i have an 06 (lbz) d-max, i removed the rubber boot that comes off of the turbo,- that goes to the cooler- and sure enough their is a SMALL amount of oil in the tube (less than a teaspoon). and ive been contimplating doing the pcv reroute for a while, ive seen the diy threads, ive looked at my truck, but im not sure about if i should just run a hose to the ground OR try to use a water (oil) seperator and return the air BACK into the intake? most large diesels at work (caterpillar heavy equipment) just puff it out a hose aimed at the ground. i also had another thought (scary i know:rolleyes:) would doing this mod increase the mileage at all??? i know thats not the primary reason for this mod, i was hoping to hear from someone that has done this and has watched it carefully??

You wont find an increase in MPG, just good engine health.

I'm not sure where it would help mileage? If it does increase it any it may only be 1/10th of a mpg if even that much. Now the fresh air that get drawn in instead of the pc gases may increase it a couple more 1/10ths but there again not much in my opinion. Its mainly for good piece of mind knowing that your engine is getting fresh air instead of it's own fumes.

yeah - i kinda didnt think so, what could the oil hurt? just the air fuel ratio?
upper cylinder lubrication!;) lol

Well if you get a big enough oil slug it can cause the turbo fins to become lunch for the pistons. Not good when that happens

how many engines have been ruined by oil from the pcv system?? does the oil COLLECT in the tubo housing?

how many engines have been ruined by oil from the pcv system?? does the oil COLLECT in the tubo housing?

Not sure how many engines? But yes oil does slowly collect in the intake duct and if enough accumlates over time it can cause failure. Look at it this way a $100.00 mod or cheaper can save you a couple thousand for a new stock turbo and labor if the oil were to granade it. And your actually getting fresh air as an added benefit on top of that.

ok, now should i dump it on the ground or reroute it thru a air (oil) seperator and back into the the intake? what if i made a venturi system (to help suck it out of the engine) into the exhaust?

ok, now should i dump it on the ground or reroute it thru a air (oil) seperator and back into the the intake? what if i made a venturi system (to help suck it out of the engine) into the exhaust?

You can do what ever you feel like doing buddy. Some people have done the air sep to intake, some do a air sep to the ground, and some shoot it into the exhaust its all up to you.:D

well.... thats kinda the reason i started this thread i wanna see how many people run a hose to the ground OR use the oil seperated OR run it into the exhaust... maybe i should try to get a poll started on the 3 options....

I have thousands of customers of mine that dump to the ground. My kit can be found at www.allseasondieselperformance.com

I think that you should do the due diligence on the options (e.g. price vs. positives). If the poll shows that thousands of lemmings opt to jump off the cliff into the ocean that does not neccessarily mean that is good thing. I am not trying to be a wise guy, I just mean that sometimes we have to make informed decisions. I believe that the question should be what are the advantages to the different setups. I personally think that the pcv reroute is a good thing, how it is done did not strike me as being particularly important but note I am no where near an authority on diesels.

I think that you should do the due diligence on the options (e.g. price vs. positives). If the poll shows that thousands of lemmings opt to jump off the cliff into the ocean that does not neccessarily mean that is good thing. I am not trying to be a wise guy, I just mean that sometimes we have to make informed decisions. I believe that the question should be what are the advantages to the different setups. I personally think that the pcv reroute is a good thing, how it is done did not strike me as being particularly important but note I am no where near an authority on diesels.
Im sorry! but i would not lead anyone astray. Do a search and find all the good things and not sure if you will find many if any negatives.

Im sorry! but i would not lead anyone astray. Do a search and find all the good things and not sure if you will find many if any negatives.
Well said tony I cant think of a negative other than the poor people that have to go through emission checks:shake: that has to suck:(

I wanted to do something beside just dump it on the ground also. I too, posted one or two threads, but never got any real responces...just like you.

It seems like they would make something out there in the Diesel world for just this problem!?! Come on...someone out there has to know something.....

I wanted to do something beside just dump it on the ground also. I too, posted one or two threads, but never got any real responces...just like you.

It seems like they would make something out there in the Diesel world for just this problem!?! Come on...someone out there has to know something.....

Here is something made for a PowerStroke, but it should be adaptable:
http://www.dieselperformance.com/index.php/product/index/152P

I just ran mine on short hose sections to small plastic fluid sample bottles i picked up at work. I drilled a hole and installed a fitting on the bottle cap to attach the hose unto and drilled a bunch of vent holes around the top of the bottle. That way it still vents but any oil that does come out gets collected in the bottle. I didn't want to run the hose all the way down to the bottom of the engine. 1) I didn't want any oil dripping out onto the driveway,although most,including me, who have rerouted don't get much if any oil out of it and 2) I didn't want it getting plugged up with the winter slop down low.

and no,you are not going to see any mileage change from it.

I bought a kit from Tony @ 40,000 miles I now have 68,000 I run a hose down on each side and tied it to the bottom of each frame rail. It works fine. It never drips. For a long time every time I got out of the truck I'd run my finger up the bottom of the hose. I've never even got any oil on my finger. In my life I have put 3,000,000 miles on diesel engines and most of them the engine vented to the ground. The more miles you get on your engine the more blow by you'll get. But a Duramax LBZ that's running good can be run to the ground with out any problems. You will get a smell of oil fumes when you get out of the truck. I'd say if you do not want the smell either leave it alone or run it to the exhaust.

when your hose to the aftercooler blows off from "internal lubrication" in the middle of nowhere and you have a 09 without reuseable clamps you will know why this is a good idea.
only negative is it will not pass a smog test dumped to the air.

I just ran mine on short hose sections to small plastic fluid sample bottles i picked up at work. I drilled a hole and installed a fitting on the bottle cap to attach the hose unto and drilled a bunch of vent holes around the top of the bottle. That way it still vents but any oil that does come out gets collected in the bottle. I didn't want to run the hose all the way down to the bottom of the engine. 1) I didn't want any oil dripping out onto the driveway,although most,including me, who have rerouted don't get much if any oil out of it and 2) I didn't want it getting plugged up with the winter slop down low.

and no,you are not going to see any mileage change from it.It will never plug with winter slop hanging straight down. Have you ever tried pushing dirt up a garden hose when it is turned on?

And having a container under the hood will start to acumilate oil vapors and leave a residue of oil under the hood.

when your hose to the aftercooler blows off from "internal lubrication" in the middle of nowhere and you have a 09 without reuseable clamps you will know why this is a good idea.
only negative is it will not pass a smog test dumped to the air.

i just had my truck e-checked, all they did was plug into the obd2 port and made sure the trucks emissions system said everything was ok, and they sent me on my way. they didnt even stick the probe in the tail pipe or rev it up or anything. i dont have my rerouted my pvc yet, how would that effect emissions? wouldent re-routing the pvc (to the ground) cause the truck to produce LESS emission out of the tail pipe?! i guess as long as they dont see the pipe stricking out of the bottom puffing smoke. (proably not much anyway!) i could find a good place to stick the open end of the hose before i take the truck into get e-checked.(to make it less noticable)

HOWEVER they did look under the truck for the cat, granted they used the mirror on a stick -

and im not sure the burn-out kid:crazy: knew what he was looking for :rolleyes:

(and he spent NO-MORE than 1.5 seconds looking for it) !!!

And having a container under the hood will start to acumilate oil vapors and leave a residue of oil under the hood.

how would that happen with the closed sytem ? pictured here --->( http://www.dieselperformance.com/ind...uct/index/152P (http://www.dieselperformance.com/index.php/product/index/152P) ) and if i under stand the directions correctly, you have to turn the valve to drain the oil out.... where does the residue come from??

I just had my car checked and they did not open the hood , put a probe in the tail pipe read the computer and were done, I took my Moms car in for her when in CA and I swear they checked everything a to z ,I guess it depends on where you go and your state rules are. The reason it effects emissions is nothing can vent to the atmosphere anymore in most states if it were not for that it would not be routed back into the motor. My 09 built up enough to blow the hose off in 20,000 miles and with the permanent clamp it tore the hose and was not a simple fix. The CHP took me to a parts store to buy a turbo hose clamp and back to the truck and I Moused it back together to get me buy. If you have a 09 buy a couple clamps for the glove box!

how would that happen with the closed sytem ? pictured here --->( http://www.dieselperformance.com/ind...uct/index/152P (http://www.dieselperformance.com/index.php/product/index/152P) ) and if i under stand the directions correctly, you have to turn the valve to drain the oil out.... where does the residue come from??I was refering to the plastic bottle with holes drilled in it to vent under the hood.

I am also working on a closed system that will pass smog testing.

It will never plug with winter slop hanging straight down. Have you ever tried pushing dirt up a garden hose when it is turned on?

And having a container under the hood will start to acumilate oil vapors and leave a residue of oil under the hood.


It hasn't produced oil residue outside the collector bottles in 1.5 years hooked to your kit, and it's not anywhere close to the volume or pressure of a garden hose coming out of it.

It hasn't produced oil residue outside the collector bottles in 1.5 years hooked to your kit, and it's not anywhere close to the volume or pressure of a garden hose coming out of it.Thats great yours is dry, most will have some residue.
My point with the garden hose is that it wont ever plug when the truck is running unless someone crames a stick up it.

Thats great yours is dry, most will have some residue.
My point with the garden hose is that it wont ever plug when the truck is running unless someone crames a stick up it.

I knew what you ment. It was just a concern I had when I did it ,although I've never heard anyone having that problem. I did it mainly because I just didn't want any oil drips on the garage floor. In the 1.5 years it's been that way all I've ever got was about half a droppers worth collected in the bottom of the plastic jars.

I just did Tony's reroute kit on my Kodiak after having done it on my '06 3500 before. This time I went to Autozone and bought two breathers and put them on the end of the hoses with hose clamps. I'm doing this temporarily just to see how much oil comes out because I park in a lot of RV parks and don't want to be a slob in case it dumps a lot of oil.

Tony

That closed System sounds really interesting.

I made my own re-route with a Moroso race catch can, I have noticed oil vapor residue under the hood around the breather, and lately since doing my PPE HOT and PPE EGR blocker, i'm getting allot of oil smell coming out of the catch can. (also the breather filter gets pretty soaked in oil)

An Emissions legal system with no smell would be awesome. Please let us know when it will be ready.

Thanks.

Tony

That closed System sounds really interesting.

I made my own re-route with a Moroso race catch can, I have noticed oil vapor residue under the hood around the breather, and lately since doing my PPE HOT and PPE EGR blocker, i'm getting allot of oil smell coming out of the catch can. (also the breather filter gets pretty soaked in oil)

An Emissions legal system with no smell would be awesome. Please let us know when it will be ready.

Thanks.It will be 100% maintance free, no filters, no smell and no oil drips.

When Cali starts diesel emissions testing this year, the inspection is likely to be more thourough than just an OBD check. The last gasser I brought in took the tech about 20 min to do the physical inspection to make sure all the emissions equipment was intact and about 5-10 more min to measure the tail pipe emissions. At the very least, I would expect them to have a checklist like for the gassers with all the emissions equipment listed and the PCV will be on that list along with the EGR, Cat and DPF. The state also runs rigged cars through the stations to keep the techs honest, with big fines and loss of license for offenders, so the techs usually do their job. If I was to do a bypass in Cali, I would make certain that it was easy to reverse for the inspection.

P.S. I wouldn't leave an open tube on the breather. I know it is a very different machine, but my XR600 had an open crankcase breather from the factory and after I put a filter on it, my oil stayed MUCH cleaner, so I assume that quite a bit of dust was getting in. Again I know and XR600 is not a Duramax, but I would not take that kind of chance with such an expensive engine.

P.S. I wouldn't leave an open tube on the breather. I know it is a very different machine, but my XR600 had an open crankcase breather from the factory and after I put a filter on it, my oil stayed MUCH cleaner, so I assume that quite a bit of dust was getting in. Again I know and XR600 is not a Duramax, but I would not take that kind of chance with such an expensive engine.
I have always believed there was constant pressure out the blow by tube.

Well if you get a big enough oil slug it can cause the turbo fins to become lunch for the pistons. Not good when that happens
What was that again?

It will be 100% maintance free, no filters, no smell and no oil drips.

Awesome, Please let us know when we can order it!!!!! I want one. :cool:

P.S. I wouldn't leave an open tube on the breather. I know it is a very different machine, but my XR600 had an open crankcase breather from the factory and after I put a filter on it, my oil stayed MUCH cleaner, so I assume that quite a bit of dust was getting in. Again I know and XR600 is not a Duramax, but I would not take that kind of chance with such an expensive engine.With a hose on the vent tube coming off the valve cover you will never get dirt up there. It always has pressure, never a vacume. The restriction of a filter could cause other oil leaks do to the build up of pressure in the motor.

Tony, I know there a link and price somewhere to your kit, but I kinda lazy right now...

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240415 and can be bought at www.allseasondieselperformance.com (http://www.allseasondieselperformance.com)

thanks!

do you still sell just the fittings, or only the whole kits?

do you still sell just the fittings, or only the whole kits?I have just the fittings listed on the site.

Here is something made for a PowerStroke, but it should be adaptable:
http://www.dieselperformance.com/index.php/product/index/152P

i contacted them, and they said i could buy the separation cannister and the oil catch can for about 220 then i can plumb it in with some light duty hyd hoses...

I was refering to the plastic bottle with holes drilled in it to vent under the hood.

I am also working on a closed system that will pass smog testing.

Tony I have had your re-route kit for a liitle over a year. I have no problems and really like the workmanship. Although, I would love to have a "closed system" to complete your re-route kit. I'm very happy to hear you are working on "closed system", any idea how much and more important, when your "closed system" will be ready for sell?

Also, the system you are working on going to be as elaborate as the Ford set up is? I really like it but $220 sure is a lot of money. I'm hopeing yours will be something like the Fords set uo, but less expensive. If you need a genie pig to try out your finished product let me know :D

Thanks...

Also, the system you are working on going to be as elaborate as the Ford set up is? I really like it but $220 sure is a lot of money. I'm hopeing yours will be something like the Fords set uo, but less expensive. If you need a genie pig to try out your finished product let me know :D

the COMPLETE pcv system for the ford(http://www.dieselperformance.com/ind...uct/index/152P (http://www.dieselperformance.com/ind...uct/index/152P)) is $335. JUST the parts i mentioned ( the oil seperator and the catch can) is $220. i hope tony can make a cheaper kit, but i cant see it being under $200. if he can i'll buy one !!!:D

The closed system kit I would def be game for and if it can pass smog all the better.

The closed system kit I would def be game for and if it can pass smog all the better.

Indeed, I needed one of these yesterday.

With the EGR blocker and Hotter Tune, the Rosmella oil is just to much to handle with a catch can, and I have 4 pails of it in the garage. So its either buy a stock crossover pipe thingy or get this. :eek:

EDIT: The stock crossover is out, its $425bux retail from GM, **** that noise.

the COMPLETE pcv system for the ford(http://www.dieselperformance.com/ind...uct/index/152P (http://www.dieselperformance.com/ind...uct/index/152P)) is $335. JUST the parts i mentioned ( the oil seperator and the catch can) is $220. i hope tony can make a cheaper kit, but i cant see it being under $200. if he can i'll buy one !!!:D

I understand for $220 you only get the parts you mentioned, but the only thing you will really need more is some hoses and a couple of clamps. Less than $50.00

I agree, I hope Tony can get this built under the $200 mark, but it's going to be hard!! I would diffenetly buy one if Tony is able to do it. If not, in all probability, I'll end up buying the Ford set up. Honestly it does look nice and would give it the OME look.

Indeed, I needed one of these yesterday.

With the EGR blocker and Hotter Tune, the Rosmella oil is just to much to handle with a catch can, and I have 4 pails of it in the garage. So its either buy a stock crossover pipe thingy or get this. :eek:

EDIT: The stock crossover is out, its $425bux retail from GM, **** that noise.

Damn Dude...I threw mine away. Wish I would have kept it now :confused:

Damn Dude...I threw mine away. Wish I would have kept it now :confused:
I have some of those in stock for a lot less ;)

I am not sure what all is entailed in a "closed" system...but this set up that I bought, produces no oily residue, no odor and looks good to boot..in my opinion of course & cause I'm a tad biased eh.!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340554

Rgds,

stk

I am not sure what all is entailed in a "closed" system...but this set up that I bought, produces no oily residue, no odor and looks good to boot..in my opinion of course & cause I'm a tad biased eh.!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340554

Rgds,

stk

That is sick looking. I have never seen such a set up. I might have to give them a call. I still don't see the re-route kit on their site...they are still saling them....yes???

I think like you. :cool: I will spend a little bit extra money to make my ride look nice and functional!!

I just put a closed system on my LMM http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348964
I hope it will be "overlooked if it needs smog check but it is closed and has a oil drain which I will moniter for awhile and see how much and how fast it fills , I tries to make it look factory but I need some spring type hose clamps to complete the look.

Very clean install. I agree, looks very OME. One question: is there anyway to mount your reservoir any lower...kind of hide it a little? It way it's not so noticeable.

But still, great job!!

I had a heck of a time finding a good spot , I have a instruction sticker with a GM look to it being made and if I can find some factory style clamps I think nobody would even give it a thought and it is a completly closed system. after I see how much it needs to hold in a given time I might try some other ideas.Thanks!

Very clean install. I agree, looks very OME. One question: is there anyway to mount your reservoir any lower...kind of hide it a little? It way it's not so noticeable.

I got the fittings from SPI, very sexy. I mounted the Oil Catch can to the RH FWD Cab Mount Bracket. That way it's easy to drain during an oil change & I won't smell it with the window open.