with the bankrupcy thing etc... and they fell back on the existing cheaper/easier to mfg/design single turbo setup.

That is my guess why that order sheet says "dual turbo" on it.

ben

So if it changed since 2008, that screen was printed off 4-6-10, you'd think they would have updated the sheet and codes... Interesting to say the least.

So if it changed since 2008, that screen was printed off 4-6-10, you'd think they would have updated the sheet and codes... Interesting to say the least.Yeah, That's what I was thinking! This is right off the GM website. I'm sure it will prolly only have one turbo, but just look at what this is going to cause when the truck shows up with only one! This dealer has to explain why this VERY expensive truck doesn't have twins:D And believe me, this customer is a cool guy, but I feel sorry for Estes when this happens! It almost makes me want to fly up to Indy and go in there with him to pick it up.

If you look at the copywrite date on it, it says "2008". That was back when GM was actually testing dual-turbos on the duramax. The LML was originally slated to have dual turbos. Then the crap hit the fan with the bankrupcy thing etc... and they fell back on the existing cheaper/easier to mfg/design single turbo setup.

That is my guess why that order sheet says "dual turbo" on it.

ben

Not really a cost issue, they changed based on performance.

So I take it that my youtube link I posted wasn't viewed by anyone on this thread it gave the correct answer as to weither or not there were dual turbo's on the LML. And beside the point look at it this way the duramax is still making more power with a single turbo than the powerstroke with twin turbo's are stock. Gotta love a duramax still kicking fords butt after all these years with a single charger lol.

So I take it that my youtube link I posted wasn't viewed by anyone on this thread it gave the correct answer as to weither or not there were dual turbo's on the LML. And beside the point look at it this way the duramax is still making more power with a single turbo than the powerstroke with twin turbo's are stock. Gotta love a duramax still kicking fords butt after all these years with a single charger lol.
Actually it doesn't make any difference to me one way or the other! I'm just trying to figure out how the dealer is going to pull this off):h

Not really a cost issue, they changed based on performance.

interesting... running too hot...High underhood temps maybe?

update?

Not really a cost issue, they changed based on performance.

interesting... running too hot...High underhood temps maybe?

It looked like a plumbing nightmare to me with the second turbo hanging over the back half of the drivers side valve cover. We know the single turbo setup makes enough power to top the competition so why go with a dual turbo setup?

My customrers order was finalized yesterday a a delivery date of end of June. They are still insisting his 3500 will have a "dual turbo" accoding to last weeks GM order. He still doesn't have pricing though.

My customrers order was finalized yesterday a a delivery date of end of June. They are still insisting his 3500 will have a "dual turbo" accoding to last weeks GM order. He still doesn't have pricing though.

My preliminary order says dual turbo on my 2500

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this is going to be good

My customrers order was finalized yesterday a a delivery date of end of June. They are still insisting his 3500 will have a "dual turbo" accoding to last weeks GM order. He still doesn't have pricing though.
The one that my dealer order should be in, in june with the tune of 74K for a sticker price. It is a 2500 with everything you can get on the GMC, that includes 20 in wheels.

maybe they thinl the compressor wheel and turbine make it dual turbo :p:

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LML is a single turbo. Early development it was a twin. GM for some reason has not updated the RPO description to single turbo. End of Story...

LML is a single turbo. Early development it was a twin. GM for some reason has not updated the RPO description to single turbo. End of Story...I disagree...the "story" aint over..lol I cant wait till this truck shows up with a single turbo! As I said, it makes me want to fly to Indy to watch this go down):h

I disagree...the "story" aint over..lol I cant wait till this truck shows up with a single turbo! As I said, it makes me want to fly to Indy to watch this go down):h


Well since your friend is so exstatic about it why don't you get him to buy your plane ticket to fly up there so you'll be present for the big ball buster when he opens the hood only to find a single snail in the place he thought was going to have a two snails in:laugh_exp:idiot:

Well since your friend is so exstatic about it why don't you get him to buy your plane ticket to fly up there so you'll be present for the big ball buster when he opens the hood only to find a single snail in the place he thought was going to have a two snails in:laugh_exp:idiot:

Working on that as we speak! Hell I might drive it back here cause we will get it as soon as he gets it anyway!

Working on that as we speak! Hell I might drive it back here cause we will get it as soon as he gets it anyway!


Sounds good let us know how that twin oops I mean single turbo duramax does on fuel economy:D!

The one that my dealer order should be in, in june with the tune of 74K for a sticker price. It is a 2500 with everything you can get on the GMC, that includes 20 in wheels.

A sticker price of $74k....Think I will buy me 2 of them:eek::eek::eek::eek:

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It looked like a plumbing nightmare to me with the second turbo hanging over the back half of the drivers side valve cover

pics?

A sticker price of $74k....Think I will buy me 2 of them:eek::eek::eek::eek:


how many years before we see MSRP of $100k? 7? 10?

how many years before we see MSRP of $100k? 7? 10?


Seem's like it maybe closer than expected judging by the 74k sticker price shown here. I'll guess 5 years or less:rolleyes:.

maybe some1 will build a special edition with the 2nd tubro gold plated with diamond encrusted radio dials, that might be up there in 100k area

I heard GM will have an option in 2012 for the TRI-TURBO

haha the funny thing is...i hate to break it to ya guys but for the 100k dollar sticker price you probably wont get any sort of cool gold, or silver plated anything...just another 50lbs of bullshit emmision control stuff to meet the next set of ridiculous standards. :/. Id put a word in for a gold plated DPF or maybe a Silver Urea injector :). or maybe an egr tube in the shape of like the Mona Lisa or something!

I'd take egr tubes that look like nice tits!

GM in the works for a quad turbo setup. Each wheel has its own turbo, now that's :cool:.

The one that my dealer order should be in, in june with the tune of 74K for a sticker price. It is a 2500 with everything you can get on the GMC, that includes 20 in wheels.

Is it a Denali? or a Standard. I wouldnt be surprised at that price on a Duramax Denali, but not on a Standard.

Even a denali good god 74 Grand... ridiculous.

Even a denali good god 74 Grand... ridiculous.

says who? Until they actually hit lots and we see window stickers, everything is "heresay" and BS from dealers who want you to buy a 2010 NOW and not wait for a 2011.

The truck I ordered is gonna be around 62 ttl out the door. Thats an 3500 single wheel ltz. All the options on it not sure if chevy has gone into the 70's yet, if you look online they are just a little more then the 2010. Wouldn't a dual turbo mean more air less fuel mileage??

im not entirely sure what ya mean by "more air, less milage"? if anything it would do better, assuming you have a light foot

im not entirely sure what ya mean by "more air, less milage"? if anything it would do better, assuming you have a light foot


Well if your sucking more air your sucking more fuel, wouldn't that take the mileage down?

Well if your sucking more air your sucking more fuel, wouldn't that take the mileage down?
Not so, on a diesel, sucking more air doesn't mean more fuel. Diesels don't need a specific air/fuel ratio to run. The only way more air hurts your mileage is the parasitic drag required (exhaust backpressure) to move the air into the engine.

Well if your sucking more air your sucking more fuel, wouldn't that take the mileage down?

I believe you have gasoline and diesel engines confused with one another. . . . .

Not so, on a diesel, sucking more air doesn't mean more fuel. Diesels don't need a specific air/fuel ratio to run. The only way more air hurts your mileage is the parasitic drag required (exhaust backpressure) to move the air into the engine.


Wasn't sure, thanks

not really, as long as you have the air to support the fuel your good. you can pump more air than is needed, a diesel doesnt run lean persay. itll burn all the air ya give it. now you can run more fuel than you have air to support, thayll take youe mpgs down. but if you have the air to support your fuel your mgs will go back up. kinda see what im sayin? someone else could probly explain it alot better than me

my bad some1 already did explain it better

Ok..BACK ON TOPIC:D So my customer got his truck today...and guess how many turbos!!! Yep just one...lol Funny thing is the salesman had told him before he got there and since I have been telling him only 1, he's not making a big deal of it. The salesman said GM just didn't "up date" the site... yeah...no sh&*! So here it is.. I should be getting it soon....

I knew it

/shock and awe....


:D

Looks awesome!! How come its an LTZ with steelies?

Looks awesome!! How come its an LTZ with steelies?

They probably haven't put the wheel covers on.

They probably haven't put the wheel covers on.

Bingo! They are taking it to the tire store tomorrow for some 265's:D
Looks like I get it next weekend here in Fl!

Oh..btw..look in the second pic. The 2500 in the background on the right is a2011 long bed they are offering to him at a pretty good price also!

what cracks me up is my trucks work order says dual turbo as well........ LOL