Here's a Luxury radio with the 6-disk changer on Ebay for those looking to do the amp change.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=94836&item=5778415787&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Are you bidding on this one?


All we now are some LUX amp that work with this # up on e-bay. Seen none!


LATER!

I'll bid on that radio if Bodysurfer isn't going to. There is another radio I was bidding on previously, but it looks like someone else wants it pretty bad and I'm not going to go that high if possible.

I'm not bidding on any of them except for a first bid to hold a place in line. Just looking for them for you all. Good luck.

I'm looking for the NAV Lux head unit and seperate 6 disc changer and LUX amp to do a complete conversion like duratothemax did.

If you happen to see any parts let me know.

smshiver,

How do you know if it has the LUX amp? What do you look for on the sticker?

Only head units with the part # 15179349 are lux-amp compatible

Diesel Dragon--- searching on ebay for "gm navigation" will always turn up a good usable Lux nav unit. Just check the part number to make sure it is in fact a lux unit, and not a NON-lux unit.

Diesel Dragon, I have a 6-disk changer on Ebay right now. Sent you a PM. It's a relist as the bidder never came through. If you will go for $190 shipped, I'll end the auction early. The last one I saw on Ebay went for $220 plus shipping.

Parent123. Sent you a PM.

Alright smshiver you seem to be the resident expert here, what about adding a 6 disc on an '02 chevy with a single disc and tape currently. I am tired of changing cd's all the time. I saw some on ebay from a caddy would it work, where would it mount, maybe in place of the tape player?

I wish I was the expert ;), but I do know the entire truck's wiring system was changed in 2003. I don't think a 6-disk head unit would work unless it was manufactured for a 2002 or older vehicle.

I wish I was the expert ;), but I do know the entire truck's wiring system was changed in 2003. I don't think a 6-disk head unit would work unless it was manufactured for a 2002 or older vehicle.

The one I saw wasn't a head unit, it was more like the tape unit that came with my truck. It was seperate and mounted away from the head unit. I did stumble across a factory 6 disc for a 95-02 with theftlock. Now I am wondering if it is worth the $150-175 for a factory 6 disc, or go with something aftermarket with more capacity. Any thoughts?

Got a 6-disc and amp off of Ebay for a touch over $200. Took awhile but I finally got them. Now I just hope they work! Got my amp on Monday and should get the radio early next week.

edit: H2 6-disc that is.

For 2001-2002 trucks, you CAN add a 6 disc CDX!! It would go in the little pocket above the CD storage area in the center console. Where the aux-tape player goes in some trucks. Up until 2003, the trucks did not use the Class II data bus for all communication. Class II started being used in 1995 when the trucks first started having BCM's (body control modules). However, Class II was only used for a few exclusive functions of the BCM. It was all a big mish-mosh of data busses up until 2003. Class II operated door locks, E&C bus operated the climate control and Radio's, UART operated the SRS airbag system and OnStar...it was kinda a mess. Then everything got sorted out in 2003 when EVERYTHING went Class II.
SO, long story short, you just need a E&C data bus compatible CDX that was from a 2001 or 2002 Escalade/Denali. The Class II and E&C CDX's look the same from the front, but they have different mounting methods. Class II CDX's have metal tabs on each side that stick out at a right angle for mounting. Older E&C bus CDX's have plastic slides on each side for mounting. Look on ebay and if you are not sure which is which, post the link and I can tell you which is which. Once you find a proper CDX, you need a 15 dollar harness (I have the part number somewhere...ill find it) to go from the CDX to the back of the radio. All 1995-2002 1.5 DIN-style E&C bus (wow that was a mouthful..) radios have this auxillary input for the remote mounted tape decks and such. If you already have a single-CD radio and remote mounted tape deck, you will have to remove the tape deck and install the CDX in it's place. (The radio cant control more than one remote auxillary device) If you really want to keep the tape, you can buy another radio that has the tape deck built into it, and then have the external remote auxillary device be the CDX. Best of both worlds! (if you still use tapes...) Hope that helps!

---Ben

Sorry, didnt see that you acknowledged the fact that there exists a 95-02 CDX...my bad... IMHO, its worth it to get the factory CDX because it works perfectly with your stock head unit and is controlled by the stock head unit...

---Ben

The one I found on ebay looks like a regular Cd changer but is Delco, I would rather have one that fits in place of the remote tape player, Most of them say they are out of '03 caddy's. I will look tonight again and PM you the link.

Here's another H2 6-disc ending in 20 hrs from now.

6-disc (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5781674046&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1)

Here's another H2 6-disc ending 20 hrs from now.

6-disc (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5781674046&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1)

Will this premium radio and speakers work in my truck? Thanks for your input...how hard is it to change?

Sorry mullis56...to retrofit a Bose system into a vehicle that did not come with it from the factory is a HUGGGEEE pain and more expensive and more troublesome than it is worth. You would be much better off just going aftermarket IMHO. If you like your current head unit and dont care for one of the fancy aftermarket ones, you can use a PAC adapter that will allow the stock head unit to work with an aftermarket amplifier/speakers. That way your OnStar, door chimes, and steering wheel controls will all still work (if you have OnStar or SWC). Lots of installers will tell you that you need to keep the stock radio in the truck and put it under the back seat or something, but that is not true... None of the installers are at all familliar (understandably) with the very wierd and proprietory entertainment/Class II data bus systems in GM vehicles. Everything is so integrated that they think the car will blow up if you remove one factory component...I mean it may set a DTC if you take out the factory radio, but the way the Class II data bus system and BCM work, it shouldnt cause a problem. Because when the BCM powers up everytime you turn on the key, it sends out a "wake-up" signal along the Class II data bus. Everything in the vehicle from the door locks to the windows to the brake lights wake up and come on-line. Each one of those components sends back a SOH (State Of Health) signal that says "hey yo this is front left door lock...im here and alive and in communication with you, Mr. BCM". The BCM then moves on down its "check-list" sending out signals to each component and if it doesnt hear back from one component, it just says to itself "ok...cant seem to get anything out of the radio...i'll just mark him absent". So then it knows to just close the data network loop and leave the radio out of the loop because the radio obviously isnt responding. Then everything on the data-bus functions normally because they just excluded the radio from the big data loop so the [lack of] radio doesnt cause any problems between communication of other components on the data bus. If there wasnt this SOH signal that each component sends out, then there would be some problems. Because the Class II data bus network is, by nature, a "serial" type of computer network, it relies on every component to pass messages around, like in a big chain, or kinda like if the components were all playing the game "telephone". (sorry for the dumb analogy) Like to lock the doors, for example, the BCM sends out the "LOCK DOORS" signal over the data bus and that signal might get passed from the lights, to the radio, to the SRS airbag system, to the climate controls before it gets to the door locks. Every component will just pass messages on if its not a message for them. So if there wasnt this SOH signal and one component was taken out of the "chain", the BCM would probably get all freaked out and throw a million DTC's.

So, sorry for my long [and probably boring] explanation of the crazy GM data bus system...i just love this stuff so I get a kick out of explaining it...

But basically, if you want to keep the stock head unit and use a PAC adapter to hook an aftermarket amp/speakers to it, thats fine....if you just want to ditch everything and get a whole new aftermarket head unit, amp, and speakers, thats fine too. Your truck wont blow up if the radio is not stashed under the seat (that would drive me crazy to have some crazy rube-goldberg contraption like that under the seat) like audio shops say it has to be. Hope that helps!

---Ben

Ben,

Boring? No way!!!!!!! :ro)

That was truely the most understandable explanation of the Class II network and how it works that I've ever read. You deserve kudos for that!

Thanks

Tom :pig:

"hey yo this is front left door lock...im here and alive and in communication with you, Mr. BCM".
---Ben


:lol:

What if it's a Mrs. BCM :muahaha:


Hey yo Mr. BCM this is the seat warmer... im here and alive come over and scratch this for me. :lol:




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DD


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I have the cd/casette combo NON-Bose thinking of buying the stock 6-disk in dash cd=changer is that still not possible? It is the same size, etc. Not worried about the speakers just want the 6 CD combo.

Thanks!

how do i know if i have a lux radio...my truck has the same radio as the one on ebay and factory DVD...

I have the cd/casette combo NON-Bose thinking of buying the stock 6-disk in dash cd=changer is that still not possible? It is the same size, etc. Not worried about the speakers just want the 6 CD combo.

Thanks!


I think even though it will physically fit, the wiring between a Bose and Non-Bose system is diffrent and it would be cheaper for you to get a aftermarket radio than to try to make the factory switch.

I'm pretty sure the Non-bose systems don't use a factory amp and the Bose Head Unit needs a amp to work.

And please add your truck info to your sig. The above info is for 03 and up truck's

The experts may chime in to say for sure.

DD

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how do i know if i have a lux radio...my truck has the same radio as the one on ebay and factory DVD...


The radio's and Amp's in our pickup's are Non-Lux.

There's some talk that the Radio's can be reprogrammed from Non-Lux to Lux with a software change (not confirmed yet) but you would still need the Factory Lux amp to go with it.

Only the higher end vehicles like Escalade's get the Lux system's.

Even the new Hummers that used to get the Lux system's are now switched to Non-Lux.

And please add your truck info to your sig. The above info is for 03 and up truck's

DD

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it has 6 disc changer

If you have the 6-Disk CD changer in the radio in a 2003 or newer truck, you have the non-lux "premuim" system.

hehe im glad you guys enjoyed it! As far as UC6's (the 6-disc head unit's) in non-lux vehicles...As you know, there are 3 different stereo systems that GM utilizes in the 2003 and up GMT-800 trucks/SUV's. First is the non-Bose system which utilizes a [very weak] amplifier inside the head unit. This radio outputs high-level speaker outputs from the back of it. This is different from the 2000-2002 trucks. Back then remember everything used the old 1.5 DIN E&C data-bus radios (the ones that said "Delco Electronics" and "Theftlock" on the front). No Class II data. Those head units all out-putted line-level audio and sent it to a silly little box GM called an "amplifier" (at least, when my dad had his 2002 Tahoe, the sound was downright aweful compared to his 2003 that he has now with the Bose) even tho it probably outputted, at best, 10 watts per channel. I still remember the 2002 Tahoe brochure (spelling?) that proudly touted the "176 watt Premium Sound System with Subwoofer". Yeah...ok...id be surprised if that subwoofer even did anything. Then of course that proud rating was quietly forgotten during the next model year (2003) when everything switched to Class II and the Bose stereo became avalible (no one knows any specs about the Bose...Bose guards those specs like CIA government info..your guess of how many watts the Bose amp is is as good as mine). But on 2003 and up NON-Bose systems, there isnt a crap "amp" sitting up behind the glovebox like on the <2002's. The amp is internal to the head unit. Ive never heard a 2003 and up non-Bose system so I dont know if it is an improvment on the 2002 and before non-Bose systems that actually used an outboard amp. Getting back to the main issue... Second there is the NON-LUX Bose which outputs a standard variable low-level signal from its outputs which gets amplified by the Bose amp. Then there is the LUX head unit which sends a fixed low-level signal out to the amp and volume is varied NOT at the head unit, but actually at the amp itself. Turning the volume knob on the radio just sends a CLass II data signal to the lux amp that says "hey turn up a notch". All 3 radio systems use physically the same radios. This saves GM money becase they dont have to have 50 different radios for each vehicle. The difference is in the radio's "operating software", like on a computer. If you take a LUX radio out of an Escalade and load "non-Bose" software onto the radio, it will operate as a non-Bose radio and activate the previously-dormant little "amp" inside the head unit. Because the radios operate on the Class II data bus, they are basically little computers and have the capability to operate in whatever speaker type vehicle they are programmed into. Thats how the company JP Customs sells their "non-Bose" nav units. GM doesnt actually make a non-Bose nav unit...because there is no non-Bose vehicle that has the option of a nav unit. So JP Customs just takes normal TNR's and reporgrams them for use in NON-Bose vehicles. So yes, you can reprogram a UC6 6-disc radio to work in a non-Bose truck. BUT you need to find a dealer that will actually listen to you and program the radio for you. They have all the equipment; they just dont think it will work because its not in the big magic book of GM standard procedures. Sometimes you are lucky and find a savvy technitian who will do the programming. On Minn-kota's LUX head unit that he bought, they even reprogrammed it without meaning to! All they meant to do was clear the VIN, but instead they took his good LUX radio and reprogrammed it for non-Lux!!! Although I still dont think the dealer knows what exactly they did...
If i found 2500 dollars under my bed, I would buy a Tech II tool in a second and have all you guys send your radios to me [to program]! Maybe if I find a lot of junk to sell on eBay...

---Ben

By the way...similar to my "Class II description", I also wrote out a long explanation of how the Lux and non-lux Bose amplifiers are different and why the lux sounds better...if anyone is interested, i'd be happy to post it!

--ben

mullis56--- you say you just want the 6-disc function but you "dont care about the speakers etc". Unfortunatly, a Bose head unit will not work AT ALL if it was plugged into a non-Bose truck. You might get a LITTLE sound, but not enough to drown out the Duramax, even at idle. The connections are all the same between the three head units, except on non-Bose head units, the outputs that would be for the "low level" amp output now become the "high level" speaker output. Understand? So if you bought a Bose 6-disc head unit, it would not output a high level speaker current, which is what your speakers need because you dont have an amp. Your speakers would just recieve the little tiny low-level output and therefore, be very quiet, if any noise came out at all. So no connection changes need to be made...just different programming for the radio. I DO know of one guy who has a UC6 6-disc radio working in his regular cab (so non-Bose obviously) Silverado, over on the GM Trucks forum.

--Ben

I may have an amp for sale soon!

Ahhh!!! are you not having any luck with getting the dealer to re-reprogram the head unit BACK to lux?? Any Delco service facility could help you out with reprogramming too. Dont give up!:D

---Ben

OK what the heck are you guys talking about? I just bought an LT with the bench seat in front to give me that 6th seatbelt so I did not get the Bose package... What am I missing I need to fix and what is the best way to do it....


Drew in Utah

Hey guys..today is 7/23/05.....two LUX amps on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7988622084&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7988622407&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT


Just thought I'd let you all know....if you didn't already.