Traded the LB7 for a toyota today.

Couldn't deal withthe problems anymore.

One after another (injectors, FPR, high repair, oil leaks, pump rub...ect

Poor/ok gas mileage.....averaged 16 mpg

Fit finish quality ok

Never owned GM before this truck.....

Love the idea of a diesel - wish they were built better!

Thanks for everybodies help.....I'll own another someday..perhaps the quality has improved.



Traded a 2001 crew cab duramax 89000 miles

nope!

love her more every day has 176k right now

Best vehicle I have ever owned

never would leave my lb7....best engine out there in my opinion....ive had some problems but all trucks are man made and are not perfect

I would agree, I have 108k on mine now, pretty sure it needs injectors just haven't had time to look.
I also did my research before I bought it so I knew about most problems. Still bought it, still wouldn't trade it.
Same for my 96. It's had it's problems but I still won't get rid of it. Both have done everything I have asked of them.

Even now my 96 is just a dd, other then Ford or Dodge nobody makes a truck 3/4 or 1 ton that is of any use to me. Still think my truck is the better of the 3 and will keep it till it falls apart.

sold a toyota p/u to get mine, used money for d/p. will never own a toy ever again, talk about a money pit!!!!!!

i'm not tired of it and probably never will be. i may get tired of the shortbed one day, but that is the only complaint i have. i figured it would be easier for my wife to manuever, or i would have got a long bed.

I did plenty of research prior to my purchase. I knew all the downfalls of every brand. EGR issues, trans and interior issues with the others had me in a GM. At least they warrantee the biggest issue they had.

I drive long trips hauling a big trailer FOR FUN, so I wanted enough truck to handle the task yet I wanted a better ride. That is exactly what I have. Love this one and plan on keeping it for another 180k miles or more.

I'd rather own a gas 5.9L dodge gas, 5.4L Ford or a 5.3L/6.0L/8.1L chevy and get approx14mpg city and 18mpg(if I'm lucky highway) and get 8-10mpg pulling 10k+

Instead I made the bad decision buying a LB7 and getting 16+mpg city. 20mpg highway. And 15mpg pulling 8k from south dakota to kentucky, with no downshifting and reving to 4k rpm for hills.

Sorry it didn't work out for you but I love my truck and am willing to put up with injectors failing and other small issues that come up. Oh and I don't have all that emission crap either, no cat no problem.

210K and still hauling ass with no problems.

I love my LB7 more and more every time I tow heavy with a gas motor. The 12 valves that used to reside in my garage weren't too bad at pulling stuff either;) They just weren't a truck I like to drive.

I've owned a few Toyotas in the past, and they have been great rigs. Put them through hell and all they ask for is a fillup every now and then. Just not the vehicle I want. The wife's Expedition will likely be replaced by an LX470 when the time comes, though, but we don't need 3 tow rigs.

Love my LB7, would never give her up!! Sorry about you troubles, but there always some out there that have more problems than others.

Ive owned two. No real major issues with either one, other than mistakes I did to it myself. Sorry to hear of your problems. Good luck in the future.

I traded my first one off, thinking I was making a good decision and trying to save money on fuel. Needless to say 1/2 tons dont cut it. This lasted two weeks and I was back into another duramax, my current lb7 :). My wife and I both own LB7's and will never go back. Sorry to hear about your decision.

Bought mine 3 1/2 years ago with just over 100k on it, and have not had to do a thing to it. Regular maintenance and fuel filters is all because I run bio and get my store bought fuel from a station that is 11-20% bio depending on the weather. Would not trade this truck for a brand new anything.

had mine over 2 years now replaced injectors, rear axle seals, pump rub, etc.. and am happier with it every time i get in and drive it. I will never own a different Make or Model.

I don't think you could give me a gas powered truck after owning a diesel... Sure, the LB7's have their problems, but they are arguably the best base platform of a duramax. Those engines have endless possibilities.

lb7 or nothing

I was a little pissed that my injectors and head gaskets went out, But hey thats when you get in there and make her better. Diesel or BUST !

I'm really contemplating trading in my 01 with 131K. Not complaining about what I have to do to her in the past, but I can't get past the injector issues (replaced at 59K, now have lopy idle, vacuum fuel leak with no end in sight)

I just found a 2006 LLY 3500 SRW with only 54K on it and it's got a Long Bed! Might be time to get rid of the old girl for something newer....just don't want the the debt :(

I hope you don't discover all the recalls the Tundra has. I'm happy with my LB7 at 74,000 miles. But even more than that I could not sell my country out at any price. That's just me and it's afree country.

I hope you don't discover all the recalls the Tundra has. I'm happy with my LB7 at 74,000 miles. But even more than that I could not sell my country out at any price. That's just me and it's afree country.
very good point. domestic or nothing for me.

love my LB7 :D. i have low miles and i drive my truck hard a lot and never have broke a thing because of the way i drive it.

150K miles on mine still going strong. 1 set of injectors that GM paid for. I do need an FPRV but I live with it. The only problems I have are ones I have caused. I will drive mine until the wheels fall off and then I will put them back on and keep driving it.... Toyota's were nice but to expensive... The only spark plugs I am going to have are in my 69 VW... I love diesel... Even my 69 VW might end up with a TDI.....

Not a chance that i would go back to a gas truck. Especially a Toyota!!!!! NEVER!!!

Great truck.403,000 KM and still a fantastic truck.Went thru the injector thing under warranty ,have replaced water pump,nsbu ,housing on the transfer case and alternator. Nothing more than reg lube/oil/fluids and filters.

1969K and I have always owned American made, except for the time I served in Okinawa, I owned a Toyota, but that was because I could not get a GM overr there, the good thing was I drove a GM while at work, a Crewcab Long bed Chevy, an old 88 model gas burner!

I did as others did and researched it extensively, knowing what I was getting into and the cost. Its an investment; so far my return has been greater then my initial investment. If you want 0 problems buy new, other then that expect to do repairs and maintenance...my .02...

The comparison is flawed. The question he should have asked should have been how many have gone back to a gas 3/4 or 1 ton. Otherwise the question means "how many have gone to a different class of vehicle because they don't like the LB7?" If you need a HD truck...then you gotta have one and can't really switch classes of vehicles.

Other than that...my only choice for a motor vehicle will always be one of three choices. HD2500, Ram2500 or F250. Hopefully one of those can be reliable. Cause I can't afford my forth choice...a Ferrari!! :)

And for this....If you want 0 problems buy new

Some of the most disgusted people I've ever seen got that way over new vehicles. The only thing you can say about new is that the cost of the repair itself is "usually" zero for a while. Downtime, lost work, vehicle rental, ruined vacations, stress and general feelings of helplessness have a cost. The problems are definately still there.

The comparison is flawed. The question he should have asked should have been how many have gone back to a gas 3/4 or 1 ton. Otherwise the question means "how many have gone to a different class of vehicle because they don't like the LB7?" If you need a HD truck...then you gotta have one and can't really switch classes of vehicles.

Other than that...my only choice for a motor vehicle will always be one of three choices. HD2500, Ram2500 or F250. Hopefully one of those can be reliable. Cause I can't afford my forth choice...a Ferrari!! :)

And for this....

Some of the most disgusted people I've ever seen got that way over new vehicles. The only thing you can say about new is that the cost of the repair itself is "usually" zero for a while. Downtime, lost work, vehicle rental, ruined vacations, stress and general feelings of helplessness have a cost. The problems are definately still there.

Hum...I was wondering if that should have been rephrased differently and figured I'd get some flack for using "0", but wow that was a fast flaming! lol But whatever....what he said......
:sorrysign

BrynBailey has got 2 Komatsu tractors in his avatar.

Komatsu is the "tundra" of tractors.

This should start a fire storm :D

BrynBailey has got 2 Komatsu tractors in his avatar.

Komatsu is the "tundra" of tractors.

This should start a fire storm :D

:wtf:....I'm confused...:confused:
The truck is a 775D Cat btw not a Crapatsu....

Interesting you bring this up b/c I was asking myself the same question driving today as I'm about to shell out money to replace the injector(s) in the next week or two.

Realized I really like my truck and the only way I would get rid of it would be if fuel price became too unbearable worse than the last time they went insane.

Good luck with your new truck. I liked my '01 Tundra but out grew it due to business.

Lawguil, Sorry about your luck. Just like anything though, if you don't check it out properly you could get someone else's problem. Of course there is also going to be the odd lemon out there, but that goes for any manufacturer. To expect no problems from anything mechanical is unrealistic. I think it is safe to say you will find that the majority of the Duramax owners out there are quite happy with their trucks both in quality and durability. My LB7 is here to stay. Love it more everyday!

Like my LB7 so much I'm keeping it though I now tow with the LMM.

Whenever I hear about the problems people have with their truck, I wonder whether it is the owner or the truck. How can one person have so much trouble with a car/truck while others seemingly are spared. I constantly am intrigued with trying to figure out what may have contributed to the problems, for instance:
a. When changing fuel filters, do you prefill the filter or prime until firm
b. Do you buy AC Delco fuel filters or other?
c. Do you drive short distances and shut down?
d. Do you start it up and let it idle?
e. Do you drive fast when cold?
f. Do you buy good diessel fuel?
g. Additives, air filters, mods, fuel levels before filling tank etc

The questions are rhetorical of course and no answer is needed, but somewhere there must be some common thread that those who have escaped problems have done differently than those that have had nothing but problems. JMHO

Whenever I hear about the problems people have with their truck, I wonder whether it is the owner or the truck. How can one person have so much trouble with a car/truck while others seemingly are spared. I constantly am intrigued with trying to figure out what may have contributed to the problems, for instance:
a. When changing fuel filters, do you prefill the filter or prime until firm
b. Do you buy AC Delco fuel filters or other?
c. Do you drive short distances and shut down?
d. Do you start it up and let it idle?
e. Do you drive fast when cold?
f. Do you buy good diessel fuel?
g. Additives, air filters, mods, fuel levels before filling tank etc

The questions are rhetorical of course and no answer is needed, but somewhere there must be some common thread that those who have escaped problems have done differently than those that have had nothing but problems. JMHO

I completely agree. Some people just don't understand what it takes to be happy. Everything you listed here is quite a bit for someone who expects to just jump in their vehicle and head down the road.

In my case, I treat my 01 almost better than my wife (I said almost:D), but with still have a note on it, I may just move into the 06 which has a better chance at surviving with minimal issues rather than keeping my fingers crossed on my squirters. To tough of a decision for me....gonna take me a few more weeks to decide.....BUT NO WAY WOULD I GET INTO A GAS YOTA!!

If I change, it will be right back into a Duramax:D

Traded the LB7 for a toyota today.

Couldn't deal withthe problems anymore.

One after another (injectors, FPR, high repair, oil leaks, pump rub...ect

Poor/ok gas mileage.....averaged 16 mpg

Fit finish quality ok

Never owned GM before this truck.....

Love the idea of a diesel - wish they were built better!

Thanks for everybodies help.....I'll own another someday..perhaps the quality has improved.



Traded a 2001 crew cab duramax 89000 miles


Well we will have to wait for you to post about your Yota when it hits 89000miles.......

BrynBaily...I didn't mean to flame you...or even so fast. I didn't even look to see when you posted the comment you made. I was just pointing out something I've preached to my buddies who always buy new every 3 years because they "don't want any problems". I wasn't trying to be "nasty".

repairs are pretty expensive...part of the joy I guess

nope Love it

love Mine, would only trade for a dually . I get great MPGs 14/23 and a 1/2 ton anything wouldnt pull My 14k camper as well.

I see toyota just recalled 2.3 milllion cars and trucks today. Said the gas pedal have been sticking. Looks like there not built as well as some think. I will stick lb7.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34981335/?GT1=43001

very good point. domestic or nothing for me.


x2 Never have had a problem yet. I have had 2 minor recalls.One was for the gaskets around the cab lights and the other was for the tailgate cables. That's it. It is maintained and I use the proper parts and fuel.

Did you run a Carfax on it?

Said there was like 7 or 8 people killed because of this problem with the gas pedal stiking. One car throttle suck and it got up to 126 before it crashed and killed 4 people. Every car or truck has there own issues

In 1 year & being the third owner with 135K miles and a clean car fax report, I've had to replace both front wheel bearing hub assemblies, water pump, fan clutch, receiver hitch, Allison to transfer case adapter housing, u-joints, NSBU, Ignition switch, idler & pitman, both batteries, and to top it off my injectors are on there way out. Parts wear out & some issues were my fault, but the way I look at it is I've gotten to know my truck. I do feel a little picked on though. Hey, I'm unlucky. Best truck I've ever owned and I don't plan on selling it. I would never buy a Toyota.

bought my 02' LB7 new and still have it. Love it. Best truck I've ownws in awhile. A few problems(injectors). But no vehicle is perfect......certainly not a toyota....................cheers:driver:

very good point. domestic or nothing for me.

Not to start an arugment:) but at least toyota is build factorys in the us while gm is going to mexico and canda an yes i know its cause of the damn unions wanting outragous wages and benifits and our stupid goverment regulations but still toyoata is employing americans. Our own goverment sold us out more then anyone just my opinion though:rolleyes:

But no i would never trade my lb7 for a gasser of any brand. If i go new i will unfourntanetly have to buy a ford as there the only privatly owned american vehicle producer left thats domestic i wont support GM(goverment motors) i will still buy used gm diesels never new though

Not to start an arugment:) but at least toyota is build factorys in the us while gm is going to mexico and canda an yes i know its cause of the damn unions wanting outragous wages and benifits and our stupid goverment regulations but still toyoata is employing americans. Our own goverment sold us out more then anyone just my opinion though:rolleyes:

But no i would never trade my lb7 for a gasser of any brand. If i go new i will unfourntanetly have to buy a ford as there the only privatly owned american vehicle producer left thats domestic i wont support GM(goverment motors) i will still buy used gm diesels never new though

I agree,not to start an arguement,but while it might employ some Americans all the profits made here go back to the home land.One reason they build them here is to save money on tariffs too.

Thanks for the posts

Sounds like a lot of brand loyalty on this page.....obviously this is a GM forum

I do like my toy though

I'll own another diesel someday.

I just had a bad experience......lost about 8k in 2 months on the darn thing

Worst truck i've ever owned

I've owned a few toyotas adn they just keep going with no problems

in two months with a chevy i spend more than I ever spent on my 4 toyotas combined.

I know everybody has their stories

thanks for everybodies help

you guys diagnosed more of my problems

Said there was like 7 or 8 people killed because of this problem with the gas pedal stiking. One car throttle suck and it got up to 126 before it crashed and killed 4 people. Every car or truck has there own issues


if your throttle sticks and you cannot find a reasonable way to overide it or bring the vehicle to a stop you are a dolt and deserve to die anyway




edit: to soon ?

if your throttle sticks and you cannot find a reasonable way to overide it or bring the vehicle to a stop you are a dolt and deserve to die anyway




edit: to soon ?

What if it sticks as you approach an intersection with the light red? There isn't always time to react quickly, especially if you panic. Its really not as stupid as you are trying to make it seem.
And no I would never have a Toyota...

What if it sticks as you approach an intersection with the light red? There isn't always time to react quickly, especially if you panic. Its really not as stupid as you are trying to make it seem.
And no I would never have a Toyota...


ok i see your valid point so lets break it down to this specific scenario

they were going 126 mph at time of crash

im sorry but that sounds like a too funny dave chapelle skit if he was still doing his show

I would agree why not go to nuetral and blow the engine. Cheap piece of junk anyway.
To many people can't drive now. 100 plus and can't stop. That's just stupid. I would let my Dmax run at 7k RPM and throw all 8 pistons thru the hood before that ever happened.

At any rate I would agree, while their are plants/factories whatever you want to call them in the US, the moajority of the money still goes oversea's.
The way I explain it, they are built overseas and put together here. Although even ours have parts from oversea's, but most of the money stay's here.

I have only owned American and will only own American.
I would also agree with the recalls on Toyota, and they have alway's had frame issues. Like I said before just cheap high reving junk to me. For all their comercial's about how great they are and how they can tow 10k. I have also seen some going down the road trying to tow. Can hold speed worth a damn. 10k pulling and you can barely go up a hill? Where is the 3/4 and 1 ton. Oh yeah they don't make one, cause their 1/2 ton just has a big body and engine to look capable now.

I'll stick with my GM, then if it comes to it Ford, then Dodge.
But hey if you want some oversea's junk, what can I say?

BrynBaily...I didn't mean to flame you...or even so fast. I didn't even look to see when you posted the comment you made. I was just pointing out something I've preached to my buddies who always buy new every 3 years because they "don't want any problems". I wasn't trying to be "nasty".
Yeah, I know a few of those people too!
The newest vehicles in our fleet are LB7's that tow equipment and trailers day in and out with no major problems other then the basic steering/suspension and normal ware parts. Mine just hit 160K with the original injectors :eek: and it may be a ticking time bomb but it's bone stock and never had a programmer on it. I would like to, but I think it may be "the straw that breaks the camels back" at this point. When the injectors go, "its on like Donkey Kong" as far as mods go! :ro)
I've herd my share of horror stories of trucks that have been rigged together and hacked up, sold at 10 different auctions lot to lot. I believe 80% of the life of your truck strongly depends on previous owners and how they took care of their rig. The other 10 is what you do when you get it and how you maintain it.

lol good luck with the purchase:

as my user name says: GM only
http://jalopnik.com/5412206/toyota-recalls-110000-tundra-pickups-for-frame-corrosion
http://jalopnik.com/5232946/toyota-truck-owners-clamoring-for-recall-over-dangerously-rusted-frames

Hard to say what happen could of just been some young kids that didn't know what to do. Wouldn't take much to confuse or freak out teenager or sombody that doesn't drive alot




if your throttle sticks and you cannot find a reasonable way to overide it or bring the vehicle to a stop you are a dolt and deserve to die anyway




edit: to soon ?

I'm going the opposite way...selling my toyotas looking for a Duramax. Not that any of the 5 toyota trucks I have had were anything less than perfectly reliable, I just want to step up to a 3/4 ton. All these toyota haters must have owned nothing but the new style Tundras with all the problems I've heard. 185k on my last 3.4 V6 and changed nothing on the truck except fluids and consumables, 1 alternator, timing belt+water pump, and 2 batteries. No joke.

I've owned two Toyotas over the years, first was an 87 4x4 with 4cyl. Great truck.
2nd was a 1991 4x4 with 6cyl and automatic. Biggest piece of crap ever. Terrible mileage and rebuilt tranny twice and engine once.
I had a 4x4 ranger, great little truck.
96 4x4 cummins, great truck, manual tranny cheaper to operate per mile than the toyota 4 cyl.

My current truck is 2003 Duramax, other than injectors it's a great rig. Not as off roadable as the dodge.

I wouldn't consider my self a "Toyota hater", I think they are a nice vehicle, and I'm sure they are reliable for your average Joe who hauls mulch and hay on the weekend; but just can hold up to the abuse we dish out. Two contractors of ours were driving them and it seemed the rear ends were going out in them every other week.

I've owned two Toyotas over the years, first was an 87 4x4 with 4cyl. Great truck.

We had an old 80' 4x4 Toyota, those were fun trucks for off roading/mudding! Most of them had no sheet metal due to rotting out but they took a good beating till the frames rusted through heh....

Hard to say what happen could of just been some young kids that didn't know what to do. Wouldn't take much to confuse or freak out teenager or sombody that doesn't drive alot



If it is a Manual trans, just press in the clutch, like motorcycles, we teach that the clutch is actually the control of what makes it go and go faster if needed, wanna stop, squeeze the clutch.

Now the Auto, if a person cannot think to go to Neutral in an emergency, then they should not be driving. If approaching an intersection, I would think the brakes will eventually out power the engine, unless they were doing the dumb teenager thing and going twice the legal speed to begin with.

Just watch the dang floor mats, Mine move around all the time, and I find myself moving them back into the right position when entering the vehicle, well I guess I just use alittle common sense.


That is lacking these days, although Mass. showed they have alittle left!

Its amazing now a days how the younger generation is lacking in common sense. My little brother is a senior in high school and it is amazing how dumb some of his friends are.



If it is a Manual trans, just press in the clutch, like motorcycles, we teach that the clutch is actually the control of what makes it go and go faster if needed, wanna stop, squeeze the clutch.

Now the Auto, if a person cannot think to go to Neutral in an emergency, then they should not be driving. If approaching an intersection, I would think the brakes will eventually out power the engine, unless they were doing the dumb teenager thing and going twice the legal speed to begin with.

Just watch the dang floor mats, Mine move around all the time, and I find myself moving them back into the right position when entering the vehicle, well I guess I just use alittle common sense.


That is lacking these days, although Mass. showed they have alittle left!

Here is a link to what really happen when the 4 people died with the throttle sticking. Its as a Lexus es 350. The driver was acually a high way patrol officer. Killed his wife,daughter and one other person. Said his wife called 911 when the throttle stuck. Pretty sad. It was a loner car while his was getting fixed.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Toyota-Orders-Inspection-Of-Lexus-Floormats-After-Tragic-Crash-Kills-Family-Of-Four-47986/

Here is a link to what really happen when the 4 people died with the throttle sticking. Its as a Lexus es 350. The driver was acually a high way patrol officer. Killed his wife,daughter and one other person. Said his wife called 911 when the throttle stuck. Pretty sad. It was a loner car while his was getting fixed.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Toyota-Orders-Inspection-Of-Lexus-Floormats-After-Tragic-Crash-Kills-Family-Of-Four-47986/


The driver of the Lexus (Officer Saylor) was a veteran CHP officer and skilled driver. The "over engineered" Lexus killed him. There was no key to turn the engine off. The computer in the car would not allow him to shift to neutral. The lexus also has a feature that reduces power to the brakes when the throttle is wide open, so the brakes could not overcome the HP of the car. Listen to the 911 call from the back seat of the car, it is heartbreaking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHGSWs4uJzY

There are dozens of fatalities related to this stuck throttle issue in many of the Toyota models and hundreds collisions. Toyota and the NTSB has been blaming driver error for these crashes for years and Toyota has been lying and covering this problem up.

Yup, Just what everyone needs, a car to think for them till it kills them.

It is a tragedy, and I see a Lawsuit in this, I know if it were my family I would sue the crap outta them, but come on, how much do you need the car to think stupidly for you till it kills you?

I think I will stay with a key, and like stated above, reajust my floor mats............

But the audio does now make it suspisous to me what the true cause of the accident was. How can anyone say it was a floor mat, with the drive by wire like our truks, it could have been the computer going haywire and causing it all, along with the traction control, Anti skid brakes, and other gadgets that sell the high end cars of today.

Just another thought from a guy who has picked up pieces from an airline crash before and worked side by side with the investigator.

Thats is terribly sad. Like a nightmare that would wake you up sweating in the middle of the night. Except it was reality for them. Terrible.

If this was a GM product....they CEO would be up on front of Congress and get fired the next day. Toyota meanwhile....well they are just so reliable and such great cars! I still know people who think its 1982 when it comes to Toyota/Honda versus the American brands. Such wonderful cars!

After the Toyota recall/Factory shutdown/Suspend sales til further notice tells me I am not to far off.

Either it is a Harness/ECM/Toyota issue I do not know, but it is something serious!

Anybody driven a Toyota lately?

I drove a Hyundai Elantra rental for a few hours. ):h Don't ask...

I drove a Hyundai Elantra rental for a few hours. ):h Don't ask...


Don't tell me you are trading the Dmax in!:D

No!!! When I had to have it towed to the dealer awhile back (We were on vacation), I needed a rental to get me to our other two vehicles and got the cheapest thing on the lot.

And I see by your post that the floor mats did not kill you, and by the news that they have not shut down production nor ordered thier sales lots to quit selling the cars.

I hope your truck is running well!

Thanks Tolliwacker! Did you ever block your egr or are you like me and deal with the stupid light?

When I did the throttle blade mod on my 2002 GMC 4.3, I didn't clean all the gunk out of my throttle body. I was driving down a state park road going 20mph and my rpms went up to 3500rpms. Scared the crap out of me, but I did put it in neutral and set the parking brake. Had to pop the hood and manually close the throttle. Cleaned the throttle body and never happened again.

Atleast the truck is not drive by wire and has a throttle cable. And it was from something that I did, not a defect. I would rather be able to manually close the throttle, than hope a computer would do it.

I am still running stock....only replaced water pump, alt, and idler pulley, and injectors. Had a front alignment yesterday and it is still factory stock....still tight including the front hubs and was slightly out out .......Need new injectors again but as long as I get 150k out of them I will keep running this truck.

Still got the light, I can't get MaxinDixon to come this far South to fix me up, and I can't keep Obama outta my pocket and spreading my money around long enough to save the 800 bucks for my own EFI Live, so for now............CEL, Heck I LOVE IT I would miss it if it wern't there, I read at night by the glow of that lovely yellow engine shaped light.



Jones, as many miles as you drive you will get those miles quick!

And I was not to far off, it appears it is defective pedal assemblies, I just knew it was NOT floor mats, and I bet it might go a bit deeper than just the pedal............

Still got the light, I can't get MaxinDixon to come this far South to fix me up, and I can't keep Obama outta my pocket and spreading my money around long enough to save the 800 bucks for my own EFI Live, so for now............CEL, Heck I LOVE IT I would miss it if it wern't there, I read at night by the glow of that lovely yellow engine shaped light.
It is kinda purdy, isn't it? :D

And the Plot thickens for Toyota..........Scret black boxes that they will not release info to the consumer or lawyers, man this is looking very BAD for Toyota!

I just can't imagine the money its going to cost them.

111k on mine and i love it also injectors were replaced the same week i bought it...only problems were my fault went running through flood water on a sand bar and didnt know the dipstick tube for the tranny was broke.... needless to say sand is not a trannys best friend...after the tranny upgrade i destroyed my rear diff luckly didnt hurt the housing...other than that she still runs like a champ and wont ever get rid of it

And the Plot thickens for Toyota..........Secret black boxes that they will not release info to the consumer or lawyers, man this is looking very BAD for Toyota!
They are screwing the people and making it pretty obvious that they are trying to do a coverup.

Traded the LB7 for a toyota today.

Couldn't deal withthe problems anymore.

One after another (injectors, FPR, high repair, oil leaks, pump rub...ect

Poor/ok gas mileage.....averaged 16 mpg

Fit finish quality ok

Never owned GM before this truck.....

Love the idea of a diesel - wish they were built better!

Thanks for everybodies help.....I'll own another someday..perhaps the quality has improved.



Traded a 2001 crew cab duramax 89000 miles

if you don't mind me asking, since you got such shitty mileage with your LB7, what are you getting with your toyta?

I work for a toyota owned company and drive a Diesel Chevy ):h . 'nuff said.

if you don't mind me asking, since you got such shitty mileage with your LB7, what are you getting with your toyta?
Yeah, a Silverado 5.3 V8 gets better gas mileage than a Tundra V6.

Since the subject is up. I was wondering how many people are planning on keeping their trucks and just keep fixing them. I have 170,000 on mine and thinking ill just keep fixing as they break cause you can always put better parts in right? Like upgrade trans when stock one goes. Etc.Etc. I mean for a new truck your looking at least a $500 month payment. My truck is paid off and it makes since o spend a couple grand a year to UPGRADE parts when they go out. Get around 350,000 miles and then get a new one.
Any thoughts

A Toyota? Ouch. I will never get rid of my truck I'm proud to drive American / Canadian

Since the subject is up. I was wondering how many people are planning on keeping their trucks and just keep fixing them. I have 170,000 on mine and thinking ill just keep fixing as they break cause you can always put better parts in right? Like upgrade trans when stock one goes. Etc.Etc. I mean for a new truck your looking at least a $500 month payment. My truck is paid off and it makes since o spend a couple grand a year to UPGRADE parts when they go out. Get around 350,000 miles and then get a new one.
Any thoughts

Couldn't agree anymore.... mine is paid off. Rather than a new truck payment, just fix the one i have. 200k on the old girl, usual shit. GM replaced the injectors for me, have done the ball joints, pitman arm, idler arm, water pump, thermostat, alternator... but for running big tires, leveling kit, lift pump, HOT +2 boost increase valve, I would say that the stock drive train has held up well. No plans to sell her anytime soon!!!:D

Just hit 164K on mine...made the decision to keep it 'til it dies. Got a new paint job last week:D and I'm still putting her back together. Hope it last a while!!!

if you don't mind me asking, since you got such shitty mileage with your LB7, what are you getting with your toyta?


That is something we would all like to know....especia;lly at WOT which it sounds as is that is where they like to run all the time:eek:

That is something we would all like to know....especia;lly at WOT which it sounds as is that is where they like to run all the time:eek:

:funnypost AHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sure someone had to have posted it by now, but I'd rather have my lb7 than trade it for a toyota throttle that's gonna stick and turn me into a kamakaze on four wheels

My step mother has a Toyota, and as she was pulling into the car port last year in Ohio, she hit the gas instead of the brake, or so we thought, and of course, drove thru the end of the car port. Most of her family and all of our family felt she was too old to drive at 88 years old. That was before the recalls. Now I must admit that the accident could have, may have, might have been, who the hell knows if it was a stuck throttle, but we just thought it was operator error. HMMMMM

I am in the process of tearing mine back down again to do injectors, but the thought of getting rid of it has never crossed my mind. I love my truck, just have to deal with the knowing you will need to do replace injectors at some time or another.

Good luck with you Toyota:beerchug:

You just have to remember that there is not a perfect vehicle made, they all have their own unique quirks

thats no joke if you ever find one thats perfect let me know but untill then ill keep my LB7 till the day she dies, if i have to replace parts ill do it till it cant be fixed anymore

Trading it off did cross my mind when I had to shell out the bux for the 3rd set of injectors myself. Never had any other trouble with this truck and yeah, I'll keep it.

Until the others build a truck capable of safely towing a gooseneck, I'll stick with mine, even then I would be concerned with any of the foreign builders. Lots of news our about Toyota's issues now and it doesn't look like it is getting any better. The GMs have the best ride for my application and I am quite familiar with the issues they have. Most have been DIY fixes.

yeah.....toyotas are much better quality than GM's.................:lol:

Until the others build a truck capable of safely towing a gooseneck, I'll stick with mine, even then I would be concerned with any of the foreign builders. Lots of news our about Toyota's issues now and it doesn't look like it is getting any better. The GMs have the best ride for my application and I am quite familiar with the issues they have. Most have been DIY fixes.
I have towed with ford and dodge and of course with my LB7. They all do an excellent job towing a load. The '99 Dodge cummins I have does a great job although I found the stock rear spring setup rather weak and the engine in its stock configuration is under powered...had a banks stinger plus to help that out. This truck is still running strong with 250K on the clock. However, hands down, the LB7 is most comfortable in the towing. I used to haul dairy cattle to market and with 8 full grown milk cows in the gooseneck, ya didn't even know you were towing a load. Hauling cattle is not like towing a travel trailer. Cattle are always moving around and can really test the stability of your equipment. My vote for towing a gooseneck is my GMC.

Yep, I was referring to Nissan/Toyota with the "capable" comment. I did test drive the Ford and Dodge before buying my GMC but the ride is what sold me on the GM.

probably won't cost toyota too much.

it's only 7 million or so cars.

the part probably only cost them 150 dollars to make, and the tech can do the change in about an hour and a half. i figure they probably pay about 70 dollars an hour for warranty work, so about 100 dollars or so per for warranty.

150+105= $255 per car. $255 X 7,000,000= $1,785,000,000

i don't actually know what the part cost to engineer, manufacture, and ship to the dealers. i suspect i'm being kind. i don't know what Toyota pays for warranty work or how they pay it. i suspect there are dealer employees on this forum who are better able to guess.

then this from the Wall Street Journal:

Toyota also appeared to leave open the possibility that anyone who bought a vehicle in the five days between Jan. 21, when it announced the recall of 2.3 million vehicles, and when it stopped selling those models this week could return the car. It said it would “work with customers who have concerns about their vehicles on a case-by-case basis.”

not to mention competing auto makers offering a $1,000 bonus to those trading in a Toyota.

(for the record i'm a union steamfitter from Detroit, so i think it's obvious where my loyalties reside)

Yup, Just what everyone needs, a car to think for them till it kills them.

It is a tragedy, and I see a Lawsuit in this, I know if it were my family I would sue the crap outta them, but come on, how much do you need the car to think stupidly for you till it kills you?

I think I will stay with a key, and like stated above, reajust my floor mats............

But the audio does now make it suspisous to me what the true cause of the accident was. How can anyone say it was a floor mat, with the drive by wire like our truks, it could have been the computer going haywire and causing it all, along with the traction control, Anti skid brakes, and other gadgets that sell the high end cars of today.

Just another thought from a guy who has picked up pieces from an airline crash before and worked side by side with the investigator.


This was something I posted back on Jan 25th.

Starting to look more like what is happening and going haywire with the Japanese brand........Not to say I am right, but it apprears I am not to far off!

They are now saying it is an electronics issue, and one womans testimony on capital hill she said the car accerated and the cruise light came on and all she could do was drive the car into the guardrail to attempt to stop it so she unselfishly would not kill anyone else.

Man I am glad to own a non Toyota product right now...........

So I'm not one to talk down on people and their decisions, but that just seemed like a dumb question. If I bought a diesel in the first place, I must have needed it for certain reasons. Why would I trade in for a different class truck that wouldn't accomodate those reasons? Does the foriegn market even offer a diesel p/u yet? Either way, no, I would not ever trade in for a foriegn vehicle. To add to that, I love my LB7 enough to not want another truck regardless of the problems that I might have. At this point the only vehicle that interests me would be the Kodiak 4x4 with the truck bed on it (that would be a long ways away though). I agree with a lot of these posts, like all vehicles have their problems and know what you're getting into beforehand!

here in canada they import the Toyota diesel PU and SUV (like a 4-Runner) called a Hi-Lux. they are right-hand drive and all. i helped a fellow put his motor back in after he spun a bearing in it. it's a little tiny thing-- like 3 liters. he was in bad shape as it was his only mode of transportation, but i don't know what was so endearing about these things. especially since it failed and created an oil starved condition which spun the bearing.

i think they import them used but i don't really know the deal aside from that. he was choked when i called his little 3 litre motor 'adorable'.

Best truck I've ever owned. Had a few issues, most covered by warranty. Love it!