Im open to most suggestions on anything to get my truck to turn 500 on a dynojet dyno ...i made 438 on a mustang at shieds.. currently stacking hot juice with superchips 110 program the superchips aint much but its a little ...i dont want the horses to pull with or anything like that just want to turn 500 on the dyno...let me know what you think i have a dyno day at home coming up oct 4 i would like to get any mods i could by then ... thanks alot

Thought about the quad stealth 215hp?

no i dont know anything about it what do you know ,......price ...stack with juice? web site ...let me know if you can

Im open to most suggestions on anything to get my truck to turn 500 on a dynojet dyno ...i made 438 on a mustang at shieds.. currently stacking hot juice with superchips 110 program the superchips aint much but its a little ...i dont want the horses to pull with or anything like that just want to turn 500 on the dyno...let me know what you think i have a dyno day at home coming up oct 4 i would like to get any mods i could by then ... thanks alot the quad and the hot juiice should do it but dont knopw for sure,i have seen a ppe reflash a duramaxamizer and the tranny destroyer from edge stack for a flat line of over 500hp

i thinbk i know a guy with a black dmax who is running about the same setup who spiked the dyno at shieds.... where can i find info about this quad? thanks agian

i thinbk i know a guy with a black dmax who is running about the same setup who spiked the dyno at shieds.... where can i find info about this quad? thanks agian quadzillapower.com

Check out the quad site and if you are interested we are gettting a group buy together for different quads. Its a really great deal if you wanna join in.


Mike

i thinbk i know a guy with a black dmax who is running about the same setup who spiked the dyno at shieds.... where can i find info about this quad? thanks agian


You must be talking about Blackjet! I hope he finds this site. He lives here in Ohio, and I'm looking forward to seeing his truck. He does not need a power spike to hit 500 rwhp. He has lots of goodys and makes every bit of 500 rwhp.Edited by: hdmax

The combos that I know will make 500 rwhp are as follows and could vary from truck to truck.


First the 215hp program will typically make 450-470rwhp by itself. I know that is a big spread, but there is a lot of differences in dynos and trucks also.


Most stacking systems will only net about 15-25hp at the max.


SOme really like the TST set on level 1-5 I believe. I have also heard of using the torque enhancement only portion of the TST.


The big Van Aken nets around 18-20 usually.


I have mixed reviews on stacking the Comp. Juice. Some really like it and others feel it actually looses hp with out big tune?


Most of the truck also have 4" exhaust and an air kit.


I think most anytruck with any combination will be right at 500rwhp if not more.

quad, Are you refering to using the 215 stealth in combination with the TST? I have the tst comp and I am considering buying a stealth. I am just looking to find out more about stacking the tst and stealth. That stealth is a lot of money, so I want to make sure stacking the two give good results.

Maybe a cheaper stealth like the 135 could stack with good results with the tst at higher settings.

I'M LOOKING FOR A GINNY PIG! hint hint, anyone out there!

Thanks

Kyle
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quad, Are you refering to using the 215 stealth in combination with the TST? I have the tst comp and I am considering buying a stealth. I am just looking to find out more about stacking the tst and stealth. That stealth is a lot of money, so I want to make sure stacking the two give good results.

Maybe a cheaper stealth like the 135 could stack with good results with the tst at higher settings.

I'M LOOKING FOR A GINNY PIG! hint hint, anyone out there!

Thanks

Kyle
kyle i am in the process of testing the tstcomp and stealth together,the torque enhancement is were i am getting the most real power out of it,still some bugs but greg at tst is working with me and i think this problem will be solved soon

sweet, I just talked to greg this week about getting mine reflashed to help the bursting.

Should I wait? What bugs is he working on now?

Also, what levels of the stealth are you combining with the tst?

Thanks
Kyle

sweet, I just talked to greg this week about getting mine reflashed to help the bursting.

Should I wait? What bugs is he working on now?

Also, what levels of the stealth are you combining with the tst?

Thanks
Kyle
the problems arise b/c the stealth already does so much too injector pulse width,the real power of the stack seems to be using low power levels of the max and tq ehancement.greg has a new idea in mine for me so we will see what happens...jess

cool, I'll be waiting to see.
I just don't know if I can justify the 1300 for the 215 stealth yet. Thanks

SmokinMax


Achieving 500 Hp will also require a few more things than just stacking boxes. You should take a good hard look at the fuel system for starters.

fuel systems????meaning...? ...im making 438 now with just hot juice and superchips thats a samll combo taking into consideration the 215 stealth and juice wouldnt you think....kyle, "blackjet" or burns is running injectors thats it, to my knowledge talking to him a few times TIM_shieds _carlise- everything else is all electronics(chips,ts comp.) his truck is awsome....





King d and quad,


so do you think the 125 juice (which you already know im sure increases pulse width) will mess up the quad? just through out a ballpark of a % if you think it would/would not interfear with each other to much....like kyle 1300 a lot of buck for 2 things that will fight each other ...one more q , what egts would one be looking at stacking juice and quad? quad alone?





thanks Kyle

SmokinMax





What I mean is most of the fuel system was not designed to deliver this much fuel in it's stock form. Run some test on the high pressure fuel delivery under full power runs and you will see what goes wrong and what it needs to fix it. If I just gave you all the answers that wouldn't be any funhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

The injector cycle is only so big .... What's left more Timing ,danger .... Bump fuel pressure ?? Yield 20 / 30 whore ....

Are any of the big number boxes from TST or Quad touch the rail pressure ,yet ??
Eventually I know you guys will if you aren't already ... Just to push a lil more fuel in the cylinder .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Smokin,

How's the Allison treat'in ya ??

Mac

My truck makes over 500 on a dynojet with programming exhaust and a pusher pump added to the fuel system. I have made over 500 with several programs combined but the Quad box was always one of them.

King d and quad,


so do you think the 125 juice (which you already know im sure increases pulse width) will mess up the quad? just through out a ballpark of a % if you think it would/would not interfear with each other to much....like kyle 1300 a lot of buck for 2 things that will fight each other ...one more q , what egts would one be looking at stacking juice and quad? quad alone?





thanks Kyle smokin i can honestly say i have never tried the juice il try to get it on in the next couple days and see what happens,the quad it self gets pretty warm when set to 215 hp but that is to be expected,i guess al the bigg tunes really put out a fair amount of heat,i dont feel like blast of 15-30 seconds will hurt anything dunno how long a truck pull lasts but by nature of the beast i would assume the biggest chance for heat damage to arrive in a pull but then again i dont know sh*t about truck pulling,,,,when i try the stack il post...jesss

Are any of the big number boxes from TST or Quad touch the rail pressure ,yet ??
Eventually I know you guys will if you aren't already ... Just to push a lil more fuel in the cylinder .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


I was thinking about this. Has anyone stacked the duramaximizer with the big boxes? I think its basicaly a pressure box. I wonder if the increased rail pressure would help with bursting?

Kyle

A pressure box on top of the TST makes the bursting considerably worse.

I'm still running the stock fuel system without a pusher pump or any other mods to the fuel system.

tomac think your close to 500 ,,,, arent you running 215 stealth and juice...thanks


mackin


ats tranny is great hooks well...


kyle





does any one know how to change numbers on a dyno i mean if i made 438 on mustang what would that be on dyno jet? i know with out the superchips programer and my stock tranny i made 409 at shieds...(dynojet)

I'm running the 215 stealth and a non pressure VA box staced. I also have the Comp Juice but haven't run it stacked with the Stealth yet...


If I'm not over 500, I'm darn closehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Tomac





how much hp is a "non pressure VA box " supposed to give dmax?

The non pressure VA adds 20 rwhp to the Quad Stealth

Stacking will only give you 20-30 hp depending on the boxes being stacked

tomac





so will i make 500 with comp juice and stealth?

maybe, the comp juice and stealth feel very strong but so does the big VA box and the stealth

where can i get info on buying a VA box...worth the money ..?ive never really heard that much about the besides you talking about them ...let me know

smokinmax


you got any pics i wanna see the stacks, i want to do the same to my dooley.

Unfortunately the VA box I'm using isn't available anymore. By itself it puts out 200+ rwhp.

chev my brothers going to help me post some pics hes supposed to be down this weekend so ill let you know ...





tomac


what do you know about opening /closing wastegate for higher dyno numbers?

I have my wastegate flow restricted but just enough to get 30psi. I've heard others running around 40psi but I don't like pushing my luck with the turbo.

What kind of dyno?

dyno jet down here early next month ...clint cannon told me that i could do something to get higher dyno as well at shieds but i didnt purse it up there....

I can't prove it, but I think that boost much over 30 will actually lose power and you may be buying a new one if you do it very often, especially if you are doing it above 3200 RPM.

I can't prove it, but I think that boost much over 30 will actually lose power and you may be buying a new one if you do it very often, especially if you are doing it above 3200 RPM. i have actually proved on a dyno that power is ther to be had on some setups til 33-35 psi never ran any farther up the psi scale.ran sevreal dyno spins at various noost psi via wastegate valve installed .on a competition juice alone the differnce between stock boost flow and closed to 34 psi was 33 horsepower,now i wont dispute the life shortening ,because i just dont know....jess

You won't loose power with boost.

How much power will be had by increasing the boost from 24# up to lets say 30# if The 135hp Steaelth is being used?

How much power will be had by increasing the boost from 24# up to lets say 30# if The 135hp Steaelth is being used? buddy the first chip i dynoed was the hot hot juice after tyhat left waste gate alone,at the up coming dyno day i will try it out i promise and report what i find...jess

THANKS JESS!

Yeah Jess,


Let me know how that works out. i've had my banks actuator set for 28 max for quite a while. when i first did it i was pushing 34 and it sounded a bit funny... its nice to have willing test subjects..


thanks again!


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Jess,


I had an argument, OK a discussion about 2 years ago on the other forum that more boost should equal more power. As we all know it's the expansion of gasses from heat that drives our pistons, not any kind of explosion, and the more gases there is to begin with then the greater the expansion therefore the greater the power right? I had a couple of local experts that came out and said that more boost would not increase powerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif.


Many years ago while building turbo bikes we discovered that power actually fell off for us at about 24 psig, IIRC. We thought that it was because we had no intercooler and we were heating the charge air more that we were compressing it so that even though we were at higher pressures charge density was down.


Now that I'm older and wiser I find that while that may have been true it's also possible that we were operating the turbo out of it's map and had reached the point where back pressure was increasing faster than boost and that may have been why we were loosing power above a certain point. BTW we didn't have access to a dyno back then and were basing this off of 1/4 mile times and MPH. Anyway there will be a point above which we will actually lose power and I believe that it will be RPM specific. From just seat of the pants feeling on my truck it seemed to be about 30 PSIG. Not scientific I know and may be because my tranny won't let me run the higher numbers on my TST box. It stands to reason that if I could stand more fuel then I could use more air to go along with it.


Anyway the point of all this is I believe that the max power point for boost will certainly be RPM sensitive and may be sensitive to which box or stack your running. It will be interesting to know what you come up with. How high are you willing to let it go?

Jess,


I had an argument, OK a discussion about 2 years ago on the other forum that more boost should equal more power. As we all know it's the expansion of gasses from heat that drives our pistons, not any kind of explosion, and the more gases there is to begin with then the greater the expansion therefore the greater the power right? I had a couple of local experts that came out and said that more boost would not increase powerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif.


Many years ago while building turbo bikes we discovered that power actually fell off for us at about 24 psig, IIRC. We thought that it was because we had no intercooler and we were heating the charge air more that we were compressing it so that even though we were at higher pressures charge density was down.


Now that I'm older and wiser I find that while that may have been true it's also possible that we were operating the turbo out of it's map and had reached the point where back pressure was increasing faster than boost and that may have been why we were loosing power above a certain point. BTW we didn't have access to a dyno back then and were basing this off of 1/4 mile times and MPH. Anyway there will be a point above which we will actually lose power and I believe that it will be RPM specific. From just seat of the pants feeling on my truck it seemed to be about 30 PSIG. Not scientific I know and may be because my tranny won't let me run the higher numbers on my TST box. It stands to reason that if I could stand more fuel then I could use more air to go along with it.


Anyway the point of all this is I believe that the max power point for boost will certainly be RPM sensitive and may be sensitive to which box or stack your running. It will be interesting to know what you come up with. How high are you willing to let it go?


i havent really seen the rpm correlation but then again i am usually looking at other things during runs,i usually dont run my wasetgate closed on the stealth cause it pushes well over 30 psi with out help and on the dyno i ran it to 4k before letiting off,the other boxes tested had no rev limit removed so they were lett off at 33-3500.

Jess,


The Turbo of course is an air pump and has it's limits as to the amount of air that it can supply. If the boost pressure is the same and all you do is raise the RPM of the engine, then the volume of the air that the turbo has to supply is increased. Of course the volume of the exhaust gas is increased also, but you should get out of the turbo's efficiency range with less boost at higher RPM as the turbo has to supply more air volume to keep the boost constant.

What do you all mean by stacking chips? I thought when you put a chip in a truck it does what it can do and that is it? How can two chips work together to make more power?