Got 29k on the stockers.........not too shabby.

They seem to drive fine.......

I guess this will be a "replace when flat" type deal.

These tires dont have a tendancy to blow, do they?

ridin around on tires like that is dangerous not only to you but others on the road....good God man....get em replaced!

I take it doesn't rain much out there.
dpower is right, that is dangerous.
Don't be cheap, go buy some tires.

But these are paid for.........:o:

You think they will blow?

Why take that chance, If you got pulled over up here with those, you would get a nice fine. I don't know how it is out there?
You have to think of worst case seneario(sp?) with things like that.
Do you have kids?

CA could care less if our tires are bald. Kinda wierd how that goes. Diesel vehicles have NO inspections at all, gassers only have smog checks. No other inspections at all.

No kids, but if I did things would be different.

Im stupid, a few months ago I ended up doing a 180 into a snowbank in UT after hitting some unexpected weather/black ice.........But Im not altogether sure if tires would have made a difference in my particular case.......

Manny, please tell me you aren't stupid enough to really drive on those. That's just irresponsible.

Go spend the $600-800 bucks before you regret it.....

Tom

Manny....you are now the cheapest guy I know..
You don't re-use condoms too, do you? :eek: ):h

I don't think that's that bad not that smart its not like he has to worry about the weather.

I have driven down to the steel belt on more than one tire, and have never had a blowout on them. In fact, the only blowouts Ive ever had were on pretty good looking tires......

They do fine in the rain. Solid. The TDI, on the other hand, even with a bit more tread on its tires is a mess in the rain. I have gotten wheelspin at 65 mph in the rain just by stepping on it.

All my buddies call me a cheap skate, and I too am the cheapest guy I know..........

If I was towing or if I had a heavy load Ide look into getting new tires, but this is a light trip...

Lets hope these arent my last few posts.........:cool:

I've had much worse than that on my BMW. I wore a hole right through one on the rear. It was a tire that had wore badly on the inside so I put it on the back. It was about 3 months later that it blew as I was getting off the highway. Didn't even notice that the belts had worn through. Bought all new tires after that!!!!!

Hey Manny, be sure to annihilate them before you buy new tires with your new VA box.:) :ro)

Hey, good idear.......:ro)

Hah, mine are BAD too.. look like drag tires cause they are so worn out, will snap pics when I get home

I've run tires with almost no tread. I knew I needed tires when I broke traction at 55 mph in the rain.:eek: A different truck had the steel belts hanging out and left a nice trail of sparks at night.

Run 'em 'till you se the air!!):h

Manny/CowDoc/Jeli/C6.6,

Glad to see I'm not the only one just a little startled at your posts on this thread. Once in a while I'll read posts like these, put my sense of humor to the side, and do a little preaching. ;)

It is incumbent upon all of us to not only operate our vehicles in a safe manner but to maintain them in a safe operational condition as well. We are driving around in very heavy vehicles (7-8k lbs), the average vehicle on the road today weighs in at much less. Much like the over-the-road truckers we have an added responsibility to always put safety at the forefront when operating our vehicles. ;)

I'm normally one of the first to have a good laugh and joke with the boyz on the DP. I also go to great extremes to not offend people on this site. Expressing opinions are one thing, but when people endorse irresponsible behavior that may result in tragedy I'll take the risk and maybe step on a few toes. :o:

While it is fun to "pile on" and "talk the talk" on the DP the reality on this thread is Manny needs tires, yesterday! We shouldn't endorse, even imply endorsement or encourage him to play russian roulette every time he drives his vehicle, not with his life or anyone elses. I'm confident none of you really wants the injury or death of someone on your conscious just to "have bragging rights" on running tires to the belts. :mad: Not too late to set er' straight! :)

As you likely can tell this one hits a little close to home for Mama JJ and myself. Several years back we lost a very dear friend when she lost control of her vehicle on "dry" pavement on a mountain interstate road in West Virginia. She slammed into the guard rail, the seat belt snapped her aeorta(?), and she bled to death internally on the side of the road. :( Fortunately her two children were not seriously injured, but they watched their mother die in that vehicle. Her husband has never gotten over his guilt for not putting new tires on her vehicle before she made that trip. Any of you want to venture a guess at why her vehicle lost contact with the road on dry pavement? :confused: West Virginia Highway Patrol accident report stated "insufficient tire tread" as the cause. Got your attention yet? :mad:

Yes, you certainly are due an award for bald tires, but not the kind you were likely thinking of getting! :badidea: No flaming here, but a pretty firm admonishment to put SAFETY FIRST! Keep the slicks at the track, put the tread on the road! Amen! JJ's out! :)

JJ, I totally agree with you. The little incedent I had with my car made me realize how dangerous it is to try and get every thousandth of an inch of tread off my tires. The thing with my car is, you really have to almost crawl under the car to see the inside of the tire tread. The outside edge looked really good so I didn't bother to look any further. That doesn't excuse my negligence at all. I have learned a valuable lesson rather cheap, not the hard way as the poor woman and children you mentioned.:Nonono:

JJ, I know you are correct.......no offense taken.

Kinda like when you know what the right thing to do is, yet you just cannot seem to make yourself do it.......

Im a tightwad, I need to feel like there is no life left in those things before I move on.

But I sure wont be speeding.

Hats off to you'z guys! Manny, I've always err'd on the side of changing them a bit early versus running them to slicks! I figure I'd rather pay for tires than my insurance deductible if I can't stop on a slick road and nail somone. ;)

Don't get me wrong, ol' JJ can squeeze a dollar as good as most. But when it comes to safety, especially if Mama JJ is operating that vehicle, I take no chances! TireRack.com is only a click away! ):h JJ :)

I thought the more rubber you had on the road (in dry conditions) the better as far as traction. I thought that the grooves were for channeling water in wet conditions. Am I wrong? Of course grooved tires that are slick are thin and possible dangerous in that regard but still have more traction.

DISCLAIMER: I'm no tire expert, but a do a sh_tload of reading! :rolleyes: So this is what I think I know! ):h

mhollifi poses an interesting question. :confused: One might figure that since race cars drive on slicks at high speeds that passenger cars should be able to do the same. Unfortunately as I mentioned earlier this can be a deadly assumption! :o: I have to believe the compounds used in making racing slicks versus those for passenger/light truck tires are not one and the same. As passenger/light truck tires "deteriorate" over many thousands of miles their operating characteristics and structural integrity change. Racing slicks generally run a few hundred miles and then disposed of.

The tread not only channels water on wet pavements, it also vents heat away from the tire and provides traction, or grip to the road for steering and braking. Ever notice that certain tires grip the road better than others? Traction tires have compounds in the tread that make them stick to the road, almost like sticky glue, you can actually hear them gripping the pavement.

Now take a high mileage, quiet tire and you won't hear them near as much, but you normally won't have near the traction either. Suffice to say there are tires for differing applications. Point here is the tread just doesn't channel away water. ;) When you run a passenger tire down to no tread you are not running on racing slicks, more likely balloons. :eek:

I did find an article on the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) site that discussed bald tires.

Tire tread provides the gripping action and traction that prevent a vehicle from slipping and sliding, especially when the road is wet or icy. In general, tires are not safe and should be replaced when the tread is worn down to 1/16th of an inch. Tires have built-in treadwear indicators that let a motorist know when they should be replaced. These indicators are raised sections spaced intermittently in the bottom of the tread grooves. When they appear “even” with the outside of the tread, it’s time for tire replacement.

OK, that's JJ's .02 cents worth, where's the freakin' tire experts out there? :D

JJ, I agree with you about safety first. No offense taken. Keep the good posts going. Not only do I haul vauable horses around to rodeo's, but I also haul the most valuable cargo of all......my family!! Just having a little fun.

Got 29k on the stockers.........not too shabby.

They seem to drive fine.......

I guess this will be a "replace when flat" type deal.

These tires dont have a tendancy to blow, do they?

Previous Post by mannytranny.

The point is to follow the letter of the law all the time. You will get nailed if you can be deemed one teeny bit negligent.

A while back there was a death out on I10 that involved a Fseries truck and a toyhauler. A guy was speeding and rear ended another car or something to that effect. The CHP suspected that the Ford was overloaded, so they took the thing (that had rolled a few times) and weighed it in pieces and found that the truck was overloaded. The driver was sued for negligence manslaughter, hell be in jail for a few (dozen) years, not to mention the loss of every earthly item he ever had.

I know we are all guilty of it here and there, but being overloaded is just about as stupid as not wearing a seatbelt.

Negligence is a lawyers favorite word...........

What say you manny ?

Idahofox

Manny those are fine. You have at least 50k left on those. If I were you I'd drive them like they were new, in the rain, over the speed limit, whatever. Don't sweat it, I read someplace that slightly worn tires work better on ice, check it out.

.....No kids, but if I did things would be different.....

How about Other Peoples Kids, ????

Idahofox

JJ, no-offense taken. My post was looking back when I was young dumb and full a sumthing or other!!!! I actually had to agrue with my wife to put new tires on her van even though she didn't feel the need.

We all have a different perspective. I normally don't wear my seatbelt. One day I passed two dudes in a truck, wearing their seatbelts, passing a joint. Who's more wrong??? ps, I still don't wear my seatbelt.

If you keep driving around on those & something happens, I wouldn't worry about the bald tires award, you will get dumbass of the year.

Do yourself & everybody on the roads with you a favor, stop being cheap & buy some friggin tires. END OF STORY!!!!

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Originally Posted by mannytranny
Got 29k on the stockers.........not too shabby.

They seem to drive fine.......

I guess this will be a "replace when flat" type deal.

These tires dont have a tendancy to blow, do they?



Previous Post by mannytranny.

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Originally Posted by mannytranny
The point is to follow the letter of the law all the time. You will get nailed if you can be deemed one teeny bit negligent.

A while back there was a death out on I10 that involved a Fseries truck and a toyhauler. A guy was speeding and rear ended another car or something to that effect. The CHP suspected that the Ford was overloaded, so they took the thing (that had rolled a few times) and weighed it in pieces and found that the truck was overloaded. The driver was sued for negligence manslaughter, hell be in jail for a few (dozen) years, not to mention the loss of every earthly item he ever had.

I know we are all guilty of it here and there, but being overloaded is just about as stupid as not wearing a seatbelt.

Negligence is a lawyers favorite word...........



What say you manny ?

Idahofox



:exactly:
Seems a bit contradictory.

Also let it be noted that seatbelts take lives, as noted by JJ and in many other similar stories of broken necks or drowning. I am sorry for your loss JJ, and I don't type this to upset you, but it does prove a point. Get flung from the vehicle, or get crushed in the cab, what's the difference, I die either way.

Just when I thought this discussion couldn't get any better.... :D

I'll take safety threads over squeaky belts, tire rotations, mpgs, etc.... anyday of the week because it impacts us all. Even though our friend died in a freak accident due to the seatbelt ol JJ still wears his. She actually slid sideways into the guard rail. The seatbelt restrained her from slamming into the side of the car, unfortunately it was placed too high towards her neck versus over her shoulder and literally snapped her aeorta(need to check spelling). :o:

We can take a few freakish accidents like hers and make a case for not wearing seat belts but the statistics wouldn't support us. ;) If she were alive today I assure you she would buckle up and ask you to as well. Fact is seatbelts save many more lives than they take. With the advent of airbags some have gotten complacent about wearing them, bad news IMHO. :(

Every accident, bar none, has an affect upon all of us either physically, emotionally or financially. Insurance companies use accident statistics to determine/defend how much they charge us for insurance. The more accidents/fatalities in your city the higher your rates, simple! We don't even want to discuss the health care costs associated with long term care from an auto accident, lawyers, .... So we're kind of in this thing together! :)

Didn't mean to hijack the original thread. Manny, need any tire advice? :rolleyes: Good discussion. JJ :)

I don't know HOW those tires don't hydro plane in the rain.

I got down to <3/16 thread left and I've had my BFG AT hydro plane in heavy rain, puts your stomach in your throat, turn the wheel and she still goes straight.

Stopped on the way home from work and got new rubbers put on.

BTW, I gave them to Tomac to finish at the tracks.

I wouldn't run tires that worn out on a farm wagon.

Since the seatbelt thing was brought up.
I have been in two accidents where We/I where better off without them. One the door opened and I landed in the ditch at 55mph a little soar but fine. My friend seatbelt on, got slammed into the door broken arm and a concussion. Second, I rolled my Blazer with four people in no seatbelts. The roof smashed enough to break the seats one girl had a small cut on her finger.

I take a lot of ribbing from the wife and friends because I'm kinda anal about tires.

I put on winter treads for the winter. That puts me in the 5% category, I guess. And I would never run the tires down to what Manny is doing.

I figure a couple of things into the expensive decision to run good tires:

1) I have kids and I don't want to have to explain how I knew better but didn't make the right decision based on a couple hundred bucks;

2) As stated above, I would assume liability for negligent behavior. Too many smart lawyers and insurance companies these days.

3) WTF, I pay $40k for a truck and won't spend $700 to re-tire? That's just retarded.

I'm not calling judgement on anyone here, but that's how I make my tire decisions. My wife and I travel on good skins all the time because I feel it's that important. They're the only thing coupling you to the road. And we have both been in some really bad stuff, and in some cases we've been the only vehicles moving along safely.

Lastly, have you ever noticed how many times it's the "one-off" or "freak" thing that becomes the one final ounce that breaks the camel's back?.....i.e., tire pressure down, no tread, you're in a goofy traffic situation, and there's an instant thunderstorm. Some people call that "freak," when in all reality it was simply something that could happen on any given day and wasn't planned for. I mean, what's happening is, people are ignoring what might happen and simply hoping for the best. I think many people get "fat, dumb, and happy" and want to cry "victim" when something happens, when in fact, they're kinda bumping through life without ever really thinking.

If a meteorite drops out of the sky and hits you, well, your number was up, and you are a victim. Knowingly taking risks on bald tires....you're not.

Plan for the worst and be happy that it never happens.

Of course you could buy $1000.00 worth of brand new tires and then have your wife drive the damn thing over a nail like mine did in the Impala. . . . to top it off, . . . when I bought the tires I said I didn't need the warranty . . . "What could happen, how many times do you need the warranty on a brand new tire?" . . . . . usually only right after you say something stupid like that!

Dennis

Dozerboy,

First I'm glad you and your friends were not hurt, very lucky. But for every "if I'd been wearing a seat belt story" ask any state trooper who will likely match you with 20 stories of people he/she has pulled from cars, trees, roofs, etc., that weren't wearing seat belts. :o:

This is a safety issue and very close to ol JJ's heart. We started out talking about bald tires, I think Manny and others have heard enough about that. Now let's talk about seat belts for a moment. ;)

Those of us with some age under our belts have lived long enough to see the worst that can happen to people, even when they appear to be on safe ground. Sh_t happens! :exactly: Personally I don't want to see any post on the DP where any of you has "bought the farm" due to negligence, especially with all the intel on this site. Drive Safely= Buckle up! Later. JJ :)

When going to college I belonged to a small town volunteer fire department. Talking one day with the lead EMT, he made a statement that made me start wearing seatbelts. His comment was "I never cut a dead body from a seat belt yet".

For me...enough said! Remember...in a lot of states, the law is click it or ticket.

Be safe!

MaxRock

Even with my past experiences anyone that rides with me wares there seatbelt 99% of the time now days. More than anything I know they save lives especially the way the nuts here in Socal drive.

Wow, I go on a trip (1200 miles, no tire trouble) and I see page 3 has turned into a Manny bash. (I guess some of you hold a grudge? :cool:)

Oh well.

And as it turned out, I did hit a bit of rain (mist really, and rare for us) and the tires were perfect. NO TROUBLE.

See, just like everything else, tire manufacturers have these things set up so theres a fat safety barrier between the time where the wear markers are flat and when the tire is acually bad.

Like I said, Ive run tires down like that more than once before in my life, and Im still here to talk about it......

Dangit, just when we thought we had settled this, MannyTranny comes along and post . :o: Manny, your post: JJ, I know you are correct.......no offense taken. Kinda like when you know what the right thing to do is, yet you just cannot seem to make yourself do it....... Im a tightwad, I need to feel like there is no life left in those things before I move on. But I sure wont be speeding.

Did I miss something? I don't see any reason for any of these guys to hold a grudge, unless there is more to some of these posts than meets the eye? :confused:

It doesn't matter that you drove 3 miles or 3000 miles without "an event" it still wouldn't change many, if any of our opinions. You are playing russian roulette, not only with your own life but others that are either in your vehicle or just unfortunate enough to be in "the wrong place at the wrong time" when those tires finally "give you your final penny's worth". :mad:

So you are a tightwad eh? :rolleyes: So everything to you has to be weighed against costs since safety doesn't seem to be high on the list! :o: You my friend may have met your match when it comes to justifying things and squeezing the most out of a dollar. Get your calculator out, we may need it. ):h

I know you have noticed how much easier a vehicle steers after you replace worn out tires with new tires. True, true! :D Fact is, bald tires place additional stress/strain on the suspension components: idle arms, cambers, etc. which results in their premature failure. Cost to replace these components: $800 minimum

The additional strain on the power steering pump not only works it harder but places additional strain on the serpentine belt causing it to deteriorate faster. Cost to replace these components due to premature wear: $400 ($350 pump/$50 belt)

The rolling resistance of a bald tire is double that of one with tread which negatively impacts fuel economy. This cost you money on a regular basis, tightwads should really like this! :D Let's say you get 2mpg better fuel economy with newer tires, per tankful that is 60 miles further out of each tank. In a year you will have driven an additional 3000 miles further than on the bald tires. At 15mpg average that's 200 gallons of fuel you didn't have to buy at an average of $2.40 per gallon you've saved $480:exactly: . You have just saved $1680, minus $800 for tires you are still up by $880. Weehaa! You still get to keep your "tightwad" reputation and delay numerous truck repairs for a few more years. YOU ARE WELCOME! Now :grd: or ol JJ may have to open up a can of "wupp ass". ):h

On a more serious note. The insurance deductible for you and your family members $2000-$4000, paying for an attorney ($10,000+++), numerous Chiropractic appointments ($5000), time lost from work(???), pain and suffering, funeral expenses, etc. You get the drift! JJ's said all he is going to on this thread. My gut can't take it! -:t Later. JJ :)

JJ, I was not referring to you, but rather BERK and ImahoFox. As usual they blur the lines between the subject of discussion, and personal shots.

Ill put on some new rubber sometime soon.

I just think that tire shops/tires are one of the biggest ripoffs out there. So I hold out.........

Answer me this then......what tire should I get that will last at least 60k miles, be good for economy, All terrain, and not a load of cash. also in the 265 size.........

I'm glad none of you guys saw my tire;) Although they were a bit worn and I figured I dont want to ditch tires that still have any tread left ;)

"I'll put on some new rubber sometime soon."

You ain't getting off that easy! :D Given the facts and figures I gave you above there is no reason to hold off on getting the tires.
If/when you are ready to :grd: PM me and I'll gladly help you find some for the right price. JJ :)

Your my hero! got your money's worth.

Answer me this then......what tire should I get that will last at least 60k miles, be good for economy, All terrain, and not a load of cash. also in the 265 size.........
Manny, Manny, Manny! If any one of these guys/gals here at DP had the answer to that, I think we all would be buying a set. Trust me, I too squeeze the buffalo till it $#!+$ nickels, but tires are a necesity, not an inconvenience! Just get tires that you can afford, from a reputable manufacturer, and fit your purpose! JJ's right. I think you will see a big difference in handling and fuel mileage, plus you will get to show off your new meats here on DP and tell us about the deal you got.
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Well, I should say that the rears are still above the wear markers. Just a bit though.

I am looking around for deals, and these tire salesman are masters of mystification.

The Pot calling the Kettle black ? :stirthepo


Idahofox

How about me calling you a moron.

Go ahead, no one pays any attention to you anyway.

It looks like the absolute cheapest tires out there are Kelly brand, and they are 630 installed.

The other places that had the revos wanted 770 installed...........is this not a rip off?

Tires are expensive... That's they way it goes. I go through a set of tires a year out on the farm.. So quit complaining. BTW, the ones I have on right now are a generic COOP version of a big O XT. They cost 620 installed. Big O XTs in the same size would have been 800 installed. I get a better price at COOP because we spend like 50k there a year in fuel and fertilizer. They made 12 bucks a tire on them.

Run 'em 'till you se the air!!):h

Thats friggin hilarious! But no, seriously

Finally, here are mine..

Oh Sh*t, Manny I think you just lost your title. :eek:
Put your flame suites on.:grd:

All my buddies call me a cheap skate,



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