Well the day has come.........Mac got here around 12:30 and we took his Suncoast V down to see what failed...........

Here is the only PIC I am posting for now...........a C1 clutch...........-:t

Mac will post more if he desires..........

The rest of the story is well known............:eek:

Stainless C1's I guess won't hold up over time...........:(

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O MY GOD!

Those are the worst looking set I have seen since my original trans yaked on me

And I thought my C2's were bad :eek:

WOW.... I think we need to see more pics there Mac...
You know you want to post them so come on, get it over with....

YIKES! :eek:

....and it was still moving......

1)Not sure if I should
2) Why should it matter no one believed me or will!
3) Will probably draw huge negativity that will result in my moderator status being eliminated not that I care and wouldn't some just gloat over that!As they've been pushing hard for that!


C1 was a bear to access or remove snap rings and completely destructed to STEEL ON STEEL (this did not happen over night) to the point of complete distorting resulting in the need of some serious work to remove.WE saved Clint some serious time on disassembly!C2 was new looking .C3 was frying.C4 was new looking and C5 was wearing do to the condition of C1.It's very clear the transmission was not tore down by Suncoast for a refresh as I was the last one in and KNOW,glad I didn't pay.It is also very clear what had happened to cause this demise,complete C1 failure the same C1 that was ranted and ravened over as the "fix" the cure for holding capacity that I paid dearly for!

Yes the Allison is very stout and drove to the lift 50 miles away.

Clint will be getting a "milk" crate core!

I'll think about picture posting as as have a CD loaded of them thanks to Tony and all his generous help.Thanks man

How many miles total did that transmission have on it? Runs, and avg HP run through the trans would be nice to know as well..

This is my opine. The pistons were probably experimental billet that did not work. Sound familiar? I will not take sides here nor point blame. Suncoast would have fixed the problem, but the partys involved had other issues and that is none of my business. I am posting this because Joe at Suncoast will back me up, so will Clint at ATS. I did not get this kind of support from DTT. They ( DTT ) were afraid of my relationship with Transgo, TTS, Suncoast, ATS. Why are the aforementioned companys not afraid of me? Have I told their secrets to the competion? Oviously not, as the would $hit can me in a second. Sorry to hijack the thread but the northern lights and such piss me off.

Do the DTT billets look like these........

The warped C1 is what we fought with to get that rotating assembly apart.......:eek: ..It took almost an hour just to get C1 apart with a 5 ton press..........:(

I never seen anything like it..........
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Your right Mike as usual :)

I just wish Suncoast would have addressed me the way I feel they should have instead of suggesting ME as the root cause,all along,unfortunately.

I do believe things would have been different.Quite different

It got real ugly for no reason but to hide the truth IMO.The truth I felt I knew all along as my butt was in the drivers seat


I have given Tony the OK to post away "his" pictures.I'll reserve comment for now as the pictures will explain themselves I truly believe

Here are various shots.........

All C1's and the rotating assembly

Some miscellaneous shots..........

The C2 is perfect and check out that color of the clutch compared with C1's.....:eek:
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Here is what I don't understand. That trans was "supposed" to be indestructible, correct?

Here is what I don't understand. That trans was "supposed" to be indestructible, correct?


You will have to ask the builder,I was under the impression it was UNLIMITED HP holding capacity as built with a two year warranty.A warranty that is valid today,IMO

I can only assume they didn't expect Steve Cole to be able to up the bar.

Well he did and there it is

Well I guess when the numbers get that high you need something that will hold it. I hope that your new trans will and then you will not have to go through this again... Good luck

What don't they go into limp for protection :lol:

Them clutches are literally toast. I'll bet the trans got pretty darn hot in the process. What about garbage in the rest of the fluid path?.... cooler?

What don't they go into limp for protection :lol:

Them clutches are literally toast. I'll bet the trans got pretty darn hot in the process. What about garbage in the rest of the fluid path?.... cooler?

I have a MikeL bigger and better cooler installed and the lines will be blown clean.When the tranny is built,limp mode is just to get it home :o:

Actually Hoot the tranny NEVER got that HOT.I drove it to Kent ,50 miles no TC lock up,stuck behind buses ta boot and one forward gear forth only.

Ran 200/225 the highest temps I seen!

So now it's my fault........................... :D ya just try to help a guy and give him alittle power for his truck and look what happens :eek: I guess unlimited doesn't mean TTS Unlimited.;)

When I was up at his shop, Eric had some C1's (?) from another tranny that were warped like that, but nowhere near as burnt up. They showed strange wear patterns though. He surmised that some of that could have been caused by apply-plate warping under pressure. Remember when he posted about the "improved" SC apply parts about 6 months ago?

Hoot is right...that trans got extremely hot at one (or more) times. Are you sure your original problem isn't trans-cooler related? Frankly, I don't know if I'd trust the stock gauges sometimes.....

So, "normal" driving could wreck it like that....we all know you don't beat the crap out of "Princess"....:rolleyes:

Well, at least you'll be back on the road tomorrow.....):h

Tom

Once the clutches begin slipping they build tremendous heat in the clutch pack. You can torch the clutches and never have the gauge move as the damage was done long before the fluid got heated enough to know about it. The warping occurs after the clutch pack is release not while it's clamped down. They build the heat when slipping and once released the fluid starts cooling them and they bend like a pretzel!

Tom

The transmission NEVER got hot.Never sprayed on or ran at the track

First sign of trouble.
1)Disscolored fluid,up to a year ago!
2)Sluggish shifts,I shrugged it off.
3)Delayed engagement of First and Reverse
4)Automatic upshift to 4th and SES light code P0711 IIRC.

Transmission always ran a normal temp,normal to me perhaps not to others.In the end yes it would get up to temperature real fast.

C3's have the slots & and C5's are the solid clutches.........typical C3 burning but C5's are usually perfect.............not these............-:t

They showed alot of burning and hot spots on the steels as well......
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Once the clutches begin slipping they build tremendous heat in the clutch pack. You can torch the clutches and never have the gauge move as the damage was done long before the fluid got heated enough to know about it. The warping occurs after the clutch pack is release not while it's clamped down. They build the heat when slipping and once released the fluid starts cooling them and they bend like a pretzel!

Thank you "Dr. Evil" for the explanation.....):h



The transmission NEVER got hot.Never sprayed on or ran at the track

First sign of trouble.
1)Disscolored fluid,up to a year ago!
2)Sluggish shifts,I shrugged it off.
3)Delayed engagement of First and Reverse
4)Automatic upshift to 4th and SES light code P0711 IIRC.

Transmission always ran a normal temp,normal to me perhaps not to others.In the end yes it would get up to temperature real fast.

Veryyyyyy interesting. Did you and Tony find evidence of anything "letting go" other than the fried parts?

EDIT: Jezzzzus.....Tony posted those pics while I was typing. Those clutches and steels aren't even good enough to use as Frisbees....

Tom :eek:

I dunno about you Tony but that's the worse C5's I've seen.Looks like they were working,working hard,for awhile! :D

Everything else in the tranny even the pump looked good!

I believe Tony has pictures of EVERYTHING! :)

I would say that upon inspecting the whole tranny, The C4's were excellent, no visible HOT spots or burning.........the C2's looked like you just took them out of a box..........

The C1 springs are a very strange YELLOW color.........they looked to be spray painted with NEON YELLOW ?????

Here is a PIC. of the springs from the C1 cage..........the debris below the hand is what's left of the C1 clutches .........:eek:
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I will add about the "heat".I run a aux gauge in the sump.When I had a TC failure I seen heat,heat to the tune of some 250 degrees.

So yes the gauges,my gauges, work and I pay attention.

Steve has it correct IMO

You guys haven't seen bad yet.................... some of the ideas that were not so good during test and development look much worse. They didn't event make 1000 miles but I guess that's just the way we(I) have to learn. If we never tried it how would you know for sure. Some real stupid ideas worked great and some real good ones.................... well let's just say it leaves you scratching your head.

Got some more.........

Miscellaneous..........

Now we're "cooking". :eek:

The fluid that we took (drained) out didn't look half bad.We didn't drop the pan.

Well, Mac.....I guess I owe you an apology about your tranny....


Steve....you've done WORSE to a trans? :eek:

Tom

Tom

The transmission NEVER got hot.Never sprayed on or ran at the track

First sign of trouble.
1)Disscolored fluid,up to a year ago!
2)Sluggish shifts,I shrugged it off.
3)Delayed engagement of First and Reverse
4)Automatic upshift to 4th and SES light code P0711 IIRC.

Transmission always ran a normal temp,normal to me perhaps not to others.In the end yes it would get up to temperature real fast.

Not to start a war mac, but, when you noticed the first two, shouldn't a light have come on?:confused: (In your head I mean, not in the dash)
If you were dealing with a stock trans and this happened with extra power, that would be one thing.. This was a upgraded transmission that was intended to take extra power. When those first two symptoms arose, that, at least to me, would signal something was very wrong.
I wonder if this entire fiasco could have been nipped in the ass a long time ago.

partsguy662

Maybe if I had your money I would pay people to do it earlier,no offense.It cost money every time you take it down and god I've done that enough in the last three years.I don't have a lift yet, but I will.That's TWO C1 failures alone!
Discolored fluid is nothing in this world.Sluggish shifts are chalked up to adaptive learn again nothing in this world.The only way to really diagnose is to take it down and open it up.No one likes to do this,it's a last resort and no one takes one down at least me that's shifting.

I did everything I could have and remember my truck sits sometimes for weeks and months in the winter. Not sure on how I could have nipped anything or saved anything.

When it breaks,we'll find out,that's my O

partsguy662

Maybe if I had your money I would pay people to do it earlier.It cost money every time you take it down and god I've done that enough in the last three years.
Discolored fluid is nothing in this world.Sluggish shifts are chalked up to adaptive learn again nothing in this world.The only way to really diagnose is to take it down and open it up.No one likes to do this,it's a last resort and no one takes one down at least me that's shifting.

I did everything I could have and remember my truck sits sometimes for weeks and months in the winter. Not sure on how I could have nipped anything or saved anything.

When it breaks,we'll find out,that's my O
Had my money? Oh balls, you like being in debt up to your eyeballs?
Trust me guy, I'm not what you would call "well off". I'm more of a "middle man" with my paycheck..I receive it and distribute it accordingly to my creditors :(
At any rate. I agree, the discolored fluid alone isn't a warning sign. Many people have noted discolored fluid after few miles and it is the overall concensous that this isn't a problem.
I just wonder about the shift issue. As you have stated, your truck sits quite often, so that's one explanation. Since you have a tech 2, I'm also going to assume that you didn't see any strange data on it either.
Long and short of it, something went wrong in that case. When the failure started is hard to determine by examining the carnage in the pictures in this thread. Just a bad deal that it came to this.

The Tech II didn't offer much,it doesn't expect to see what is going on.Looking at ISS and OSS showed no slip at 1 to 1 ratio,hard to believe.There is to many variables in Tap Cells,not sure what else to look for.When it starts to sense slip,it limps.That's where I was at and made the preparations to pull it


It's a very fast down hill progression when it starts.In a matter of two weeks after I really started noticing the slow engagements,I called Suncoast then,was no help,he wasn't sure.

The best diagnose is on a stand.

Well, Mac.....I guess I owe you an apology about your tranny....


Steve....you've done WORSE to a trans? :eek:

Tom

Steve can fry the balls off the devil himself. ):h

:funnypost Wonder where that will take this thread? ):h

That is some nasty stuff.

Maybe your trans failure had something to do with the prolonged inactivity? That would be something to explore.....

Mike.....So Steve has tried to run an Allison without fluid? Neat! Wish I had that kind of money.....

Tom ):h

:eek: Thanks Mac. Seeing those pics doesn't make me feel nearly so bad about my recent transmission snafu.

Discolored fluid is nothing in this world.Sluggish shifts are chalked up to adaptive learn again nothing in this world.The only way to really diagnose is to take it down and open it up.No one likes to do this,it's a last resort and no one takes one down at least me that's shifting.

I guess our mines work nothing alike. Discolored transmission fluid has always been the first sign of a tranny going bad! I thought everybody knew that! :eek: Why would you thing your transmission would be any different? :( Did you at least smell the juice to see if it had a burnt smell to it? That is always the first place you start trouble shooting at, once you notice a burnt or discolored look.

And there`s a huge difference between adaptive learn mode, and slugish shift patterns. I would understand if the slugish shifts were dew and far between, like maybe once every couple thousand miles. But if they became a normal happening, that and the discolored juice, well! even a blind man should have seen the signs! :eek:

I guess our mines work nothing alike. Discolored transmission fluid has always been the first sign of a tranny going bad! I thought everybody knew that! :eek: Why would you thing your transmission would be any different? :(

And there`s a huge difference between adaptive learn mode, and slugish shift patterns. I would understand if the slugish shifts were dew and far between, like maybe once every couple thousand miles. But if they became a normal happening, that and the discolored juice, well! even a blind man should have seen the signs! :eek:

I think if you searched the old posts here regarding fluids it has been determined that some fluids although perfectly fine will darken due to the dye used.

I have heard of Amsoil and Castrol do this.

You can even use synthetic it can go either way.........Question.........when you change you Motor oil and within 500 miles it's dark brown instead of clean does that make you run out and change it because it has discolored ????????


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Well Mike you should have been a Allison mechanic then. How about Transynd?Which is what I first put in.I then switched to Mobil Syn.Started to tinge ,perhaps I didn't get it all out with the flush.Looking at the "stick" isn't a fair evaluation.

Intermediate sluggish shifts? Pull the transmission? Your a man of money

Doesn't matter it has to come out anyway,clutches are CHEAP,it's getting in there that cost the coin whether there "smoked" or just showing signs of weakness.

What's the difference,six or a half dozen

Well, Mac.....I guess I owe you an apology about your tranny....


Tom

Tom you and the others owe me no apology at all.You guys never knew the real story. Pictures are worth a thousand words and THE proof! :)

There are Two and Two that owe me a apology here.

I was driving a time bomb for two years not because I my doings as it was implied.I didn't sign on as a "test pilot" with this as it is a very expensive time consuming venture.Many sat back in the shadows just waiting to see what would work.Sure I jumped in early and am paying the price today.It was never implied it was experimental but boy it was.

The whole drift of this is Joe knew it would fail just like it did unfortunately as HE no longer builds these transmission this way today.Instead of admitting that he went on a personal agenda to discredit me and my Friend,I guess I opened the door.
Nothing was wrong with the transmission except C1 failure which resulted in C5 take a big load and burning too.

C2 was perfect as C4.What was seen on C3 as far as hot spots is very typical of what people are seeing with high HP programs and lower knock off line pressure.That clutch is applied in 5 th IIR. ;)

Did I get mad,yes I did.Why because when I added it all up I could have bought TWO ATS transmission!Original "kit",freight,labor.gaskets,fluid and a Upgrade that wasn't worth it.So because of that I screwed up and told him so,in the wrong way IN INK.For that he knew I was mad and thought he'd beat me to the punch and discredit me which brought in the recruits,particularly Burner! To save face

IMO opinion Suncoast should have done more in the end and only in the end as I was stuck,stuck with a known time bomb.Webb should have been as helpfull in the end as he was through out the ordeal.That's when it really mattered.He could have started by NOT BLAMING ME!

Doesn't matter today as I have moved on.Not because I think that Suncoast is a poor product at all.Just the way I was treated in the end,being blamed for what was "known " that didn't work. Mine took longer to blow because of me treating my truck like a "princess" and parking it in the rain and snow which has nothing to do with this failure.

So in my eyes Joe owes me a apology for what he did and didn't do and Burner well what ever as his personal crusade was just plain ridiculous!

I'm sorry for causing such BS here if not for Joe starting that thread it would have played out quite OK just like it is here today with out all the crap.As you recall I in that original thread was real civil.It was very clear that I was being drug out to be castrated and discredited.I should have been smart enough to have known that,my bad


Happy Memorial day!

Hey MAC,

NEXT time :D do a complete how-to pictorial like some of us ;) do for the future. What a great DYI article that would make!

Perhaps seeing what really happened to the trans, Suncoast will now step up to the plate and honor the warranty?

Perhaps seeing what really happened to the trans, Suncoast will now step up to the plate and honor the warranty?


That wouldn't be necessary or would I take Suncoast up on the offer let alone they would be interested anyway today,or would I expect it. In addition they offered to warranty it if I sent to Florida anyway.I have stated my concerns and why I chose not to except

I have a ATS Stage V that is just waiting to go for a ride, and I'm very excited about that instead. :)

That wouldn't be necessary or would I take Suncoast up on the offer let alone they would be interested anyway today,or would I expect it. In addition they offered to warranty it if I sent to Florida anyway.I have stated my concerns and why I chose not to except

I have a ATS Stage V that is just waiting to go for a ride, and I'm very excited about that instead. :)


Talk about a man made of money.....

Just throwing away a good warranty/ new trans.....

:rant:

That wouldn't be necessary or would I take Suncoast up on the offer let alone they would be interested anyway today,or would I expect it. In addition they offered to warranty it if I sent to Florida anyway.I have stated my concerns and why I chose not to except

I have a ATS Stage V that is just waiting to go for a ride, and I'm very excited about that instead. :)

I was thinking that there are plenty of people here that would love to have a fresh Suncoast Stage V and a tighter converter at a reduced price. Most of them have posted in your trans threads at one time or another.

Steve....you've done WORSE to a trans? :eek:

Tom

Steve can fry the balls off the devil himself. ):h

You all need to understand I tend to push things beyond there limits. You also need to remember that when we started playing with the Allison there were no hop up parts. What we ended up with was the Transgo kit which has become the standard by which the others are measured. When we finished that project with Transgo we knew how to do more and what it would take to get there, but that was not the market we were after. I have parts sitting next to my desk that will step it up several notches above where were at today but I could see no good reason to put them into production. Suncoast and ATS start this unlimited Hp transmission stuff which I knew would fail so I would have had to do the same if we wanted any parts to be sold. I knew better so we've just had them sitting here. The truth is at the power levels were at today you will break all of the transmission kits on the market today, period.

With that said it all depends on how long and hard you push them. Remember I ran low 12's long before anyone else with just an Xtreme, Transgo and our single plate converter. It made well over 200 1/4 mile passes, a few thousand miles towing beyond the max. GVWR and god nows how many miles just plain beating it to death having fun with it. When the truck was sold it was still going strong. When ever a manufacture puts out experimental parts to the field they should only be used for testing. When the testing is done they should be replaced with production parts or removed if they turn out not to work properly, at least that's how we do it. Since the parts in Mackin transmissions were never put into production that should tell you all something. I feel the problem between Mackin and Suncoast is just that, between Mackin and Suncoast. When Joe at Suncoast took it out to the public you all had to know the war had started and no one was going to win. Mackin has chosen his path now so we can all learn from his mistakes or keep complaining who's fault it is so our favorite person looks good, which gets us no where!

If you want you can send me the trans and I will send it in to get the warranty taken care of... I will take that thing off your hands Mac... LOL

:grd::rocking::clap:Light that candle Mac!!!

I was thinking that there are plenty of people here that would love to have a fresh Suncoast Stage V and a tighter converter at a reduced price. Most of them have posted in your trans threads at one time or another.

I am sure many people would like that...........but we do have to be serious.........:rolleyes:

I doubt that Suncoast would step up at this time.........as Mac said he was NOT interested in having it sent to Suncoast for a second go around..........

At the present time the transmission is sitting in my garage literally in pieces in two cardboard boxes boxes and an empty shell of a case on an engine stand..........all the input/intermediate/output shafts, sun, planets and ring gears looked fine, no wear on the pump plate or pump gears........

I think we will be opening up the pump housing again and check the TC flow valve and see if it is scored or was sticking at all and we will probably split the valve body and look for any additional holes opened up or experimental shift valves and springs........before it ships back to ATS as a core just to take one last peek.

I would assume that he had one of the very first of these experimental ones as he got one of the first STAGE V's available.........

Had the tranny gone back to Suncoast for warranty he still would have footed the bill for R&R, fluid, gaskets and freight..........then as soon as he had it back we would have needed to open it up and ready it for a CO-PILOT.......I think he felt it was just not worth it and decided on the ATS Stage V.........

In the end there was no winner, Mac is out over $10,000 for this and his truck has been down for over 3 months for this whole mess including the three previous problems. He has been accused by many of it being only his fault which IMHO is not the case........

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Well Mike you should have been a Allison mechanic then. How about Transynd?Which is what I first put in.I then switched to Mobil Syn.Started to tinge ,perhaps I didn't get it all out with the flush.Looking at the "stick" isn't a fair evaluation.

Intermediate sluggish shifts? Pull the transmission? Your a man of money

Doesn't matter it has to come out anyway,clutches are CHEAP,it's getting in there that cost the coin whether there "smoked" or just showing signs of weakness.

What's the difference,six or a half dozen

Why do you continue insinuating others have so much money? Isn't the Suncoast under warranty? Or at least 6 months or a year ago when the trouble started. I have no money! ZIP, zilch, nada! Understand? ;)

I was under the impression that the sluggish shifts were more then intermediate or occational.

As for the discolored fluid, I know it will darken a little, that`s why I mentioned smelling it. I was a diesel mechanic for several years, and I have been around mechanics most of my life. It is not normal for transmission fluid to get more then a few shades darker then new. I know some of the fluids are already purple, or other dark colors, and it is hard to tell when it gets darker, that`s why smelling it for a burnt smell is important.

I am not ragging on you Mac, just trying to get the details.
I was away from the form for about a year or so, I did check in once in a while, but didn't keep up with most of what was going on. Sorry for your problems Mac!

That's one of my favorite Soundgarden songs...too bad they broke up...

I have a core that I will pay the freight to ATS in trade for your core Mac.

I have a core that I will pay the freight to ATS in trade for your core Mac.

Eric
How about a DTT? Call Kennedy, he can try and duplicate this along with the TTS exterme while he is at it. Word is out, we all have gotten a phone call. ):h
mike

So now that we know what clutch's got burned up do you guy's know exactly what caused the clutch's to be toasted? :confuzeld

Should us Suncoast Lvl 3 guy's be concerned? :think:

I hope I don't have to start another Tranny fund. :(


And hurry up Mac :grd: I thought I saw a dodge lurking in your neighborhood :eek:

where is suncoast/Joe ? this would make me really nervous as a suncoast owner, I know I am as I was looking at suncoast for the tranny upgrade ...........

I would PM him and ask him why he is not talking about this? Maybe???

I'm sorry for causing such BS here if not for Joe starting that thread it would have played out quite OK just like it is here today with out all the crap.As you recall I in that original thread was real civil.It was very clear that I was being drug out to be castrated and discredited.I should have been smart enough to have known that,my bad


Happy Memorial day!


I stay away from most of the heated threads here so I missed allot of what all happened and said. It's too bad they tried to drag you name through the mud, but I am glad it way brought to this forums and my attention as a possible future Dmax modder. Now I'm waiting to hear about that new ATS.

I was thinking that there are plenty of people here that would love to have a fresh Suncoast Stage V and a tighter converter at a reduced price. Most of them have posted in your trans threads at one time or another.

Sign me up if the price is right...

So now that we know what clutch's got burned up do you guy's know exactly what caused the clutch's to be toasted? :confuzeld

Should us Suncoast Lvl 3 guy's be concerned? :think:

I hope I don't have to start another Tranny fund. :(


And hurry up Mac :grd: I thought I saw a dodge lurking in your neighborhood :eek:
this is scary.just installed my s3 suncoast 2 months ago.
is there any mods that we need to do to keep these things alive?
co-pilot?only put a couple of hundred miles on mine since install.
thanx,

Well Charles, I don't think you are running to kind of power that Mac is so I think you will be ok.. No need to get worried about it. I think your trans will be fine.. Some say the addition of a Co-Pilot is a good idea but that will be up to you.. Good luck

This stuff is getting out of hand. Suncoast is one of the 2 premier high performance transmission builders in the industry along with ATS. Suncoast products are superb. Do they have comebacks? Damn right, we all do. I have been a Suncoast dealer for over 3 years and I am running under 1/2 percent (you read it right) failure ratio. Nick, McRat, DmaxDoug, John Hamlin ( DPS) just to name a few are running Suncoast. Freddyo, who is boxing his Duramax for an extended outback trip to Australia is another. Why are some of you guys worried about your Suncoast product? I would trust Suncoast products to hell and back. I know I can call Joe from their and he will answer; hell, he might be there allready. ):h Let's give this a rest. I trust and use Suncoast products, same goes for ATS. I do not trust nor sell anyone elses products.

mike

I was thinking that there are plenty of people here that would love to have a fresh Suncoast Stage V and a tighter converter at a reduced price. Most of them have posted in your trans threads at one time or another.

"Honey, go open up the safe and get our body armor out."

this is scary.just installed my s3 suncoast 2 months ago.
is there any mods that we need to do to keep these things alive?
co-pilot?only put a couple of hundred miles on mine since install.
thanx,

I have over 23K miles on my SC-III..........it is holding up just fine..........I am running an Xtreme and drag racing it every chance I get..........

I will be adding a Co-Pilot for quicker shifts and boosting the line pressure and I'll let you guys know if I find anything in my SC-III when I pull it out in July for an inspection and upgrade.........

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This stuff is getting out of hand.
mike

Never got in your way of the DTT Posts now did it?
ATCHOO! *sniff* *sniff*



Wow, I'm alleric to bullshi7! Thanks for posting and clearing that up Mike!:lol:

i see my last post got deleted again, spd??, my question was mac, who installed the level two the first time, and who did the second upgrade, the second time

i see my last post got deleted again, spd??, my question was mac, who installed the level two the first time, and who did the second upgrade, the second time


Fred it has all been explained the procession of the build up.I and a Friend did the first (which we muffed) and the second when C1 fried the first time with a 100 miles or so on the tranny. Suncoast did the last build to Level V in Florida when it went there for a dragging-non filling converter issue.Which was a booster valve hang up in the pump housing.This also happened to Joe Webb that I'm aware of on another build he did,as per our conversation a year or so ago,or when ever it was before it went.

Fred I don't see where your thread might have been deleted either.I have No problem answering the question or would I think Chad would either.
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Don't judge THIS transmission to todays Suncoast levels.Suncoast does build a excellent product.This thread isn't to bash Suncoast but merely to say that I wasn't wrong as accused as being the responsible person to this demise that I knew all along I wasn't. I'm not eating crow for dinner ,if you will

I did push the "GO" peddle,tho!For that I'm guilty as charged.As is Steve Cole for making the Power :D

You guys shouldn't be worrying.I explained why I jumped ship.

1) The way I was treated in the end.
2) I want a quicker shifting transmission.
3) I did all this so I wouldn't be accused of being a PURPLE TEAM bandwaggon'er! :D :D :D
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As far as when "to tear it down" I'll say again the cost are the same.Doesn't matter if I were to tear it down at the "first" sign of a possible weakness or until C1 was fused together! Six or a half dozen? Perhaps I could have saved C5.I say BFD

You have to remember I had this tranny out a few times,I was in no hurry

I had some fun getting there,that's for sure,just painful monetarily :(

When I said to Joe I appreciate all he did in the beginning I meant it,to bad things turned out the way it did.It happens
I'm not going to run around like some idiot bashing Suncoast,that was never my intent.As a matter of fact and they can come forward ,I have fielded a few PM's on this and still have recomended Suncoast products for some!

I get my truck back today! :) Yee haaaa!!

thanks

i see my last post got deleted again, spd??, my question was mac, who installed the level two the first time, and who did the second upgrade, the second time

I see no deleted posts from you in this thread fredw...... Too much of that canadian air? :D

Eric
How about a DTT? Call Kennedy, he can try and duplicate this along with the TTS exterme while he is at it. Word is out, we all have gotten a phone call. ):h
mikeYa lost me there:confused:

This stuff is getting out of hand. Suncoast is one of the 2 premier high performance transmission builders in the industry along with ATS. Suncoast products are superb. Do they have comebacks? Damn right, we all do. I have been a Suncoast dealer for over 3 years and I am running under 1/2 percent (you read it right) failure ratio. Nick, McRat, DmaxDoug, John Hamlin ( DPS) just to name a few are running Suncoast. Freddyo, who is boxing his Duramax for an extended outback trip to Australia is another. Why are some of you guys worried about your Suncoast product? I would trust Suncoast products to hell and back. I know I can call Joe from their and he will answer; hell, he might be there allready. ):h Let's give this a rest. I trust and use Suncoast products, same goes for ATS. I do not trust nor sell anyone elses products.

mike
good post mike

Its sad to feel caught up in quarrls between friends............For the record I would do my suncoast all over again...............My experience has been second to none dealing with joe.......wish ya luck mack ol buddie..........to bad you live to far to get caught beside me at a redlight.......):h

good post mike

Its sad to feel caught up in quarrls between friends............For the record I would do my suncoast all over again...............My experience has been second to none dealing with joe.......wish ya luck mack ol buddie..........to bad you live to far to get caught beside me at a redlight.......):h

Those sound like fighting words to me.. Might have to set up race between you two??

Sounds more like somebody just let the air out of the tires

Sounds more like somebody just let the air out of the tires

Hoot
That was a fart. Question is, who did it.):h

good post mike

to bad you live to far to get caught beside me at a redlight.......):h

You've had your chance a couple times. Last time I sooted you and Steve when you left the max home! :D



Sounds more like somebody just let the air out of the tires

More like the pictures knocked the wind out of this topic! ;)

Where's Richard,cat finally got his tongue?He's been here

Allen, you know I've been here? ......How's that? Are you using your "mod" powers to snoop? Well Allen..... what is it. Allen, what is it that you want? I see you :stirthepo .......What do you want, Allen? You "used" your mod status to 'try' and push Joe around. He did not like it.....would you? Joe would have fixed the tranny, you and I both know that. The problem occurred when you made a sugested threat and demanded it be done by X date.
......Allen, that's your dead horse. Keep kick'n it and we'll all get sick of it.-:t this is really get'n old..........


Just be happy with what ya have and have a cup, would ya?

This is getting REALLY old.

Allen, you know I've been here? ......How's that? Are you using your "mod" powers to snoop? Well Allen..... what is it. Allen, what is it that you want? I see you :stirthepo .......What do you want, Allen? You "used" your mod status to 'try' and push Joe around. He did not like it.....would you? Joe would have fixed the tranny, you and I both know that. The problem occurred when you made a sugested threat and demanded it be done by X date.
......Allen, that's your dead horse. Keep kick'n it and we'll all get sick of it.-:t this is really get'n old..........


Just be happy with what ya have and have a cup, would ya?


NO,lucky guess I guess.I can only tell when you last visited :)

Thanks Richard just making sure you can't get the facts straight! Sure Joe could have fixed it ,Me too! :)


You "used" your mod status to 'try' and push Joe around.

Right the word "moderator" never came up,great excuse ,sorry he felt intimidated. Sounds like classic paranoia.By your tone, I can tell your running out of gas and your down to one excuse! :muahaha:

Oh well Richard I tried and tried hard to get you to understand my position to open your eyes and see that I was accused of wrong doing,no one likes that, specially the ones that "KNOW" they hadn't,I even supplied a great pictorial as proof.

That was the reason I took my course of action.Accused of building the transmission wrong,when in fact I had a TRUE Suncoast Frankenstein built by the doctor himself!A time bomb that was going to fail, just a matter of time.Please pony up for anouther (insert old brand) fix,nahhhhhhhh.I fixed'er ,DID I EVER!! :ro)

No matter take care. :(

This is getting REALLY old.

Out with the Old broken and wore out "experiment" and In with the NEW !! :thumb: