Motor done Pennzoil filter collapsed [Archive] - Diesel Place : Chevrolet and GMC Diesel Truck Forums

komh98

10-10-2009, 12:50 PM

TimmyB

10-10-2009, 12:58 PM

:eek:Wow! Good luck with everything!

calabria69

10-10-2009, 01:02 PM

that really sucks!! id be pretty pissed off:wtf:good luck and keep us posted!!

motovet

10-10-2009, 01:16 PM

Who builds filters for them? Good luck with the claim.

Bartman432

10-10-2009, 03:45 PM

That is horrible. I hope your motor is ok

9W3-HD

10-10-2009, 03:47 PM

wow! I knew their oil sucked but geezs thats terriable.

JIMMMY

10-10-2009, 10:27 PM

Ok here it is. 2008 Duramax down for the count. About 100 miles from changing the oil the oil pressure dropped to zero. The computer shut the truck down. Everything looked normal to me. When it got to the shop, then it was discovered the oil filter collapsed. It is up in the air if Pennzoil is going to buy a motor. I will keep everyone updated on what is going to happen.

Collapsed? Got pics? I have heard of canisters splitting but not collapsing.

Still trying to sell her?

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329235

:eek:

komh98

10-10-2009, 11:21 PM

transferred

10-11-2009, 12:24 AM

It was not the truck I am trying to sell. It is my LTZ Duramax that I took over payments on awhile back. But yes the 2008 Chevrolet Lt Wt crew cab 4x4 is still up for sell. I will see if I can get some pics of it.

This is contradictory to your first post where you say it is the 08 that is "down for the count." Clarify please.

D/AChris

10-12-2009, 12:23 PM

Sorry to hear that, any updates? Transferred, I think he has 2 trucks, an '08 LTZ (trim) Duramax LMM, the one he's writing about a collapsed filter, and a second work truck Crew Cab that is also an '08 that's for sale. Chris

Greatbear

10-12-2009, 05:15 PM

I believe Pennzoil oil filters are made by Fram.:mad:

go-dwr

10-12-2009, 05:42 PM

Yea I want to know what happens to.

JBarker-BanksPower

10-12-2009, 06:36 PM

I believe Pennzoil oil filters are made by Fram.:mad:

I think you're right.

LETHAL WEAPON

10-12-2009, 07:21 PM

I think i will stick with AC delco or WIX oil filters when i did use fram once apon a time

Green Machine

10-12-2009, 07:54 PM

Wow that really sucks... Any updates on this though?

sticky_designs

10-12-2009, 08:06 PM

Glad you shared this with us. I NEVER use penzoil anything! They have the crappiest oil out there or at least one of them. I thought everyone new they had crap. Sorry it happened though I bet the computer shut down in time though? but let us know. post pics please. How many miles did you have or do you have on this rig? Also what kind of oil where you running with the penzoil filter?

JC1843

10-12-2009, 08:12 PM

I am trying to understand this-- "Filter collapsed"- Did the filter can get crushed, or did the filter paper inside come apart?

Of course the filter can is under pressure so it should be OK. The D-Max is a high flow oil system, so if the internal filter area cannot flow the oil, it may push the filter paper and clog the oil passages. "Collapsed"-?

Thanks for posting this.

wellsheit

10-13-2009, 09:54 AM

Some ofyou might find this interesting. Glad to say I've been using only mobil 1 filters for a long time.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

wellsheit

10-13-2009, 11:11 AM

also to note if you look at the conclusions page, he says the penzoil filters are nothing more than fram filters.

D2addict

10-13-2009, 12:22 PM

Some ofyou might find this interesting. Glad to say I've been using only mobil 1 filters for a long time.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

Actually, the article said this:

Penzoil (http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html#penzoil)

This filter is a Fram! It is the exact same design as the Fram Extra Guard filter and it is junk.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilters.html

wellsheit

10-13-2009, 01:05 PM

also to note if you look at the conclusions page, he says the penzoil filters are nothing more than fram filters.
^^^

Wa_rWagon

10-13-2009, 01:10 PM

Fram is known as the Nuclear Orange Can for more than just the color. Cardboard end caps that do come apart and plug up the oil passages and ruin the engine it is supposed to protect. Irony in the dictionary has a ‘your engine went nuclear’ Fram filter next to it.

Sucks that they still have a product this bad still on the market.

hondarider552

10-13-2009, 01:47 PM

MMLMM

10-13-2009, 02:03 PM

Yea wheres the pics? Your truck will not shut off when you loose oil pressure....I know from first hand experience.

also if it lost pressure and shut off, why would the motor be toast?

JIMMMY

10-13-2009, 02:19 PM

http://www.handa-accessories.com/15400.jpg

http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/images/ImplosionDiagram2.jpg

http://jooyeol.files.wordpress.com/2006/05/explosion.jpg

Tyler@MPF

10-13-2009, 02:26 PM

wellsheit

10-13-2009, 02:31 PM

http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/images/ImplosionDiagram2.jpg

http://jooyeol.files.wordpress.com/2006/05/explosion.jpg

:rotflmao::rotflmao::lol2::lol2:

gr8shot

10-13-2009, 03:43 PM

I say BS as well. A filter can't implode since it has pressure on the inside. I've seen first hand how much pressure and how many pressure cycles a filter can take. It's usually near half a million pressure cycles before the metal casing wil fail.

Wa_rWagon

10-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Yea wheres the pics? Your truck will not shut off when you loose oil pressure....I know from first hand experience.

also if it lost pressure and shut off, why would the motor be toast?

:rolleyes:
Ran long enough without oil pressure or the trash going through the system from the filter failure plugged up an oil passage. Shut off = locked up...

Oil flows from the outside of the filter media to the center. Gives it more room than the inside to collect debris. This is why the steel/composite support core is in the center – to keep the filter media from imploding. So oil flows out of the center of the filter. Bypass valve design also supports this flow direction.

You can crush a gas can with 4psi pressure difference. The relief opens around 7PSI. The oil system can supply over 60 PSI. So cold thick oil can do a number on things if the bypass doesn’t open far enough.

dmaxboy08

10-13-2009, 07:21 PM

When i went to diesel tech school i have seen a oil filter be crushed like a coke can when u hold it in ur hand and squeeze. also i have learned that some oil companys will say that their filters can withstand a diesel engine but the only thing they do is make them to fit. i believe him. this is why I run AC Delco bc it came on the truck, and they can handle the oil pressure.

sticky_designs

10-13-2009, 08:07 PM

Post pics, I call BS. :rolleyes: First thing I thought when reading was if the motor shut off then why would it be toast and why are you seeking a new motor. I agree with the rest this is B.S if not start showing proof! I think that saying it shut off must be a lie because of others on here like MMLMM and others that know of first hand experience. SHOW PICS EVERYONE HAS A CAMERA! :rolleyes: GOOD CALL ON THE B.S

kingcrete

10-13-2009, 08:17 PM

Come out come out where ever you are.!
:nopics:
:Get_him:

TorqueLover

10-13-2009, 09:02 PM

B.s....

MMLMM

10-14-2009, 01:13 AM

:rolleyes:
Ran long enough without oil pressure or the trash going through the system from the filter failure plugged up an oil passage. Shut off = locked up...

Oil flows from the outside of the filter media to the center. Gives it more room than the inside to collect debris. This is why the steel/composite support core is in the center – to keep the filter media from imploding. So oil flows out of the center of the filter. Bypass valve design also supports this flow direction.

You can crush a gas can with 4psi pressure difference. The relief opens around 7PSI. The oil system can supply over 60 PSI. So cold thick oil can do a number on things if the bypass doesn’t open far enough.

Thanks for an explanation that means shit in this case...

he said the ecm shut the motor down also....

WHERE is the proof, I still call BS on this guy.
Why even post this crap?

breecher_7

10-14-2009, 06:49 AM

If the oil filter did find a way to implode and the engine lost oil pressure, it doesnt take much for the engine to go....

http://jooyeol.files.wordpress.com/2006/05/explosion.jpg

Post up the photos man, If your filing a claim against the company your going to have proof!

LETHAL WEAPON

10-14-2009, 07:43 AM

Come out come out where ever you are.!
:nopics:
:Get_him:maybe just maybe he does not have a digital camera:think:

diesail

10-14-2009, 09:47 AM

FYI

http://www.filtercouncil.org/techdata/tsbs/88-3R2.html

Personally I would be standing on GM's door.

komh98

10-14-2009, 10:48 PM

komh98

10-14-2009, 11:02 PM

First thing I thought when reading was if the motor shut off then why would it be toast and why are you seeking a new motor. I agree with the rest this is B.S if not start showing proof! I think that saying it shut off must be a lie because of others on here like MMLMM and others that know of first hand experience. SHOW PICS EVERYONE HAS A CAMERA! :rolleyes: GOOD CALL ON THE B.S

And why would you ask for a new motor? I would not want a motor in my truck that I knew it didn't have oil pressure for 4 or 5 miles!! Would you want your motor knowing it not your fault in your truck, knowing it lost oil pressure? I can see the rod bearing now all blue, lets not talk about the the top end not getting oil!!! Oh yeah problems in the future if not replaced. I will go get a pic of the filter knowing there is nothing to see, but I will get a pic when I make my way back to the shop!!!

greif03lb7

10-14-2009, 11:03 PM

When my turbo blew up my truck ran on oil until the oil pump could not suck anymore up and it has 167k on it using no oil at 500+hp. It finally died at 0 oil psi because it had no more oil to run on.

hondarider552

10-15-2009, 12:18 AM

Post your pics, lets see it.

running a pennzoil filter on a 6k diesel, no wonder why it "collapsed"

wellsheit

10-15-2009, 07:17 AM

I would want a new motor. If for nothing else, just the principle of the situation. Don't know why everybody is bein so hard on this guy.

saratoga

10-15-2009, 08:00 AM

What's the number on the filter? Should look like PZ-XX
If it's a PZ-45, that's the wrong filter.

Horsehaulin

10-15-2009, 08:04 AM

No oil on the bottum end means no oil on the top! I have built my share of PSD's in my time and seen what a Fram can do when the filter element collapses and plugs ports. No reason not to believe him, I have seen it first hand in my fleet. Hopefully I dont see it again as I now use only NAPA Gold or WIX.

Good luck with this and I too would be demanding a new engine or a check to that tune. Plus a little extra for the hassle and downtime.

jhall

10-15-2009, 10:04 AM

I have never seen it but, I had just changed my oil just before I left for work and installed a fram filter
called home today and had my son change it

I hope it works out for you

DanW

10-15-2009, 10:43 AM

To you guys calling BS. Do you think it's possible that he doesn't have the filter and the shop is keeping it as evidence to get the engine replaced? That damaged filter is going to get him a replacement engine (hopefully). If it's in his possession Pennzoil could easily claim any damage to the filter was done by him after it was removed. Hopefully it's sealed away somewhere it can't be tampered with until Pennzoil can see it.

Kenafin_02TA

10-15-2009, 12:08 PM

No reason for me not to believe him either. I haven't seen it on a truck but I've seen it on an LT1 Trans Am with a Fram filter. If one Fram filter could do it I wouldn't have my doubts about another model Fram doing the same thing.

To the O.P...best of luck. I don't blame you for wanting a new engine - I would too.

Duramax-LMM

10-15-2009, 02:13 PM

:nopics:

SERIOUSLY - Cut open pics needed for your lawsuit anyways dude........

:rolleyes:

Wa_rWagon

10-15-2009, 03:08 PM

Ok sorry I have not been on lately working alot. We are still waiting on Pennzoil on what the call is. What pic do you want? The filter collapsed from the inside. There is no problem with the outside of the filter. The inside of the filter sucked up into the motor closing off the oil ports. I can get you a pic of the motor out of the truck if you would like that. Or I can give you the number to the shop where it is??

Fellow just lost his engine due to a bad filter. Loosing an engine is not fun warranty or not. He still has the stress of who is going to pay for it. And you guys want to call BS on him? Very rude and would give em a reason to dislike this forum. :mad:

In any case I would like to thank him for posting this and the reminder to avoid the low end filters made by Fram. Either bring your own or insist on a quality filter when you get you oil changed. Long ago this information about Fram’s construction had me reaching for higher quality filters or using the GM dealer for an oil change for the good quality AC Delco filters. (Including a Fram air filter where the rubber cracked allowing bypass had me swear off all their cheaply made junk.)

I want to thank him and others like him who brought this info to my attention and kept me out of his shoes of engine failure from a cheap filter. :thankyou2

DanW

10-15-2009, 07:10 PM

:nopics:

SERIOUSLY - Cut open pics needed for your lawsuit anyways dude........

:rolleyes:
:badidea:
Do you SERIOUSLY think if he cut open the filter it would still be admissible as evidence in his claim to get the motor replaced??? Hopefully it's somewhere in exactly the same condition it was when pulled from the truck.

go-dwr

10-15-2009, 07:54 PM

:badidea:
Do you SERIOUSLY think if he cut open the filter it would still be admissible as evidence in his claim to get the motor replaced??? Hopefully it's somewhere in exactly the same condition it was when pulled from the truck.

That's what I was thinking. It has to be no tampering with the filter or no money for the motor!!!! We should be here to learn and support each other, not to jump to conclusions and accuse someone of lying.:rules:

dmaxboy08

10-15-2009, 09:11 PM

:rules: haha i like this little dude. and X2 on supporting the guy and not bashing him.

rodder55

10-15-2009, 09:34 PM

Horsehaulin

10-15-2009, 11:07 PM

why do you guys gotta be so mean this guy is already having a bad time and you guys are not helping. i would want a new motor too if this happened. penzoil definatly should be picking up this tab. pictures or no pictures i am giving this guy the benifit of doubt.
Its the new American way, as I can see it that is. I see more and more insulting eachother than actually helping.

Anyways, again to the OP, I hope you get the truck up in short order.

k8do

10-16-2009, 11:21 AM

Motor out of the truck, sounds serious to me - no one does that just for grins...
Looking at what the OP wrote he comes across as a straight shooter..
The guys claiming BS need an attitude realignment...

Filters do collapse internally... I have seen it where some dipwad wants to save 10 bucks by putting a car filter (usually a Fram) on an airplane engine... If the canister doesn't burst outright when hit with 100psi of molasses like 50 weight oil, the filter wads up into a ball and plugs the oil flow off; kiss $25K goodbye - right now...

denny-o

silveradoman4

10-16-2009, 11:31 AM

That sucks

Scooter_092196

10-16-2009, 11:45 AM

Sorry to hear about your misfortune and good luck on getting Penzoil to pony up for a new motor.

Don't let the clowns on here get to you. Bashing happens on forums all the time. You just can't take it to heart.

double047

10-16-2009, 12:17 PM

Holy $hit, thanks for bring this to my attention, I have never really ran across any information about oil filters failing...until now!

Man I wish you the best of luck getting this resolved and I am going to go crawl under my truck and see what kind of oil filter is on it!

I am sure it is a Fram, because I use Kwik Kar and they use Pennzoil Yellow filters I believe which I have learned from this thread are Fram...

Again, this sucks and I hope it works out for you!

k9duramax

10-16-2009, 12:19 PM

crackers

10-16-2009, 12:30 PM

GOOD LUCK--Only time ive heard of something like that was 30 years ago -- when a Quakerstate filter pluged on a friends chevy v8 --was filter material came loose inside--Quakerstate paided for the moter-----yep---craig

LETHAL WEAPON

10-16-2009, 12:35 PM

Duramax-LMM

10-16-2009, 12:40 PM

Confession: Prior to buying my first Duramax and doing some research on oil filters etc being my first diesel, I always bought FRAM as do most Americans apparently for over 30 years since I started working on cars in 1977 .....

In fact I had just bought half a dozen on sale for assorted cars in the family fleet when I read about FRAM quality. The local parts store even had a WIX and FRAM cut open side by side on the counter....... All the sudden the light came on... And I actually RETURNED that purchase and bought WIX.

Now I run Mobil 1 oil filters on everything. FRAM airfilters etc fine on the cars, but that's all. The Duramax stays OEM for fuel, and the blue Donaldson airfilter. Oil filters you can do better filtration than AC Delco.

Yet you see people on this forum claim FRAM oil filters are just fine........ :rolleyes:

;)

dozerboy

10-16-2009, 12:49 PM

Sorry to hear about your truck and good luck.

wellsheit

10-16-2009, 01:43 PM

Now I run Mobil 1 oil filters on everything. FRAM airfilters etc fine on the cars, but that's all. The Duramax stays OEM for fuel, and the blue Donaldson airfilter. Oil filters you can do better filtration than AC Delco.

Mobil 1 filters go on every vehicle that I'm responsible for the care of. I have yet to put a fuel filter on OPEC (what I call my diesel), so I'm undecided which brand to go with or just to go OEM.

crackers

10-16-2009, 02:23 PM

I just got a email From HELLO >> Lethal Wepon--Im :confused: --I thought I just wished the guy good luck on getting moter taken care of--and just said QuakerState had taken care my friends moter with the bad filter----I WISH ALL THE BEST TO HIM---I WASNT IN NO WAY BEING NEGTIVE----craig

javelina80

10-16-2009, 02:48 PM

For those demanding pics... get real. You folks obviously do not understand how warranties, and repairs happen. If anything is changed or altered to the oil filter they will automaticaly refuse any work of any kind. I worked as a warranty clerk for a Case IH dealer. If something as small as an o-ring goes missing for a warranty repair, and Case asked us to return just that o-ring... we would lose the reimbursment. OP do not listen to anyone about altering your filter. I imagine pennzoil will take it anyway. Good luck with it all.

komh98

10-16-2009, 11:02 PM

dmaxboy08

10-17-2009, 12:52 AM

I stopped by the shop today. I was told NO you are not taking pics right now!! We are waiting on the Pennzoil rep. to come take a look. I was told if I cut the filter it would cost me. I asked if I could take a pic of the motor out of the truck. Again NO!! Cams are not allowed into shop. I was promised when all is said and done we are going to cut filter open and I would be able to get a pic. The mechanic said he has not seen a filter do this in years. Sorry so hold ya horses and I will get pics for ya..If you think I BS. then KISS MY you know what!!!!!!!!!!! Been hard enough making payment on a truck and not being able to enjoy it....Knowing it not my fault at all what happened.
Thanks for the supporting people!!!

well buddy i hope u get it all worked out and i hope u can enjoy ur truck from here on out with this being ur only BIG break-down!

MMLMM

10-17-2009, 01:15 AM

I stopped by the shop today. I was told NO you are not taking pics right now!! We are waiting on the Pennzoil rep. to come take a look. I was told if I cut the filter it would cost me. I asked if I could take a pic of the motor out of the truck. Again NO!! Cams are not allowed into shop. I was promised when all is said and done we are going to cut filter open and I would be able to get a pic. The mechanic said he has not seen a filter do this in years. Sorry so hold ya horses and I will get pics for ya..If you think I BS. then KISS MY you know what!!!!!!!!!!! Been hard enough making payment on a truck and not being able to enjoy it....Knowing it not my fault at all what happened.
Thanks for the supporting people!!!
Well if this really happened I hoe the best for you. Why wont the shop let you take pics? Is it at a place Penzoil sent you, or your place of choice? That sounds scary in itself.

I called BS from the beginning the way you worded your first post. You said the ECM shut the truck off, and that the filter collapsed (i was picturing a metal filter being sucked closed and crinkled up).

good luck either way.

k9duramax

10-17-2009, 12:35 PM

:nopics:- I wanna see some pics (of the old motor on the floor, a new one being put back in, and a check from Pennzoil in this guy's hand handing it to the shop to pay his bill......:ro). Good Luck!!!!

I hope that the posts about the pictures (especially the OP) and not supporting him are not aimed at me? I understand that you probably wouldn't/couldn't cut the filter open now- I wouldn't either. But I think it would be neat to see a pic of your motor on the floor, and one of a NEW one being dropped in at Penns expense..... That does seem a little hinky that they won't let you take a pic of YOUR truck that THEY are working on (this is not a shot about not believing you.... just seems very odd to me that have a rule like that); I would maybe try to find out why that is..? Good luck with it though- hope all is understood what/why I was talking about pics...

mightymax222

10-18-2009, 09:57 AM

i rarely change my own oil. i had my oil changed about a month ago and had them use rotella but didnt specify which filter i wanted... well after reading this i crawled under my truck and there was a damn yellow pennzoil filter under there :eek:.

This may be a dumb question but..... How much of a pain will it be to just change the filter without having to change oil.

k9duramax

10-18-2009, 10:57 AM

It is no problem at all to just do that.... Just spin it off, put your new one on with a coat of oil on the oring on the top of it and snug it down a little bit. Start your truck, check for leaks, wait 5 minutes, check oil and top off as needed...

sticky_designs

10-18-2009, 12:05 PM

I would want a new motor. If for nothing else, just the principle of the situation. Don't know why everybody is bein so hard on this guy. I would want to have a new motor also yes in deed. I hope you get one keep us posted on what penzoil says

sticky_designs

10-18-2009, 12:08 PM

I stopped by the shop today. I was told NO you are not taking pics right now!! We are waiting on the Pennzoil rep. to come take a look. I was told if I cut the filter it would cost me. I asked if I could take a pic of the motor out of the truck. Again NO!! Cams are not allowed into shop. I was promised when all is said and done we are going to cut filter open and I would be able to get a pic. The mechanic said he has not seen a filter do this in years. Sorry so hold ya horses and I will get pics for ya..If you think I BS. then KISS MY you know what!!!!!!!!!!! Been hard enough making payment on a truck and not being able to enjoy it....Knowing it not my fault at all what happened.
Thanks for the supporting people!!! I hope you get a new motor! If a rep is coming maybe you will! When is the rep coming?

komh98

10-18-2009, 01:32 PM

The rep. is suppose to be there to look at the truck October 22 at 230pm. I talked to the manager there and was informed I could take pics of my truck. The guy I talked to didn't know anything. I think he was just trying to cover his butt in case I wasn't suppose to go to the back of the shop. So when I get another chance I will get some pics.

JohnandAudrey

10-27-2009, 02:42 PM

Any updates?

Aahhyes68

10-27-2009, 05:48 PM

An update would be cool ! I've got my fingers crossed for you bud !!

Horsehaulin

10-27-2009, 11:37 PM

Pics of everything you can too!

komh98

11-03-2009, 09:37 AM

Hello all. Sorry I have not updated lately. I am on a drilling rig and not getting off for 4 more weeks. I have called the shop and GM is putting a new motor in the truck. All expenses on Pennzoil. I was told the motor will be in before I get out of here. But the oil filter is cut open waiting on me. I can't take it home for souvenir but I can take all the pics I want of it. I was told the paper part of the filter or what ever it is came apart and was sucked up into the motor. So bare with me I will get pic in a few weeks. Thanks.

wellsheit

11-03-2009, 10:02 AM

Glad this is getting fixed for you. Sounds like the proper outcome to me.

double047

11-03-2009, 10:04 AM

That is awesome, glad it is going to work out for you!

rodder55

11-03-2009, 12:25 PM

good to hear i gunna stick with my john deer filters i guess

Madspeed

11-03-2009, 01:22 PM

Glad to see you got everything taken care of :clap:

Brad92

11-03-2009, 08:01 PM

Sweet!!!!

Horsehaulin

11-03-2009, 10:14 PM

Glad to hear it is taken care of, still sorry to hear aboutit though!

Jerry01

11-04-2009, 10:13 AM

Glad it all worked out for you. And at least Pennzoil is owning up to it and not dragging it out forever. Jerry.

mreeves23

11-04-2009, 05:49 PM

Good to hear it is working out for. Pics of the filter will be neat to see!

Sgt.Diesel

11-04-2009, 11:38 PM

To bad for the experience and everything you have to go through but congrats on getting it fixed:clap:. Good on you Pennzoil for doing the right thing, way to take responsibility:clap:. GM needs to take a lesson from Pennzoil on warranty claims:D.

jblather

11-05-2009, 02:58 AM

Good to hear this might end up well for you. I've known about Fram filters for a while now.

I've been avoiding Fram since I saw the first Oil Filter Study years ago. I also wondered if they had improved their product over the last five or six years.

I guess the answer to that is NO.

Tallone

11-05-2009, 05:45 PM

Great news!

lotsofmiles

11-05-2009, 06:57 PM

Ok here it is. 2008 Duramax down for the count. About 100 miles from changing the oil the oil pressure dropped to zero. The computer shut the truck down. Everything looked normal to me. When it got to the shop, then it was discovered the oil filter collapsed. It is up in the air if Pennzoil is going to buy a motor. I will keep everyone updated on what is going to happen.
ok, I'm confused, still.

why would the computer shut the truck down?

My oil pressure dropped to to 0, and I still was able to drive the truck 700ish miles home with the oil pressure gauge reading 0 and the dash saying low oil pressure.

and yes, i have pics/vid of the truck running with the gauge saying 0 and the dash saying low pressure.

GetSome8.1HD

11-05-2009, 07:41 PM

Maybe he THOUGHT the computer shut it down but instead it seized? I cant believe you drove 700 miles with NO oil pressure unless the gauge was wrong. Thats incredible.

lotsofmiles

11-05-2009, 08:08 PM

gauge was wrong, point is the ecm said i had no oil pressure and never shut the truck down..

there is a thread i posted when it happened and pics/vid of it.

so why/how did the truck shut down?

EXTLMM

11-05-2009, 10:24 PM

good to hear i gunna stick with my john deer filters i guess

On your dmax? What filter fits?

ryanryan

11-05-2009, 11:19 PM

gauge was wrong, point is the ecm said i had no oil pressure and never shut the truck down..

there is a thread i posted when it happened and pics/vid of it.

so why/how did the truck shut down?

I didn't think it would........

Greatbear

11-06-2009, 11:53 AM

Many years ago I got a bulletin for my '89 Dodge Cummins regarding the use of Fram filters. Apparently there were many incidents of engine damage caused by the disintegration of the paper filter media, the debris clogging the piston cooling nozzles. Fram supposedly redesigned the filter for that application as a result. No matter, I had stopped using Frams after both reports and experiences of collapsed or 'loose' elements. I encountered no damage to any of the engines I used Fram filters on prior. I used to use Fram filters on everything, they were some of the highest rated filters you could buy. Once Allied Signal got hold of the brand, it seemed they went for quantity over quality. Frams became some of the cheapest filters you could buy, and available seemingly everywhere, before they were among the pricier filters that were found mostly at more serious auto parts houses. I have a couple pre-Allied Signal filters from the late 70s-early 80s still in my stock. They bear no resemblance to what's currently being sold save for the ruddy orange color. Stout internals with well designed antidrainback and bypass valves, metal-capped filter media and a robust canister and end-plate. Compare this with a flimsy canister, cheap cardboard end caps and sorry excuses for valving found these days. Fram is the OEM for Pennzoil and some other house brand filters, but other than the studies linked in the preceding posts, it's hard to know at a glance who uses them. Best to stay with name brand filters like Purolator and Wix/NAPA (my preferred brands), AC-Delco, Bosch, etc.

When you remove an oil filter and after you drain it of oil, give it a shake. If the element is loose it may be from a collapsed element or failed tensioning spring. Collapsing elements tend to happen with thick oil and/or running the engine hard before it's warmed up, not to mention caused by extremely dirty oil.