Does anyone own this chip. This thing is absolutely ridiculous, you could probably fry an ats or suncoast tranny with this chip. It raises rev limit to 4,500. I bet the engine wouldnt last to long with this chip. Anyone know anything, about it or own one?

330 additional hp could be a :badidea: for a stock engine would would be soooooooooo sick:ro)

Peanutgrwr has one. you might want to try to pm him

Mine has not blown up yet):h I even stack on top of it.

It is my daily driver tune.;)

Does anyone own this chip. This thing is absolutely ridiculous, you could probably fry an ats or suncoast tranny with this chip. It raises rev limit to 4,500. I bet the engine wouldnt last to long with this chip. Anyone know anything, about it or own one?

330 additional hp could be a :badidea: for a stock engine would would be soooooooooo sick:ro)

Look @ the fine print, that is FLYWHEEL HP.

Makes a big difference.

I ran one at the track...........it runs good stand alone..........did not try a stack..........but never the less it felt flat on the top end to me.........although there was another truck there runing it with spray and he went 12.90's .

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It's probably closer to 200rwhp, if you're looking to compare it to other power adders. Definitely enough to fry a stock or lightly built tranny, however there's a couple other options that put out slightly more power on #2. Those I've spoken to at the track were pretty happy with it overall.

Doug

I ran one at the track...........it runs good stand alone..........did not try a stack..........but never the less it felt flat on the top end to me.........although there was another truck there runing it with spray and he went 12.90's .

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12.90's on spray??? Seems kinda slow:confused: I'm there on fuel at a shade over 6800#'s. What times did you run with it compared to your TTS?

He ran about 1or 2 tenths slower with the PPE.

I've tried almost everything out there, besides the TTS Xtreme the PPE Hot is my second choice.

What is the "hottest" Chip? Best times??

TTS extreme..............................by itself 12.54 @ 106.08mph on my truck

TTS Etreme, I have'nt got to the track with the Extreme yet, but I did go 700HP 1385 and better torque repeatedly on the dyno with TTS, propane and a really small NOS jet (I left my jets home):o: I'll have track numbers in two weeks for all different configurations.

TTS extreme..............................by itself 12.54 @ 106.08mph on my truck


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I only got to 13.8 at 100 mph

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I want your truck :D

Dragon your truck weighs 1650lbs. more than his. :eek: You better strip that fat bottom if you want to get those times.

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I only got to 13.8 at 100 mph

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I want your truck :D
The 100 mph shows the potential! Put her on a mild diet, and come out of the hole a little better, and you shoud easily see low 13`s, high 12`s.

12.93 @108 With Spray For Me :)

Dragon your truck weighs 1650lbs. more than his. :eek: You better strip that fat bottom if you want to get those times.


But I like a little meat on the bottom :D at least that's what I tell my wife :eek:

The 100 mph shows the potential! Put her on a mild diet, and come out of the hole a little better, and you shoud easily see low 13`s, high 12`s.


Ya I keep telling her to go on a diet, but then she tells me the same thing :lol:

12.74 with the bastard stack so far....working on going faster.

The PPE Hot Xcellerator did very well for me truckpulling tonight. After running it on the street for a few weeks I decided to try it hooked to the sled and it got me my first win of the season.

If PPE's Hot Xcellerator puts out 330 horses at the flywheel (which should be about 250 at the rear wheels if you reduce it by 25%), and according to TTS's website, their Xtreme puts out 200, it seems that PPE should have the edge on performance, unless I'm missing something. Am I? Are those the right numbers for the TTS unit?

If PPE's Hot Xcellerator puts out 330 horses at the flywheel (which should be about 250 at the rear wheels if you reduce it by 25%), and according to TTS's website, their Xtreme puts out 200, it seems that PPE should have the edge on performance, unless I'm missing something. Am I? Are those the right numbers for the TTS unit?

I have ran both at the track..........same truck, same day, same driver, same everything.

Looking at the ET's the PPE was 2-5 tenths slower than the Xtreme.

I have not dyno'd it yet but it does run good at the track until the last 300 feet when the power goes flat........

I know that the Xtreme in my truck adds roughly 255 RWHP and almost 600 RWTQ over my baseline.

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The PPE Hot Xcellerator did very well for me truckpulling tonight. After running it on the street for a few weeks I decided to try it hooked to the sled and it got me my first win of the season.

Congrats on the win.............

Glad to see you found a winning combo.

T:) NY

:) Just a correction I went 12.90 at 104 with the hot excellerator. And 12.64 at 107 with a dry kit from an 99 camaro, baby lines and selinoids. I've never tried the extreme. But for me I'm pleased with my setup. Also it was my first time out with that setup.:)

If PPE's Hot Xcellerator puts out 330 horses at the flywheel (which should be about 250 at the rear wheels if you reduce it by 25%), and according to TTS's website, their Xtreme puts out 200, it seems that PPE should have the edge on performance, unless I'm missing something. Am I? Are those the right numbers for the TTS unit?

We rate our units at the rear tires and rate them at what we know they will make on each and every truck. We always under rate them so there will be no problems making the power we claim. I see from you signature you have a Tech IV. Did you know that we made every TECH IV they sold? Its our 120 Hp program, what did PPE rate that one for at the flywheel? :lol:

We rate our units at the rear tires and rate them at what we know they will make on each and every truck. We always under rate them so there will be no problems making the power we claim. I see from you signature you have a Tech IV. Did you know that we made every TECH IV they sold? Its our 120 Hp program, what did PPE rate that one for at the flywheel? :lol:

No, actually I didn't know that. IIRC, their claim for HP at the flywheel wasn't exaggerated - seems it was 40-80-140 for the three switch positions. I've been happy with it, but I just want to go bigger with one of the new programs that are out. Having the Tech IV may require a PCM replacement before it can be re-programmed, right? :confused:

We rate our units at the rear tires and rate them at what we know they will make on each and every truck. We always under rate them so there will be no problems making the power we claim. I see from you signature you have a Tech IV. Did you know that we made every TECH IV they sold? Its our 120 Hp program, what did PPE rate that one for at the flywheel? :lol:


What does the above have to do with the PPE Hot Xcellerator?

Patrick1854

They rated the Tech IV at 70,120,180 for the switch positions we rate the same unit at 30,80,120. It's just a numbers game and they want the biggest ones so they claim flywheel numbers but they have never had and engine out of a truck and installed on a engine dyno to know what the numbers truly are. As far as your current setup we can reprogram your current ECM just fine, no need for a replacement ECM. What I can tell you is truck after truck with a TTS Xtreme program out runs the PPE Hot Xcellerator.


mtomac

If you had bothered to read the first post you would know the answer already

Here it goes again, Diesel Dragon can I borrow some of your popcorn:lol:

Steve, I read the first post by JhnZ71 asking about the PPE Hot Xcellerator. What do TTS tunes have to do with the PPE Hot Xcellerator? Or do you want people to think your're still doing the tuning for PPE and they're just claiming flywheel numbers of your tunes.

Kinda early to start drinking...but I'm on my honey moon and this is going to get good!!!

Patrick,
Instead of looking for something "else"...why not look for something to "add". The Edge Juice works very well with what you currently have and will be more affordable then buying a PPE or TTS. The Juice on what you are currently running has been proven as well....don't shell out a bunch of money you don't need to and lose what you have invested in the Tech 4.

Glad You Like The Ppe Mtomac, I Guess You Know Its Know Where Close To The Tts Though ;)

mtomac

I guess I just need to spell it out better just for you. I should have said:

If you had bothered to read the first post from Patrick1854 you would know the answer already.

As far as what we made for PPE I also called that one out already but I will repeat it just for you "we made every TECH IV " :exactly:

Does anyone own this chip. This thing is absolutely ridiculous, you could probably fry an ats or suncoast tranny with this chip. It raises rev limit to 4,500. I bet the engine wouldnt last to long with this chip. Anyone know anything, about it or own one?

330 additional hp could be a :badidea: for a stock engine would would be soooooooooo sick:ro)

Steve, I read the first post by JhnZ71 (above) asking about the PPE Hot Xcellerator. Again, what do TTS tunes have to do with the PPE Hot Xcellerator?

mtomac don't know if you knew but Joe at ppe has just redone the hot programing as of yesterday ,the new version will have no defueling at shifts and is a little quieter for daily driving, Im getting a trans upgrade in about a week so by then I should have some feedback I know this because I talked to him this mourning about this and sent my HOT back for reflash

I know that the Xtreme in my truck adds roughly 255 RWHP and almost 600 RWTQ over my baseline.

T NY


so why is your baseline so low, most are closer to 250hp with your mods done, making closer to 235net hp

I know that the Xtreme in my truck adds roughly 255 RWHP and almost 600 RWTQ over my baseline.

T NY


so why is your baseline so low, most are closer to 250hp with your mods done, making closer to 235net hp

I have been on tons of dyno's at different dyno days the last three years.

Usually my Baseline falls between 230-240 HP and the TQ comes falls between 415-435.....

As a result my numbers are what they are.

The ones in my SIG are from the Rhode Island Dyno Day this year on a brand new Mustang 1750 Load Cell with a 14 second sweep.

The numbers are what they are............

I do not have IMHO an good fuel pump on my truck, I have found that the Holley RED does not maintain optimum rail pressure as close to commanded vs. actual as it needs to be...........

It still does not explain my slightly lower baseline, but maybe explains the slight 10-15 HP less difference on the top when people like Trippin are making over 500 RWHP.

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Maybe if I dyno'd 250 RWHP I would be a 500 RWHP member............:eek:
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TONY, GET A TTS PUMP AND YOULL BE NEAR 525HP IM SURE ):h :rolleyes:

I use one on my LLY on level 2 as a daily driver. Love it!

TONY, GET A TTS PUMP AND YOULL BE NEAR 525HP IM SURE ):h :rolleyes:

I'LL LET YA KNOW AFTER I PUT THEM ON...................):h :D :cool:

GONNA HIT THE TRACK THIS SUNDAY WITH THE CHANGES I HAVE MADE..........

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The updated version of the Hot Xcelerator is smooooooooth.:exactly:

With a ZF is smoother than even a Van Aaken :ro)

how new is your version?, I should have mine back next week, with a trans upgrade Joe has been working hard at getting it right.

It is latest version, just got it back this morning. I had not had the chance yet to pound it's a$$ but it pulls good. 90% of the rattle is gone and just walking through the gears power transition is as smooth as stock.

thats some great news!!! the rattle was not that bad ,but Im glad he addresed it. I can't wait to run the new HOT tune (its supposed to not defuel at full throttle and still partial defeul at light acceleration) , running a stick must be sweet , I'v never driven in a d-max with a stick

I love the ZF, but have to say with GSM pricing on the new ones right now I have been looking at an Allison.

Not a ZF 2500HD within 500 miles of here.


Nah, I will keep my LB7.

No, actually I didn't know that. IIRC, their claim for HP at the flywheel wasn't exaggerated - seems it was 40-80-140 for the three switch positions. I've been happy with it, but I just want to go bigger with one of the new programs that are out. Having the Tech IV may require a PCM replacement before it can be re-programmed, right? :confused:

Mtomac,
Congrats on your win! :ro)

I believe the bold quote above is what brought Diesel Tech into the conversation.

Patrick,

The main difference between the programs is some people have been provided with programs at a reduced rate to talk good about them on the board. :eek:

Fact: "Everyone" has purchased their TTS Xtreme at full price and think it's the best available.

Fact: Most have owned/tried many other programs before settling on the Xtreme.

Fact: None of the people touting PPE or Quad have owned an Xtreme.

For my money the Quad 10 tune at 699.00 is a better value than the PPE.

Fact: I have never tried a PPE. Others have and kept their Xtreme.

The real question is.......are you looking to save some money and have second or third best, or do you want the best?

Their is no right or wrong decision, only what is right for you. :D

Good luck, spending $1295.00 is never an easy decision.:help2:

Thanks for the replies...There are a lot of good products out there; just tryin' to find what's right for what I want to do. Testimonials from people who have run the product(s) on their own truck are probably the best barometer of performance, reliability, etc. Definitely more mods I wanna add, just takes time and money.:exactly:

TONY, GET A TTS PUMP AND YOULL BE NEAR 525HP IM SURE ):h :rolleyes:

Actually, here's one for you: On the Banks setup on a little LLY, I had dynoed at 406/774, went back to the dyno and hit 419/813 with a built tranny and TTS' Dual lift pumps as the only changes! So the pumps are definitely doing something right.;)

I wonder how many of the members here got their PPE programs for free? I gaurantee there are a bunch. Now, how many of you guys that got your PPE programs for free would give them back if you could get the next TTS upgraded program. penut, you don't count; you are a cheap whore.
mike

What number is the new version?

I had a PPE Hot and thought is was the greatest thing since slice bread. Then I tried the TTS. Never looked back for the exception of pretty much wasting my money on the PPE when there was something better....
Obviously, there is one or two people on this thread that apparently has a personal problem with the TTS - not going there. Fact is EVERYONE that has the TTS Extreme is EXTREMELY happy - except for one person on this thread.
Keep your personal feelings in the bedroom.

I had a PPE Hot and thought is was the greatest thing since slice bread. Then I tried the TTS. Never looked back for the exception of pretty much wasting my money on the PPE when there was something better....
Obviously, there is one or two people on this thread that apparently has a personal problem with the TTS - not going there. Fact is EVERYONE that has the TTS Extreme is EXTREMELY happy - except for one person on this thread.
Keep your personal feelings in the bedroom.

DuraDudz,

At the Diesel Drags coming up in July, you and the rest of Diesel Tech's supporters will see who has the best times, truck, and program! End of story! Let's take it to LACR, baby!


BadMan!

NO, I personally didnt get a free unit from ppe! , but if there is a way I can let me know!,I didnt meet the person giving them away in MI.yet, I would like to try a tts , however I dont want to wait 10 weeks if im lucky enough to get a unit. I also would like them to make a removable programer. We all know it can be done! Will they do it? thats still to be seen! they have been talking about it for a looooong time. as for ppe performance , they are right there with tts , ppe has just retuned there hot tune to have no defuel at full throttel shifts(a la tts) I know some of you out there are going to say" but I can switch levels on the fly" thats great, however I dont want my trans learning to drive at 70hp. and then have to put the coals to it and learn a 200hp. tune with a flick of a switch, isnt that why we pay in excess of $4000.00 fo a trans is so we can drive at these high hp. levels . I personally want my trans to learn at the highest hp. level it can take. as for performance time will tell as soon as I have my trans in(next week)

Id like to thank everyone for all of their replys to my question!

It's good to see the Hot Xcellerator is getting refined - that type of competition between tuners brings drives innovation from everybody. Running similar trucks heads up at the track is a good way to compare tunes, trucks, and drivers, even if it's not as definiitive as the dyno with the same truck, same day, with competitive tunes.

Badman I wish I could be there to run you at LACR in a couple weeks, but I'll be sledpulling that weekend elsewhere. There should be a few guys there to oblige you though.

Let's not forget at the May event at LACR we already did exactly what Badman is calling for now, and the Hot Xcellerator came up a little short when two CC/SB LB7 lifted 4x4's paired off. Maybe the new rev closes the gap; maybe not. Until then, nothing I've seen at LACR has run as fast as the Extreme.

Doug

It's good to see the Hot Xcellerator is getting refined - that type of competition between tuners brings drives innovation from everybody. Running similar trucks heads up at the track is a good way to compare tunes, trucks, and drivers, even if it's not as definiitive as the dyno with the same truck, same day, with competitive tunes.

That's exactly what I think. Lately I asked one of the good people at Quad what they were planning on doing regarding the TTS Extreme wich seemed more powerfull. I was replied that it hasn't been proven and that no more developement was planned for the Quad215. "We're done with it" he said unless we find software bugs. That made me very sad :(

That's exactly what I think. Lately I asked one of the good people at Quad what they were planning on doing regarding the TTS Extreme wich seemed more powerfull. I was replied that it hasn't been proven and that no more developement was planned for the Quad215. "We're done with it" he said unless we find software bugs. That made me very sad :(

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No one to my knowledge with an Extreme has looked back, or regretted the decision. It's not the cheapest option and the wait is a PITA but I understand the wait has been greatly reduced lately. I'll tell you if you buy the PPE and you ever ride in an Extreme equipped truck you'll regret your decision and wish you hadn't wasted your money. It's the cold hard truth. It's not that the PPE is a bad tune, but it's not as "EXTREME" ...

For the LLY I have yet to test anything stronger than the PPE Hot Xcelerator. They have the hottest thing out right now. TTS is working on their LLY product and when it's released I'll bet it'll be the best. Hopefully I'll be able to get one.

Me,I'll take what works the best for me,the rest can :boxing: it out!
I'm finding myself short on fuel supply lately,since I've minimized slip,let you know what I find out maybe


Oh the glory of getting it to the ground is what matters! :)

It's good to see the Hot Xcellerator is getting refined - that type of competition between tuners brings drives innovation from everybody. Running similar trucks heads up at the track is a good way to compare tunes, trucks, and drivers, even if it's not as definiitive as the dyno with the same truck, same day, with competitive tunes.

Badman I wish I could be there to run you at LACR in a couple weeks, but I'll be sledpulling that weekend elsewhere. There should be a few guys there to oblige you though.

Let's not forget at the May event at LACR we already did exactly what Badman is calling for now, and the Hot Xcellerator came up a little short when two CC/SB LB7 lifted 4x4's paired off. Maybe the new rev closes the gap; maybe not. Until then, nothing I've seen at LACR has run as fast as the Extreme.

Doug

:exactly: Doug as usual you have summed it up perfectly.

Bad Man and his buddys will be there with his PPE tune, nitrous, injectors, modded "stock" turbo and whatever else, in the lightest truck he can find and claim to have the best LB7 tune. Same story different chapter. :eek:

July is for water skiing! So I won't be there either.

It will make for entertaining reading though.
I'll get the popcorn and beer.:D

That's funny right there.............):h

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Mike L. How Much Does Coal Pay You To Be His Censored ???? I Paid For My Xcelerator So Stfu. Coals Days Being Numbro Uno Are Doomed, You Should Go Get A Husband Stich, Youre Getting Worn Out ):h ):h

I for one am extremely upset with my Extreme. :joke: This weekend at the NW GTG I dyno'd 499.5HP/1018 torque. It let me down, I was 0.5HP from 500 :) Isn't the general rule in math to round up? I want be in the 500 club.

Mike L. How Much Does Coal Pay You To Be His Censored ???? I Paid For My Xcelerator So Stfu. Coals Days Being Numbro Uno Are Doomed, You Should Go Get A Husband Stich, Youre Getting Worn Out ):h ):h
I bet you could even come up with a receipt for it penut. Too bad for you that none of the guys in SoCal payed for theirs. Wonder if.....Naw they wouldn't.

DuraDudz,

At the Diesel Drags coming up in July, you and the rest of Diesel Tech's supporters will see who has the best times, truck, and program! End of story! Let's take it to LACR, baby!


BadMan!
We took it to LARC and you were found lacking. You had a lighter truck, NOS, Propane and you lost. One of your employees is related to one of mine.

That's exactly what I think. Lately I asked one of the good people at Quad what they were planning on doing regarding the TTS Extreme wich seemed more powerfull. I was replied that it hasn't been proven and that no more developement was planned for the Quad215. "We're done with it" he said unless we find software bugs. That made me very sad :(

That is 100% not true. I know for a fact that there are changes being made.

I also know in about 8 weeks there are some really big advancements being released for both LB7 and LLY. There are some things being done that have never been done before. I can promise in the next 4-6 weeks there will be newer tunes released. I know of a truck running 7.61@94mph on the new tune and a .52 jet!!!! Truck weighs 6100lbs and it is not owned by the company in question.

Get ready there is a REVOLUTION coming.

We took it to LARC and you were found lacking. You had a lighter truck, NOS, Propane and you lost. One of your employees is related to one of mine.

Well, well, well,

Look at what the cat dragged in! First, let's examine your statement. "We took it to LACR", (We, does not include you!), You, Mike (Transmission)L. sat on the sidelines and watched everybody else run their trucks. You claimed your truck was malfunctioning.(Remember, your earlier posts in the "Old Performance" thread.) To paraphrase what you stated earlier, "You were found lacking"! Continuing on, Mike L., you also said, "that I had a lighter truck, NOS, propane, and I lost". Well, I cannot take credit for that either. You see, I have no truck, no NOS or propane. I think you have me confused with someone else who you believe I am. Also, I did not lose, PPE ran the fastest at 117mph versus 114 mph (TTS). Didn't know that either?, well ask your buddy or buddies at (TTS). Last, but not least, (One of our employee's is related to one of yours!) Are you healthy? I mean, mentally healthy! I do not own a business nor do I have any employees. Where on earth did you get this story? It's funny though, I must say, you do not know me, you do not know my vehicle, and you do not know my business, but let me get this right, YOU KNOW TRANSMISSIONS! Damm, I am beginning to think you do not know that either, which is your business. You are a real smart guy! I mean really, really, really, bright!


BadMan!

117 vs. 114 mph..............................what were the ET's ????????????? :rolleyes:

This has been discussed before............do you want a faster mph or do you want to get there in the shortest time ????????

Bring a Crew Cab, 4x4, shortbed and run your PPE all by itself or with NOS........

This has already been proven in CT/NY that the PPE falls short.

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It isn't bad though, just seems to need a little refinement/tweaking.

It isn't bad though, just seems to need a little refinement/tweaking.

Possibly some more R & D..............:eek: :eek: :eek:
.........is needed...........:cool:

Maybe some help from "other sources" will get it "exactly" like the TTS Xtreme..........:p: ........ its close now.

I know some people are working on getting something "exactly" like the TTS XTREME to the market if they can.

Maybe they will release it soon.........

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It sure seems that the people screaming R&D were awful late in the game. It seems that those that were first would be hollering?

You guys sit and wait, the new stuff is trick as all get out. Oh yeah and is uses 21st century technology.

Dunno how Joe is getting where he is going, but I will say that he has been good to work with, answers his phone and returns revised tunes promptly...

Glad to hear that Quad and PPE are pushing forward to try and close the gap with the Xtreme.........:rolleyes: ........at least they both realize they have quite a bit more to do to be in the same league...........:cool: .........especially for overall drivability.............:eek:

I think the Xtreme was written in 2000/2001 when Transgo developed the Transgo kit with Steve Coles input.........

I seem to remember the Quad/215 tuner was released in the Spring/Summer of 2002........

I think mtomac was on of the first people I read about having one and running it stacked with the JUICE.............this was about a year or so after the Xtreme was written..........;)
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Whats so trick and revolutionary about the new quad stuff coming out? If its just a bit more power, no offense intended, I wouldnt call it revolutionary. Its like dodge coming out with 10 more HP than Chevy this year just for Chevy to turn around and up the ante next year. Not really revolutionary IMO. I'm very interested though if there is something out there that will make me run faster...... Be sure to keep us posted and start a new thread when its released. Or if you can give much info now on this new stuff quad is working on make a new thread now as to not swing this one too far OT.

Whats so trick and revolutionary about the new quad stuff coming out? If its just a bit more power, no offense intended, I wouldnt call it revolutionary. Its like dodge coming out with 10 more HP than Chevy this year just for Chevy to turn around and up the ante next year. Not really revolutionary IMO. I'm very interested though if there is something out there that will make me run faster...... Be sure to keep us posted and start a new thread when its released. Or if you can give much info now on this new stuff quad is working on make a new thread now as to not swing this one too far OT.

I can't give much info. There are a bunch of beta untis out for both LLY and LB7. I doubt very many people on the board have them as they don't have access to the boards??

What I am talking about has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with user interface, ease of operation (including updates), features, and of course PRICE.

Oh and the Extreme the one guy was talking about was not the current extreme. The first tune over 200 was Quad's. The current extreme did not come out until much later.

I gotcha ;) Sounds like another product being developed. I was hoping quad would up the power too.

OK, lets try to keep this PPE based.

I think the Xtreme was written in 2000/2001 when Transgo developed the Transgo kit with Steve Coles input.........

I seem to remember the Quad/215 tuner was released in the Spring/Summer of 2002........

I think mtomac was on of the first people I read about having one and running it stacked with the JUICE.............this was about a year or so after the Xtreme was written..........;)
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The Xtreme was written even before the first 2001 Duramax was released?:confused:

Has any TTS owner tested the current products on the Market?:grd:

Credibility is quickly being lost here on this forum by those that write stories without actually first testing the current products....:help:

carterkraft: I'm very glad to hear that developpement is being made on the Quad215. As a owner of a Quad215, I felt let down when Mark (or was it Jeremie?) told me that. I just wrote down what was told to me last April.

i beg to differ- as far as I'm concerned PPE's business practices and the games they attempt to play on this forum (using over 10 different usernames to masquerade as happy customers instead of PPE employees) have made THEM loose all credibility as a reputable vendor. their tunes may be better than their business practices however they are the one without credibility, not their competition's CUSTOMERS.

how may times should current extreme owners revisit a PPE product? every thursday when a new tune comes out? not to say updating one's product is a bad thing.. but do you expect extreme owners to keep trying the PPE over and over to see it fall short over and over?

my point being don't make this thread an argument. just discuss the positive aspects/development of the PPE tunes or else it will be closed.


Credibility is quickly being lost here on this forum by those that write stories without actually first testing the current products....:help:

I doubt very many people on the board have them as they don't have access to the boards??

Why? This site is the premier Duramax site on the INTERNET.If I were Quad I would give THIS URL addy to every beta tester to talk it up!

What I am talking about has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with user interface, ease of operation (including updates), features, and of course PRICE.

Cheaper? Hot dam and I thought the 10 tunes for 699 was a bargain!

Oh and the Extreme the one guy was talking about was not the current extreme. The first tune over 200 was Quad's. The current extreme did not come out until much later.

It will be interesting to say the least that Quad will have a "stand alone" tuner that will compete "alone" with the TTS program.

Good luck to Quad as something new and improved to the market is great! :)

all this compitition amongst manufactures will only lead to better developement of products for the most important factor in this thread ,US the consumer, if ppe pushes the boudries and nips at the heels of tts or Quad decides to let their hottest tunes out and they dyno better or run stronger than the compititions , it will force the others to step up to the plate and produce a better product or be left in the soot. In all of this we will be the ones who benifit, it will force all manufactures to be competively priced with simular features. Instead of negative selling or slamming each other , about getting free tuners for a faverable review, lets let the other consumers benifit from our knowledge and experiance using these high performance products. I personally dont care if somebody recieved a free sample (and I did not!! I just need a great running tune with fast costomer service, and reliable hp., with out waiting for 12 wks. if your lucky to get it) and touts it as the best thing since sliced bread , when realy, we all know the times and runs on the TRUTH DETECTOR(dyno) is what speaks the loudest.

I think the LB7 is finished as far as new tunes go. I don't think Steve Cole at TTS can do anymore because of fuel ( CP3). I don't think he is interested anymore in the LB7. There is only one company out there that is interested and selling programs under private labels and they are playing catch up. How many years ago was TTS running low 12s on # 2 and now the so called competition is doing the same with NOS and beating their chests. Go figure.

just to keep you up to date mike, their also is other single tunes that have been making low 13teens, and as of last night hit high 12 on #2, with a truck weight in the 7000lb range, without any unburnt smoke to see of, and can be used for towing as well(no soot on the trailer), and we are still hoping for a bit more, soon an anouncement will be maid, trust me, but i will give it to cole for being the first

fredw
I do not doubt you. I think it's about time.

I think the LB7 is finished as far as new tunes go. I don't think Steve Cole at TTS can do anymore because of fuel ( CP3). I don't think he is interested anymore in the LB7. There is only one company out there that is interested and selling programs under private labels and they are playing catch up. How many years ago was TTS running low 12s on # 2 and now the so called competition is doing the same with NOS and beating their chests. Go figure.


I disagree.

I think Steve will have more work cut out for the LB7 guys when more fuel becomes available.

But then it will be custom application.:ro)

all this compitition amongst manufactures will only lead to better developement of products for the most important factor in this thread ,US the consumer, if ppe pushes the boudries and nips at the heels of tts or Quad decides to let their hottest tunes out and they dyno better or run stronger than the compititions , it will force the others to step up to the plate and produce a better product or be left in the soot. In all of this we will be the ones who benifit, it will force all manufactures to be competively priced with simular features. Instead of negative selling or slamming each other , about getting free tuners for a faverable review, lets let the other consumers benifit from our knowledge and experiance using these high performance products. I personally dont care if somebody recieved a free sample (and I did not!! I just need a great running tune with fast costomer service, and reliable hp., with out waiting for 12 wks. if your lucky to get it) and touts it as the best thing since sliced bread , when realy, we all know the times and runs on the TRUTH DETECTOR(dyno) is what speaks the loudest.

EXCELLENT!.....
Lets keep all these manufacturers on their toes, competition is what keeps advancements going, we will ALL benefit!!!

The PPE Hot Xcellerator helped my truck finish 1st again on Saturday night in Tampico, IN in the ATPA ProStreet class against trucks that also pull in the DHRA Super Street class. At Indy I finished 3rd out of 76 trucks in the DHRA Street class with a blown intercooler boot. So far with the PPE Hot Xcellerator I've placed 1st twice (winning by 17' & 10') and 2nd once (with an intercooler boot that popped off) and 3rd once (with a blown intercooler boot).

Does that mean that the QUAD 215/Comp OJ stack is a dust collector now ???????

Congrat's on the wins, BTW.........:thumb:
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Curious (just curious) if this same tune has manners enough to tow at that power level?

just to keep you up to date mike, their also is other single tunes that have been making low 13teens, and as of last night hit high 12 on #2, with a truck weight in the 7000lb range, without any unburnt smoke to see of, and can be used for towing as well(no soot on the trailer), and we are still hoping for a bit more, soon an anouncement will be maid, trust me, but i will give it to cole for being the first

Sounds interesting fred. I'm looking forward to seeing one!

please keep us updated.

just to keep you up to date mike, their also is other single tunes that have been making low 13teens, and as of last night hit high 12 on #2, with a truck weight in the 7000lb range, without any unburnt smoke to see of, and can be used for towing as well(no soot on the trailer), and we are still hoping for a bit more, soon an anouncement will be maid, trust me, but i will give it to cole for being the first

I think the LB7 is finished as far as new tunes go. I don't think Steve Cole at TTS can do anymore because of fuel ( CP3). I don't think he is interested anymore in the LB7. There is only one company out there that is interested and selling programs under private labels and they are playing catch up. How many years ago was TTS running low 12s on # 2 and now the so called competition is doing the same with NOS and beating their chests. Go figure.

So Steve isn't adressing programming changes that need to be made for the guys running a bigger turbo, bigger injectors and a modded CP3 like Joe at PPE is? The extreme won't run on trucks with those upgrades so you have to run the 120 hp setting. Sounds like guys that want to take the Duramax to the extreme shouldn't bother with the TTS Extreme

BTW, if a 12.78 is low 12's my 11.95 must be low 11's

Does that mean that the QUAD 215/Comp OJ stack is a dust collector now ???????

Congrat's on the wins, BTW.........:thumb:
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it's still available for special occasions

Mtomac,I see your point about programming issues but the extreme was made for stock trucks .If you could change whatever you wanted and it worked it would be the best ,but when you start adding bigger injectors and more fuel now its a new game .I didnt see where steve said he wouldnt help someone.I am sure he doesnt want to get into a ton of custom work opposed to being able to write tunes for the everday person .We will just press forward and see what happens.I can tell you and extreme on a big injector truck will fuel big time .I also know an extreme works fine on some trucks with modded injectors just fine .NLDP now back to ppe thread

now back to ppe thread

:exactly: This is going waaaaay:offtopic:

If its not talking about PPE its getting waxed.

As ratlover said let's get this one back on topic. If you aren't commenting on the PPE box originally mentioned in the first post it doesn't belong in this thread.

Man, I Love My Ppe :)

ppe or pe :bow: pe?

I know this is an LB7 thread, and old news, but if you want the strongest tuner on market today for the LLY, it's the PPE. The PPE stack is the only way to get close to LB7 horsepower right now. Lordy knows I've tried every possible tuner I could get my hands on.

I'm not on anyone's payroll. I run what is the fastest available when I show up at the track. If some people dislike PPE, don't know what to tell you. Joe and the staff at PPE have been very professional and courteous to me. I liken their customer service to Edge and Inglewood Transmissions. They bend over backwards to help you.

If this pisses some people off, I'm sorry. I call it like I see it.

thats PACIFIC PERFORMANCE ENGINERING a company that listens to it's costomers, and can produce a custome tune for those looking to run big turbos, or any other mods, (in less than 12 weeks if your lucky ), no! I,m not affiliated at all with ppe , but I am a satisfied costomer, I asked for a custom tune and will have it in less than a week, about the same time my suncoast level4 arives can't wait!!!

I should add, that the most single-tuner Duramax LB7 #2 power I've personally witnessed is the TTS tune.

Will the new PPE tune beat it? Dunno. Haven't seen them back to back yet.

right on with you Mcrat, Joe At PPE has giving me some excellant service and has been working with me unbelievably well , the new tune I have in my truck right now has me feeling very good about some 1/4 times, it is definatly the most responsive i have ran yet. I wish I would have tried it in indy but was unable to test inside the event and i did not want to go out into the street with the cops around. It definatly seems to run better then my low 13s before.

I should add, that the most single-tuner Duramax LB7 #2 power I've personally witnessed is the TTS tune.

Will the new PPE tune beat it? Dunno. Haven't seen them back to back yet.

I think what needs to be done is that the PPE tuner needs to be run on a truck with the proper setup and then compared with the PPE. That is the only way to know. We can get on here and debate this over and over but without comparison there is no conversation...

I think what needs to be done is that the PPE tuner needs to be run on a truck with the proper setup and then compared with the PPE. That is the only way to know. We can get on here and debate this over and over but without comparison there is no conversation...

11 pages of beating the bushes must mean something ):h

11 pages of beating the bushes must mean something ):h

I guess... Must mean we have some opinionated people on here and that is a good thing...:exactly:

I know this is an LB7 thread, and old news, but if you want the strongest tuner on market today for the LLY, it's the PPE. The PPE stack is the only way to get close to LB7 horsepower right now. Lordy knows I've tried every possible tuner I could get my hands on.

I'm not on anyone's payroll. I run what is the fastest available when I show up at the track. If some people dislike PPE, don't know what to tell you. Joe and the staff at PPE have been very professional and courteous to me. I liken their customer service to Edge and Inglewood Transmissions. They bend over backwards to help you.

If this pisses some people off, I'm sorry. I call it like I see it.

I agree with you all the way McRat, Joe at PPE has always been very professional and knowledgeable about his products and diesel trucks in general, when I have contacted him or visited his shop. He made sure I had all the information concerning tuners, modules, programmers, etc. His staff also helped me out with suggestions, information, and various ideas when looking at what is available for diesel trucks on the market today!
Keep up the good work, Joe, and your staff at PPE!


Sincerely,

BadMan!

Sure got quiet around here...........

I was interested in the new PPE stuff...............and then this thread went dead............:eek:

Anyone got any new track times or dyno numbers they want to share?????

T:cool: NY
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I think once Pat(McSwain)
(who we know to be unbiased and straight-shooting IMO) made his statement, people are now ready to listen to what PPE has to say. We all know there are some TTS extreme cheerleaders that want nothing more than for PPE to fall flat on it's face.
So is there room for these two products on this forum?

I believe the answer is now yes.

May the members(not the best tuner mfr.'s)win.

IIRC, some of the dodge boys don't care much for Tomac's PPE :ro)

Micheal Tomac - PPE DURAMAX - 318.61 (308.32') street truck
George Peterson - CUMMINS - 305.78' (298.58') street truck
Craig Severson - CUMMINS - 303.19' (279.21') super street truck
Jeremy Strayley - CUMMINS -29?' super street truck
Todd Cox - CUMMINS - 29?' super street truck
Curt Haisley - CUMMINS - 288.34' super street truck

(pull off distance)

The last four trucks are the points leaders in DHRA super street pullers

I think once Pat(McSwain)
(who we know to be unbiased and straight-shooting IMO) made his statement, people are now ready to listen to what PPE has to say. We all know there are some TTS extreme cheerleaders that want nothing more than for PPE to fall flat on it's face.
So is there room for these two products on this forum?

I believe the answer is now yes.

May the members(not the best tuner mfr.'s)win.

Can anybody explain why PPE advertises numbers in flywheel instead of RWHP when they don't even have the capacity to measure flywheel HP? Am I the only one that finds this insulting and misleading to those who don't have the experience that some of us do? :(

IMHO this speaks volumes about their credibility and the lengths they will go to sell product.

Banks got crucified for trying this same numbers game and yet the anti-TTS contingent here just accepts this from PPE as OK. :confused:

How would you feel if you spent $1000.00 on a PPE tuner in order to pick up 330HP went to the dyno picked up 200 rwhp and then found out later that the fine print said "flywheel HP"? :(

As I said before, show me something that outruns my current LB7 tune legit, and I'll be the first one to buy it and sing it's praises. Until then, call me a cheerleader if that makes you feel better, but I prefer "scientist" as in controlled, accurate testing. Or "truth seeker" as in wow that's a big number let's see if we can get it to do that consistently or is it just an anomaly.:D

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i don't think its fine print, but it does not matter does it, no matter the claim its what it does on the track, or on the dyno. so why again didn't you test it, because joe made you pay full price (if he made you pay full price like you claimed for testing i would be shocked) or because cole told you not too.bottom line is you did not test it according to your post when it came out, unless you changed your mind and I missed the post.

All I know is it runs better then the bastard stack on my truck, i have never ran a TTS so I can not compare.

first of all they dont advertise in fine print , why they advertise in flywheel hp, thats thier decision, just like GM, and Dodge,and Ford do ! I realy dont care how they rate thier tuners, however I do care about the end results, how it runs. It seems to me alot of the tts people are self justifing thier purchase by trying to bash the compitition because they are on the verge of being a better product

i don't think its fine print, but it does not matter does it, no matter the claim its what it does on the track, or on the dyno. so why again didn't you test it, because joe made you pay full price (if he made you pay full price like you claimed for testing i would be shocked) or because cole told you not too.bottom line is you did not test it according to your post when it came out, unless you changed your mind and I missed the post.

All I know is it runs better then the bastard stack on my truck, i have never ran a TTS so I can not compare.

Hello bigd,

I could not agree more with what you just stated. Excellent!

BadMan!

IIRC, some of the dodge boys don't care much for Tomac's PPE :ro)

Micheal Tomac - PPE DURAMAX - 318.61 (308.32') street truck
George Peterson - CUMMINS - 305.78' (298.58') street truck
Craig Severson - CUMMINS - 303.19' (279.21') super street truck
Jeremy Strayley - CUMMINS -29?' super street truck
Todd Cox - CUMMINS - 29?' super street truck
Curt Haisley - CUMMINS - 288.34' super street truck

(pull off distance)

The last four trucks are the points leaders in DHRA super street pullers

WTG Mike!

Your setup is working well.

For the record, I prefer RWHP rated products.... that's where "The Bull$hit Stops When the Green Flag Drops " quote comes from.

That said, Dyno numbers are subjective at best. RH, Air Density, Altitude, CF, Inertia, Load, blah blah blah.

Same truck same setup same day on the dyno. Then on the rollers. Some tunes will work better than others depending on sticks, pumps, Turbos/Jets etc.

A Shoot Out would be cool!:ro)

A wise man once told me, "It is what it is". :D I'm sure he told you the same thing.

K&N puts "Increases HP up to 25HP gain!" Nobody takes them seriously but they still buy their filters. And don't even get me started with Granatelli's laughable claims.

The norm in the performance industry is inflated crankshaft HP. But what is more important than anything else is how the product actually performs.

I'm still unconvinced that the way to prove your product performs is to claim the competition's product doesn't perform.

More than likely, a year from now there will be different tuners on the market. Who's will be the baddest? No freekin' clue. But there will probably be the same slam-fests concerning them.

I for one am not going to "take sides". I'm here for the HP, and the name on the box is no where near as important as the numbers on the slip.

Can anybody explain why PPE advertises numbers in flywheel instead of RWHP when they don't even have the capacity to measure flywheel HP? Am I the only one that finds this insulting and misleading to those who don't have the experience that some of us do? :(

IMHO this speaks volumes about their credibility and the lengths they will go to sell product.

Banks got crucified for trying this same numbers game and yet the anti-TTS contingent here just accepts this from PPE as OK. :confused:

How would you feel if you spent $1000.00 on a PPE tuner in order to pick up 330HP went to the dyno picked up 200 rwhp and then found out later that the fine print said "flywheel HP"? :(

As I said before, show me something that outruns my current LB7 tune legit, and I'll be the first one to buy it and sing it's praises. Until then, call me a cheerleader if that makes you feel better, but I prefer "scientist" as in controlled, accurate testing. Or "truth seeker" as in wow that's a big number let's see if we can get it to do that consistently or is it just an anomaly.:D

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I prefer RWHP numbers also but where the rubber meets the road is on the dyno. Just because a product states 200 RWHP doesn't tell me how it performs on the track. The only way for you to truly know is to test both of them on the same day at the same track. As Pat has said the best tune for the LLY right now is the PPE. And I trust his opinion. Doesn't look like it is hurting Tomac. The only thing I care about is how much HP I can get for my truck. Don't care who makes it as long as it performs.

Damn, you're quick on the keyboard. ):h

Very nice comments about the new tuner......:D ......

I have not had a chance to run the latest and greatest but did run whatever was available in April of this year.

It ran good..........but not as good.......:eek:

As far as having to justify my purchase.........well I paid what I paid and it is what it is..........and I am happy with it........:cool:

Hope you guys are happy with your PPE.............it has surpassed the BASTARD STACK as far as the reports.................look for lots of Quad tuners and Juice boxes for sale...............:p:

See ya at the track............in the rearview.

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I think I may have been the first one too point that out more then a year ago. But it doesn't hurt to remind folks of this little misleading tactic. 330 flywheel should be 280-300 rearwheel, but it is more like 180-200:eek: There is no way it should lose the same percentage or more then a stock 300 fwhp engine. As the power increases, the drive train loss should drop. ( percentage wise!)

Can anybody explain why PPE advertises numbers in flywheel instead of RWHP when they don't even have the capacity to measure flywheel HP? Am I the only one that finds this insulting and misleading to those who don't have the experience that some of us do? :(

A stock truck dynos 240-250rwhp with a 300HP rating. GM has been known to be a bit conservative as well. A 405HP GM motor dynos about 355 through a lightweight manual transmission that is far less "lossy" than a truck drivetrain.

HP loss is a combination of fixed and variable losses. Bearings and gears tend to be variable, seals tend to be fixed. It's well known engineering that losses increase as a function of power, but it is seldom a linear formula.

You CAN dyno an engine on an engine dyno, but the numbers seldom are indicative of what the engine is really putting out when installed. Exhaust, intake and cooling differences.

You CAN dyno an engine on an engine dyno, but the numbers seldom are indicative of what the engine is really putting out when installed. Exhaust, intake and cooling differences.

Every engine we have dynoed on the engine dyno has alway made rated power +- 2%, so I would have to disagree with this statement. To properly run an engine dyno you must either use the parts as they will be in the vehicle or restrict the exhaust so that it flows the same as the "in vehicle" exhaust does. When this is done GM's rating have always been spot on. Now that's not to say you cannot play games by running an open exhaust or removing the water pump, power steering pump ect. to make thing look different.

i don't think its fine print, but it does not matter does it, no matter the claim its what it does on the track, or on the dyno. so why again didn't you test it, because joe made you pay full price (if he made you pay full price like you claimed for testing i would be shocked) or because cole told you not too.bottom line is you did not test it according to your post when it came out, unless you changed your mind and I missed the post.

All I know is it runs better then the bastard stack on my truck, i have never ran a TTS so I can not compare.

Cap, Badman and BigD,

PPE is making some great gains, I commend them for it. But how do you justify advertising something you can not back up with actual quantifiable results and expect to be taken seriously.

If you 3 go back and reread the posts about why I returned the Xcelerator you would see that the previous week I had spent $400.00 dynoing the "new bastard stack" and discovered that it did not measure up. So now the following week I was going to spend $1,000.00 on the Xcelerator tuner and then $400.00 on more dyno time and find out that it did not measure up. :confused:

Just to hear the same old rhetoric from you guys, I decided against it. A wise decision indeed as GMC-2002-Dmax performed the back to back testing at the track at a later date and found it lacking.

Previously I invited the PPE guys in another thread to do a back to back dyno test/track test on my truck. If the Xcelerator is better, I would buy it and pay for all the dyno time and tell everyone in the world how much better it was than my current tune. If it turned out not to be better, they would buy the dyno/track time and have to admit the same.

It's a good thing they chose to stick to flywheel claims as GMC-2002-Dmax proved that it didn't "stack" up! :D

Because you guys are relatively new to the board I'll give you a history lesson. I got mislead on HP claims when I was a "Newbie" here on the board. I had very disappointing dyno results running a stack that some were saying was the best thing since sliced bread. This pissed me off, so I went on a quest and purchased every tune/stack that was available and ran them back to back on my truck on the same dyno the same day and even repeated all tests to insure validity. Expensive? Yes. No BS just scientific research. That gentlemen is how I ended up with my Xtreme.

I haven't destroyed transmissions or converters, or blown up turbos, or stupidly abused my truck along the way. I've just built a solid foundation that others have followed, duplicated, and have been very happy with.

When you 3 get to the point where you have done the research I have, and want to discuss this intelligently, I welcome your input. Until then, I feel it is you 3 that are trying to justify your purchases or help PPE with their marketing . :pimp:


Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow!:D :D

Every engine we have dynoed on the engine dyno has alway made rated power +- 2%, so I would have to disagree with this statement. To properly run an engine dyno you must either use the parts as they will be in the vehicle or restrict the exhaust so that it flows the same as the "in vehicle" exhaust does. When this is done GM's rating have always been spot on. Now that's not to say you cannot play games by running an open exhaust or removing the water pump, power steering pump ect. to make thing look different.

GM rated the LS1 in the Fbody at 310HP and the exact same engine in the Vette at 350HP, they dyno'd the same at the tires. It was done for marketing reasons. (yes I know there was a minor cam change for EGR delete).

For kicks find an 03-04 Cobra and watch it. And on the other end, the RX-8, or 99 Cobra. Brochure HP is just about as predictible as aftermarket aircleaners.

GM rated the LS1 in the Fbody at 310HP and the exact same engine in the Vette at 350HP, they dyno'd the same at the tires. It was done for marketing reasons. (yes I know there was a minor cam change for EGR delete).

This is the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Those minor differences also include a different exhaust and different tuning for the Corvette Vs the Camaro. So when run with Corvette tuning and Corvette exhaust and Corvette camshaft it makes 350 Hp, but when you remove those items and put the Camaro parts back on the engine drops power. GM stepped up and told everyone this by rating the Camaro package at 310 HP cause that's what it did! Now you take a Camaro and add a good exhaust and change the tuning and you got almost all the Corvette power back.

[quote=Trippin]Cap, Badman and BigD,



When you 3 get to the point where you have done the research I have, and want to discuss this intelligently, I welcome your input. Until then, I feel it is you 3 that are trying to justify your purchases or help PPE with their marketing .
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your research with PPE was recieving a tuner and sending it back never putting it on your truck, not enough research for posting here in this thread IMHO and taking PPE down, I too only care how fast my truck runs and know all about being misrepresented, congrats to gmc-2002-dmax for posting his results at least he tried. the bottom line is joe at PPE has blown me away with his service and his desire to have one of the top dmax tuners on the market, my egr lb7 runs faster then alot of TTS trucks it also runs slower then alot of TTS trucks so I would say its closing the gap and I am happy not just with the tuner but with the updates. I am glad your happy with your TTS keep on rolling your dmax hard

[quote=Trippin]Cap, Badman and BigD,



When you 3 get to the point where you have done the research I have, and want to discuss this intelligently, I welcome your input. Until then, I feel it is you 3 that are trying to justify your purchases or help PPE with their marketing .
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your research with PPE was recieving a tuner and sending it back never putting it on your truck, not enough research for posting here in this thread IMHO and taking PPE down, I too only care how fast my truck runs and know all about being misrepresented, congrats to gmc-2002-dmax for posting his results at least he tried. the bottom line is joe at PPE has blown me away with his service and his desire to have one of the top dmax tuners on the market, my egr lb7 runs faster then alot of TTS trucks it also runs slower then alot of TTS trucks so I would say its closing the gap and I am happy not just with the tuner but with the updates. I am glad your happy with your TTS keep on rolling your dmax hard Finally a post that has something to do with the original thread! Even though the past 5 or six posts are very interesting and mature, starting with Trippins post, they still have nothing to do with the original thread. You guys should start a new thread talking about RWHP compared to FWHP so those of us who find intellegent conversation interesting will have something to read.

330 flywheel should be 280-300 rearwheel, but it is more like 180-200:eek:

What power does the quad/juice put down?
over 200 I'm sure, maybe 230?
If the PPE is out performing it, then it's closer to 250 maybe more.

Seems to me the extreme is around the 250 range too.


I'd like to see the NLDP truck run Tomac's PPE :cool2: