Our local EMS agency just received their brand new McCoy Miller Type III ambulances. Type III's are dually cut-away van chassis with a box body. Just for clarification...Type I are pickup chassis with box body (no pass thru) and Type II's are single rear wheel actual vans with raised roofs.

Anyhoo...I'm not sure if they are LML or LMM or what. But they are brand new and they are sharp looking rigs. They really like the quiet engine AND the power it has compared to the E350's. Would this be the exact same engine as the pickups?

The E Series never got the new 6.4L Powerstroke because it wouldn't fit in the current E Series vans. And they have yet to update the E Series to fit the new 6.7L Ford built Powerstroke. So when the 6.0L engines ran out...so did the Ford Ambulance Prep package in diesel. However they broke a long running tradition (and sales scam) of only offering diesels for ambulances because of the gas fire issues they had in the 80's. I could talk for hours about this but the fact is that Ford *could* have always offered gas engines in ambulances like the others but would not because of the increased money involved in selling diesels. SO...as fate would have it...they now again offer a V10 E Series Ambulance Prep Package for hold-out Ford ambulance buyers who refuse to buy other brands....and are awaiting the 6.7L upfit. I've long said they could have used the modern computer controlled gas engines in these...but like I said. The V10 trucks have exhaust heat sheilds on the exhaust and other things that make them safe.

But I stray from the topic. The Duramax rigs they now have are a great looking ambulance and looks like GM might have a winner on their hands if they keep the pressure on that market. They've got a clear cut break here in the market and should do all possible to capitalize on it. Cause Ford will be back.

Ford is also throwing a wrench in the police gearbox by only offering a Taurus based cop car for 2011...eliminating the Vic altogether in 10. GM meanwhile is offering a G8 based new car called the Caprice CPV (civialian police vehicle) thats rear drive etc etc. GM too could re-capture this market.

I heard some people died enroute because of the 6.0 POS

:nopics:

They JUST got them...and the first time I laid eyes on them I didn't have a digital camera in my fannie pack :D. I will get some pics asap and post them.

Looks like this stock photo from the McCoy Miller website...except different colors.

Check the RPO list in the glovebox to determine engine. I'm pretty sure that they are LMMs.

I heard some people died enroute because of the 6.0 POS

The city of detroit had eight 6.0's with blown engines. Ford would not replace the engines due to them being used for police and fire.

yeah they are probably 2010 models with the lmm. chev the vins for eighth digit from the end for year model and eighth from the front for engine code

yeah they are probably 2010 models with the lmm. chev the vins for eighth digit from the end for year model and eighth from the front for engine code

agreed.

if only they would put the allison in

This is interesting as our local EMS stations just went with all new F-450's for the entire fleet (7 of them) and F250/350 CC's for the Fire Response trucks.

I heard some people died enroute because of the 6.0 POS

There were stories of this happening which is sad.

The city of detroit had eight 6.0's with blown engines. Ford would not replace the engines due to them being used for police and fire.

The city of detroit also released maint. records for their fleet and it is understandable why they had issues with them. Not defending Ford, just pointing out there is always more to the story.

probably the former mayor was in carge of the maintance

If it was a 2010 it would have to been ordered in Sept 2009. They only made what was ordered for 2010 Dmax van. The 2011 vans will have urea. You will fill the urea next to the fuel fill.

if only they would put the allison in

the 2010 and up vans have the 6L90 which is a great 6-speed trans and I think will work nicely behind the dmax. Saves lots of weight, cost, packaging, etc over the allison.

ben

I wouldn't be surprised if they are '09s when you consider the lead time from GM to upfitter to delivery. No way the are '11s

Some of the largest Ambulance companies in CT switched from Fords to Duramax and Freightliner (Mercedes) vans more than year ago. The 6.0 PSD had been a logistical nightmare for these companies and they had no choice but to drop the Ford.

the 2010 and up vans have the 6L90 which is a great 6-speed trans and I think will work nicely behind the dmax. Saves lots of weight, cost, packaging, etc over the allison.

ben
Is that why its an option on the trucks? Oh it isnt, nevermind

These 3 were done by the company that builds our fire trucks.
http://www.alexisfire.com/FireEquipment/NewDeliveries/Kewanee_A120/index.htm
http://www.alexisfire.com/FireEquipment/NewDeliveries/Lacon-SparlandA115/index.html
http://www.alexisfire.com/FireEquipment/NewDeliveries/Lynch_A113/index.html

Is that why its an option on the trucks? Oh it isnt, nevermind

the vans dont need the allison. :rolleyes: They arent gonna be towing half as much as the trucks are. The 6L90 fits right in without raising the body or doing other custom stuff. Its shorter, lighter, etc....

The 6L90 has 6 speeds, is clutch to clutch, similar gear ratios to the allison, double overdrive, has tap-shift, tow/haul mode, and is rated to hold 520ft lbs max input torque. All that is perfectly adequate for a van.

Nobody complained about towing 17,000lbs with their stock LB7 when they first came out (520ft lbs)...whens the last time any van has towed that much?????

Perfectly adequate for some :)

The service I work for has 2 GMC type III's 3500's with Horton boxes. Both 08's and one we have had for a year and a half now has 74000 mi on it with no problems. Yes we drive the Sh** out of these things. They have the DPF and we let them idle for hours at times with no issues... huh... Not near as quick as my truck but it does weigh 2k more and is de-tuned. Only averages 11 mpg too. Next time I'm working I'll post some pics.

the vans dont need the allison. :rolleyes: They arent gonna be towing half as much as the trucks are..

Nobody complained about towing 17,000lbs with their stock LB7 when they first came out (520ft lbs)...whens the last time any van has towed that much?????

Don't under estimate my ability to completely over use my Van:D

I wouldn't be surprised if the 6L90 was more reliable under stock conditions.

Don't under estimate my ability to completely over use my Van:D:agreed::iamwithst I never towed more than the 10,000 lbs my van was rated for:rolleyes:

The ambulances around here are mostly type 1s on silverado 3500 wide track chassis. I've never heard of ANY problems with them.

So, they gonna be using EFI Live for even quicker response times

for what ever reason the local private service here is using the type II vans and as for the van running wise they have no problems; its with the extra tall tops put on them for standing room that is the issue....all 35 vans they have have leaks in multiple areas and the manufacture will only fix them at the factory. they seem to think the bodies are flexing more than they are designed to when cornering for some reason...will not field fix and will not send temp replacement units while main units are being serviced....minimum 6 to 10 weeks to fix one unit says warranty dept of manufacturer....