I would like to be able to refuel my truck with the large nozzle used at truck stops for the big rigs. Unfortunately, I get diesel splashing all over the place when I attempt to fill up with a large nozzle. Can the tank inlet be changed for one with a larger orifice, or can modifications be made to acept a large nozzle? I pulled out the fuel tank inlet assembly and found that the large rubber hose leading to the tank (behind the bed body panel) had another, smaller hose in it which went into the tank. Can I remove this smaller, inner hose and just use the outer rubber hose? The nozzle inlet is set up so that any fuel that spills out of the inner hose runs into the outer hose (the rubber one), also allowing it to function as a breather during refueling. If anybody has any suggestions, or if any compatible parts exist out there to swap them in, please let me know...thanks in advance.

I have not used one yet...this is really some bad news. Sometimes you have no choice at some of the truck stops. My first F truck had that problem but the '00 fixed the problem and my old '01 had no problems at the over the road fuel stops.


I would also like some more info. maybe it is a easy fix.

I dont know about the probability of doing such a thing, but it sure sounds feasable. I know that Transfer flow has a filler neck but its only for there tank..

Not true, Eric. I have the Transfer Flow high flow neck for the stock tank. Is it wonderful??? No. Is it better than stock, yea.





The problem with the stock filler is the center tube flows the fuel and it vents around the outside of it in the rest of the space you think is really filler. The filler amounts to only about a 1" tube.





The Transfer Flow is better but still uses a little of the main tube for the vent. The idle situation would have been to have an extrernal vent for the tank and get to use the whole filler tube diameter for filling.

I saw a small vent tube attached to the large rubber fill hose. This tube seems to come from the tank. Is it possible to use the large rubber fill hose (which is actually a vent), as the main fill hose? e.g. Removing the inner fill hose.

I also installed the Transfer Flow Fast-Flow Fillneck to my OEM 34 gallon tank. Stock flow tube and small nozzle was 13.5 GPM, and with the Fast-Fill and large nozzle, I fill at 18.5 GPM. Best thing is now I can fill anywhere, and don't have to wait in line for the pump with the small nozzle. I can fill with the big nozzle wide open. I guestimate how much fuel needed, and reduce flow when tank is about 90% full, so it doesn't spit fuel out when 100% full. See link below.


http://www.transferflow.com/html/gm_fillneck_kits.html





SerasLibre:


Others have tried removing the small plastic fill tube from the large rubber hose, and don't recall anyone with luck doing this. The tank will loose its vent when filling, and fuel will spit out at you. Search here and other forums for info.

Not true, Eric. I have the Transfer Flow high flow neck for the stock tank. Is it wonderful??? No. Is it better than stock, yea.


Larry, I stand corrected, Thanks for settin me straight. I remember reading somewhere that Transfer flow would not sell you the fill tube unless you bought the tank... I think I was mislead on that too if you have it.

I saw a small vent tube attached to the large rubber fill hose. This tube seems to come from the tank. Is it possible to use the large rubber fill hose (which is actually a vent), as the main fill hose? e.g. Removing the inner fill hose.





That is not the tank vent. It is actually the rear end vent tube. Trace it and you'll see where it goes. The stock vent tube is internal in the filler and only vents the tank during fueling.

Not true, Eric. I have the Transfer Flow high flow neck for the stock tank. Is it wonderful??? No. Is it better than stock, yea.





Larry, I stand corrected, Thanks for settin me straight. I remember reading somewhere that Transfer flow would not sell you the fill tube unless you bought the tank... I think I was mislead on that too if you have it.





I think they will not sell the aftermarket fast fill neck without one of their tanks. The fillers are different.

TransferFlow has two different Fast Fill Neck Kits. One is designed to work with the OEM fuel tank and can be had for $ 126.89 Part No. 020-01-11726. The other is designed to work with TransferFlow's 45 and 56 gallon replacement tanks. It can be had for $ 87.83 Part No. 020-01-11889. Note that the second one ONLY works with their replacement tanks and will not work with the OEM tank.


This can all be found at: http://www.transferflow.com/html/gm_fillneck_kits.html

OK, so how difficult is the install? I'm tired of rinsing the diesel off my paint too, so if it is a simple install I'm sold!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifSPICER

Several people over on TDP have removed the vent tube and restrictor from their OEM filler neck. It can be done by detaching the filler from the fender, unclamping the rubber hose, pulling the filler and the vent tube (called "the python" by one fellow) out of the tank. the vent hose pulls off and the restrictor is press-fit into the filler neck. The restrictor can be carefully driven out with a large socket used as a punch. Those that made this change reported that it allows easy insertion of the large nozzles, but did not prevent burp-back or speed up filling to any extent. The large nozzles have pretty heavy flow and pressure, so the only real advantage to removing the restrictor would be getting the nozzle fully inserted and removing that "restrictor blowback" that you get when trying to balance the big nozzle against the restrictor.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Oh, BTW, one absolute restriction by Transferflow is that they WILL NOT sell their through-the-cap filler neck unless you have one of their tanks. I tried to buy one when I installed my American Tank in the bed and was pretty rudely denied. So I bought an OEM chassis-cab filler and some parts and cobbled-up my own. The GM Chassis cab filler assemby is an unrestricted version of our filler neck and probably is a direct replacement. I believe I paid $36 for it over-counter at a Chevy dealer!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Idle-Chatter, Check out the link in the above post. It appears that there is one available now for the OE tank...SPICER

How about this....


Does GM make a filler for the 4500 series truck that is different than the 2500/3500? What I am getting at is that GM may already have one out there to use. And it might be able to mount on our smaller truck.


This should not even be a issue...driving a diesel truck means sometimes you'll need to us the "Big Truck" pumps, and shoudl be able too without any problems or modifcations. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

NoWake, that's pretty much what I was saying in my last post. There are photos of the chassis cab filler assembly in my link below and I would wager that it is a direct-replacement for our restricted and "hosed" filler neck assembly. I'll have to take a closer look at my through-the-cap rig and the truck, but I suspect it's a clearly swapable issue.

Thanks, I will look at the pics.

I am looking at the Chassis Cab Filler right? and you said you got that at the a GM dealer for $36 over the counter. Do you have a GM part number for that.


That is also one hell of a set up!

Yep, the Chassis Cab Filler is just the black metal "filler neck." I'll try and find the part number for you when I get home tonight. The part did not include the cap, which was another $4.50, as I recall.

Yep, I have the bigger TransFer Flow filler neck and it works great! Pull up to the big rig pumps and drop that nozzle in there, set it on high and let her rip. About 3-4 minutes later it's full! Take you another hour to top it off however....LOL ha ha ha


Just depends on what you call full! I like to see it sitting there about 1/2 inch below the cap and not going down anymore. Easier and more accurate to check mileage that way if you fill up to the same level everytime. I usually get 1-2 more gallons in by topping off.

Chevysrus, How is the install? Easy? Any major cutting on the tank? SPICER

Spicer, the transferflow doesn't involve any cutting of the tank. If I recall it only required cutting out a section of the rubber filler hose so you could insert the vent piece. In all its EASY to install.

NoWake, you're blessed - I can't find ANYTHING since moving to Ohio, but I happened to unearth the parts invoice for the chassis cab filler in about 2 minutes of looking!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Parts are: 15040338 - Pipe 3.003 - List 44.10, Net 27.56


15763229 - Cap 3.028 - List 6.66, Net 4.66


So the fill neck and cap cost me 33.99

I haven't figured out what is the big deal! I have filled from the big boys' pumps a few times, and it is a little inconvenient, but no real problem, certainly not enough to spend $126.99 {I think that was posted price}!

Parts are: 15040338 - Pipe 3.003 - List 44.10, Net 27.56


15763229 - Cap 3.028 - List 6.66, Net 4.66


So the fill neck and cap cost me 33.99








Thank you for your time...I will head to the dealer tomorrow and talk with them and order it.

Does anyone know if GM has changed the fill lines on the 04 trucks? Mine is due to be delivered this week or next and I need to be able to fill at pumps with the larger pumps- I just can't examine it for myself b/c its not here yet http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif. The TransferFlow web page only lists the part for 01-03...


Thanks,


David

<quote>


Several people over on TDP have removed the vent tube and restrictor from their OEM filler neck. It can be done by detaching the filler from the fender, unclamping the rubber hose, pulling the filler and the vent tube (called "the python" by one fellow) out of the tank. the vent hose pulls off and the restrictor is press-fit into the filler neck. The restrictor can be carefully driven out with a large socket used as a punch. Those that made this change reported that it allows easy insertion of the large nozzles, but did not prevent burp-back or speed up filling to any extent. The large nozzles have pretty heavy flow and pressure, so the only real advantage to removing the restrictor would be getting the nozzle fully inserted and removing that "restrictor blowback" that you get when trying to balance the big nozzle against the restrictor.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif </quote>





I did this mod a while back. It was pretty simple and straight forward. Yes the big nozzles fit just fine, but you really have to be careful not to get drenched. Here's a pic. http://www.joshgriffin.net/powerstrokethis/9.jpg

I just got my 04 crew cab a few weeks back and the fill tube is still the small one.


I'm like everyone else.....yeah you can do the mods or buy the kit from Transfer Flow for $127 but hey I just spent a ton of $$$ on this truck and now I have to mess around finding a pump with the right nozzel or being careful not to get drenched in fuel.


Chevy's official response through the service bulletins is "if the customer complains tell them that they need to find a fuel pump with the smaller nozzel". I'd like to see enough people complain to where GM might change it out for us. I probaby shouldn't hold my breath though, oh well.....

Would it be posssible to punch out the restrictor and reroute the vent tube somehow? like out side the hose assy using "T" fittings? just curious. AkDually61

AkDually61, the "vent tube" that we are referring to is a 2" diameter corrugated white plastic hose that is attached to the metal restrictor in the fuel neck and extends down the filler hose and into the fuel tank _inside_ (coaxial to) the filler hose. It's about three feet long! The theory is that fuel will flow into the tank inside the plastic tube and the tank can vent back up the filler hose outside the plastic tube in the gap between the "python" and the outer filler hose.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Edited by: Idle_Chatter

Idle_Chatter, I am assuming that the GM part # you listed above for the large fill tube is a direct replacement for the fill tube on our standard tanks. Have you installed this fill tube on a standard tank? Comments? It sure beats the price of the after-market option. SPICER

Spicer, the filler neck that I listed is what I'm using in my home-made through-the-cap filler for my aux tank. After looking at it, I'm making an educated guess that it is the same as our restricted filler neck without the restrictor - but not physically confirmed. It would still require the removal of the OEM restricted filler neck (with extraction of the "python" vent sleeve) and replacement of that neck with the chassis-cab model that I listed. If you are going through that much disassembly, you could just as easily pull the vent sleeve off your OEM filler neck and drive out the restrictor with a large socket and save yourself $35.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I too don't see what the big deal is, I've filled mine up at the OTR pumps a few times with no problems, just set it to pump slow, it's still at least as fast as a regular small nozzle.


$127 is alot to spend to save 30 seconds at the pump.. $35 is certainly more reasonable, let us know if it works..

I removed the restrictor and vent tube contraption from my truck so I could fill from the big pumps and although the pump fits now there is still a serious vent problem. Some big pumps can't even run at their slowest setting without puking fuel foam all over my truck. I put my tail between my legs and went back to the auto island small nozzle. I think the transfer flow deal may be the ticket.

FWIW, many of the people that installed the Transferflow filler had puking issues until someone realized that the vent hose angle was critical to proper operation. Apparently if it is not completely straight on the installations - the filler will burp and puke foam.

OK...get this one and I admit that this information is through a friend of a friend that works at GM......


Word has it that the reason GM put the small fill neck into the Duramax trucks was to try to force customers into not using truck stop fuel pumps. Apparently GM believes that the truck stop fuel is a lower grade than normal consumer pumps and by restricting the use of the high flow nozzels they are trying to get customers to all No. 1 fuel all of the time. In a round about way this info came from the engineer that designed the fuel system.


I don't have any experience with "truck stop" fuel grades in comparison to consumer pumps like Kwik Trip or BP. Anyone think this idea holds weight?

I don't think trucking companies would stand for it if they were getting sh*t grade fuel.. And it's #2 diesel we want, #1 is winter blend (won't gel as easy but sucks for performance and fuel mileage).


I would tend to think that the big pumps have fresher fuel in them, since they go through so much of it.

Diesel is diesel....I would almost guess that auto diesel is coming from the same tank the 'big truck' diesel is coming from. I have been using truck stop fuel ever since fuel I used at Mobile gelled up on me.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif 6hours later we got the truck running after it was towed to my friends garage.


Now matter how you look at it diesel is a dirty fuel auto or big truck. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

dirty old man wrote"
"I haven't figured out what is the big deal! I have filled from the big boys' pumps a few times,
and it is a little inconvenient, but no real problem, certainly not enough to spend $126.99 {I
think that was posted price}! "

Dirty old man.... I agree
I have no problem filling at the truck stops...... just need to run the pump
handle at about 1/3 throttle. What is the rush to fill?

Word has it that the reason GM put the small fill neck into the Duramax trucks was to try to force customers into not using truck stop fuel pumps. Apparently GM believes that the truck stop fuel is a lower grade than normal consumer pumps and by restricting the use of the high flow nozzels they are trying to get customers to all No. 1 fuel all of the time. In a round about way this info came from the engineer that designed the fuel system.


The other posts are right... no difference in the fuel between the two pumps and about the differences between #1 and #2 fuels.


Here's a link to a nice article on "All About Diesel Fuel:"


http://www.bankspower.com/tech_aboutdieselfuel.cfmEdited by: JohnnyO

Hey guys,
This is my first post to these forums. I’m a Design Engineer in the driveline area here at GM. I’ve been reading posts for a while and find that there is a lot of good info and very helpful people as well as a few misconceptions. I think I can offer some info on this subject that may clear up a few things. After having read several posts pertaining to the use of high transfer rate fuel nozzles at truck stops, I made a call to the fuel area here at GM. Without getting into the reasons why the filler neck does not except the high transfer size nozzle at this time, I would like to inform everyone that the filler neck issue will be resolved as an interim change in the 2004 model year. Don’t waste your money on the after market filler neck just yet, wait and see how this all pans out after the change. I have passed this website on to some of the members of the engineering community here at The General and hopefully we can utilize the info found in these forums to hear the “voice of the customer” as we call it.

Fantastic, Welcome.

Welcomehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Name isnt along the lines of that old joke?


You know I had a friend that worked at a panty hose plant as a dieselfitter. He put each pair on and exclaimed "dees el fit er" (if my bad hooked on phonix makes sense http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif)

ummmm.....and if the man asks, my truck is stock. yeah stock......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Hi there Diesel Fitter, and welcome aboard! It will be great to have GM Engineering's ear on issues/concerns as well as your thoughts as available.


As you and your group moves around the board, you will find the biggest concern is the life cycle of Injectors/failure modes/Root Cause. Shedding light on this topic will definitely provide the biggest bang for the buck in GM Duramax Customer satisfaction/customer loyalty. As you are probably aware, most purchase trucks with these motors, in part, for longevity. At a $5000 premium for the diesel option we are paying, the concern of an additional $5000 for replacement of 8 injectors out of warranty (not to mention concerns for internal motor damage when injectors flood the crankcase during warranty) has many folks scrambling for after market filtration, and fuel lubricants. Had I done some more research before buying, I likely would have gone a different route (brand or fuel type). For the additional $10,000 total, a whole lot of gas can be purchased and even a full gasoline motor replacement with a bunch of cash left over. The GM Diesel option currently appears to be risky financial decision. Edited by: srode

Welcomehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Name isnt along the lines of that old joke?


You know I had a friend that worked at a panty hose plant as a dieselfitter. He put each pair on and exclaimed "dees el fit er" (if my bad hooked on phonix makes sense http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif)








Yeah, it's from the old joke.

srode,


I know the injector/filtration issue is a big one. I did mention it during the phone discussion with the fuel engineer this morning. All I can do is pass the info on to the responsible parties. I have to believe the General is looking into this.

Diesel Fitter I’m glad we can at least get someone that can give feedback to GM that will hopefully listen to us. Would appreciate keeping us abreast of developments.


Tell GM that fixes they put into the new trucks, make it so we can retro fit it to what we have already bought. I have a 2002 with 45500 already, and I bought this truck KNOWING I wanted 200000 miles out of it....it is WHY I bought it. Now I have some fears of major expenses. If I get burned with a bill of that type, because of bad engineering and I don't get something back from GM, I'll stop the buying of GM vehicles I've done for the last 40 years. Have them look at the GM Master card rebates I’ve taken. They surely don’t want to lose customers like me.

Diesel Fitter...


Welcome to the group!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif You are going to find that this group houses some really dedicated and proud owners!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Dirty old man.... I agree
I have no problem filling at the truck stops...... just need to run the pump
handle at about 1/3 throttle. What is the rush to fill?


It is not a matter of rushing. It is a matter of having the proper plumbing for the job.


But on thing I will say about rushing...if you are using the 'Big Truck' remember the Peterbilt, Freightshaker, or Kenworth waiting behind you is working....not playinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif!


When your done move the truck then pay, get your drink, and chips. I always appreciated that when I was driving. Edited by: NoWake200

After moving your truck ahead that doesn't mean you can go take a dump, smoke a few cigarettes and watch Jerry Springer in the truckers lounge either! It's hard to back up them super-b's so after he's done filling up behind you, your truck better be gone.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Thanks Diesel Fitter for taking this back to GM. It would be nice to see this as a change and a possible retro fit to current models.

Ok guys
The question I sent to fuel dept:
Rick,
If I wanted to replace my current diesel filler neck with the new one that's coming would it be a direct replacement? I'm wondering if there were any changes to the tank or anything.

The Response: (names removed for obvious reasons)

You are not gonna like the answer to your question.
First, of all, my sources are 3 guys: name (he released the parts for '04),name, and name in case you would like to contact them for better info than my second-hand knowledge. They tell me that you cannot swap out just the filler. You could get a new fuel tank AND filler (for about $1000 total) and they will both bolt into place. Another thing you should know too, according to the same engineers- the filler on your truck is a concentric fill/vent and apparently you cannot just ream out the inlet to allow the larger truck stop nozzle to fit. The inlet "necks down" like a funnel into a 1" hose that is the filler hose. The outer, larger size hose of the concentric fill/vent acts as the vent.
They also urged me to warn you that some truck stop fuel pumps are set to a flow rate of 60 gallons/minute, which would literally flood fuel all over your feet if you tried to pump that into your truck with the non-accepting filler inlet. Imagine one gallon per second...
All bad news I am afraid.
Will talk more next week, time to fly...<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAM

So all the 04's accept the larger nozzle?

No my '04 is restricted.


That is a typical answer from a corporate type, they would never admit to a design flaw, this should be a no brainer!! These trucks are pulling 5th wheels that can not fit into a auto diesel station....they are not out there in the real world seeing the needs of there owners.


Sorry to sound bitter...it seems that everything is a problem.


Let me tell everyone something....my last two Fords had the big holes for the OTR pumps...NEVER HAD ONE SIGNAL PROBLEM fueling.

I have only filled my truck up once so far, at a truck pump, and I tend to believe GM did the filler size thing on purpose. The response from Fuel Engineering would tend to make me believe that they give it much thought about the AVERAGE truck buyer who would put the big ol'e nozzle in the neck and let her rip!. The first twenty seconds would pass by uneventfully but by the time the backpressure kickoff worked, there would be a couple of gallons on the ground, over you if you were watching, and all over the side of your truck. Since my Degree is in Environmental Management, I can tell you with good assurance, that the fuel station owners would not want the EPA coming up for a visit http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif.


I think the Engineers thought better to err on the side of conservatism, rather than taking the more risky and liabalous route.


just my 0.02 worth.


Anyway, I can only fill at 0.2 gallons per second or I get too much backpressure. Even at that rate, I put in 28.5 gallons in about 4 mins. Most of that was because I was topping the tank.


NoWake200 is right, when you're done fueling, get out of the way. The big boys will tolarate us as long as we don't annoy them too bad. (They do cut slack for Manly trucks though http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif)

srode,


I know the injector/filtration issue is a big one. I did mention it during the phone discussion with the fuel engineer this morning. All I can do is pass the info on to the responsible parties. I have to believe the General is looking into this.





Thanks in advance for any information that can be directed our way. I was sure GM was painfully aware of the problems, and so the modifications to the LLY..... Any help understanding for us LBY owners will be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing more, and as I said before, your folks help on other questions/topics. I think it's great that you can take the time to get better aquainted with the customers, it will surely pay huge dividends for GM in the future.


Steve

DavesDmax,


You are right about the EPA thing...but I have to laugh because I have seen MANY diesel puddles in front of the auto pumps(small). I am sure the engineers put many hours into there work, but they did not do it in the real world. I see it all the time in my field and I am sure it is not any different in the auto world. It works on paper and it really works good on the computer. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


What make me upset is two things....


First my last two Fords had ZERO problems with the OTR pumps(I like rounding off my $ but with the OTR pumps that is a no can dohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif). Not saying Ford is a better truck because of the fuel filler.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif But it sure is nice not to have to worry about the stops.


Second, they say there is a different fuel tank set up that we can get for about $1,000.00 from GM! WHAT....WHY....why is this tank not standard on ALL Duramax FRAMES!!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


These are trucks that have HD in there title, there is nothing HD in only being able to us the auto pumps.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif

I would tend to defend the Engineers. I'm sure they have a smart bunch of guys with common sense. I would bet many of their designs and decisions (maybe out of their control), are all base on $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. You know how much money the company saves if they cut cost by a couple of dollers per truck? Look what they saved by the cheap a$$ shocks, tires, batteries, ........ that we get OEM.


As far as the comment "I put in 28.5 gallons in about 4 mins", with my stock filler tube at my local station, I could fill 27 gallons in 2 minutes, (13.5 GPM). After replacing the stock filler tube with the Transfer Flow, at the same pump, which has a large and small nozzle, I could fill 27 gallons in just under 1.5 minutes, (18.5 GPM) with the large nozzle.


For me, it wasn't that I could save 30 seconds at a fillup, but the piece of mind that I could fill up at a truck stop, and not have to babysit the large nozzle for four minutes at 1/3 open. Also, there are many lanes at a truck stop, (with at least one open), and most stations with the small nozzle have only one pump, with several people in line, waiting to use it. You know how long that can take.

I guess you are right.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


But next time you see a Ford or Dodge(diesel) owner ask them if they have to worry about using OTR pumps. I already know the answer. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif Maybe there engineers are just one step ahead with the fueling thing.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


It is not a speed thing at all....it just about being able to diesel into our tanks. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Love that smell of diesel fuel, but not when you take a bath in it.


Just got back from filling up at the truck stop where I buy most of my fuel. They only have one pump that fit our tanks and it was in use. They guy was sitting in his truck talking on his cell phone, I waited a bit for him but his phone was more important. So I went to one of the other pumps with the big nozzel, done that many times and not had many problems. This one did not shut off by itself, and I must have been holding the end tight in the filler pipe, because when I noticed it starting to overflow and shut off the pump it came out like "Old Faithful". What a mess!!! It seems like there are more automatic shut offs that don't work on diesel than I have ever seen on gas pumps.





I have been thinking of purchasing theTransfer Flow filler kit. Not to make the filling go faster, but hopefully cleaner. What has been your experience with the Transfer Flow Kit, does it work????????

PA24Pilot quote from previous post: “The guy was sitting in his truck talking on his cell phone”


Like I said earlier in this post, it’s not just the fact that at the same pump, the large nozzle fills at 18.5 GPM, where the small nozzle fills at 13.5 GPM. I can pull up to any of many pumps at a Truck Stop to fill, and not have to wait in line for the one small nozzle, when the owner of the truck in front of me is sitting in the crapper reading a magazine. I don’t have the patients to baby-sit the large nozzle at 1/3 open with the OEM fillneck.
I bought my Transfer Flow Fillneck about a year ago. Had been looking at it for a while, thinking the price quote at that time of $85 was too much. Then the price jumped to $126. I called Transfer Flow back and questioned the large price increase, and they sold me one at wholesale for $105. I guess the $85 wasn’t so much after all.

Ihave an ummodified 02 D/A and fill from the big nozzle pumps all the time. Yes, you have to hold the nozzle and keep it going slow, but it works and like someone said you spend time topping it off anyway so you can see the fuel level in the fill tube. Just not that big of an issue for me. But I see a pre-oem fuel filter in my future.





Jack