I read that the 2006 Duramax will have 620 ft lb torque and the over, over drive for sure. But I also read that Dodge will maintain the torque lead with 625 or 635. I wonder why GM don't wait until after the others report there numbers before they release their own numbers. :eek:

I wonder if the hp will go up this time, it didn't last two times. :( I read that Cummins will up theirs to maybe 345.

Where are you getting your information?

We gained 10hp last time. It really depends on where in the RPM the torque is added, since HP naturally rises with torque but engines are rated on HP by peak HP you could gain torque that isn't reflected in the HP rating. HP is so dependent on RPM that gaining torque down low will never show in the rated HP.


Make sense?


:)

Just spend 450 $ for the Edge EZ or another comparable box and you get much more HP and Torque than any stock Dodge or Ford. The numbers will always go up but thats more for marketing hype...

you can't even feel 10 lb-ft of torque.

Just spend 450 $ for the Edge EZ or another comparable box and you get much more HP and Torque than any stock Dodge or Ford. The numbers will always go up but thats more for marketing hype...


You could do the same with either Ford or Dodge, and it would be way more then any stock Duramax. What`s your point? :eek:

bartman

I read it here http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41662

The poster stated the information is at c&g.com, but the link don't work for me, so I am not sure.

TxChristopher

I thought that the hp was raised when GM bumped the torque to 590, but left the hp alone when going to 605, and 610 torque.

Kappa9012

I have stated that before when someone claims there 560 has tons more power then someone elses 550 or whatever the numbers may be.

C&G is www.cheersandgears.com FYI

Why arent they making them get 25 mpg instead of 625 ft lb............???????

The HP wasn't "left alone" it is just that peak HP wasn't affected.

Horsepower always goes up when torque increases. Thats just the way it is.

That is not the numbers, u were told incorectly, ive seen em, cant say but it will be top dog again:)

I second what Kools said... Just start singing "we are the champions...." now!!!!!

yeah its a torque monster, they had to beef up the test stands they were twisting the shafts like pretzels:) and besides u only have 1 month and counting:)

Why arent they making them get 25 mpg instead of 625 ft lb............???????

I bought so it coud pull my trailer in style, and with ease. The mileage is just icing on the cake.

Bill

The 5 or 10 ft-lbs differences in specs are meaningless.

You have to compare real world performance.

I agree with mannytranny.... we got plenty of power... now give us mileage.,

The HP wasn't "left alone" it is just that peak HP wasn't affected.

Horsepower always goes up when torque increases. Thats just the way it is.
I think everybody already knows that! But nobody ever talks about my truck was upped by 3 hp to 153 hp at 1800 rpm even though it is still at 310 max :p:

yeah its a torque monster, they had to beef up the test stands they were twisting the shafts like pretzels:) and besides u only have 1 month and counting:)

Will it be close to the performancce Dmax shown earlier this season?:cool:

LOL!!!! I dunno how we made it before that 3hp was added.

I was just trying to get this guy to see that HP ratings alone don't tell you everything about an engines pulling power. Give me 310hp from 500 to 3250rpm any day in my dmax. It would be the towing king of all time!

This will make the D-Max people happy too : ****The Duramax's Specification Numbers Will Look Like: 345Hp/630Ftlb. . .CLASS LEADING TORQUE!****

This info is supposed to have come from a GM publication to employees, don't know how true it is, I would like to have seen more torque though...

If GM gives us a real 650+ torque, it will be the first stock diesel truck produced that doesn't need a chip for towing. These trucks don't cut it stock with over 10,000 lbs being towed. This will be a long 30 days..............

If GM gives us a real 650+ torque, it will be the first stock diesel truck produced that doesn't need a chip for towing. These trucks don't cut it stock with over 10,000 lbs being towed. This will be a long 30 days..............

If they need a chip for 10,000#, what in the hell did we do when they gave us 400 ft lb? In the past 5 years there has been an increase of more then 100% on hp, and 60% on tq. I don't see your logic! Sure more is better, but 100`s of thousands got by before with much less.

Heck, my 1977 had a GVWR of 7700# and it was the biggest pickup availible anywhere, and it had just 162 flywheel horsepower. (Maybe 140 rwhp.)

You want 650+, but you would not be able to tell a difference between 630 and 650. I tow a 10,000# TT with about 800 rwtq and I'd like more, don't need it, but would like it. :eek:

Right now there is no point in raising the dmax power because the allison can't handle it anyway. As it is now they limit power to save the trans.

Right now there is no point in raising the dmax power because the allison can't handle it anyway. As it is now they limit power to save the trans.

I guess we will have to wait and see, eh? :cool:

Can someone do a little Bull$H!T straining for me...I can't tell if there is a single credible source in the whole bunch.

There isn't anything credible here. The official word won't be let out yet, but soon. The numbers I tossed up there was from someone who knows someone who sends them a newsletter from GM informing employees of upcoming news. Is it reliable? We will have to wait and see. Once thing is almost for sure. There will be a power increase, stay tuned for details.

thanks for straining the crap for me.

Koolz would be the only one that claims to know for sure. Nothings for sure until GM says it. Toyota is rumored to be coming out with a 350/700 diesel........maybe GM knows this. Dodge figured out that HP sells with the Hemi's, I don't see why the diesels would be any different. I'm with you Hoot on the fuel economy, that may well be more important for sales down the road as fuel prices rise.

As I recall, GM didn't release the 2005 figures till around August sometime. It appeared they were waiting for Dodge to blink first last summer. Dodge announced 600 lb of torque, then GM announced 605 lbs a couple of days later. Dodge then came out with a new announcement of 610 lb torque for the 2005. Let the games begin!

I also saw that they might be using a 6spd auto trany is that right

I like the 25 mpg idea to I have enuf power

Yes on the 6 speed there are post about it.

I also heard a rumor that Dodge is going for 650 tq. They are 610 now.

just wait and see ya'll the week of the 27th we will be cranking em out for sure:) and trust me, when u get these numbers u will be number one;)

The suspense is killing me...I guess I will be home on leave from Iraq when the numbers are released. Maybe the local dealer will have some ordering info on them too.

I read a short arcicle about toyota making a diesel and the exepted out put of 400hp and 700tq but when I do not know that would put them right in with the others in a couple of years

just wait and see ya'll the week of the 27th we will be cranking em out for sure:) and trust me, when u get these numbers u will be number one;)
Does 680 foot pound torque sound about right? ;)

I read a short arcicle about toyota making a diesel and the exepted out put of 400hp and 700tq but when I do not know that would put them right in with the others in a couple of years
By the time Toyota has a real 3/4 ton and 1 ton with a diesel option, Ford, Dodge, GMC, and Chevrolet will be at 425 hp, and 825 ft lb tq. :exactly: Maybe more! Well maybe not Ford :) The Duramax is only a few weeks away from putting a real hurtin on the Powerstroke. If we are lucky there could be 120 ft lb between the two. :eek:

l love the fishin expediition... You'll just have to learn patience grasshopper.......

Does 680 foot pound torque sound about right? ;)
:Nothing_f;)

All GM is doing is changing the tuning... I'm sure they designed the engine to put out way more than it's current numbers. As the competition increases thier numbers, GM tweeks thiers. We all know the Duramax is "detuned", otherwise we wouldn't be putting chips in them. To get large torque, GM would need to enlarge the stroke (throws on the crankshaft). Untill this happens, you will see this race for the ultimate torque in small spurts.

The 06 DMAX includes a fair number of pretty major/minor changes (nothing in the short block as you suggest). You'll see most of the diesels on the market gearing up for the 07 emissions regs coming.... You'll see...

All GM is doing is changing the tuning... I'm sure they designed the engine to put out way more than it's current numbers. As the competition increases thier numbers, GM tweeks thiers. We all know the Duramax is "detuned", otherwise we wouldn't be putting chips in them. To get large torque, GM would need to enlarge the stroke (throws on the crankshaft). Untill this happens, you will see this race for the ultimate torque in small spurts.
You mean like on the 2004 1/2 when it went from 520 to 590? The turbo may have did some, but nowhere near all!

the 06 is a almost new engine, everything on the engine is either new or redesigned, from the block up...3 weeks to go;)

The 5 or 10 ft-lbs differences in specs are meaningless.

You have to compare real world performance.

I agree with mannytranny.... we got plenty of power... now give us mileage.,

Woooooooo

Is that why you bought a BOX you Dodge is under powered? tisk tisk ;)

the 06 is a almost new engine, everything on the engine is either new or redesigned, from the block up...3 weeks to go;)

The anticipation is killing me.

the 06 is a almost new engine, everything on the engine is either new or redesigned, from the block up...3 weeks to go;)KOOL! Does this mean the LLY is another step like the LB7 was, Just a couple years then another major upgrade?

I still stand by my comment from a couple days ago. 680+ will be the new number, and 345+ for hp. :eek:

This sounds great as im planning on trading for an 06...:ro)

KOOL! Does this mean the LLY is another step like the LB7 was, Just a couple years then another major upgrade?

I still stand by my comment from a couple days ago. 680+ will be the new number, and 345+ for hp. :eek:


the duramax has a lifespan of about 18 months on the line, so yeah, something like that, heck ive even heard the plans for 07 and 08 it only gets better:)

I'm on a mileage kick....

We got plenty of power.... now tell us what kind of mileage we get with the new emissions compliant engine? How about towing and heat? Seems to be some issues already with the current emissions engine.

Are we dropping down to 12-14 around town? Diesel fuel at $2.40 a gallon? Where is the sense?

Diesels are becoming a novelty. Don't get me wrong.. the power is GREAT but at what cost to the average joe.


Mac.... my truck runs better than yours, bone stock. I dynoed 265 at the rear wheels. You're lucky to get 240. I put a box on because..... you got it right! I wanted more power!

Bottom line, the more Emission Cr@p they put on the diesels, the worse the economy will get. Really no way around that one...

We got plenty of power....
No one ask you! ;) You must have frogs in your pockets! :)
You have to own a Duramax to have an opinion :D

I hope GM still makes parts for the LB7 15-20 years from now so I can overhaul mine. It's got good power, good economy, and the least amount of green friendly parts.

It is cool to watch the big three going at it. I hope the new Dmax blows away the powerstroke.

No one ask you! ;) You must have frogs in your pockets! :)
You have to own a Duramax to have an opinion :D

I also got an 04 that came with no cat or egr.... from the factory. In 04.5 they added power, and a cat. Mileage dropped. The more power they add, the more fuel they burn.

Well it official 360 Hp and 650 ft/lbs.


I received my press release package for the 2006 Duramax and these are the number from it. The 6 speed Allison is still called a 1000 series.

Well it official 360 Hp and 650 ft/lbs.


I received my press release package for the 2006 Duramax and these are the number from it. The 6 speed Allison is still called a 1000 series.


OK so now lets see what happens here. Will mileage improve, remain the same or decrease?

How will the Allison hold the added power? Are they simply adding more programmed protection?

Don't mean to rub it in but I got more power than that with only $800 investment over stock for the TST. So far trans is doing great.. no limps(factory) no CAT(factory) no EGR(factory).

Again... mileage, simplicity. GM better be careful. They are having overheating issues right now.


Positively though I give GM the THUMBS UP :thumb:

They are addressing towing issues with more power and another gear in the Allison. The real benefit is you should no longer need an aftermarket box to improve towing capability. This means no longer worrying about your warranty. That's huge.

GM is actually the world leader in the MPG wars with big engines.

"Emissions will kill the MPG" - The LS6 engine was EPA'd at 28hwy, this is not impressive until you consider it is a 405HP V8 and was rated as a SLEV (Super Low Emissions).

At GM, you've been able to have your cake and eat it too. When you compare the other 400+ HP options, none of them came close in mileage.

Sounds like hoot is about ready to trade-in the Cummins for a fully warrantied, more powerfully, 6 speed auto. :)

Sounds like hoot is about ready to trade-in the Cummins for a fully warrantied, more powerfully, 6 speed auto. :)

:lol:

Sounds like hoot is about ready to trade-in the Cummins for a fully warrantied, more powerfully, 6 speed auto. :)


You guys keep saying it but I'm sorry to inform you that I used to swear by GM but times have changed. Now they all are options all the time.

But until my Dodge stops keeping me happy, I'm in no hurry to change up.

BTW: I have 7 years, 70,000 warranty.... again, factory

So does one assume that the 360hp and 650ft/lbs will only be in gears 2-4?? Would be a bummer if so. :thumbsdow

Diesel Tech, could you post the press release or a link to it...anything like that, i would like to read it.

Well it official 360 Hp and 650 ft/lbs.


I received my press release package for the 2006 Duramax and these are the number from it. The 6 speed Allison is still called a 1000 series. 360 is a little higher then I thought they'd go with, but I thought they would be a very minimum of 670 on the torque. I wonder if they are giving a little lower numbers so when Cummins releases a higher number, GM can trump them this time. But I have a hard time believing Dodge will match or beat these numbers.

Looks like the Duramax will be a world leader in power, and the over, over drive will make life a whole lot better for long haul drivers. I would imagine 23+ mpg empty and interstate at 70 mph :D (I'm sure someone will claim 30+ mpg) Makes me want to look into a newer truck. :help2: :help2:

OK so now lets see what happens here. Will mileage improve, remain the same or decrease?



If you drive a lot of interstate the mileage has to go up at least 5-10% over the trucks we have now, but if you drive the back roads of WV, then the extra power won't help much, and the 6th gear would be usless.

Now we see if Powerstroke and Cummins go up 35 hp and 40 ft lb tq for Cummins and 90 ft lb tq for Powerstroke :eek: (Just to meet the new standard.) I think Ford has to do something, they can't let the competition get 35/90 ahead and not see a backlash.

The word from Toyota is they will have a 350 hp 700 tq diesel in 2-3 years. Like I said before, they will be way behind with them numbers.

If you're going to be the General, you have to know how to lead :D Way to go General Motors! I sulute you :eek:

I would like to see GM have two Duramax options, both with 6 speed autos, the base engine would be maybe 300/600, and the high performance of say, 400/800. Maybe in a year or two when the numbers are out of this world they will have a lower power engine. I would opt for the 400 hp 800 tq of coarse! ;)

Well it official 360 Hp and 650 ft/lbs.


I received my press release package for the 2006 Duramax and these are the number from it. The 6 speed Allison is still called a 1000 series.


and there capable of so much more ive seen them test on the dyno at work 860-900 Newton meters...u do the math

Hmmmmmmm.......Very interesting......

and there capable of so much more ive seen them test on the dyno at work 860-900 Newton meters...u do the math If that is anything like fig newtons I could figure it out ;)

and there capable of so much more ive seen them test on the dyno at work 860-900 Newton meters...u do the math

I would hope you were meaning to say more - 900 n-m is only about 663 lb-ft which means they would be pushing their max. Which we all know is much higher ;) .

I would hope you were meaning to say more - 900 n-m is only about 663 lb-ft which means they would be pushing their max. Which we all know is much higher ;) .


well that was in the safe range;)

If you drive a lot of interstate the mileage has to go up at least 5-10% over the trucks we have now, but if you drive the back roads of WV, then the extra power won't help much, and the 6th gear would be usless.

Now we see if Powerstroke and Cummins go up 35 hp and 40 ft lb tq for Cummins and 90 ft lb tq for Powerstroke :eek: (Just to meet the new standard.) I think Ford has to do something, they can't let the competition get 35/90 ahead and not see a backlash.

The word from Toyota is they will have a 350 hp 700 tq diesel in 2-3 years. Like I said before, they will be way behind with them numbers.

If you're going to be the General, you have to know how to lead :D Way to go General Motors! I sulute you :eek:

I would like to see GM have two Duramax options, both with 6 speed autos, the base engine would be maybe 300/600, and the high performance of say, 400/800. Maybe in a year or two when the numbers are out of this world they will have a lower power engine. I would opt for the 400 hp 800 tq of coarse! ;)

Well the word on the street from a friend's mothers brothers cousin is that the 6.oh-no is getting a total rework at ford to a 6.5L. Seriously I got that from a Caterpillar mechanic who is kinda in the know. Cat has all of thier service trucks as Fords with the Diesel and that's what thier purchasers are hearing.

I am pretty sure Fords new engine for 2007 is a twin turbo 6.4 common rail engine. I have not heard ANY numbers on it. But the twins are supposed to be better for emissions and such. They also increased the size to get a little of the low end power back. Anyhow, this is what is being talked about over on TDS. Scotty

If you drive a lot of interstate the mileage has to go up at least 5-10% over the trucks we have now, but if you drive the back roads of WV, then the extra power won't help much, and the 6th gear would be usless.



Is that with the extra power figured in.... don't bet on it. I don't think you'll see any mileage increase. Matter of fact I think it will decrease.

Are they eliminating the 6spd manuel? I sure hope not.That would-:t .

BTW: I have 7 years, 70,000 warranty.... again, factory

I doubt Dodge would knowingly cover a powertrain warranty when power mods are involved.

I see Ford in a world of trouble with all this. Cummins will have their diehard fans and with good reason. What does Ford have now? The only reason I owned Ford trucks for twenty years was the Powerstroke, when they messed with it I bought a Duramax and it's the best truck I've owned so far. Who wants to be Fords beta tester on the next generation diesel? I never thought GM had the balls to build a diesel with real horsepower, this is great. Now if they get rid of the stationwagon look and cookie cutter wheels and tires, they have something.

Originally Posted by hoot
BTW: I have 7 years, 70,000 warranty.... again, factory


A side note: The 2006 Dodges no longer have the 7 year / 70000 mile truck warrranty. Just the goverment mandated 5 year / 100k mile diesel engine warranty along with a standard 3yr / 36K mile truck warranty.

Are they eliminating the 6spd manuel? I sure hope not.That would-:t .

Yeah, what he said ...

Why are all these new engine ratings only given with the automatic transmission? Why doesn't GM drop the ZF and go with Eaton if the ZF can not handle any more power.

I would never consider purchasing an automatic transmission ... if GM drops the standard transmission, they would be turning away a good amount of potential business (maybe not a huge amount), but enought to be significant ... which they can't afford right now.

The 2006 order page still show's the six speed manual available, and it shows the engine HP, Torque same as last year. (course they probably wouldn't update the HP/torque until it is formally announced)

I doubt Dodge would knowingly cover a powertrain warranty when power mods are involved.


True. But up front it's not too shabby for stockers.

I heard about them dropping the 7-70. At least I'm in for the non power related fixes if needed.

Originally Posted by hoot
BTW: I have 7 years, 70,000 warranty.... again, factory


A side note: The 2006 Dodges no longer have the 7 year / 70000 mile truck warrranty. Just the goverment mandated 5 year / 100k mile diesel engine warranty along with a standard 3yr / 36K mile truck warranty.

The warranty on the Cummins engine will remain at 7/100 from what I have heard and read over at the TDR. Also - No EGR on the '06 CTD.

Now that the 7 year/ 70,000 has been dropped on the 2006 Dodge, perhaps the door has been opened for more power from the cummins! Dodge has aggressively been selling horsepower in all their vehicle lines, I think they will step up if the tranny will hold for 3/36,000.

More power and 6 speed is great but.....

1.I won't buy another one until they prove they have solved the injector issue, or made them much cheaper / easier to replace.
2. Fuel economy at 70MPH towing is more important to me than power too, maybe the new 6 speed will help with that?

Does anybody know if the new motor will have full power in all 6 gears? Or will 1st, 5th, and 6th be derated? Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread.

Has anyone heard anything about pricing for the 06 Dmax?

Does anybody know if the new motor will have full power in all 6 gears? Or will 1st, 5th, and 6th be derated? Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread.

I havn't read anything but I did get this over at the diesel stop.

"Don't know about the HP and torque, but there are other improvements to the 2006 Duramax 6600:

1. Cylinder block casting and machining changes to provide increased reliability and durability

2. Upgraded main bearing material increases durability

3. Revised piston design helps lower compression ratio to 16.8:1 from 17.5:1

4. Cylinder heads revised to accommodate lower compression and reduced cylinder firing pressure

5. Maximum injection pressure increased from 23,000 psi to more than 26,000 psi

6. Fuel delivered via higher-pressure pump, fuel rails, distribution lines and all-new, seven-hole fuel injectors

7. Fuel injectors spray directly onto glow plugs, providing faster, better-quality starts and more complete cold-start combustion for reduced emissions

8. Improved glow plugs heat up faster through an independent controller

9. Revised variable-geometry turbocharger is aerodynamically more efficient to help deliver smooth and immediate response and lower emissions

10. Air induction system re-tuned to enhance quietness

11. EGR has larger cooler to provide for cooler exhaust gases going into the system

12. First application of new, 32-bit E35 controller, which adjusts and compensates for the fuel flow to bolster efficiency and reduce emissions"

And Mtomac said that the new Allison will handle more hp and tq. But that`s a given with the rumored numbers (I expect he got that from Eric!) Eric know stuff he only tells Michael ;)

Are 06's available to order now??

By the time Toyota has a real 3/4 ton and 1 ton with a diesel option, Ford, Dodge, GMC, and Chevrolet will be at 425 hp, and 825 ft lb tq. :exactly: Maybe more! Well maybe not Ford :) The Duramax is only a few weeks away from putting a real hurtin on the Powerstroke. If we are lucky there could be 120 ft lb between the two. :eek:

Yes, but maybe if Toyota builds a diesel pickup I wouldn't have the constant repairs and "check engine lights" I get with my Chevy almost every trip! I've had three Dodge diesels and a Chevy Duramax! The Cummins was very reliable, but the Dodge trans was not! My 2002 Duramax is in for injectors now, and now GM wants to replace them one at a time! I've had 6 repairs in 50k miles! U.S. built trucks have very poor quality control, but that's the sign of the times in the U.S.! Chinese and Japanese immigrants can become doctors and engineers going through our "terrible public schools" while our American born kids "can't learn" in the next desk because all they care about is Rap and violent video games! Why should our auto plants be any different! I've got two Toyota pickups with over 200k miles. Total repairs between them, one starter replaced! Most Americans like "political hipe" more than facts or they'd know that the top 40% of income earners got 85.3% of the Bush tax refund and we're becoming a two class society, rich and poor! I guess if you're rich it's OK like in Mexico where your job is going soon! Sorry! Got off the diesel truck subject didn't I, but I'd like the average American to be able to still afford them in 20 years! Wouldn't you?

Keep sending money to Mother Japan, then they can afford to buy Apple Valley.

I understand where you are coming from, I purchased my first ever foreign car recently, a Honda Accord Hybrid. I would have to say the quality and feel of the materials is good, better than about any american car I can recall. The car is smooth and solid. It is well thought out and built well. It has excellent power and great economy.

But my truck is just as good, if not better, has even more features, and leads the repair race:

Chevy - 0

Honda - 1

By the way, the top 40% got the most back because guess what? They by far and away paid more in. The bottom percentages don't even pay taxes, so they don't deserve squat. Kinda skews the numbers a bit doesn't it?

.

Yes, but maybe if Toyota builds a diesel pickup I wouldn't have the constant repairs and "check engine lights" I get with my Chevy almost every trip! I've had three Dodge diesels and a Chevy Duramax! The Cummins was very reliable, but the Dodge trans was not! My 2002 Duramax is in for injectors now, and now GM wants to replace them one at a time! I've had 6 repairs in 50k miles! U.S. built trucks have very poor quality control, but that's the sign of the times in the U.S.! Chinese and Japanese immigrants can become doctors and engineers going through our "terrible public schools" while our American born kids "can't learn" in the next desk because all they care about is Rap and violent video games! Why should our auto plants be any different! I've got two Toyota pickups with over 200k miles. Total repairs between them, one starter replaced! Most Americans like "political hipe" more than facts or they'd know that the top 40% of income earners got 85.3% of the Bush tax refund and we're becoming a two class society, rich and poor! I guess if you're rich it's OK like in Mexico where your job is going soon! Sorry! Got off the diesel truck subject didn't I, but I'd like the average American to be able to still afford them in 20 years! Wouldn't you?

:funnypost Read the above post at your own risk of liberal BS:knight:

I havn't read anything but I did get this over at the diesel stop.

"Don't know about the HP and torque, but there are other improvements to the 2006 Duramax 6600:

1. Cylinder block casting and machining changes to provide increased reliability and durability

2. Upgraded main bearing material increases durability

3. Revised piston design helps lower compression ratio to 16.8:1 from 17.5:1

4. Cylinder heads revised to accommodate lower compression and reduced cylinder firing pressure

5. Maximum injection pressure increased from 23,000 psi to more than 26,000 psi

6. Fuel delivered via higher-pressure pump, fuel rails, distribution lines and all-new, seven-hole fuel injectors

7. Fuel injectors spray directly onto glow plugs, providing faster, better-quality starts and more complete cold-start combustion for reduced emissions

8. Improved glow plugs heat up faster through an independent controller

9. Revised variable-geometry turbocharger is aerodynamically more efficient to help deliver smooth and immediate response and lower emissions

10. Air induction system re-tuned to enhance quietness

11. EGR has larger cooler to provide for cooler exhaust gases going into the system

12. First application of new, 32-bit E35 controller, which adjusts and compensates for the fuel flow to bolster efficiency and reduce emissions"

And Mtomac said that the new Allison will handle more hp and tq. But that`s a given with the rumored numbers (I expect he got that from Eric!) Eric know stuff he only tells Michael ;)


They need one more......

13) More reliable injectors.

It's scary that they are going to even higher pressures. This is an emissions move. The seven hole tip will atomize the fuel better, at the higher pressures for a cleaner burn. But what about reliability....

It will be interesting to watch.

To Dave from apple valley - one of the reasons I come to this site is to get away from politics, especially liberal politics.-:t


Rick

Chinese and Japanese immigrants can become doctors and engineers going through our "terrible public schools" while our American born kids "can't learn" in the next desk because all they care about is Rap and violent video games!

:blahblah:

You stupid ignorant SOB go troll somewhere else. I take so much offence to what you have just said you can't even begin to understand. I have a learning disability and among other things, it made it very hard in school for me, so hard I almost gave up. That's not always the case, but there are other things that can take the roll of a learning disability. The only thing that got me straighten out is my loving and very supportive parents what IMHO most kid are missing. So all of you can you can blame Rap and Video Games all you want too, but so time you should pull you head out of a$$ and pay attention to your kids.





Anyways now, you guys can be leave what ever you want, but that’s just my .02




:horsey:

To Dave from apple valley - one of the reasons I come to this site is to get away from politics, especially liberal politics.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/Throwup.gif





I won't agree that it's liberal politics, but It definitely doesn't have a place in a discussion about Chevy and GMC trucks.

I'm a school teacher, and I will discuss schools and problems with them if you want, just send me a PM.

Hookem

Sounds like you've had much better luck with imports than I have. 95 Accord 120K miles. Needed new master cylinder @ 80K(and takes special tools to install) $500, Air conditioner compresser crapped out at 110K $850. Add to that needing to replace timing belts every 60K @ @200 each time.


those two expenses were more than the TOTAL of repairs (outside of routine maint) to a 84 Pontiac 6000 with 180K miles, 87 Chevy Van with 160K miles, 95 S-10 with 110K miles and 05 durmax with 12K miles.

I could go on about VW's BMW etc. Brothers Mercedes with 10K miles had the whole AC/heating system stop working. The default was to have the heat come on full blast with no way to turn it off. Made for a great 300 mile trip home in the summer!!. Then took them 4 weeks to get the parts to fix it. Only good import we had was my sons toyota pickup. 200K and going strong.

Meanwhile I've had very good experience with US vehicles. To bad your having trouble with your duramax.

toyota will add is another competor and competion adds to the product that we get as buyers and they end up bing the only one that can compete with GM


so when is GM redesigning there trucks they are getting old in the looks department

I've had 3 chevy trucks, 1 ford truck, and 1 ford car that I put betreen 220,000 miles and 278,000 miles with very little problems, 3 trannys, 1 clutch, and brakes an tires. Looks like you are having bad luck. My wife`s Camery has had more problems then any car she has owned in 20 years. (And it is an 03) Toyota is no better then Ford, GM, or Dodge, it got that great rep in the 80`s when American autos were fair to poor. Now we have to over come that stigma!
Yes, but maybe if Toyota builds a diesel pickup I wouldn't have the constant repairs and "check engine lights" I get with my Chevy almost every trip! I've had three Dodge diesels and a Chevy Duramax! The Cummins was very reliable, but the Dodge trans was not! My 2002 Duramax is in for injectors now, and now GM wants to replace them one at a time! I've had 6 repairs in 50k miles! U.S. built trucks have very poor quality control, but that's the sign of the times in the U.S.! Chinese and Japanese immigrants can become doctors and engineers going through our "terrible public schools" while our American born kids "can't learn" in the next desk because all they care about is Rap and violent video games! Why should our auto plants be any different! I've got two Toyota pickups with over 200k miles. Total repairs between them, one starter replaced! Most Americans like "political hipe" more than facts or they'd know that the top 40% of income earners got 85.3% of the Bush tax refund and we're becoming a two class society, rich and poor! I guess if you're rich it's OK like in Mexico where your job is going soon! Sorry! Got off the diesel truck subject didn't I, but I'd like the average American to be able to still afford them in 20 years! Wouldn't you?

Most Americans like "political hipe" more than facts or they'd know that the top 40% of income earners got 85.3% of the Bush tax refund

Where do you think most of us get our pay check from?

The new Dmax makes the old Dmax(01-04) look pretty simple. Truck Trend reported that the Toyota diesel with be 390hp 700ft/lbs. At the FTE the talk is that the next powerstroke is a twin turbo 6.4L like someone said earlier.

I read that the 2006 Duramax will have 620 ft lb torque and the over, over drive for sure. But I also read that Dodge will maintain the torque lead with 625 or 635. I wonder why GM don't wait until after the others report there numbers before they release their own numbers. :eek:

I wonder if the hp will go up this time, it didn't last two times. :( I read that Cummins will up theirs to maybe 345.

OVER, over drive? Expound please.

For 06 the Allison will be a 6 speed.

I wonder if GM is gonna go with a V-10 or if they are gonna up the Horsepower and Torque of the Big Block 8100.

Wonder what Cummins is going to do??? lol I'm sure that they wont be leaving there figures the same. Not to push any buttons but you cant honestly believe that GM will be number one in TQ for more than a month. Ford and Dodge arent blind they prolly know way more about it than we do. Dont get me wrong I love the DMAX.

I wonder if GM is gonna go with a V-10 or if they are gonna up the Horsepower and Torque of the Big Block 8100.

GM droped the V-10 or so I have been told.

Have any of yoy guys heard of this? http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106049

It is from Edmunds and they usually seem pretty straight. Hard tellin I guess. Scotty

toyota will add is another competor and competion adds to the product that we get as buyers and they end up bing the only one that can compete with GM


so when is GM redesigning there trucks they are getting old in the looks department

Can you afford to pay $50k for a base truck? Not alot of us can, and that is what a 5 - 6 year redesign would do to these trucks!! Nothing wrong with them, leave them alone for another couple of years!!

Just my 2 cents!!

Take care,

Will

Have any of yoy guys heard of this? http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106049

It is from Edmunds and they usually seem pretty straight. Hard tellin I guess. Scotty

From the above link: "A larger 6.9-liter version of the Duramax diesel is anticipated.":cool2:

Just a thought, you think GM may offer an available exhaust brake on the "06's ?? They are available on 45/5500 medium duties. That would one-up ford/dodge.

An 8.2? Is this a 502 engine, i know the 8.1 is a 496 big block.

maybe, sure sounds like it anyway....but the news i had heard was a modular v-10 based on the 5.3/6.0 for escalade, denali and 9200gvw+ trucks....any news of that anywhere?

I feel a lot of additional trucks could be sold with:
1.Air ride Rear Suspension.
2.Air ride seat driver and passenger.
3.Fiberglass one piece hood-fender assembly.

Give us the option of the 7.2L Duramax):h found in the Silverado's big brother:D

maybe, sure sounds like it anyway....but the news i had heard was a modular v-10 based on the 5.3/6.0 for escalade, denali and 9200gvw+ trucks....any news of that anywhere?
Read the sixth post up from yours.;)

Give us the option of the 7.2L Duramax found in the Silverado's big brother
How long before that ends up in the pickups?:ro)

I feel a lot of additional trucks could be sold with:
2.Air ride seat driver and passenger.

We probbaly wont ever really see these in light duty trucks because i think they have some compatibility issues with airbags (SRS i mean, not suspension). In the Kodiak/Topkick you cant get air ride seats if you order driver or driver and passenger side airbags...

---Ben

I'll go for that 7.2 in the 2500hd's and 3500's):h .Why go 6.9 though?:confused:

Here`s the latest rumors on the next gen trucks.


GMT-900 pickups will receive the Atlas 6 standard. It will likely have a power output of 290HP with 300lb/ft of torque. Optional engines will include the 4.8L V8 with 300HP and 335 lb/ft of torque... The power numbers for the new 5.3L Vortec will be 355HP and 380lb/ft of torque. The L33 version of the 5.3L V8 will have 370HP and 385lb/ft of torque... The 6.0L Vortec will jump in power to 400HP and 400lb/ft of torque... The LQ9 version of the Vortec 6000 will put out 435HP and 440lb/ft of torque. The 8.1 will return with extra power as well increasing HP from 330 to 375 and pumping up torque from 450 to an amazing 480! To top it all off, the Duramax 6600 will increase power from 310HP and 605lb/ft of torque, to 345HP and an earth shattering 630lb/ft.

I guess we will have to take a wait and see aprotch on the Duramax power/torque numbers, as these numbers are lower then the 06 rumored numbers.

I hope your wrong on the diesel!!! That type of meager increase will make me stay with my LB7 that doesn't over heat and gets great mileage. How many more days before we know??

I think its official, at another GM site they said the new Duramax will be getting 345 horsepower and 630 ft lbs of torque. Made an Error

I think its official, at another GM site they said the new Duramax will be getting 345 horsepower and 530 ft lbs of torque.

You mean 630 ft/lbs Torque?

Opps, thats correct.

the new 06 Duramax will have 620 tq but the most note worthy new item is the 6 speed Allison trans.

The more higher hp torque duramax is for the 07 model year for the GMT-900's.

Does anybody know yet if we will have full power in every gear?

I think most would say NO

I'm pretty sure that the 7.2 duramax is a straight six.

Is the 345 hp duramax going to be in the start of 06 or a mid year change? Also I was told it would have 690 to 700 fp/tq:grd: Time to move on!!!!

Has any on see any thing on the 07's and the madmax motor.:help: do I trade for the o6 or hang on till 07?????????

I guess no one will know till the trucks hit the lots. This thread has shown about a dozen different specs for the 06`s. Only time will tell!

just to let u all know today was the 05 buildout and monday starts 06 production, then off a week, then back to the grind at full throttle

so then what will we know on Monday ?? Anything more than what we know on friday ??

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Originally Posted by Prostar8.20
If GM gives us a real 650+ torque, it will be the first stock diesel truck produced that doesn't need a chip for towing. These trucks don't cut it stock with over 10,000 lbs being towed. This will be a long 30 days..............


What are you talking about? Even my '02 pulls 10k like it is nothing! And it is totally stock. My max GVW has been 40K+--yea, I could have used more power then.:D :D

A while back there was a link here somewhere to GM's ordering info page. The link listed all the colors, specs, etc. for the 06 trucks. It showed the 6 speed allison being able to handle a max of 620 lb/ft. I really hope they put out more torque than that. Who knows though, the 5 speed allisons wre only rated at 520 lb/ft when thay came out and now they're holding 605 lb/ft.

I stopped last week to order an 06 befor I left on vacation. Guess what !!!! Ordering page showed the allison 6 speed, but, still shows the older 6.6 engine. Go figure. ;)

I'm pretty sure that the 7.2 duramax is a straight six.

The engine you are reffernig to is the 7.8 Duramax I-6 used in the 6500-8500 trucks and Isuzu WT5500 and larger trucks.

That engine is MUCH larger physically than the 6.6 Dmax, a good 18"+ longer and 7" taller not to mention much heavier !!! takes 2 stout dudes to lift the cyl head off, (and I wasn't real happy about it )

The current GMT800 chassis couldnt handle the weight or power this engine generates reliably, serviceablity would be a PITA (much like it is in the current GMT-560 trucks ) but more so due to engine placement/cab configurations.

This engine is about the same physical size as a CAT C7/3126.

Now, it's little brother the 4cyl 5.2L dmax would be a SWEET little engine for say a beefed up 1500 chassis. ( 5.2 is basically a 7.8 with 2 holes loped off, used in the Isuzu NPR chassis)

In my opinion, they all three (5.2/6.6/7.8 Dmax) are great engines, just a little growing pains.

Kevin

The 6.9 liter engine referred (if real) would be the same cubic inches are the Cummins in the Dodge. Cubic inches means more torque and more HP, but especially torque. It also can mean more fuel consumption to fill up the large combustion area to accomplish more work (torque). Maybe we'll know soon.

Tom Cobb

The 6.9 liter engine referred (if real) would be the same cubic inches are the Cummins in the Dodge. Cubic inches means more torque and more HP, but especially torque. It also can mean more fuel consumption to fill up the large combustion area to accomplish more work (torque). Maybe we'll know soon.

Tom Cobb

the cummins in the dodge`s is 5.9 liter :lol:

Why dont they just go to that 7.8 Duramax then we would have more Cubes to back it up since Interantional Has that BIG CXTwith the DT 466 @220 hp with 800 Ft lbs thats the king of trucks as far as i am concerned lol

Now, it's little brother the 4cyl 5.2L dmax would be a SWEET little engine for say a beefed up 1500 chassis. ( 5.2 is basically a 7.8 with 2 holes loped off, used in the Isuzu NPR chassis)

In my opinion, they all three (5.2/6.6/7.8 Dmax) are great engines, just a little growing pains.

Kevin

I would love a turbo 4cyl 5.2 dmax in my 1500HD. What are the power ratings? IM sure it would do better then the 6.0 and be better on gas.