hey im trying to decide how i wanna lift my truck. i would either like to do a sas kit or 9-11 cognito ntbd kit with all the goodies, dual shocks, deavers and such. i know both are gonna be expensive. i have seen the pure performance and rack krawler sas kits with coilovers and oru kits with leaf springs, if i went straight axle i would wanna run the aam axle so i can retain the abs with no light. i know more is required to complete the sas kits, how much more is a full sas swap minus say the axle if i can find one gonna run compared to the cognito with all the goodies. im not gonna do much hardcore off roading but have broke plenty of cv axles in my previous trucks on the beach and stuff. any in put appreciated.

i would just go with the cognito. if i could do it all over again thats what i would do

i would just go with the cognito. if i could do it all over again thats what i would do

What makes you say that? I am considering the same lifts and I would have assumed a SAS would be better?

here are some cons of doing it

steering radius is greatly reduced

ball joints on the dodge axle wear fast, i think mine are about to go

steering set up isnt the tightest, dana 60 cross over steering would be stronger and a tighter feel on the road.

here are some cons of doing it

steering radius is greatly reduced

ball joints on the dodge axle wear fast, i think mine are about to go

steering set up isnt the tightest, dana 60 cross over steering would be stronger and a tighter feel on the road.

yeah these same things andothers have pushed me to the conclusion if i do s.a.s. it will be with the 78-79 ford hp kingpin dana 60 with tone rings machined on to retain abs and no codes! as well it will be a 4 link coilover setup not springs! oru is obviously best but rediculous $ to spend on suspension in my situation! so i will either do the xxx traction kit, or have offroad evolution make kit same as ultimate adventure z71 but for duramax!!! really want the offroad evolution setup but more $ really tempted to jus spend the extra coin n do it though!!!! love how the offroad evo setup can be done to still sit a pretty low and be ultimate in strength!! had good talk wit offroad evo owner on phone bout this!! see im wanting to stay low and be able to 4wd launch i run alotta power n plan to run alot more!

but i also am considering just keepin IFS and doing cognito non tbar drop lift to get my cv's back flat for 4wd launches! (currently leveled with oru keys, 2" rear blocks, and bilsteins) if so it will be the cognito 4-6 probly!

I would expect to lay out thousands more to do an SFA up properly due to the axle cost and steering components. With that said, how much can you afford? If your wallet isnt a problem and if you are willing to trade some ride comfort for reliability I would seriously consider SFA.

One problem with this question is that most people here dont swap from IFS lifts to SFA and pretty much knowone goes from SFA to IFS. You may have a hard time getting non biased answers. I know I am biased, I have seen what my ford buddies can do with their trucks and I have axle envy. lol

but i also am considering just keepin IFS and doing cognito non tbar drop lift to get my cv's back flat for 4wd launches! (currently leveled with oru keys, 2" rear blocks, and bilsteins) if so it will be the cognito 4-6 probly!

When you get that lift dialed in and do some 4wd launches, please have a buddy video it and we can compare notes on what breaks first. :)

I would say if youre not going to be off roading much, then do the cognito. If you will be off road quite a bit, in severe stuff, then do the SFA. Also, the ORU kit is expensive, but i hear it rides just as smooth as the IFS on our trucks. Its all about $$$$$ and what youre gonna use the truck for. Honestly, if I had the $$$$$ for it, i would do an ORU 4-link kit. But thats just me.

i look at the fords, and dodges with the SFA and i wanted one for my 93. My Truck has the 10.5 FF and 9.25 Front IFS. Now I hardly do any off-roading. I've thought long and had about the Front Axle. In the Spring/Summer I plan to do my Whole IFS over. Bushings, steering components, shocks, etc. I Think each has its pros and cons. As for Off-roading most of those Pre-Runner Desert Trucks are You-Name it.. IFS Systems. And I Know theres the saying "Its not supposed to ride like a cadillac, it's a Truck" Well yea nice point, and looking at it the SFA looks rugged, it is, but after months of thinking, A Well Tuned IFS, Yes they do make stronger, you need to look, components are alot better. I Just think and look at it this way, If Ford and Dodge Havent Updated to IFS, Shame on them. As For the Rear Axle, It better stay a SRA, Rear Axle with a Independant System would implode. The Only place that i like the SFA is For Snow Plows Because mine sags a little, but going to look into Timbrens.

I would say if youre not going to be off roading much, then do the cognito. If you will be off road quite a bit, in severe stuff, then do the SFA. Also, the ORU kit is expensive, but i hear it rides just as smooth as the IFS on our trucks. Its all about $$$$$ and what youre gonna use the truck for. Honestly, if I had the $$$$$ for it, i would do an ORU 4-link kit. But thats just me.



yeah i wont be doing to much off roading so ill prob just gon with the cognito and upgrade the stock cv axles and steering. thanks for all input

i dont have a cognito kit, im going to do a 3in Body lift with a little modifcations but Cognito makes amazing quality products, im personally going to get the pitman/idler kit from them. good luck man

anyone know where i can get a package deal with the cognito 10-12 ntbd with dual shocks, deavers and everything ill need. i usally see all the peices sep or a basic kit

Call up Norcal Nick and he'll be able to set you up

second guessing myself, i really want a straight axle so i think i wanna go with a coilover setup, i seen the rock crawler kits, how much is this gonna cut down on turning radious, and any other kits recommended or not recommended.

i honestly didnt notice my steering being affected that bad. i made my own kit4-link for the aam 9.25 and use the 08.5+ dodge factory steering.

i honestly didnt notice my steering being affected that bad. i made my own kit4-link for the aam 9.25 and use the 08.5+ dodge factory steering.

Do you have any pics of your setup? I dont see anything in your garage?

i honestly didnt notice my steering being affected that bad. i made my own kit4-link for the aam 9.25 and use the 08.5+ dodge factory steering.


yeah i wanna run the 9.25 aam as well to retain abs, u got any pics, and is ur 4wd light on.

Ya i'd go with the Cognito kit. I bought a 79 Dana 60 kingpin to put under my LMM but i'm known of not keeping my trucks for very long, last 2 trucks only a year each. So with the 10" cognito kit i can return back to stock pretty easy, with a solid axle swap you can't really go back to stock when you wanna trade the truck in. That was my main reason for the Cognito. I'd love to run around on a Dana 60 though.

im workin on pics. im goin to get some while at the mudhole this weekend. and ill post up in a new thread after the weekend.

my 4x4 light is on but i was told if i took the plug outta my diff and plugged it back in it would stay off.

Ya i'd go with the Cognito kit. I bought a 79 Dana 60 kingpin to put under my LMM but i'm known of not keeping my trucks for very long, last 2 trucks only a year each. So with the 10" cognito kit i can return back to stock pretty easy, with a solid axle swap you can't really go back to stock when you wanna trade the truck in. That was my main reason for the Cognito. I'd love to run around on a Dana 60 though.


yeah i agree with you there, i do go through trucks pretty fast as well, im only twenty but i have had about 20 vehicles, so i guess a straight axle would sell to someone whos wants that but to most prob a downer.

still think im gonna do the sas though, maybe ill be forced to keep it then, lol. but i have been looking at the rock crawlers sas coilover kit, is that a good kit or is something else recommended.

and anyone know where i can find that kit in a complete kit but around 10" or 11" with the king coilovers, rear devers, brake lines, steering arms, and everyting minus the axle

pure performance has a new long travel IFS kit out for our trucks as well, may be worth looking at.

As far as resale goes, at least two of the guys who did SAS kits are trying to sell their trucks on the forum as they appear to be unhappy with them. I believe the SAS kits are also driving their prices, as they are wanting WAY TOO MUCH and not having much luck. Savvy buyers just wont overpay for someone elses mods, unless it is something they are really looking for. a dealer will never overpay for mods........

anyone prefer a leaf spring sas over a coilover setup. and why.

guess not, anyone like the rock crawler coilover kits.

anyone prefer a leaf spring sas over a coilover setup. and why.

I would prefer a leaf for towing big tongue weights. If I wasnt going to tow I would definitly go coil over though.

thanks i dont really do much towing so i prob go for the coilovers for the ride. anyone recommend a certain kit or dislike certain kits

If you are even considering going SAS. I would definitely give Toby at XXX a call. He does some pretty awesome work. He is building me a completely custome setup. He is like the MPI of SAS conversions. Check out his website: http://www.triple-xtraction.com/axle-gallery.htm

If you are even considering going SAS. I would definitely give Toby at XXX a call. He does some pretty awesome work. He is building me a completely custome setup. He is like the MPI of SAS conversions. Check out his website: http://www.triple-xtraction.com/axle-gallery.htm

x2 his is best i've seen for dmax, and not outragious $ like oru! im dien to do his setup at 5" of lift with the 05+ superduty front axle, jus trying to save

his website looks pretty impressive but i dont see any prices, yall know a ruff guess what he charges for a sas kit coilover about 10" and i bring the axle.

nope but i'd call toby real nice guy will lay it out for ya n a package to fit your needs

yeah ill call him when i got the money dont really want to waist his time cause i aint got the money right this sec. but was trying to get a mark to save towards.

anyone with a sas should post any pics they got and info on there setup so i can compare. and if u want put the approximate cost start to finish.

Get ready to shell out some clams if you want to make this swap.

yeah i know, i got a 8 grand tax rebate comin for being a first time home buyer.

yeah i know, i got a 8 grand tax rebate comin for being a first time home buyer.

:eek:Plan on saving another 8k if your not doing the work yourself for sas.. I spent 9k+ on my 10-12 cognito with all the bells and whistles...2 years and going, living in cali, from snowy mountain tops to hot desert dunes and my daily driver work truck...Im doing the transition to sas sometime within the next year or so, I did share of research and that how I know how much dough im gonna have to dish out..

yeah im planning on doing it myself

is there a way to run the dana 60 in the front and not have abs and brake lights on.

has anyone used or heard anything about the off road direct 4 link sas kit. and is there a 4 link kit at like 11" give or take an inch, i wann a clear 39.5x18 boggers.

i made a full custom 12'' lift that is 4 linked using a AAM 9.25 and doing all the work myself it came in under 3k. http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/badbowtie169/th_newtruck002.jpg (http://s174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/badbowtie169/?action=view&current=newtruck002.jpg)
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im finally doing this soon as i get rest of parts hopefully using toby's kit if i can find the fund's his kit truely is best there is.. im staying low 6" of lift with 37's stuffed.... bought my axle today for $500 great shape 06' superduty front "super 60" they call it strong as hell

is there a way to run the dana 60 in the front and not have abs and brake lights on.
Toby at xXx can fix ABS problem too. give the guy a call. You can get a complete kit with axle and everything for under 8k.. trust me on this

Toby at xXx can fix ABS problem too. give the guy a call. You can get a complete kit with axle and everything for under 8k.. trust me on this


thanks, thats all i needed to know.

Toby at xXx can fix ABS problem too. give the guy a call. You can get a complete kit with axle and everything for under 8k.. trust me on this


how do we get conformation on this pricing?

i was told $5500.00 for the kit raw with coilovers, $4500 for the axle rebuilt and spraypainted, and an additional about $2500-3k in CV front shaft, SYE, pump-rub plate, ABS lines, ABS signal converter, PSC steeringbox work, rear leafs/u-bolts and shocks...

how do we get conformation on this pricing?

It all depends whet you want done. i bought my shocks else where. If you want "confirmation", call him tell him what you want and he will confirm it for you. My kit is a one off build. Thats what's cool about his setups. You tell him what you want, he designs it, sends you a CAD design, then you tweek it. Little by little we had a design picked out and we went with it. I don't know of one company that works like this. This is probably the main reason i went with Toby. I figure if I am dropping this kind of coin on a build, it would be nice to have it built the way I want it.. not to mention its the best design out there for Dmax.. just my buck o five:D

It all depends whet you want done. i bought my shocks else where. If you want "confirmation", call him tell him what you want and he will confirm it for you. My kit is a one off build. Thats what's cool about his setups. You tell him what you want, he designs it, sends you a CAD design, then you tweek it. Little by little we had a design picked out and we went with it. I don't know of one company that works like this. This is probably the main reason i went with Toby. I figure if I am dropping this kind of coin on a build, it would be nice to have it built the way I want it.. not to mention its the best design out there for Dmax.. just my buck o five:D

X2!!!! toby's legit

odslim - would love to see some more pics of your rig!

large1 u got any pics of your setup.