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mowerbrad
01-29-2010, 08:48 PM
I've been looking for a duramax to replace my 6.5 diesel and think I might have found one, so long it is still available. It's an '04 GMC duramax 2500 crew cab. It has 260,000 miles on it, fully loaded, leather, 4x4....the dealership is asking $18988. I'm not sure what engine is in it, the vin is 1GTHK23234F193429, so if anyone can help me out with what generation it has that would be great too. I pretty much just need to know if the miles are too high, if the price is good and what engine is in it. Thanks for your help.

callie454
01-29-2010, 08:55 PM
It's a LLY-8th VIN digit=2, and it's ridiculously overpriced. Next...

carter_44
01-29-2010, 08:56 PM
miles wouldnt bother. my 03 has 210K and still runs great. however, that price is way too high. i got the 03 for $9500 less than a year ago. for around $20K you should be looking at a low mile lbz.

mowerbrad
01-29-2010, 09:33 PM
I have yet to call the dealership and discuss anything with them. I just found the truck tonight, so I'll be calling them tomorrow. My biggest concern is the high miles now? I know that these duramax's will go for 400k-500k with proper maintenance, but I want to make sure this truck will last me another 10 years and me not having to dump $3000 in repairs every year.

Here is the link to the ad... http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ctd/1575009351.html

If I like this truck I am going to try and get that price down to under $15000 out the door.

freezeout
01-29-2010, 10:18 PM
I bought a 2005 crew cab with 66,000 a year and a half ago from a dealer for 18,000 but I have to admit I got a real good deal. Good luck on your search.

skleppy
01-29-2010, 11:18 PM
15K...try under ten. With that amount of miles on it even if it is meticulously maintained things are going to either be worn out or start wearing out and then out comes the wallet. You can find more truck for the same money. The mileage could be a typo to, send them an email and find out.

mowerbrad
01-29-2010, 11:27 PM
I'll be giving the dealer a call tomorrow and see what I can find out. Cosmetically, the truck doesn't look like it has that amount of miles on it, especially being from michigan. But who knows what everything else looks like.

jlawles2
01-30-2010, 12:29 AM
Saw an 04.5 LLY for sale in NC for 15800.

http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20541

gumper800
01-30-2010, 02:03 AM
I wouldn't worry about the miles if everything feels tight. I think 15 otd would be a ok deal. You can't find a decent shape dmax for less than that.

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 10:13 AM
I wouldn't worry about the miles if everything feels tight. I think 15 otd would be a ok deal. You can't find a decent shape dmax for less than that.

Its supposed to be in pretty good shape, but since I haven't driven it, I can't tell you for sure how it will drive/handle. If I do decide to buy this truck, it will be going into my own mechanic to have it checked over thoroughly and make sure everything is in good working order and no problems.

JD hauler
01-30-2010, 10:41 AM
if you know someone in the shop have them pull the history, not a carfax, that is usually useless, it will tell what all was done by the dealer, you will be able to get a feel of what it saw, also that price is too much for it with those miles, but you might be able to compromise out a nice warranty , then its worth it and you will have more confidence in the truck should somthing go wrong.

sensiba74
01-30-2010, 12:37 PM
I would wait for a better deal. It took me about 2 months of waiting and looking and I got mine (see sig. below) with 34000 miles for $18500. Granted I got a great deal, but you could to if your patient. Check the paper and local online classifieds. It WILL pay off

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 01:12 PM
I called the dealer this morning and asked them about the truck. It was used to tow a trailer on the highway most of the time. The owner shoed horses for a living so he just towed a gooseneck trailer all over the area (mostly highway) from job to job. Though I may try and get the price down and see what they will sell it for.

rustback
01-30-2010, 01:15 PM
I wouldn't worry about the miles if everything feels tight. I think 15 otd would be a ok deal. You can't find a decent shape dmax for less than that.

I wouldn't pay more then 12000 for that truck. It looks very nice, however you can buy that same truck with 80,000 miles on it for $18000

chevyduramax2500hd
01-30-2010, 02:00 PM
I've been looking for a duramax to replace my 6.5 diesel and think I might have found one, so long it is still available. It's an '04 GMC duramax 2500 crew cab. It has 260,000 miles on it, fully loaded, leather, 4x4....the dealership is asking $18988. I'm not sure what engine is in it, the vin is 1GTHK23234F193429, so if anyone can help me out with what generation it has that would be great too. I pretty much just need to know if the miles are too high, if the price is good and what engine is in it. Thanks for your help.

The easiest thing to do is go to www.kbb.com (http://www.kbb.com) which is the Kelley Blue Book website and enter all of your info there to find out what you should pay for it. It can list out trade-in value, private party value, suggested retail value and certified pre-owned value. This way you know what it is worth and you won't get screwed by a dealer or private party seller. It took me about 2 months to find my truck from a private party and I know how bad you probably want that one. But there will be the right one for the right price and right miles if you are patient. Good luck on your search.;)

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 02:32 PM
I was on KBB's website last night and found that the price from the dealer seems about right. Trade in value is about $12,500 and retail value is about $20,000. NADA prices seem to be about the same. But to me they all seem high on the prices.

Its a nice truck, usually I wouldn't worry about the miles so much if it only had 200k on it, but its well past that. This truck is EXACTLY what I am looking for, except it has some pretty high miles on it. I'm very picky about what truck I buy, it has to have certain features on it or I won't buy it.

Here is what I am looking for in the truck.....2002 or newer, crew cab, short box, 4x4, power everything, center console between front seats (5 passenger cab), leather is preferred (not manditory though), must have push button 4x4 engagment, and have the tow/haul mode.

skleppy
01-30-2010, 03:23 PM
If you're looking for a truck, you should make it 2004.5 or newer. 01 - 04 have the injectors that you always have to worry about. Each generation of duramax has its own issues but if you have to fork out for a set of injectors every X miles, thats gets expensive after a while.

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 04:59 PM
I'm not totally opposed to have the LB7 engine, even though they have the injector problems. But that is not my first choice of the dmax generations. I'm shooting for the LLY, since that seems to have minimal problems, get good fuel economy and still lasts quite a while. I've been hoping to find a truck that has under 200k on it for a good price.

eds04max
01-30-2010, 05:34 PM
mowerbrad, checkout this ad # at Auto Trader. This is the truck in my sig.
AT-1042DA35 All my info is there. That red truck in Mi. looks good, for sure. Feel free to call me. 704-791-0268.
Ed.

eds04max
01-30-2010, 05:36 PM
I just realized that truck is in my sig on the 'other' site. Auto Trader will get you there.

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 06:06 PM
mowerbrad, checkout this ad # at Auto Trader. This is the truck in my sig.
AT-1042DA35 All my info is there. That red truck in Mi. looks good, for sure. Feel free to call me. 704-791-0268.
Ed.

Do you have a link to the truck, for some reason I can't find it using the ad number? If I can take a look at it, I might be pretty interested in it.

carter_44
01-30-2010, 06:10 PM
I wouldn't worry about the miles if everything feels tight. I think 15 otd would be a ok deal. You can't find a decent shape dmax for less than that.
yes you can.

around my area i can find lbzs with under 100K fully loaded for around $20k. for an lb7 with those miles you should never pay more than 10K. that is just my opinion quoting from my experience with truck dealings in az.

eds04max
01-30-2010, 06:14 PM
Brad, go to Auto trader web-site, click on "find cars for sale" at top of page, then click on the blue high-lighted "find by AT car ID". You can then enter the ID # I gave you.(AT-1042DA35).

eds04max
01-30-2010, 06:22 PM
carter_44, don't want to start anything here, but any 04' or newer "flagship" G.M. Duramax in top condition with high miles(over 200K) will book for 21K+ Retail. Clean trade-in will be 18K+, I think. (CTI is roughly what Car-Max would buy it for). Not to many of us would sell our truck to Car-Max.
The $10K buy's you speak-of ARE out there............but not in top condition. If they are.........I'm coming to Arizona to buy a truck!!!:D

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Brad, go to Auto trader web-site, click on "find cars for sale" at top of page, then click on the blue high-lighted "find by AT car ID". You can then enter the ID # I gave you.(AT-1042DA35).

I don't know how I missed that before?! Thanks.

Have you had any injector problems with it or do you fore see any injector issues in the near future.

eds04max
01-30-2010, 06:32 PM
Injectors are in great shape. I would not sell it unless it was ready. Any truck I own gets repaired immediatly and correctly. There are no issues with the truck.

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 07:16 PM
I may be giving you a call tomorrow or later in the week (depending on when I have time). But I do have a few questions first before I pursue this any farther....

1) When were the injectors replaced (if they were) and would they need to be replaced again over the life of the truck?

2) What are you getting for fuel economy (both city and highway)?

3) Are you the first owner?

4) Do you have the service records for the vehicle?

5) Has the vehicle has any body work done or been in an accident?

eds04max
01-30-2010, 07:42 PM
I'm the second owner.........I've had it long enough to get everything check-out and road-tested for about 4K miles. The original owner traded it in to his local GM dealership where I bought it. I picked it up the day after, so they didn't even get a chance to wash it! It was a 'clean-up' project. I ran a GM inquiry and it didn't show that the injectors had ever been replaced?? They are good, so I havn't touched them.
I get 17 mpg just knocking-around town. I havn't had it on a good road trip yet, but may be heading to Conn. this week?
I don't have any records from previos owner, but do have mine.
The truck had a wrinkle in the drivers side rear quater (at the 4x4 sticker) and I had that professionally repaired. (Looks great!) $450 worth.

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 08:01 PM
The only thing that has me a little concerned it that the injectors have never been replaced. Those LB7 engines are notorious for their injector problems and I just don't want to have to replace the injectors in another 10k miles, thats kind of what I am trying to avoid. I'll have to give it some thought as the truck is definately one that I may be very interested in.

eds04max
01-30-2010, 08:06 PM
My truck is LLY (04.5').

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 08:24 PM
I thought it was an LB7....in that case though, since it is the LLY, I will probably be giving you a call tomorrow or within the next couple days. I'll have to see how much it would be to have it brought up here as I'm really not feeling a drive down the NC.

Is there any time of the day that works best for you when I call?

gumper800
01-30-2010, 08:48 PM
carter_44, don't want to start anything here, but any 04' or newer "flagship" G.M. Duramax in top condition with high miles(over 200K) will book for 21K+ Retail. Clean trade-in will be 18K+, I think. (CTI is roughly what Car-Max would buy it for). Not to many of us would sell our truck to Car-Max.
The $10K buy's you speak-of ARE out there............but not in top condition. If they are.........I'm coming to Arizona to buy a truck!!!:D

exactly what i was thinkin!! where is this 10k truck that's loaded in good shape?!?! I'll take it!!

eds04max
01-30-2010, 09:20 PM
Brad, I'm guessing here, but if your in Michigan, I beleive we can ship a truck on a car-carrier for about $750.
I was considering moving mine that way to Burkhards. I ended-up towing it myself.
I'm free enough that I could deliver it to you myself for less than that. Probly just the cost of fuel........maybe $450 or-so. Maybe less than that if I do this other trip I'm working on?? I'm pretty flexible!:D.
You can call me anytime 7:00am to 11:00 pm.

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 10:13 PM
I'll try and give you a call tomorrow sometime, at least get as much info about the truck as I can. I'll probably then be talking with my mechanics this week about the truck and see what they say, just so I have some reassurance about the truck.

magnetic
01-30-2010, 10:20 PM
If it helps I just bought a 2004 LLY last week optioned exactly like the red GMC you linked to. I paid $10,900 for it with 223,000+ miles and the more I drive it the more I like it. Today I changed the oil and replaced the fuel and air filter for peace of mind. I'll probably do all the gear boxes and tranny when I get time just so I have a baseline for when I know all the fluids were changed. Runs and drives great, biggest nag is it was a one owner vehicle and was smoked in for what smells like all those miles. I'm going to replace the headliner and maybe the carpet to get rid of some of the smell.

mowerbrad
01-30-2010, 10:28 PM
This makes me feel a little better that someone is having a good experience with a high miles dmax.

I've got a few people to call just to make sure these high miles trucks are okay. I don't want to get in something that is going to cost me more money than it should.

magnetic
01-30-2010, 10:32 PM
Got my fingers crossed I don't run into a huge repair myself. ;)
This site was a great resource for me while i was shopping and even more so now that I've got a truck. I've always had new vehicles and I actually enjoying getting my hands a little dirtier and fixing it up the way I want it with this one.

gumper800
01-30-2010, 11:20 PM
i never did tell ya brad, my 05 has 201k on it. drives like new

carter_44
01-31-2010, 03:43 AM
carter_44, don't want to start anything here, but any 04' or newer "flagship" G.M. Duramax in top condition with high miles(over 200K) will book for 21K+ Retail. Clean trade-in will be 18K+, I think. (CTI is roughly what Car-Max would buy it for). Not to many of us would sell our truck to Car-Max.
The $10K buy's you speak-of ARE out there............but not in top condition. If they are.........I'm coming to Arizona to buy a truck!!!:D
no offense taken. this is just my experience. the 03 in my sig had 190k on it when i bought it with every option available for that year and i paid $9500 cash private party. i have seen a couple other lb7s with under 200K loaded up for under $10K around here. they can be hard to dig up but they are here. lbzs with under 100K can be had for around $20K in the phx as area if you shop...and these are leather, pwr everything 4x4 trucks.

gumper800
01-31-2010, 10:20 AM
Carter- your sig is mint!!

Brad, IMO i see spending 15 or so on a LLY with 200+ on it much better off than spending 20+ on any Dmax with less than say 120k. If you think about it you could have a lot of brand new 0 mile parts installed for the 5-10 grand you save!! $5,000 worth of performance accesories would be sweet!! Mine is a 200+ truck, but it drives like new, and you wouldn't have a clue it had that many on it til you look on the dash.

mowerbrad
01-31-2010, 11:03 AM
I feel much more comfortable buying an LLY with miles, than an LB7 with miles. The LLY engine seems to have minimal issues with it, which makes me feel better. I'd like to get another 100k+ out of the truck before having to do any major repairs. I'm really good at keeping my vehicles on a good maintenance schedule, if that helps any.

RayK
01-31-2010, 11:51 AM
I agree. I would pay more to get an LLY to avoid the injector hassle and expense. That must be a 2004.5.

Around here, that truck would sell for that price. 05's (nice) with average miles are going for 22-28k.

Get 3k off the price and be happy.

mowerbrad
01-31-2010, 12:01 PM
I'll be calling "eds04max", probably later today, and talk to him about his truck he has for sale. It is exactly what I'm looking for and more. The miles have me a little concerned, but I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem, especially once I talk with my mechanics, I'm sure they'll reassure me about the truck and miiles. I've only been looking for a truck for about a month but have been thinking about it for several months. I want to make sure that I get a truck that will last me and be relatively trouble free.

I drive my current truck about 8000 miles a year, I think the new truck may be driven about 10k-12k a year at the most.

And yes, every truck now that I look at will have the LLY engine.

RayK
01-31-2010, 01:15 PM
I've had a 91, 95, 98, 2001 K1500's and they were OK trucks with gas engines. My 2005 LLY I still really like a lot. That's unusual for me. Best truck I've owned and we use it to haul stuff and tow beside my daily driver.

I think you will love your truck when you get it.

mowerbrad
01-31-2010, 01:54 PM
I'm not a big fan of my current 6.5L diesel in my 98 GMC. It doesn't help that the truck is just a single cab either, but still, with only 133k on the truck and its begun costing me quite a bit every year to keep. I spent $4000+ last year on my truck, and $2000+ the year before that, just on repair costs.

So I'm hoping that the LLY engine I'm leaning towards will be a much better engine and not cost so much to keep. I've driven an LB7 before and it was MUCH better than my 6.5, so I think I will be very happy with a LLY, even with high miles.

mowerbrad
01-31-2010, 10:09 PM
How many of you guys would feel comfortable buying a truck with 260k on it, seeing that it is a duramax LLY engine that was well taken care of?

gumper800
01-31-2010, 10:11 PM
How many of you guys would feel comfortable buying a truck with 260k on it, seeing that it is a duramax LLY engine that was well taken care of?

my hand is raised

carter_44
01-31-2010, 11:49 PM
x2

JC1843
02-01-2010, 10:11 AM
The high mileage is one thing. It will require more maintenance than a lower mileage vehicle, But they want a premium price for it.

231samuel
02-01-2010, 10:43 AM
i bought my truck from them a year ago... 2005 with 92,000 miles on it and i paid $21k ish for it... also go somewhere else don't give them your business... you'll find that 3 months after you buy it and they SAID they took care of everything for you, that the loan company charged ya $4,000 more for full coverage insurance even though you've already transferred it to the new truck when it was bought... Betten is a VERY shady dealer and i personally will never buy another vehicle from them again! offer them $10k and say that they are ridiculous if they don't take it.

mowerbrad
02-01-2010, 11:59 AM
I really don't think that I am going to be buying from them. I did call about the truck the other day to see what I could find out about it. They sound pretty firm on the asking price of $19k. On top of the asking price I would need to put a little work into it to finish it up (ie, repair hole in bed where gooseneck hitch used to be and put in line-x in the bed). So I'd be looking at close to another $1k by the time I put all the work into it. So when it'd be all said and done, I'd be spending $20k+ buying the truck and "finishing" it.

I think if I end up going the route of a high mileage truck like this, I will be buying from one of the previous posters on here, ed. I talked to him yesterday about the truck that he has for sale and it sounds like that one would be a better choice for me. I've been hoping to buy a truck from the south so the body and frame aren't has "beaten up" as they would be in a truck from around here in Michigan. And if it is a high mileage truck, I'm looking for one that was driven lots of highway miles, which is how Ed's truck was used.

I have to talk to a few people today about the high miles on the truck(s), if they reasure me that the truck would probably be okay, I may end up going for it. I first need to do as much research as possible to make sure that I am going to be happy with the "new to me" truck. I have to look at every aspect of the truck and make sure it will suit me just fine. After looking over everything, I figure I will be driving about 10k a year at the most, so I won't be putting too many miles on the truck every year. However, I also don't want to have to do any major repairs on the truck after having it for only 2 years, as that is what I am trying to avoid after having my current truck.

I'm trying to keep my budget to around $15k, so its tough to find a truck like I want for that amount of money and with lower miles. I have searched all the surrounding states to me, but no luck. I've been looking for about a month now, so I've gone through enough trucks and talked to enough people to know exactly what I what I want. My only problem is that with my budget of about $15k, its hard to find a truck with lower miles. So it seems like high mileage trucks are about it for me, unless I step down and get an ext. cab truck. But I don't want to change what I want.

mowerbrad
02-01-2010, 03:51 PM
Well, I made my phone calls today and stopped by to talk to a few people today. I found out some pretty good information and will be recieving some more info in another couple days. But from the people that I have talked to they all seem to think that the 04 chevy is a good truck. I feel pretty comfortable with the '04 chevy, it seems to have everything I want and then some and also seems to have been pretty well taken care of. I'm now waiting for some reports to come back on it so I can know as much about its history. Then it will just be a matter of making sure that this is the truck I want for sure.

If anyone has anymore opinions on buying a truck with 260k on it, let me know....I'm still needing as much info as possible.

skleppy
02-01-2010, 06:04 PM
Don't forget, in 04 there are two Duramax engines. Look at the VIN if you can't see it in person. If it reads like this 1GTXX104AB12345 then thats the 04 you don't want. Same VIN but a two instead of the one, thats the 04 you want.

mowerbrad
02-01-2010, 06:09 PM
I am making sure that the vin does match the engine I want. I'm shooting for a LLY or newer.