: The Ultimax
LETHAL WEAPON 02-01-2010, 02:22 PM Known internally at Banks as the Super-Turbo, this (http://www.dieselpowermag.com/news/1003dp_6_6l_duramax_diesel_engine/index.html)
Over the last few years, the diesel quest for low-end torque seems to have been replaced by the bragging rights of quadruple-digit horsepower. While big power numbers are fine for selling parts and winning dyno days-torque is still what gets the job done. Almost as if to prove that point, Banks Power is now offering a series of all-new Duramax crate engines. These motors are big on horsepower, but the supercharged and turbocharged version seen here is also huge on low-end grunt. How much torque? It's rumored that this marine engine puts out 900 lb-ft from idle to 3,800 rpm!
Known internally at Banks as the Super-Turbo, this blown and twin-turbo'd 6.6L Duramax engine was built for a military-spec offshore boat. Though this LBZ-based engine was intended for use in the ocean, there's no reason one of these babies couldn't end up in the engine compartment of your next project. The rear-mounted turbos and water-cooled exhaust manifolds might need to be reworked for firewall clearance, but we want to know: Who's gonna be the first to put this in a hot rod?
* An Eaton Twin Vortices Series supercharger compresses AIR before sending it to the turbos
* A huge crank pulley was required to get the necessary speed for the supercharger to operate efficiently
* The oil pan is based on the medium-duty C4500 truck version
* Water-cooled cast-iron exhaust manifolds feed the twin turbos
* Twin turbos with water-cooled exhaust housings act like one big second-stage turbo
* The marine outdrive is mounted to an SAE 3 bellhousing from a C4500 truck
* This heat exchanger keeps sea water from circulating within the engine
* Compressed air from the turbos flows up through the center of an AIR-to-WATER intercooler, and then curves out and down toward the cylinder head intake ports
reaper05 02-01-2010, 02:28 PM Wheres the pics?
LETHAL WEAPON 02-01-2010, 02:29 PM Wheres the pics?
Working on it...
LETHAL WEAPON 02-01-2010, 02:33 PM Wheres the pics?
click on that link......this government computer wont let met copy & paste pics
mtjasper 02-01-2010, 02:48 PM Wow that's impressive! :hail:
Wonder what it sounds like? :D
JBarker-BanksPower 02-02-2010, 01:57 PM Wow that's impressive! :hail:
Wonder what it sounds like? :D
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/188img2.jpg
db9938 02-02-2010, 07:42 PM THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT SOUND.........
Sorry, had to be the first to point this out :D
timoloco 02-02-2010, 07:49 PM Damn!!!
mtjasper 02-02-2010, 08:20 PM THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT SOUND.........
Sorry, had to be the first to point this out :D
):h
I agree!
KEVINL 02-03-2010, 10:12 AM Why is the exhaust manifolds cooled
SS Crew 02-03-2010, 10:35 AM Why is the exhaust manifolds cooled
It's a marine application - it acts as a muffler and keeps the temps down from melting the fiberglass transom where the exhaust exits the boat.
fristoes05LLY 02-03-2010, 12:58 PM I wonder how hard its gonna be to convert one over to put in a truck?
fristoes05LLY 02-03-2010, 01:04 PM Was looking at banks site and found this...
SPECIFICATIONS:
Base Engine General Motors® Duramax 6600
Engine Displacement 403 in3 [6.6 L]
Number of Cylinders 8
Rated Speed 3500 rpm
Rated Power 350-550 hp [261-410 kW]
Fuel System Bosch common rail, direct injection
Engine Management Banks OttoMind®/Bosch EDC16
Aspiration Twin turbocharged, seawater after-cooled
Flywheel Housing SAE #3
Electrical System 12V
Cooling System Closed cooling, belt driven seawater pump
Exhaust System Water-cooled manifolds and risers
Turbochargers Water-cooled turbine housings
Lube Oil System Gear driven wet sump
Duty Cycle Various ratings available
sdimekasper 02-03-2010, 01:08 PM ummmmmm wow..............i want
LETHAL WEAPON 02-03-2010, 01:11 PM I see you guys like my thread.......i want somebody on this site to put that motor between the frame rails of their truck w/ pics
im more than happy to perform some "real world" testing! :D
breecher_7 02-03-2010, 01:24 PM Dual blown diesel engines are nothing new for the military. The RHIB Boats that are carried on navy aircraft carriers and amphibs have engine setups just like this. Screw type blower fed by a turbo. Interesting setup, but not fun to work on!
sdimekasper 02-03-2010, 02:03 PM Dual blown diesel engines are nothing new for the military. The RHIB Boats that are carried on navy aircraft carriers and amphibs have engine setups just like this. Screw type blower fed by a turbo. Interesting setup, but not fun to work on!
ive seen that set up on those old detriot 2 strokers.
little more then 600hp!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjroYMwDy3g&feature=related
sdimekasper 02-09-2010, 12:45 AM OH MY GOD. i just shit myself..............
mtjasper 02-09-2010, 03:33 PM I need some new pants...
Rader2146 02-10-2010, 01:41 AM Definitely not an LMM ;)
Moved to Other Performance.
Was looking at banks site and found this...
SPECIFICATIONS:
Base Engine General Motors® Duramax 6600
Engine Displacement 403 in3 [6.6 L]
Number of Cylinders 8
Rated Speed 3500 rpm
Rated Power 350-550 hp [261-410 kW]
Fuel System Bosch common rail, direct injection
Engine Management Banks OttoMind®/Bosch EDC16
Aspiration Twin turbocharged, seawater after-cooled
Flywheel Housing SAE #3
Electrical System 12V
Cooling System Closed cooling, belt driven seawater pump
Exhaust System Water-cooled manifolds and risers
Turbochargers Water-cooled turbine housings
Lube Oil System Gear driven wet sump
Duty Cycle Various ratings available
Those are some pretty impressive hp numbers! I dont know what you would do with all that power....:rolleyes:
JBarker-BanksPower 02-10-2010, 05:29 PM Those are some pretty impressive hp numbers! I dont know what you would do with all that power....:rolleyes:
I guess you overlooked this part "this marine engine puts out 900 lb-ft from idle to 3,800 rpm"
I guess you overlooked this part "this marine engine puts out 900 lb-ft from idle to 3,800 rpm"
Guess you may have overlooked PPE.
Looks like your marine motor is a pretty penny. Considering PPE makes similar numbers on there marine setup with simple upgrades
sdimekasper 02-11-2010, 12:23 AM Oh Snap!
generalwar 02-15-2010, 10:04 PM little more then 600hp!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjroYMwDy3g&feature=related
nice
brian10048 03-14-2010, 01:04 AM nice
AGREED
chevyinlinesix 03-14-2010, 01:10 AM AGREED
Also agreed :)
tonydduramax 03-16-2010, 09:30 PM A tow monstor but what kind of fuel mileage will you get?
kklonghorns 03-23-2010, 07:18 PM A tow monstor but what kind of fuel mileage will you get?
Who cares?
I guess you overlooked this part "this marine engine puts out 900 lb-ft from idle to 3,800 rpm"
Steam engines also put out massive torque at low rpm. Why don't we use them?
Cause they don't make jack for horsepower. Just like your new motor.
JBarker-BanksPower 03-30-2010, 09:06 PM Steam engines also put out massive torque at low rpm. Why don't we use them?
Cause they don't make jack for horsepower. Just like your new motor.
I guess that will just have to be your little secret then huh? The race version of this engine makes well over 1400 hp but obviously what you know about it (and marine engines in general from the stupid statement above) would cover an atom sized piece of toilet paper. Comment when you actually get a clue as to what you're talking about.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z8/cheapracer/FNN_marine2.jpg
keith_2500hd 03-30-2010, 11:01 PM jbarker is that engine going into the a hull to replace the old qst35. banks did good work on repowering them back in the late 70's to early 80's. each of those boats had 5 BBC's, with banks trademark marine twinturbo systems.
This thread wasn't on the race version.
DURAtotheMAX 03-31-2010, 02:05 AM whoptee doo, just another example of how, when you have unlimited money you can build 'really cool shit'.
Im guessing they did it mostly for attention/to draw a crowd of ooh-ers and ahh-ers because no one outside of BANKS has $100,000 to spend on an engine like this. Especially when they can buy a factory marine engine (cummins, volvo, yanmar, etc) that has a reliability reputation, parts network, ease of service etc... behind it.
If banks sells 3 of these to actual outside independant paying customers ill be impressed. But then again they can always make up something like "Oh we've already sold 20 of them.........but the people who bought them dont want anyone to know about it", and who would we be to call BANKS a liar?
yawn. next.
ben
JBarker-BanksPower 03-31-2010, 11:12 AM This thread wasn't on the race version.
Oh really? Then please enlighten us on the differences between them for us then. If your going to make comments in here like that then must actually know them right?
JBarker-BanksPower 03-31-2010, 11:16 AM whoptee doo, just another example of how, when you have unlimited money you can build 'really cool shit'.
Im guessing they did it mostly for attention/to draw a crowd of ooh-ers and ahh-ers because no one outside of BANKS has $100,000 to spend on an engine like this. (That can just be your little secret then) Especially when they can buy a factory marine engine (cummins, volvo, yanmar, etc) that has a reliability reputation (just because your duramax doesn't hold together doesn't mean the duramax is unreliable:p:), parts network, ease of service etc... behind it. (of course you can't find parts for a d-max anywhere, what were we thinking:rolleyes:)
If banks sells 3 of these to actual outside independant paying customers ill be impressed. But then again they can always make up something like "Oh we've already sold 20 of them.........but the people who bought them dont want anyone to know about it",(of course, the US Military really is nobody) and who would we be to call BANKS a liar?
yawn. next.
ben
Your jealously is showing, so ugly this early in the morning :D
DURAtotheMAX 03-31-2010, 01:03 PM Im guessing they did it mostly for attention/to draw a crowd of ooh-ers and ahh-ers because no one outside of BANKS has $100,000 to spend on an engine like this. (That can just be your little secret then)
im not following you?
Especially when they can buy a factory marine engine (cummins, volvo, yanmar, etc) that has a reliability reputation (just because your duramax doesn't hold together doesn't mean the duramax is unreliable:p:),
who says mine doesnt hold together? Last I checked you dont do anything "technical" or "engineering" related for banks, so dont try to talk to me about engine building. The duramax's Ive built hold together fine. The parts Ive chosen in the past did not, but you already knew that.
parts network, ease of service etc... behind it. (of course you can't find parts for a d-max anywhere, what were we thinking:rolleyes:)
so If I buy one of your engines and Im out at sea and your stupid fancy one-off supercharger accessory pulley loses a bearing or your exhaust manifold gets a crack, I can call up GM and order a new one? Because if I had a marine QSB5.9 and my manifold cracked I can go to any marina thats a cummins dealer and get one for less than an arm&leg.
If banks sells 3 of these to actual outside independant paying customers ill be impressed. But then again they can always make up something like "Oh we've already sold 20 of them.........but the people who bought them dont want anyone to know about it",(of course, the US Military really is nobody) and who would we be to call BANKS a liar?
You said it was built for a "MILITARY SPEC" boat, that doesnt mean the military is buying them/putting them in their boats. :rolleyes: When you guys actually get the contract for a couple hundred, then ill eat my words but until then you throwing around the "oh the military is going to buy these" doesnt mean jack.
Your jealously is showing, so ugly this early in the morning
Yeah im really jealous. I can buy off the shelf performance parts and build a dmax in my own shop with a custom built set of twins (yes, I fabricate turbo setups/piping/etc myself, and do custom one-off crap same as you guys) that will make more power than that bling'd out piece of junk.
ben
LETHAL WEAPON 03-31-2010, 01:09 PM Cant we all just get along.........Geesh):h
JBarker-BanksPower 03-31-2010, 01:34 PM Yeah im really jealous. I can buy off the shelf performance parts and build a dmax in my own shop with a custom built set of twins (yes, I fabricate turbo setups/piping/etc myself, and do custom one-off crap same as you guys) that will make more power than that bling'd out piece of junk.
ben
GREAT!:D Go out and build your marine duramax and we'll compare them:D When you find out there's far more to it feel free to let the rest of us know:rolleyes:
DURAtotheMAX 03-31-2010, 01:39 PM I never said I could go make a marine duramax. I realize there is a LOT involved in making a marinized version of any engine. I really dont think the duramax has a future as a marine powerplant. Yeah its cool, but to make it reliable enough, and to make the marine-specific parts is not cost effective in any way. What can it do better than a factory-produced/WARRANTIED/proven marine cummins?
Like I said, its a cool publicity exercise in the "why not" or "because no one else has really done it" way, but practical beyond that, NO.
keith_2500hd 03-31-2010, 09:36 PM i am curious as to the intended market for these engines, since you cited nato spec i considered ROV's for military. your torque numbers limit you to fixed shaft or arneson outdrive, but the problem with that much torque, the vessel hull will want a big hurking prop. this sounds good until you put it in a boat and can't figure out why it wont get on plan, seen this before, worked with tech that had to save engineers butt. diesels are different from gas engines when installed into a hull. i work on supply boat that goes just as fast and rides better with mercruiser 200 CMD 4.2 ltr; VMmotori(baby 5.9), boat originally had 2-200hp outboards. if you try to hook this torque to any outdrive, even superdooper ones out now it will twist them. as for setting one for installation into boat, PPE and tony burkhard have done installs and other than manifolds, parts exist to adapt engine to operate under marine conditions. i think the only concern is pistons and once pat gets some to survive, that should be choice for initial install, more than likely a monotherm piston. most people have no idea that boat engine is under load when clutched in and that when in an automotive applications the engine is not under similar load at all times, truck towing with load is close.
SteveFord 04-05-2010, 11:42 PM Rumor has it here in town someone is building a dmax powered boat. It's going to be in The Lake Of The Ozarks and is shooting for 160+mph:eek:. I'll keep updates if possible.
Tony Burkhard 04-06-2010, 12:13 AM i am curious as to the intended market for these engines, since you cited nato spec i considered ROV's for military. your torque numbers limit you to fixed shaft or arneson outdrive, but the problem with that much torque, the vessel hull will want a big hurking prop. this sounds good until you put it in a boat and can't figure out why it wont get on plan, seen this before, worked with tech that had to save engineers butt. diesels are different from gas engines when installed into a hull. i work on supply boat that goes just as fast and rides better with mercruiser 200 CMD 4.2 ltr; VMmotori(baby 5.9), boat originally had 2-200hp outboards. if you try to hook this torque to any outdrive, even superdooper ones out now it will twist them. as for setting one for installation into boat, PPE and tony burkhard have done installs and other than manifolds, parts exist to adapt engine to operate under marine conditions. i think the only concern is pistons and once pat gets some to survive, that should be choice for initial install, more than likely a monotherm piston. most people have no idea that boat engine is under load when clutched in and that when in an automotive applications the engine is not under similar load at all times, truck towing with load is close.
One of my project boat builds smoked the gear box in 30 minutes, the same gear box that last forever with any blown big block.
DIRTYMAX 2007 05-01-2010, 06:33 PM Im sorry but banks is just overated, by the way what ever happened to the duramax road race truck that banks bragged so much about.
50slut 05-05-2010, 12:33 PM One of my project boat builds smoked the gear box in 30 minutes, the same gear box that last forever with any blown big block.
"durastruction" :eek:
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