http://www.performancediesel.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=HPD&Category_Code=CTRANS

on the 2 ATS ones whut stage are they? are they the stage 4 completes?

STAGE IV
• Complete Allison w/ Triple-Pack Tranny Kit Internal Components
• TripleLok Torque Converter

STAGE V
• Complete Allison w/ ATS Internal Modifications
• ATS Electronic Co-Pilot Kit & ATS High Capacity Pan
• Triple-Pack Transmission Kit Internal Components
• TripleLok Torque Converter

I think they are the basic trannies that ATS sells.
http://www.atsdiesel.com/ATSWebsite/ProductsGM/PGTranComp.asp

Look on the column on the right, 7th & 10th down the column.

both completes, one is without co-pilot, one with

both completes, one is without co-pilot, one with
Ya, the difference of a stage 4 vs. stage 5.

The one's on that site are basic rebuilds, one with TC, the other without.