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Well at least they will be well tested when or if we can by them .I sure would like a diesel Tahoe

Thats dumb. I would like a 4.5. Stupid GM and Stupid Europeans. :D

i know alot of people that tow boats and stuff and would love a duramax suburban. thad be the ultamate hauler of kids and tower of big stuff lol.

They should have done a Duramax Suburban all the way back at the 2001 Duramax Heavy Duty launch.

Its the Government and how much tax money is made off gasoline. Those diesel engines are good enough for Europe, with their stronger enviro laws...but they arent good enough for the USA. Makes you wonder....

Surely they could adjust fuel tax structure to get the same revenue out of less fuel consumed...

It's a combo of the oil & gas industry, EPA, historical buyer trends and momentum.

This really isn't a new thing. The manufactures have always shorted the americans on diesels. Other country's have mostly diesels.Few gassers. Just plain sucks.

This really isn't a new thing. The manufactures have always shorted the americans on diesels. Other country's have mostly diesels.Few gassers. Just plain sucks.

Amen. The big three is always talking about the cost. While it would be stiff at first once production was up the cost difference is not too bad.

For example, if you take a look at Mazda's UK site the diesel option for a Mazda5 is only about $2k US. Small van + diesel + 5speed = Winner.

...............Just consider for a minute , IF ALL mfgers in the USA offered an extensive line of diesels in all classes of cars and light trucks , getting 30 too say 60 mpg that was far and away , Better , than gas engines , Hybraids and Electric cars ! Doesn't take a genius too see how badly the sales of Hybraids and electric(s) would fall on their face . , ckfan:rolleyes:

The Euro's have a ton of cars that we need over here. Like more then half the vehicles sold their are diesel and they have great mpg's to offer unlike us. The US needs to lighten up on some public image of diesel powered vehicles which are great when used correctly.

The problem is that too many Americans think they are too good to drive a diesel. They whine about the sound, or the smell. I dont mind the sound and i like the smell :D And on top of that i can sure live with it for double the fuel mileage.

Besides that, if you dont smell your gasoline powered vehicle, then you wont smell the diesel. A gas engine has smelly exhaust just the same as diesels do. And as for the sound, turn the freakin radio up!

...............Just consider for a minute , IF ALL mfgers in the USA offered an extensive line of diesels in all classes of cars and light trucks , getting 30 too say 60 mpg that was far and away , Better , than gas engines , Hybraids and Electric cars ! Doesn't take a genius too see how badly the sales of Hybraids and electric(s) would fall on their face . , ckfan:rolleyes:

I've always felt a diesel Hybrid is the most ideal hybrid. A locomotive has a diesel to create electric drive because it doesnt break a sweat to it. Its almost the oldest hybrid in the books.

Toss a little RV sized diesel Onan generator in a Chevy volt type of vehicle and it would function more efficiently than a gas Volt! A diesels rotating mass doesnt have to work very hard. GM is missing the boat on this, use diesels in hybrids, its why we dont have gasoline powered freight trains!

I've always felt a diesel Hybrid is the most ideal hybrid. A locomotive has a diesel to create electric drive because it doesnt break a sweat to it. Its almost the oldest hybrid in the books.

Toss a little RV sized diesel Onan generator in a Chevy volt type of vehicle and it would function more efficiently than a gas Volt! A diesels rotating mass doesnt have to work very hard. GM is missing the boat on this, use diesels in hybrids, its why we dont have gasoline powered freight trains!

Not to get off topic but your avatar looks like the Going to the Sun Road, am I correct? Thats a pretty good trip from MI.

that 4.5 would be sweet!!

I would go for tax breaks on diesels and other alternative types and raise the tax on gas fired like they do in europe to help the diesels out

What would it take to import one of those vehicles here?

I've always felt a diesel Hybrid is the most ideal hybrid. A locomotive has a diesel to create electric drive because it doesnt break a sweat to it. Its almost the oldest hybrid in the books.
Technically, most diesel locomotives AREN'T Hybrids. They're merely diesel engined with electric drives, vs hydraulic transmissions (as that failed to work to. See here http://espee.railfan.net/spml4000.html ). Diesel electric locomotives do nothing to recover excess energy, even Dynamic braking, which merely converts the energy to heat. A hybrid vehicle stores excess energy for use later.

A true Hybrid locomotive

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http://www.ecomagination.com/technologies/evolution-hybrid-locomotive/

VERY interesting read about that 2.9l v-6 diesel, in a Cadillac! http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/chevy/0706dp_2008_cadillac_cts_v6_diesel/index.html

VERY interesting read about that 2.9l v-6 diesel, in a Cadillac! http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/chevy/0706dp_2008_cadillac_cts_v6_diesel/index.html

Not the best idea in a Cadillac. Good idea in a pickup/small SUV, or heck, a full size pickup or Suburban.

That would be a fun car! When will GM give up on the ancient mindset that diesel cars wont sell in the US? VW diesels hold their value well in the used market.

"To avoid the problems experienced 28 years ago when GM transformed small-block gas engines into diesels, the company decided to team up with Italy's VM Motori."

GM's problem was that they left the gasser parts in the Olds 350 diesel conversion. Cranks and headbolts caused the catastrophic problems.

A former boss of mine when I worked at GM was on that product team way way back. He grew up on a farm so he knew diesels. He fought to get them to swap the cranks on the original design. Accountants trumped that idea and they cheapened the engine as much as possible with off the shelf parts.

There was a whole host of other problems as well. It was an engineering blunder from top to bottom.

That engine single handedly ruined the future of diesels in US passenger cars. US consumers will never convert.

Yes heymccall my locomotive hybrid comment was a tongue and cheek reference. :D

You have to service diesels. 'What? You mean I have to change the oil?' stories are common for gas engines. (The goal is 100K without service. If engine oil would...)

You have to put good filters on diesel fuel. Something the domestic bean counters can't quite grasp. From the Oldsmobile 5.7 to the older Duramax engines with injector failures removes GM as simply ignorant/incompetent/too cheap as far as diesel engines and needed filters go. Only when the injectors cost GM big warranty and lawsuit money did revised fuel filters come out and you can debate as to how good those are. Misguided attempt to keep operating costs down by cheap ineffective filters.

With the low cost of fuel and lower cost of gas vs. diesel is is hard to justify the additional expense of a diesel engine in upfront cost and maintenance cost.

The deserved big black eye is that anything goes wrong with a diesel is expensive to fix or outright turns the complete engine into total scrap metal. From 5.7L Oldsmobile grenades, 6.5 injector high mile failures /or cracked blocks, and earlier Duramax injector failures ruining the engine from fuel diluted oil. Get a slug of water in your diesel engine from bad fuel. Your gas engine is way cheaper to fix in this situation.

The Jeep Liberty being plagued with electrical problems doesn't help. This leads to lack of training of diesel mechanics and Americans in general as most dealers and companies are too cheap to properly and thoroughly train employees.

Americans want point A to point B as cheap as possible without trouble or having to take time to care for it. Look around you at some of the beat all to hell small cars that get zero care from their owners.

Poor quality "unleaded" fuel gave domestic automakers a black eye when this stuff boiled out of carburetors etc as aromatics were used to keep octane levels high enough. So it isn't all the manufactures fault.

Some other diesel cars do well. Ask a older Volkswagen owner about glowplugs and expect a fight to start as you get your but kicked for even bringing that sore expensive subject up.

Only when you have a MPG focused use does the diesel start to make economic sense. In town beaters - diesel is just an extra maintenance and trouble headache.

"I can buy a lot of premium gasoline for the cost of repairs I made to my diesel!" is a relevant comment about glow plugs and the 6.2 diesel. I imagine Duramax injectors would get you the same comment. Apply this high repair cost to a sub $4000 value high mile older car and something is going to the junkyard not being fixed vs high mile older truck...

3/4 ton pickups and larger vehicles have the better advantage for diesel as the cost and use makes it worth it.

This is why diesels are hard to sell in the USA.