"the thing about the Cummins is it'll hold more power than any Duramax...

the quickest diesel powered pickup in the world is powered by Cummins...

like I said, if you want something that you're not going to put 100k on, not going to pull heavy, and that will haul ass empty, get the Duramax.......

if you want a real truck that'll last forever AND have potential to make sick power, get the Cummins..."


Comments? Opinions?

I don't think any of us really need reply. We all know he's just compensating for something and hasn't really done any research to back up what he's saying. No need to slam him or burn him or call names, but..... he's just a little moron that doesn't know what he's talking about and someone needs to put him in his place.:lol: :muahaha:

(For those who didn't catch that, the second half was on purpose)

Cummins does not make a "real truck".

How can he make a sound judgement if he can't afford the d-max? Sounds like little man syndrome

I think he's just showing his brand loyalty feathers, like we all do at times. Seriously, I like the Cummins motor, especially the fact they don't use an EGR valve in the Dodge truck application of it; something both we and the Ford folks are hating in our diesels...

His comment about the Cummins being the quickest is soon to be a dated one. My understanding is Carl Banks chose the Dmax as his base to do his latest out-of-this-world-ungodly-powerful-diesel work on...

It is kind of a hoot that all three majors have fans that will take a motor designed to do work, and pump them up to power levels that make them unreliable... It just goes back to the old saying: to each his own...

Dont forget Dodges are in competition with Ford for the roughest riding trucks on the road award!!

There is a little truth in some of those comments.

Hold more power? What does that mean?

Quickest? Yep. If you count the dragster it's on the 6 or 7's I believe. Pickups are in the 10's.

Not going to put 100K on....? your call

Not going to pull heavy....? they all pull heavy.

Last forever....? BS

Potential to make sick power? all of them

and his followup............

"I'll go ahead and guarantee it won't hold what a Cummins will...

he chose the Duramax because the Cummins boys have been laughing at Banks for years now!

there are LOTS of Cummins that are making over 1,000hp... it just ain't gonna happen w/ a duramax...

for a guy who wants to put a programmer and a billet grill on his truck, the Duramax is great...

for a real hot rodder (or just a guy who wants a long lasting truck), the Cummins is where it's at!

I guess since he's being sponsored and funded by the General, he kinda has to use a D-Max.

isint the Duramax assembled by Isuzu? http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

http://www.duramaxdiesel.com/01_features/sub01.htm (http://www.duramaxdiesel.com/01_features/sub01.htm)

I'd MUCH rather trust a American Built and desigined Cummins, than a pos Isuzu.
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I'd MUCH rather trust a American Built and desigined Cummins, than a pos Isuzu.
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Tell him to wave his with pride :rolleyes:

Who really cares, if you have a dmax and are happy with it thats all that should matter. Sure the cummins is a great engine but look what its wrapped in. He can argue all day long that the cummins will last forever but last time I checked you cant buy new trucks without an engine to replace the turd that already fell apart. If it matters that much to you, go test drive a dodge. If you like it im sure you will get good trade in value on that dmax. Best of luck.

Dave

Tell him to wave his with pride :rolleyes:


are alot of them assembled in mexico or manufactured down there?

Hey runninhorn, Check out pacificperformance.com They take there Duramax pumped up. And run it against a dodge w/the cummins,Pumped up. WEll i wont say nothing! just check it out and see whoes A** gets stomped..... Ok i will say Its the cummins. And if you think its fake check out the other vid w/there programmer on #3 it pumps out 650 hp and 1200 ibs torque. And it still cant beat the duramax.):h ):h ):h The cummins is a good motor. but dont go running your piehole:blahblah: about the duramax, Unless you can backup some real proof.And not some :knight: that you come up with.

are alot of them assembled in mexico or manufactured down there?


The 2500/3500 Dodge Ram is built in Saltillo, Mexico.The baby Ram 1500 I believe is still built in the USA

Hey runninhorn, Check out pacificperformance.com They take there Duramax pumped up. And run it against a dodge w/the cummins,Pumped up. WEll i wont say nothing! just check it out and see whoes A** gets stomped..... Ok i will say Its the cummins. And if you think its fake check out the other vid w/there programmer on #3 it pumps out 650 hp and 1200 ibs torque. And it still cant beat the duramax.):h ):h ):h The cummins is a good motor. but dont go running your piehole:blahblah: about the duramax, Unless you can backup some real proof.And not some :knight: that you come up with.

your ragging on him like he is dogging the Duramax, read closer and you will see that he is quoting a cummins owner from another board

And if theres anything that comes out if Mexico, its quality.................. :muahaha:

[quote=04LLYGMCdmax]Hey runninhorn, Check out pacificperformance.com

OK, real nice site if you have a Honda civic. We are talking about trucks here.:offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic:

I think he's just showing his brand loyalty feathers, like we all do at times. Seriously, I like the Cummins motor, especially the fact they don't use an EGR valve in the Dodge truck application of it; something both we and the Ford folks are hating in our diesels...

The current Cummins will soon be no more... unless they have developed a way to reduce NOX emmisions without one (EGR Valve), they too, will soon have an EGR valve. Then they will have to play "catch up" with the horsepower/torque numbers of thier smog engines. ):h

The cummins is a great engine, but his comments are just overcompensating for what truck that the engine comes in!

Hey,

Lets see what happens with the new tighter emission standards. The Cummins boys have got their work cut out for them. If I were DC, I would lose the Cummins and get a better diesel powerplant, one built in house, the MBE 4000 series. Yeah, they could build a smaller version, and if they did, alot of people would forget about the old Cummins. The MBE starts way better in the cold than any Cummins will, not to mention they don't smoke like a chimney, and smell like crap once they put some milage on them. The time for a change is Cummin' :lol: and with anyluck it wont be a Cummins. That would be nice!

Just my 2 cents!!

Will

Recent Quote by a Duramax owner regarding the Cummins:

"the thing about the Duramax is it'll hold more power than any Cummins...

the quickest diesel powered pickup in the world is powered by Duramax...

like I said, if you want something that you're not going to put 100k on, not going to pull heavy, and that will haul ass empty, get the Cummins.......

if you want a real truck that'll last forever AND have potential to make sick power, get the Duramax..."

See.... it's pretty easy to say it.

Try it... it's fun!

Banks has gotten a Dodge Dakota diesel over 220 mph..but look at all the "stuff" they had to do to it...Obviously this guy is just looking for some attention...He's a chump looking for a "verbal fight"...Ignore it and it will go away". When he grows up, he should be o.k...or not

I wouldn't wish the MBE 4000 on anybody... You talk about an overengineered diesel engine that is one pain in the A$$ to work on...

There's nothing wrong with either motor.. They all have their quirks. The cummins is much easier to hop up.. Plus, people have been hopping up 6bt's for almost 20 years. The duramax is what, 5 years old?

In 5 years we have come a long way... IMO

Can't wait to see an LLY with a good CP3 and big turbo. The cummins guys are gonna be suprised. Only one more week to go.

See ya in Indy ;)

MBE 4000 Over engineered. NO WAY. The Cummins is under engineered!! And that is exactly what will end its run.... Period!! They all have their quirks, but the Cummins is in need of some serious engineering, or it wont be around much longer!! The MBE passes emissions no problem, can't say that about the Cummins!!

Will

Tell him to wave his with pride :rolleyes:


I didn't know the Cummins was made in Mexico Mac. You're a pretty smart feller :D

FYI, Cummins buys its parts from all over the world Brazil, England etc.....

"a POS Isuzu"???!?!? I was under the impression that the Japanese make some of the best diesels in the world...whats under the hood of all Kubota tractors? Not an american motor...whats in all the compact Deers's? Yup, little Yanmar's!! I work at a Simplicity tractor dealer and about a year and a half ago we sold a guy a new Simplicity Legacy XL with a Briggs & Stratton / Daihatsu 3 cylinder 27 horsepower diesel...what a great little engine!! Runs like a top. Another thing...whats in those (ugly) smaller cab-over box trucks?? Theyre all Isuzu and Mitsubishi!! Dont get me wrong, im not in ANY way knocking American products...love 'em to death...im just saying there is no backing to the guys statement of the Duramax being a POS because its designed by a Japanese company who is NO stranger to diesels. Besides, the Duramax is BUILT in the USA, correct? By DMAX LTD. if I am not mistaken. I mean the Cummins is a great engine, dont get me wrong, but its no better than mighty 'MAX!! I think the guy is ignorant and saying "well jeez theres no Duramax name in semi's, the engine must suck!". He must be one of those people that looks at Deere garden/compact utility tractors and says "WELL its green! It must be good!!" Sorry guys, im biased to that last statement seeing as I work at a Simplicity/Bobcat dealer haha. (the big Deeres are great machines, but the smaller ones <25 horse power I feel have kinda gone downhill...)

DONT MESS WITH THE 'MAX!!!
---Ben

"a POS Isuzu"???!?!? I was under the impression that the Japanese make some of the best diesels in the world...whats under the hood of all Kubota tractors? Not an american motor...whats in all the compact Deers's? Yup, little Yanmar's!!

And lets not forget about the MF compacts, they are Iseki powered. And the CNH compacts are alos Japanese diesel powered!!


I think the guy is ignorant and saying "well jeez theres no Duramax name in semi's, the engine must suck!"

Well lets talk a little more abut the AG industry. Not to many Ag tractors are Cummins powered. MF are SISU/Perkins,( the last few Cummins powered AGCO's are being switched over to SISU!! ) New Hollands are Fiat Iveco , JD are powertech, and the list goes on. I am not slamming Cummins, but see the trend here, there are better diesels out there and people are not afraid of trying , using and in the end loving them!!



DONT MESS WITH THE 'MAX!!!


Just my 2 cents.

Will

"the thing about the Cummins is it'll hold more power than any Duramax...

the quickest diesel powered pickup in the world is powered by Cummins...

like I said, if you want something that you're not going to put 100k on, not going to pull heavy, and that will haul ass empty, get the Duramax.......

if you want a real truck that'll last forever AND have potential to make sick power, get the Cummins..."


Comments? Opinions?

Fish On!!! Sounds like a lot of KTM Talk to me...........):h

I agree with Cummings author. The engine is proven, reliable and is a very old design and it is most everything you say it is. However the Dodge Truck is old , ugly and cheap looking too. I'm not trying to be a smart ass but facts are proven. Dodge is last in truck sales. Also the HD dodge trucks are made in Mexico not sure about the engine. Not very American either.

I agree with Cummings author.

The third Gen truck is not an old design. Now go check your Cummins spelling if you want anyone to respect your Dodge opinions :D

The 2500/3500 Dodge Ram is built in Saltillo, Mexico.The baby Ram 1500 I believe is still built in the USA

Mine was assembled in Saltillo but they are/have moved Cummins powered Ram assy to the states since.

I think Saltillo is within eyeshot of the US border.



General Motors operates in Mexico too...........



Ramos Arizpe—

Location- Ramos Arizpe, Mexico
Products- Buick Rendezvous, Chevrolet HHR
Year Opened- 1981
Plant Size- 259 hectares


Silao Assembly—

Location- Silao, Mexico

Products- Chevrolet Suburban, GMC Yukon XL, Cadillac Escalade EXT, Chevrolet Avalanche, Cadillac Escalade ESV
Year Opened- 1994
Plant Size- 1.2 Million sq-ft.


Toluca Assembly—

Location- Toluca, Mexico
Products- Medium-Duty Trucks
Year Opened- 1994
Plant Size- 43 hectares

Just to throw water all over the hecho in Mexico thing. About a seventy years ago the Golden Gate Bridge was largely forged and foundered in Monterrey Mexico..........:cool:

Hoot.
My point is they all have something made outside of the US, Mexico has all of the cheap labor so these car companys can make mega bucks.

I worked at a Dodge dealership for years, even got my cert. there and Dodge has always had a good engine wrapped in a pos. I don't care if you talk about the slant 6, the 318, or the 440, all great reliable engines for their time, too bad the rest of the vehicle falls apart. We have a Plymouth van that is supposed to be the best mini van made (got a good deal on it) and it is nice, the wife likes it, 3.3L engine will probably run forever but every month I have to spend a couple hun on that damn thing. Just remember this thread wouldn't even be posted if DC wasn't lucky enough to ink a deal with Cummins for engines, as well as DC wouldn't even be in existance if Iococa hadn't gone into production with the K-Car in the early 80's to save the company from extinction. They have always been too quick to redesign from the ground up with too little spent on R&D. Just when they get a design that works they change it up. You can't redesign a vehicle from the ground up and push it out the door with a competitve price tag without sacrificing something, usually R&D. JMHO you understand but it seems to be a trend.

Sitting in my driveway is a 1999 Dodge Ram (24 valve Cummins) with 271,000 miles on it. The reason it is in my driveway is because my week-old 2005 DMAX is in the garage! :ro)

I must say, I had a great run with the Cummins. The maintenance was minimal and the fuel mileage was excellent. Being that I am reimbursed mileage from my job (driving 45,000 miles per year), it was an EXCELLENT investment.

That being said, in my opinion there is absolutely NO comparison between the Silverado and Ram. When I got the price from Chevy, I took it back to Dodge and BEGGED them to meet it! I wanted to stay with Dodge very badly. However, after driving them both, I can candidly say I am VERY thankful I went with the GM. I am as happy as a retard at the Chuck E. Cheese. :grd:

This DMAX hauls some serious a**! Granted, I only have 1,000 miles on the truck and it is still new - but being as objective as I can - this truck is MUCH nicer than the Dodge. My wife has a 2002 Yukon XL and I always thought the nice ride was reserved for pricey SUV's, not the pick-ups. She says, "I told you so," and " :welcome2: home."

I have always told friends, "I bought a Cummins & they just happened to wrap a Dodge around it." I have not always been happy about that, but the truck served its purpose. Almost 300,000 miles and no signifigant complaints.

After about 100,000 miles in the seat of this Chevy, I hope I continue to sing the DMAX praises! I know (for the most part), it will be a comfortable ride getting there.

Now, if only I could figure out what to do with the "CATDODG" license plate.....

So far, the Dmax is making the most power without touching the motor. Just tuning.

That is the true test. Because if modifications are unlimited, the winner is he who has the deepest pockets. If you do not touch the injectors, pump, and turbo, the Dodge isn't much to worry about.

Longentivity? Few people keep a truck over 100,000mi. That's reality. Yes, some do, but most don't.

I will agree with MaxOD, I've owned 4 dodges. 1 Personally and 3 as service vehicles for the company I own. I have had no major engine trouble with any of the Dodges, However, If you add up all the little BS that went wrong with them you will see they are not cheap to own. REAL LIFE. EVERY Dodge that's every had my name on the title save it be one, has had transmission problems for the entire life of the vehicle after just a few years old. My goal is to get 200K out of each, and so far even the Fords have been better. Now I also have to say that one of my favorite vehicles was my 70 Charger, too bad don't still have it. That was back when the REAL hemi roamed the streets. Isuzu being involved with the Dmax was extremeley important in it's design sucess. Japan makes great enigines. I love my Kubota. Hey Bobcat repairman, Who makes the engine in the Ingersol Rand Bobcats? Those things get pounded way more than any truck. Isn't it Kubota? Japan? Hmmmm.

I get tired of the whole "my brand is better than your brand" arguments. They're pointless. This is America...drive what you like, and be happy with it.

Now, regarding the foreign vehicles: I take pride in being an American. Don't mistake that. But, I also am the first to admit that Japanese build some of the finest products in the world in my opinion.

A Toyota with a diesel would likely kick ass! There are no guarantees, but Toyota produces very few, if any, poorly designed and built products, IMO.

I didn't know the Cummins was made in Mexico Mac. You're a pretty smart feller :D


Who said Cummins? I notice you also want to talk Cars (where being built) on a truck forum to gather support.

We know where your nose is,head for that matter! :eek:

Who said Cummins? I notice you also want to talk Cars (where being built) on a truck forum to gather support.

We know where your nose is,head for that matter! :eek:

You are correct... they are all cars :lol:

I get tired of the whole "my brand is better than your brand" arguments. They're pointless. This is America...drive what you like, and be happy with it.

Now, regarding the foreign vehicles: I take pride in being an American. Don't mistake that. But, I also am the first to admit that Japanese build some of the finest products in the world in my opinion.

A Toyota with a diesel would likely kick ass! There are no guarantees, but Toyota produces very few, if any, poorly designed and built products, IMO.

Head gaskets of the 90's come time mind when spending 0.000005 seconds thinking about poorly designed products. Hmmmm, ball joints being another one.... I'm going to stop now....

If I recall correctly, GM bought the rights to the Isuzu block and Duramax Limited designed it and builds it... It is built in Moraine, Ohio.

Dan

Sorry Hoot for the incorrect spelling of (Cummins) it was past my bed time when I posted . My Bad.

The first time I saw a 5.9BT engine was in 1980. I was an employee of Cummins Mid South working in the engine rebuild shop. The shop manager told my co-workers and myself that it was a european engine designed by Iveco in Sweden. The plan for the engine back then, we were told, was for use in stationary generators. The flat tappet camshaft design and high pressure Bosch fuel system were all foreign to us, pardon the pun. A few years later, and I noticed one day that the exact same engine is now painted Cummins beige and sold as a "Cummins" engine. Whatever...

(Don't let the TDR crowd know about any of this, or their keyboard castration squad will be after me!!) :)

You must admit, the level of intensity and the amount of energy folks are willing to expend defending their purchasing decisions can be rather amusing.

BTW. I own a gas burner now, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

All of the mfgs. are in bed with some one. They all own stocks in each others companies and subsiduaries and use technology from where they can find it. The Cummins engine we know will always be one of the best engines ever fitted to a pick-up. Once the emission standards take a tighter turn and DC starts to hang their technology into the engine that could all change. Maybe another lean burn system! The Duramax seems to be a good engine as well, thankfully Isuzu had a big hand in the design of it. At only five years into production only time will tell. If GM/Bosch could come clean with the injector issue, fix the problem for once and for all, instate a recall on the injectors, a very good engine would be a great engine. Lets hope they can do it because I think they have the beginning of a winner here.

The first time I saw a 5.9BT engine was in 1980. I was an employee of Cummins Mid South working in the engine rebuild shop. The shop manager told my co-workers and myself that it was a european engine designed by Iveco in Sweden. The plan for the engine back then, we were told, was for use in stationary generators. The flat tappet camshaft design and high pressure Bosch fuel system were all foreign to us, pardon the pun. A few years later, and I noticed one day that the exact same engine is now painted Cummins beige and sold as a "Cummins" engine. Whatever...

(Don't let the TDR crowd know about any of this, or their keyboard castration squad will be after me!!) :)

You must admit, the level of intensity and the amount of energy folks are willing to expend defending their purchasing decisions can be rather amusing.

BTW. I own a gas burner now, so I don't have a dog in this fight.


What a coincidence. While out walking at lunch about a 1/2 hour ago I took a short cut through a big company's property. They have a building devoted to a fire water pump. The door was open and I could see the engine that runs the pump. Upon closer inspection, it was a Cummins V8. V-504.. the label said 116 hp at 1725 rpm and it said....

Made In England

Notice the reference to "Cummins" not Dodge!! Cummins is a great motor but like Dave said it is wrapped inside a turd. I know because I just traded in my '05 Dodge for a new Dirty!! At least GM had some input on the design of the D-Max. That CR Cummins can't even produce the numbers resembling a D-Max!! Obviously this gentelman does not have mandatory drug testing where he works!!):h

Who really cares, if you have a dmax and are happy with it thats all that should matter. Sure the cummins is a great engine but look what its wrapped in. He can argue all day long that the cummins will last forever but last time I checked you cant buy new trucks without an engine to replace the turd that already fell apart. If it matters that much to you, go test drive a dodge. If you like it im sure you will get good trade in value on that dmax. Best of luck.

Dave

Notice the reference to "Cummins" not Dodge!! Cummins is a great motor but like Dave said it is wrapped inside a turd. I know because I just traded in my '05 Dodge for a new Dirty!! At least GM had some input on the design of the D-Max. That CR Cummins can't even produce the numbers resembling a D-Max!! Obviously this gentelman does not have mandatory drug testing where he works!!):h

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Yeah I find that statement about how Cummin's cant make the numbers of a Duramax. Honestly The Cummins Motor can make as much torque and Hp and a Duramax with the same exact mods. and since the aftermarket is vast for both diesels the possibilities are endless.

Honestly The Cummins Motor can make as much torque and Hp and a Duramax with the same exact mods.

How is that I though the DMX was built stronger, and had one hell of a bottom end not that I have seen either motor tore down.

How is that I though the DMX was built stronger, and had one hell of a bottom end not that I have seen either motor tore down.


It's been grenaded. They know the limits.