SOURCE (http://www.gminsidenews.com/futureguide1.htm)

"After that, the aging Silverado line will get a redesign in 2007 (GMT-900). Expect the usual increases in chassis strength, towing ability, and interior quality. Expect Chevy's current scowling look to look more "big rig" a.k.a Dodge Ram An optional 7.5L V10 powertrain will be added."

SOURCE (http://www.gminsidenews.com/futureguide1.htm)

"After that, the aging Silverado line will get a redesign in 2007 (GMT-900). Expect the usual increases in chassis strength, towing ability, and interior quality. Expect Chevy's current scowling look to look more "big rig" a.k.a Dodge Ram An optional 7.5L V10 powertrain will be added."

I HOPE they don't look like the current Dodge sheet metal,what a -:t

Have you really looked at it,crap if you ask me.

I HOPE they don't look like the current Dodge sheet metal,what a -:t

Have you really looked at it,crap if you ask me.


hehe .... read it and weep Mackypoo. Don't worry, a swing towards the Dodge look is a good thing for GM truck styling. I mean.. really.. what have they been thinking?

:phatyo: :stirthepo

If you search that site, I believe it is under the rumors section, you will read that GM scraped the V-10 for a supercharged ls V-8

William

Cool, Hoot's been checking out gminsidenews.com. He must be going to trade in the goat on a new Chevy in '07!):h

EVERY new truck to come out since 1994 has been "rumored to have a big rig look" like the Dodge Ram

Everyone fails to mention that Dodge copied the "big rig look". :stirthepo

Not to mention GMC was one of the first American "big rig" manufactures. So, who's copying who? :D

Everyone fails to mention that Dodge copied the "big rig look". :stirthepo

Not to mention GMC was one of the first American "big rig" manufactures. So, who's copying who? :D

:exactly:

Ever notice how the 1954 Chevrolet Truck and the Dodge Ram look a lot alike?:eek:

hoot even you must say their are a few similarities, looks, hood, the ride:lol:



Ever notice how the 1954 Chevrolet Truck and the Dodge Ram look a lot alike?:eek:

:Wedgie: Boy oh boy you guys getting all worked up about styling. Whatever Dodge did, they did good :ro)

If Dodge's styling is so great, then why are they still a distant third in sales?

GM will be lucky to still be in business by 2007 from what ive seen on the news...

Ever notice how the 1954 Chevrolet Truck and the Dodge Ram look a lot alike?:eek:

Yea they make the same power too.):h

GM will be lucky to still be in business by 2007 from what ive seen on the news...

Media Hype! Research what Fiat did to GM is the first quarter. GM, We'll be there!:ro)

If Dodge's styling is so great, then why are they still a distant third in sales?

For that matter how did the F150 outsell the Silverado for so many years. It's looked like an ugly upsidedown spoon.

GM will be lucky to still be in business by 2007 from what ive seen on the news...

GM is not going any where,it is just working up to SCREW all the working people out of their retirement money and health care.


CALLED FOLLOWING THE LEADER!!!!

I found the article about it!

MSBSC Newswire, Detroit - In a bold attempt to steal market share away from Dodge, General Motors is totally revamping the 2007 Silverado to be more attractive to Dodge owners. Some of the more important changes:

Renaming the Silverado to an animal name to be more Dodge Ram friendly. Tentative name is the Gelding.

Removal of 2 cylinders to mimic the vibration of the Dodge. To emulate the Dodge's mileage and emissions, the 2 left-over injectors will just be plugged into the exhaust instead.

Redesign of front end to trap more air. GM's goal is to make the Gelding have the same aerodynamics as a barndoor, hence assisting high fuel consumption, and reducing top speed to make Dodge owners feel at home. The first attempt was a direct copy of the Dodge's nose section, but it raised protests from dairy farmers. Apparently it was so ugly it caused the cows to give sour milk. After softening the look somewhat, it reduced the sour milk production 25%.

Increasing the warranty to 100 years or 10,000,000mi. While the average truck owner only keeps a truck for 100,000mi, Dodge owners believe their trucks should last longer than human civilization will, so the new warranty will continue to lull them into a sense of false security.

...

Roflmao!

I found the article about it!



LOL!

Sounds like something GM would do.

Will "Gelding" purchasers be required to certify previous ownership of a Dodg3 product, maybe a Slant /6 ?

Maybe, Quit - Deed, their First Born?

Idahofox

I found the article about it!
That was too funny!!!!

:lol: Pat, you did it again! Too funny!

That was too funny...im dieing of laughter!! "making the aerodynamics similar to a barn door will make dodge owners feel right at home" hahahahahha

---Ben

That was too funny...im dieing of laughter!! "making the aerodynamics similar to a barn door will make dodge owners feel right at home" hahahahahha

---Ben


aerodynamics ....

I'm sure the GM has a little better CD but at what expense :bling:

You guys dont have nothing to actually knock about dodge so ya gotta make stuff up, hillarious:anitoof:

You guys dont have nothing to actually knock about dodge so ya gotta make stuff up, hillarious:anitoof:

Oh, you mean like the fact that GM and <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Ford WAY</st1:address></st1:Street> out sell them? Or that the only good thing about a Dodge truck is that some of them come with a Cummins, for now anyway.... Dodge is what they've always been, a company struggling to make it... Yeah they got a lot of hype and promote themselves well, but they still don't have a quality product that lasts. You dodge guys talk all kind of smack about how great dodge is, but if they are how come they needed to be bailed out so many times? How come they've change hands so many times? How come their ownership was eventually exported? <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region> got tiered of bailing them out...now they're someone else’s problem. Next time Dodge crashes and burns you guys better hope the German government is as giving as ours has been...<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Oh, you mean like the fact that GM and <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Ford WAY</st1:address></st1:Street> out sell them? Or that the only good thing about a Dodge truck is that some of them come with a Cummins, for now anyway.... Dodge is what they've always been, a company struggling to make it... Yeah they got a lot of hype and promote themselves well, but they still don't have a quality product that lasts. You dodge guys talk all kind of smack about how great dodge is, but if they are how come they needed to be bailed out so many times? How come they've change hands so many times? How come their ownership was eventually exported? <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region> got tiered of bailing them out...now they're someone else’s problem. Next time Dodge crashes and burns you guys better hope the German government is as giving as ours has been...<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>


I still haven't figured out what's wrong with my Dodge....

At least they didn't go to Japan for the diesel. Not only that, they were smart enough to choose Cummins. Something GM was to proud to do. After bumbling for countless years they finally outsource the diesel and still end up with a time bomb. GM has a full history of wanna be diesels. You say GM is outselling Dodge diesels? Yea? add up all the diesels Dodge has sold over the last 20 years and put that number up next to GM.:stirthepo

You read into the misconception as most others do. The F-150 has never out sold the Silverado. It is the entire F-Series (That means all 1/2 tons up to and including the F-550`s heck the way Ford does there books, they probably include the F-9000`s as well) not the 1/2 tons. -:t For that matter how did the F150 outsell the Silverado for so many years. It's looked like an ugly upsidedown spoon.

:muahaha: Now that is the truth!! I sure hope they don't take dodges approach!! I like the more squared off look of the chevy. the dodge looks out of date, and yes it looks alot like a 50's model chevy. Ever looked at the dashboard of a early 60's model corvette and still wonder how Ford got the mustang dashboard?

I hate to say it but I was at my dealer yesterday and they had a HHL. It kinda looked like a PT Crusier....:eek:

hey I don't like it either! That idea has come way too late, it should have came out about the same time as teh pt and the hhr.

At least they didn't go to Japan for the diesel. :stirthepo I don't mean to get in the middle of this pissing contest but , gee..... Isn't the Dodge Ram actually made in Mexico? My engine was made in Ohio.

I don't mean to get in the middle of this pissing contest but , gee..... Isn't the Dodge Ram actually made in Mexico? My engine was made in Ohio.

Your engine is partially machined and fully assembled in Ohio. The heads come as castings from Japan and are finish machined at Dmax in Moraine, Ohio. Your block is cast in Germany, finish machined and the cylinder walls are induction hardened at Dmax. Your crank comes cast and rough machined from Japan. Dmax LTD finish machines the crank and nitride hardens it. Your rods I beleive come from Japan and are finish machined, hardened and fractured at Dmax. The injection system is German and I believe made in the states.

My truck was assembled just over the border in Mexico... close to all the GM plants. ;) My engine was built IN the US. Walesboro, Indiana is the Cummins engine plant that supplies the Dodge Ram pickup.

Last I heard they were moving assy of all heavy duty diesels to St. Louis (Mo.) North Assembly Plant.

Last I heard they were moving assy of all heavy duty diesels to St. Louis (Mo.) North Assembly Plant.
Last I heard they were going to scrap the Cummins and put in a German made Mercedes engine in the Imported Mexican pickups. Where's the automatic tranny come from? China? They hold up really well. ;)

Check out the new gm commercial, the one spouting on about all the new cars, if you watch closely you can see a truck covered out with a beige body wrap. It flashes by quick, IIRC there was a yukon too. Looked to be reminiseint of the late fifties trucks, not a cattle pushing front like the dogs, but with some curves and flow to the fenders ( coulda just been a SSR too I guess) Have a look and see what you all think ( are they sneeking out a peek for us?)


oh on a side note three more years til all dodges are time bombs too

You seem to know a lot about the Duramax, or do you?

And since you want to tell us so much about the Duramax, why not tell us where the Cummins is made, and assembled? I have read/heard that it is built over seas. Is this true? (EU?)

Your engine is partially machined and fully assembled in Ohio. The heads come as castings from Japan and are finish machined at Dmax in Moraine, Ohio. Your block is cast in Germany, finish machined and the cylinder walls are induction hardened at Dmax. Your crank comes cast and rough machined from Japan. Dmax LTD finish machines the crank and nitride hardens it. Your rods I beleive come from Japan and are finish machined, hardened and fractured at Dmax. The injection system is German and I believe made in the states.

My truck was assembled just over the border in Mexico... close to all the GM plants. ;) My engine was built IN the US. Walesboro, Indiana is the Cummins engine plant that supplies the Dodge Ram pickup.

Last I heard they were moving assy of all heavy duty diesels to St. Louis (Mo.) North Assembly Plant.

Well, I don't know what type of sheet metal changes Chevy will make.....but it has to be better than the current 'Avalanche' look......boy, I am glad I bought an '02......otherwise it would have been a GMC for me.

Since Robert Lutz http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2005/01/lutz_biography_1.html joined GM he has copied much of what made him successful at Chrysler especially the designs. Until GM wisens up and cans this idiot they will look more and more like Dodges. Instead of competing against the "foreign" car companies we are still fighting amongst the "Big 3". Dumb. The "Big 3" are all loosing market share. Lets go after the ones who are gaining.

You seem to know a lot about the Duramax, or do you?

And since you want to tell us so much about the Duramax, why not tell us where the Cummins is made, and assembled? I have read/heard that it is built over seas. Is this true? (EU?)


Apparently you're from overseas being you can't read :lol:


The Dodge auto (48RE) is holding it's own quite well. You see almost NO posts or complaints in the couple years it's been in service. Dodge made some improvements that addressed the main issues and they have paid off. It's no Allison but it's reliable.

Apparently you're from overseas being you can't read :lol:


The Dodge auto (48RE) is holding it's own quite well. You see almost NO posts or complaints in the couple years it's been in service. Dodge made some improvements that addressed the main issues and they have paid off. It's no Allison but it's reliable.

I guess nether of us can read! I mentioned the Cummins, and you reply about the tranny;)

Where was the Cummins designed? USA, or over seas? (The 5.9L) I have heard/read that it is not a true Cummins, that it was a joint venture. Is this true? If so, why is it not talked about like the Duramax is?

I guess nether of us can read! I mentioned the Cummins, and you reply about the tranny;)

Where was the Cummins designed? USA, or over seas? (The 5.9L) I have heard/read that it is not a true Cummins, that it was a joint venture. Is this true? If so, why is it not talked about like the Duramax is?



The B series was started in 1983 as a joint venture between Case Equipment Company and Cummins (Consolidated Diesel Corp). The 3.9 and 5.9 were designed to be interchangable, with the same accessory mounts and many shared internal and external parts. Case equipment before the Cummins venture was powered by Case or other engines.

1981 Case and Cummins Engine Co. announce their major joint venture, Consolidated Diesel Company, to produce fuel-efficient 50 to 250 HP diesel engines at a plant near Rocky Mount, North Carolina.

It was designed as agriculture use and was also designed for 3rd world use. (crap fuel, poor maintenance, shoddy operation) one of the reasons that the B is a strong engine and takes quite alot to kill it.

The Cummins engine was designed as a turbo powerplant from the block up just like every heavy-duty diesel engine Cummins builds. It went into production in late 1984 for such heavy-duty applications as combines, tractors, road graders, loaders, cranes, and crawlers.

All cut and pastes from various sources.

Mike..... it's the only real diesel in a pickup truck.

I have to agree with hoot on this one, Cummins is the best diesel out there out of any of the three light duty diesel's. Cummins makes a great engine, The rest of what Dodge produces is less desireable but at least their powerplant they got right. I personally am not a big fan of their huge front end styling but the '03-04 Chevy's aren't any better. At least the '05's and 06's look a little better and GMC seems to have a good looking truck. The Duramax seems to be getting better and stronger and hopefully GM will get back on the right track with the HD styling.

Hoot is also correct as to the B engine being a joint venture by Cummins and Case. Las Vegas installed a massaged new 6BTAA Case/Cummins in my 84 GMC CC4X4 Dually in 85 (was 6.2 Banks Turbo) with dual Gear Vendor OD's for towing 43' enclosed race car trailer. Drove it 300,000 miles in 8 years without a single engine problem, and it is still going today for someone else towing horse trailers with over 600,000 on it I am told. Great, powerful, NOISY engine. 4L80E trannys didn't hold up too well unless you changed torque converters every 40K. The engine was developed for Case backhoes and 1 ton bread truck applications, and most of them have led a long, uneventful life. The engine has been built in several different power and HP configuarations over the years.

The third gen's in the new Dodges are as, if not quieter than the Dmax.

The 3.9 (4 Cyl) version is in just about every Case backhoe you see. And my joking about them using them in potato chip trucks is true. The noisy box trucks used to deliver bread and snacks often have Cummins 3.9's in them.

The 3.9 is very hard on the drivetrain specifically clutches. It's puts out pulsed torque that beats up splines and gears. The 5.9 six banger is much smoother and today it's quite refined.

And it stays cool.

It may not be as refined as the Dmax or the new PSD but I'll take the reliability and the new found upgradability.

Mike..... it's the only real diesel in a pickup truck.

Mine runs pretty good on piss an vinegar;)
Only real diesel -:t

Come on guys....Hoots an old friend to this site and everyone wants to beat him up. He probably knows more about the DMax than 3/4 of the people here. We all suffer from the occasional lapse in judgement. I came home with a tattoo after a long day of drinking. He came home with a Dodge. At least his is easier to get rid of...or maybe not?

Truth is painful but sooner or later..... :deal: you actually look at things from out of the box.

hdmax.... It's not what I think, it's basic facts. You have engines designed for pickup trucks and you have one designed for commercila construction equipment and med duty trucks. That is what I mean by real diesel. Yes the DMax and the PSD'd are real diesels. Just pokin