Finally made it back out to Mike L's to tear down the transmission and get something in it that works. Had to pull it down on the trailer. The truck still moved but was unpredictable and I didn't want to chance completely loosing it during the 800 mile trip.

Damage report: C2 clutches were toast. I've got pics but until I get home Saturday night I won't be able to post them.

Other than that there was absolutely no damage. We tore the transmission down completely and inspected everything, including the pump. DTT speculated that the pump was not operating properly prior to the install of their parts resulting in the 500psi pressures. That's not the case.

Hopefully DTT will choose to respond with some thoughts on went wrong.

Didn't DTT already "know" what went wrong without seeing it? :confused:

here is a prime example why r&d testing should be done by qualified testers, any joe blow is not the real answer, i see a breakdown of parts will never be seen by the kit builders, and this is why contracks are made to preseve r&d information

Looks like another bleeding edge product rushed to production.

Looks like another bleeding edge product rushed to production.


What does that mean???

Maybe Edge products rushing their LLY box to market?

here is a prime example why r&d testing should be done by qualified testers, any joe blow is not the real answer, i see a breakdown of parts will never be seen by the kit builders, and this is why contracks are made to preseve r&d information


R&D testing is normally "invisible" to the buying public.

It is always wise to do:

R&D testing
Beta testing
Failure analysis - if necessary
Product revision - ditto
Beta testing -ditto in a loop
Release

Beta testing should be done with the target market. If the product is intended for hot-rods, that should be the betas, if for common users, ditto.

IIRC, the DTT #2 is a released product.

I was not testing for them. I was one of the first to receive a new product. I was under the assumption it was already tested since they were advertising it as for sale.

Maybe Edge products rushing their LLY box to market?

Naw, I used edge as one, outside the diesel pickup market, would normally interpret it.

here is a prime example why r&d testing should be done by qualified testers, any joe blow is not the real answer, i see a breakdown of parts will never be seen by the kit builders, and this is why contracks are made to preseve r&d information

I have to wonder....what cost more, the amount that DTT recieved for thier kit or what they paid for this gunning....


Let's see here...

MikeL has sucsessfully built countless High Performance Allison Transmissions for members here utilizing parts from ATS, Transgo, and TTS to name a few....I don't recall any problems with ANY of them....not to say it's not possible....

MikeL has also contributed several hours of his own time helping others install their own kits....this is undeniable FACT....we've all read accounts of it here....One of those being a good friend of mine in CT, he has about 25K on it with no problems....

There are a few THOUSAND ATS, Suncoast, TTS, and TransGo installs out there performed by hundreds of different instrallers...professonals and amatuers alike. How many guys are out there pulling and racing running ATS, Suncoast, TTS , and TransGo components?

There's what, a handful of DTTs out there, that we hear are sooo great...How many of those were not done in house? How many are there out there? Do any of those have 25K or more on them? does a DTT last that long? How many guys are out there pulling and racing running DTT components?


No matter how good an installer is, they can't overcome manufacturer's quality, or lack there of...

Case in point:

You hire Jesus to build you a saircase. You buy him cowpatties to do it with what would you get? .......that's right....a stack of cowpatties.....

I rest my case.......

I have to wonder....what cost more, the amount that DTT recieved for thier kit or what they paid for this gunning....


Let's see here...

MikeL has sucsessfully built countless High Performance Allison Transmissions for members here utilizing parts from ATS, Transgo, and TTS to name a few....I don't recall any problems with ANY of them....not to say it's not possible....

MikeL has also contributed several hours of his own time helping others install their own kits....this is undeniable FACT....we've all read accounts of it here....One of those being a good friend of mine in CT, he has about 25K on it with no problems....

There are a few THOUSAND ATS, Suncoast, TTS, and TransGo installs out there performed by hundreds of different instrallers...professonals and amatuers alike. How many guys are out there pulling and racing running ATS, Suncoast, TTS , and TransGo components?

There's what, a handful of DTTs out there, that we hear are sooo great...How many of those were not done in house? How many are there out there? Do any of those have 25K or more on them? does a DTT last that long? How many guys are out there pulling and racing running DTT components?


No matter how good an installer is, they can't overcome manufacturer's quality, or lack there of...

Case in point:

You hire Jesus to build you a saircase. You buy him cowpatties to do it with what would you get? .......that's right....a stack of cowpatties.....

I rest my case.......

Fact:The components are specialized and quite different than a high performance rebuild utilizing stock componentry

Fact: Mike has been instrumental in getting members trannies performing well and has done a great job with that.

Fact: 500 Psi of hydraulic line pressure will eventually destroy a transmission.

Fact: I have more than 20K on my stage 2 now, Towing at max and beyond GVW with more than 500 HP on a service area of 1200miles.

Fact: There are other People running Stage 2's not on this board.

Fact: Jesus would know better than to build a staircase out of cowpaddies.

Fact: The Stator is Turning:lol:

Fact: 500 Psi of hydraulic line pressure will eventually destroy a transmission.



I respectfully disagree with this statement presented as "fact."

Maybe we need 1 psi for every HP. :D

Fact:The components are specialized and quite different than a high performance rebuild utilizing stock componentry Really, how different can they be?

Fact: Mike has been instrumental in getting members trannies performing well and has done a great job with that. Duh!!

Fact: 500 Psi of hydraulic line pressure will eventually destroy a transmission. IIRC this was result of the kit/instruction, was it not?

Fact: I have more than 20K on my stage 2 now, Towing at max and beyond GVW with more than 500 HP on a service area of 1200miles. Is this from the first time? 2nd?, 3rd?...I lost track of how many times it's been in and out...

Fact: There are other People running Stage 2's not on this board. Okay...about how many?

Fact: Jesus would know better than to build a staircase out of cowpaddies. And thanks to lessons learned a most mere mortals won't be putting cowpatties posing as tranmission parts into any allisons either.

Fact: The Stator is Turning :lol: in what a stock....uhh, I mean DTT converter?

I can see the crack in the mirror, now that the smoke is clearing.....

Maybe we need 1 psi for every HP. :D


Drive pressure?):h

Trans Pressure?):h

Lift Pump Pressure?):h

Boost Pressure?):h

I can see the crack in the mirror, now that the smoke is clearing.....

Well quit looking at the darn thing then ):h

Do you not see it, or just not want to?

Do you not see it, or just not want to?

I must be missing something Ox, can you make it any clearer?

Re read my posting on DTT

Maybe then it will be clearer for you.
The times my trans has been in and out for changes is a well documented fact; Facts that I submitted to the board. Nobody else submitted the growing pains.

Where is there a conspiracy there that you seem to hint at?

As for my convertor, I have a stock one in there since giving up my old prototype; again that fact i have submitted. I am waiting for a new one from DTT and when the call comes, I will be making my journey to their shop.

Take it for what it's worth. My Stage 2 Has more than proven itself worthy of staying in my truck by towing above and beyond what most will subject their trucks to.

It is clear that DTT does not wish to discuss their product in public. That's their right.
Who can blame them? Many of the discussions concerning trans kit designs end up as pissing contests.

But on the other side of the sword, it is our right, hell our DUTY, to discuss the quality and service of aftermarket parts here.

In this case, it appears that DTT dropped the ball, and made excuses instead of stepping up to the plate. I image all of us have seen a vendor go above and beyond the call of duty to get a customer back on the road. We just observed the opposite.

Even if the next 100 DTT installs go smoothly with happy customers, for many of us there will always be the thought in the back of our minds that if we buy one, we might get screwed.

As far as towing proving that the DTT is a good race trans? If I blew up a 4500 stall manual valve body TH400 behind a 600HP big block while towing through the mountains at 20k combined weight, would you say the trans is a bad race trans? If it survived it, would you say it's good a race trans? You would have no idea either way.

Get one to the track and do something impressive. ATS and Suncoast have. Or is the Stage 2 just a RV build up?

"casper"


Nice!! I like it ! :)

As far as towing proving that the DTT is a good race trans? If I blew up a 4500 stall manual valve body TH400 behind a 600HP big block while towing through the mountains at 20k combined weight, would you say the trans is a bad race trans? If it survived it, would you say it's good a race trans? You would have no idea either way.

Get one to the track and do something impressive. ATS and Suncoast have. Or is the Stage 2 just a RV build up?

I want it all. Reliability and Speed.
So far so good.
And while towing heavy up and down a few hills does not automatically qualify a trans as a racer, longevity is just as important without compromise in regards to speed.
As far as beating on it goes at the track, I do have plans to do exactly that once work settles down a bit.

One thing I can admit is that testing other things has been chewing through much of my time this year. Track time for me will have to wait until Diesel Thunder in Spokane. (Mid August)
Until then, it looks like DuramaxDiesel is carrying the 1/4 mile flag right now with his proximity to a track.

DTT will acomplish what they have set out to do. They are probably the number 1 transmission upgrade company for the guys running the Cummins with an automatic behind it. I have no doubt they will have a great package for the Allison if they don't already.

Edge made hundreds if not thousands of Duramax owners less then pleased, but to read this forum, you'd think they were God. I still don't like them, but that`s my right! Just as it is the right of any and all of you too dislike DTT. And before someone says that Edge stands behind their product. I know a few guys that wasn't taken care of in the least, not to mention a few I have read about hear, and elsewhere.

Fact:The components are specialized and quite different than a high performance rebuild utilizing stock componentry

I guess I missed something but I recal seeing a lot of "non-stock" parts going in during my ATS/Mike L install recently. How can pistons really be that specialized? So they need to be machined a bit? Big deal, any decent machinest can do that. As long as the END result of the clearances meets DTT's specs what's the big deal. Maybe theres more that I'm missing? I had hoped DTT would be willing to discuss this in an attempt to better their product and show they are at least interested in the failure. Even now I'm willing to work with them but they need to contact me if they are interested.

Fact: Mike has been instrumental in getting members trannies performing well and has done a great job with that.

The FACT that he's built more performance Allison transmissions than DTT has seen is testimonial that he's up to the task.

Fact: 500 Psi of hydraulic line pressure will eventually destroy a transmission.

I guess DTT should have researched their shim a little more, huh?

Fact: I have more than 20K on my stage 2 now, Towing at max and beyond GVW with more than 500 HP on a service area of 1200miles.

Big deal, I did this a year ago with my Suncoast, and it looked new when I tore it down a couple months ago. I will admit I don't usually pull over my registered GCW since that results in big tickets so you have one up me there.

Fact: There are other People running Stage 2's not on this board.

Not until recently.

DTT will acomplish what they have set out to do. They are probably the number 1 transmission upgrade company for the guys running the Cummins with an automatic behind it. I have no doubt they will have a great package for the Allison if they don't already.

Edge made hundreds if not thousands of Duramax owners less then pleased, but to read this forum, you'd think they were God. I still don't like them, but that`s my right! Just as it is the right of any and all of you too dislike DTT. And before someone says that Edge stands behind their product. I know a few guys that wasn't taken care of in the least, not to mention a few I have read about hear, and elsewhere.

You're absolutely right. They'll still sell transmissions. The sad thing is if they had handled this appropriately they would have sold more transmissions, and they would have learned from their mistakes on this one to improve a product that needs improved.