http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010/02/2011-chevrolet-silverado-heavy-duty-first-look-part-1.html

I dont give a rats ass what GM does too thier frame ,front ends etc, until they put a kingpin DANA 60 SFA in their front ends and then maybe they can compete with Ford F-450

I am with ya LW, I don't think Government Motors will ever use a SFA. Guess Ford will be getting the market for the new F450. I have always liked my truck, but now got to deal with my trany lines.

They put bigger tires on.:)

They changed the bolt pattern on the wheels.:confused::mad:

Man, I didn't notice they change the bolt pattern on the wheels. I guess you can't swap wheel with a order D/A. WOW. Thx for the info Trailerpro.

Man, I didn't notice they change the bolt pattern on the wheels. I guess you can't swap wheel with a order D/A. WOW. Thx for the info Trailerpro.

that goes to show you GM takes 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards.......why in the hell would they change the bolt pattern:confused::confused:

They did bump GVWR way up. Front GAWR is up to 6000#s and GM now authorizes a snowplow on any cab configuration with Diesel. That's nice, the front GAWR on my 3500 is only 4800#s, the dealer wouldn't put a plow on my truck when I bought it and I had to shop 3 plow installers to find one that would mount a plow on it. The frame still hangs wicked low though.

36gal standard in shortbed, nice.

that goes to show you GM takes 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards.......why in the hell would they change the bolt pattern:confused::confused:


We have made the wheel nuts for GM trucks and a lot of the cars for over 20 years, if you think that's bad wait till you see what they're paying us to develop for the cars starting in 2012. I hope they change course but......................

Still won't do anything to replace the discontinued Kodiaks. Not sure where you saw the fuel capacity? I also didn't see any Dmax specs. What is the new HP/torque rating for the engine? They say the new truck is heavier and they wanted to maintain the acceleration so they must have beefed the engine.

This is GMs announcement

http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/silveradohd.do#Downloads

They say the frame was lengthened....were those inches put in the cab space or the bed?

jeez wonder how many times this is going to get reposted.

Reg Cab 6.5 box 2WD Duramax hot rod.

I really want that new front bumper . I think it looks sooooooo much better than the lmm
.The front bumper is the only thing I have never liked about my truck.

Reg Cab 6.5 box 2WD Duramax hot rod.

where does it say you can get a DMAX reg cab short bed?!?!

edit - nvm found it :D

Still won't do anything to replace the discontinued Kodiaks. Not sure where you saw the fuel capacity? I also didn't see any Dmax specs. What is the new HP/torque rating for the engine? They say the new truck is heavier and they wanted to maintain the acceleration so they must have beefed the engine.

This is GMs announcement

http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/silveradohd.do#Downloads

From the op linked article "A new 36-gallon fuel tank extends the driving range of the 2011Silverado HD. It’s standard on long and short box versions. GM promises up to a country-crossing 680-mile range, or about 18.8 mpg."

where does it say you can get a DMAX reg cab short bed?!?!

edit - nvm found it :D


Wait a second.. You CAN or CAN NOT get a 2500 Reg Cab with a short bed? I thought Reg Cabs were long bed only?

Disappointed they are still using torsion bars on the IFS. Really wish GM would have gone to coil overs.

On the other hand the numbers look impressive across the board!

Wait a second.. You CAN or CAN NOT get a 2500 Reg Cab with a short bed? I thought Reg Cabs were long bed only?

YES. You will be able to get a regular cab SHORT BED.

But they come in 2wd only. No 4x4 reg cab/short bed.

ben

the bolt pattern change is due to the heavier capacities, just like the ford now has a different bolt pattern due to its heavier weight ratings, i would almost bet that it will be a 8 on 220 mm pattern

Thanks Ben, thats pretty bad ass! I guess a 4x4 short bed was too much to ask for right now.

What up front has changed to make it have a higher weight rating? Also, will new front end stuff be able to swap over to an older truck?

What up front has changed to make it have a higher weight rating? Also, will new front end stuff be able to swap over to an older truck?

different torsion bars, much stronger control arms, stronger frame, stronger control arm mounts, dual jounce bumpers, stronger shock towers, bigger/stronger spindles, bigger wheel bearings... think about it, they went from a 4,800lb front axle to a 6,000lb front axle...HUGE jump.

....EVERYTHING basically is different. I doubt it will retrofit onto the older frames, but I guess its worth a shot.

ben

different torsion bars, much stronger control arms, stronger frame, stronger control arm mounts, dual jounce bumpers, stronger shock towers, bigger/stronger spindles, bigger wheel bearings... think about it, they went from a 4,800lb front axle to a 6,000lb front axle...HUGE jump.

....EVERYTHING basically is different. I doubt it will retrofit onto the older frames, but I guess its worth a shot.

ben

Beeeeennnnnn.................still not better then SFA with coil overs or leaf springs......go ahead put me on blast):h

Beeeeennnnnn.................still not better then SFA with coil overs or leaf springs......go ahead put me on blast):h

:rolleyes: you must like lower FAWRs, death wobble and new ball joints

Beeeeennnnnn.................still not better then SFA with coil overs or leaf springs......go ahead put me on blast):h

When are you putting one in your truck so we can stop hearing about how unhappy you are that your truck currently doesn't have one?

I don't know about anyone else but I a little excited to see these come out. It's a shame that GM fell on hard times because I'd be interested to see what GM left out that they wanted to add.

When are you putting one in your truck so we can stop hearing about how unhappy you are that your truck currently doesn't have one?

I don't know about anyone else but I a little excited to see these come out. It's a shame that GM fell on hard times because I'd be interested to see what GM left out that they wanted to add.

I agree!!!! I would love to know myself.


As for the IFS haters, they need to move on to Ford, they'll be back in plenty of time. :D

different torsion bars, much stronger control arms, stronger frame, stronger control arm mounts, dual jounce bumpers, stronger shock towers, bigger/stronger spindles, bigger wheel bearings... think about it, they went from a 4,800lb front axle to a 6,000lb front axle...HUGE jump.

....EVERYTHING basically is different. I doubt it will retrofit onto the older frames, but I guess its worth a shot.

ben

I know that the article stated that they redesigned everything but... What about the tie-rods? They appeared a little, I mean a little, beefier then before....but....

When are you putting one in your truck so we can stop hearing about how unhappy you are that your truck currently doesn't have one?

I don't know about anyone else but I a little excited to see these come out. It's a shame that GM fell on hard times because I'd be interested to see what GM left out that they wanted to add.

Well wbens........If Ford new body style wasn't so ugly and their diesel engines wasn't JUNK i would have bought a Ford.....just ask my brother his truck has been at the dealer now for a while for warrenty work on a stock motor...........He blow the motor pulling his toy hauler, but the dmax came to the rescue

For all u guys that whine about Gm not having a solid front axle. Maybe u should check out some heavy duty Osh Kosh trucks, they seem to mostly all have independent suspension.

Those are some pretty impressive numbers! Where's the power going to sit with this LML? Why the big secret? Ha Ha Ha are they just not sure on where to set the factory tune!

Edit: Who is looking forward to adding DEF!

Edit: Who is looking forward to adding DEF!

just refill it every oil change. I really dont think its going to be as big a burden as everyone thinks it is going to be. ;)

I thought it was more like every few tanks of fuel?

I thought it was more like every few tanks of fuel?

Unless you have an XL Titan aux then it's not. The def reserves last 5,000miles.

I've posted several times about what a great job it seems GM has done with this truck so I won't go on about it again.

What I will say is i'm looking fwd to seeing the Sierra version in official pics/person. Since they're exactly the same truck (Sierra and Silverado), I pick on looks and the LMM Sierra's looked easily the best to my eyes.

However, from the official Silverado shots they've really cleaned up the front profile. From the spy shots the Sierra grille and hood plastic looks fussy so, if this remains the case in person, it'll be a Bowtie for me in 2012.

What about the HP & TQ numbers, they still hiding those?

They're having a standoff with Ford over who will announce numbers first.

They're having a standoff with Ford over who will announce numbers first.

Bet they'll be within a hair of each other. Ford's been rumored to be 390bhp 720lbs for a while. 700+ TQ is a guarantee but I wonder if both makers will give in to the temptation of beginning the bhp with a 4.

I'm more interested where peak tq is made, hopefully it remains at 1,600rpm like the LMM Dmax. The 6.4PSD needs 2k so it should be easy for Ford to better that.

When are you putting one in your truck so we can stop hearing about how unhappy you are that your truck currently doesn't have one?

I don't know about anyone else but I a little excited to see these come out. It's a shame that GM fell on hard times because I'd be interested to see what GM left out that they wanted to add.



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Bet they'll be within a hair of each other. Ford's been rumored to be 390bhp 720lbs for a while. 700+ TQ is a guarantee but I wonder if both makers will give in to the temptation of beginning the bhp with a 4.

I'm more interested where peak tq is made, hopefully it remains at 1,600rpm like the LMM Dmax. The 6.4PSD needs 2k so it should be easy for Ford to better that.

1600 has always been a key. Carrying 90% of that all the way through 3200 has also been key.

Hope that stays the same.

Only one other person so far has noticed the still wimpy tie rods? Seems they took a lot of steps in the right direction, but forgot the most important one...

Reg cab shortbed will be awesome though!! I'm sure it'll only be a few months before one gets 4x4 hardware put in it and goes straight to the dragstrip :D

just refill it every oil change. I really dont think its going to be as big a burden as everyone thinks it is going to be. ;)

I agree. Mercedes uses it I believe and any number of Heavy Truck engine manufacturers are using it or ar tooling up for it. Once the "Big Rigs" start using it, prices will drop accordingly.

If its good enough for Detroit Diesel and Cat, its good enough for me.

that goes to show you GM takes 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards.......why in the hell would they change the bolt pattern:confused::confused:



Need to go to a larger (studs further out) to handle the higher load better for durability.

just refill it every oil change. I really dont think its going to be as big a burden as everyone thinks it is going to be. ;)

Not a big deal as stated, just adds some extra cost and complexity to vehicle, most should only have to fill ever oil change. The bigger issue I fear is the cost to repair and more stuff to break down the road as the vehicle ages. Extra tank, pump, module, injector, pipes, exhaust, etc.

hate to tell you guys but no short beds with regular cabs period they changed there minds..go figure..and i read that on www.pick-up.com (http://www.pick-up.com) i believe.. and as far as hp ratings ive read on both sides there gona be around the 400 h.p. mark...needless to say chevrolet is falling behind more everyday. i really like what i read on the ford side of things..and there going to be 2500.00 cheaper than the 2010 across the board. im just trying to figure what color i want:D

hate to tell you guys but no short beds with regular cabs period they changed there minds..go figure..and i read that on www.pick-up.com (http://www.pick-up.com) i believe.. and as far as hp ratings ive read on both sides there gona be around the 400 h.p. mark...needless to say chevrolet is falling behind more everyday. i really like what i read on the ford side of things..and there going to be 2500.00 cheaper than the 2010 across the board. im just trying to figure what color i want:D


You're kidding right?? The GM trucks have been the benchmark that Ford and Dodge are trying to live up to. Now with GM raising the standard further with payload, towing, power, and economy I don't see Chevy is falling behind.

Go buy a Ford, you'll probably get to develop a nice relationship with the service department.

hate to tell you guys but no short beds with regular cabs period they changed there minds..go figure..and i read that on www.pick-up.com (http://www.pick-up.com) i believe.. and as far as hp ratings ive read on both sides there gona be around the 400 h.p. mark...needless to say chevrolet is falling behind more everyday. i really like what i read on the ford side of things..and there going to be 2500.00 cheaper than the 2010 across the board. im just trying to figure what color i want:D

What an ill thought out post. 2500 has higher towing and payload to F250, 3500 has higher towing and payload than F350 while the class-leading allison has been further beefed up.

And you think GM's fell "further behind"? :rolleyes:

yeah im kiddn but man i wish we could get a s/a and a nice truck interior package

Can you get a standard with this new rig............prob not???? :( oh well, just have to hang on to what i got.

I'll be amazed if GM EVER offers a manual tranny option again on a diesel truck.
I don't even think you can get a base model gasser 2WD with a manual tranny anymore. There just isn't enough demand. I'd be one of the few that would love one.

what's the new pattern ?? I see we still have S-10 size tie rods

Can you get a standard with this new rig............prob not???? :( oh well, just have to hang on to what i got.

I'll be amazed if GM EVER offers a manual tranny option again on a diesel truck.
I don't even think you can get a base model gasser 2WD with a manual tranny anymore. There just isn't enough demand. I'd be one of the few that would love one.

Just and FYI but Ford will no longer be offering a manual tranny after 2010 either.

I'm sure someone can correct or confirm this for me but a co worker and I were talking about how manuals are becoming a thing of the past as it seems and he brought up how much the towing rating drops when going with a manual compared to an auto. Now he is a Ford guy and showed me the numbers straight out of a F series brochure so it might be different for GM but it's still something to think about.

Just and FYI but Ford will no longer be offering a manual tranny after 2010 either.

I'm sure someone can correct or confirm this for me but a co worker and I were talking about how manuals are becoming a thing of the past as it seems and he brought up how much the towing rating drops when going with a manual compared to an auto. Now he is a Ford guy and showed me the numbers straight out of a F series brochure so it might be different for GM but it's still something to think about.

It's true.
Several years ago when GM still offered a manual tranny option, they used a detuned Dmax with lower output than the auto option.

This is actually a chicken and egg phenomenon in my mind.
Its actually a lot easier to design and build a heavy duty manual tranny; however, since there was almost zero demand for them all the R&D money went into automatic tranny development.

Ok so I got tired of looking and searching.....is their any word yet on the hp and tq ratings yet? Why is this so top secret? Maybe I havent been looking hard enough but I sure cant find anything!

Ok so I got tired of looking and searching.....is their any word yet on the hp and tq ratings yet? Why is this so top secret? Maybe I havent been looking hard enough but I sure cant find anything!

power numbers have not been released yet. GM is in a little standoff with Ford to see who will release power ratings of their new engine first...

ben

Anyone else think it would be funny if the numbers were the same between the to motors?

Ones waiting for the other to release theirs so they can tweek the ECM for 5hp/30ft lb more.

Most are saying to expect 400+ HP and 700+ torque.

I'm not sure why these numbers are in my head but I seem to remember a while back of someone saying it would be 415 HP and 750 torque.

GM shouldn't ever release power numbers. What difference does it make? Take your truck to the dyno and list your individual power numbers lol. GM should just advertise, "more HP and TQ than Ford" and just leave it at that or "whatever the competition has, we have more" lol.

Nothing like waiting til the absolute last minute. You would think even if they did bump the numbers up that would be a real pain in the azz for making up brochures, owners manuals, etc. May as well get it over with and tweak it the following year if need be.

It is dumb on both the parts of Ford and GM. Kind of insulting they think we'll buy one or the other if one has 5bhp more. Some people do, but they're people who don't work their trucks. I don't care personally, so long as peak tq is still made at 1600rpm and held through good range which I'm sure it will be.

Ah, who am I kidding, horsepower beginning with a 4 and torque beginning with a 7 would be very welcome :D

Bench Racing at it's finest.

All the improvements sound great. They are still missing the boat though for the commerical segment. It time for a 4500 pickup based chassis. All the aerial bucket trucks, tow trucks, service body trucks...mostly Fords and Dodges.

When GM sold off the 4500/5500 trucks they more than likely had to agree not to produce trucks in that market segment for 10 years.

Not sure how much market they're missing. With the 20K lb tow rating the 3500HD is rated nearly as high as an F450 was only a couple of years ago.

Not sure how much market they're missing. With the 20K lb tow rating the 3500HD is rated nearly as high as an F450 was only a couple of years ago.

Ya...no doubt, if ya need to pull more buy a rig!

Not sure how much market they're missing. With the 20K lb tow rating the 3500HD is rated nearly as high as an F450 was only a couple of years ago.

It is more about GVW than towing. The dump bodies are very heavy and it eats up a lot of your weight capacity in a hurry.

I dont give a rats ass what GM does too thier frame ,front ends etc, until they put a kingpin DANA 60 SFA in their front ends and then maybe they can compete with Ford F-450

Sure seems like you do..If your posting that.

When GM sold off the 4500/5500 trucks they more than likely had to agree not to produce trucks in that market segment for 10 years.
It was never sold off!

Hate to get off topic.........But what is the big deal bout SFA? I'm on my 3rd IFS truck and only issues I've had is a few wheel bearing. Gets kinda old hearing people complain and compare stuff that is working just fine to Turds crap. I'm glad to see GM had been improving off its existing platforms for the last 10 years and not bouncing back and forth like those two other wankers. I'd proudly take a GM HD truck and challenge them. Crap I wouldn't think twice pulling against a 450 with a 3500. JMO :D

IFS sucks for a few things, such as snow plowing. Problem is, a lot of people use hd trucks for that in this area. For all other applications IFS works great.

GM shouldn't ever release power numbers. What difference does it make? Take your truck to the dyno and list your individual power numbers lol. GM should just advertise, "more HP and TQ than Ford" and just leave it at that or "whatever the competition has, we have more" lol.

:D

IFS sucks for a few things, such as snow plowing. Problem is, a lot of people use hd trucks for that in this area. For all other applications IFS works great.

I don't have any issues having IFS. I hear so many guys say they can't by a chevy because of the IFS..."I need a Dodge or a Ford".
I run a 8'2 Boss V on my 06 Duramax, with the timbrens my front end drops 1/2". my buddys 05 F350 Powerjunk w/ a 8' straight blade drops a good 2" if not more.....his GVW is 11k+ vs. my 9,200. Both trucks are extended cab short boxes.

400hp/700tq would be nice but my LBZ with the PPE tow tune is making 450hp/800tq

I have no doubt that GM will underpower their numbers, they always do. Then next year, they will claim about 10-20 more HP and 25-40 more torque just by tweaking some computer settings in the truck.

Either GM or Ford will post 5 more HP and 5 more ft-lbs of torque just to claim they are King, when in reality, you won't notice 5 more HP or 5 more ft-lbs of torque.

I don't have any issues having IFS. I hear so many guys say they can't by a chevy because of the IFS..."I need a Dodge or a Ford".
I run a 8'2 Boss V on my 06 Duramax, with the timbrens my front end drops 1/2". my buddys 05 F350 Powerjunk w/ a 8' straight blade drops a good 2" if not more.....his GVW is 11k+ vs. my 9,200. Both trucks are extended cab short boxes.

I find that hard to believe. My 06 with Timbrens and an 8FT straight blade drops a hellova lot more than a 1/2"