How are you supposed to rotate your tires I hear one thing the manual says another

Don't forget that the service manual says 175 lb ft for dual
wheels and 140 lb ft for the single wheels :exactly:

when I rotate the tires on ours we follow the pattern in the book


Jim

Robert,
There are 2 ways, 1 includes the spare in the sequence, the other is a straight 6 wheel rotation. Remember the inner wheels in the rear will be Ugly when turned out. Gonna have to scrub them to see the silver again. I avoided the rotation problem altogether by purchasing Alcoa's. Rotation process ended as I cannot rotate unless I want to dis-mount the tires on each wheel.... ):h

Just make sure of a couple safety things. Our trucks weigh an awful lot. Get it up on jackstands all the way around on level ground. Make sure you TQ the nuts to right the spec. Also you will find that the center cap does not always want to screw back on to the outer thread on the nut on the wheel. be patient or it will leave like a frisbee. If you lose one, Do not stop to pick it up, trust me...it will be garbage. They do not fair well once airborn.....:lol:

They do not fair well once airborn.....:lol:

:muahaha::funnypost

):h CrazyDaze....

I speak from experience on that deal...Saw one of them fly right by the side of my truck when I was reelin along doin 70+. Took off like a skeet....I slowed down and pulled over to go get. I think I found parts of the Bowtie from the center... however I am just not sure..it was not recognizable.......:lol:

Always watch how they rotate them. They must be rotated so that the tires still turn the same direction as their previous place. (At least for the front wheels, the back don't matter so much.) After some driving that bounce/shake will come out of it mostly.

Right front --> to inside right
inside right --> to outside left
outside left --> to right front

Left front --> to inside left
inside left --> to outside right
outside right --> to left front

If you do it that way there shouldn't be any shake. After I started to rotate them that way I've had no problems. There are probably other ways to do it but as long as the tire never changes direction of rotation you'll be good. I've done it by the book and let some tire shops rotate for me but I always have a shake if because they always change the direction of the tire.

the book has them swithcing directions??? i don't understand

I don't bother any more. When I get tire wearing I just buy 2 fronts and put the best 4 of the six in the rear. These trucks usually tear up a set of fronts every year. Since there is no way to Alain these trucks unless you run the same way all the time. I run my truck winter 800 lbs of snow plow out front some times with 4000 lbs of salt and salter, rest of year empty, loaded, loaded with trailer or empty with trailer.

Always watch how they rotate them. They must be rotated so that the tires still turn the same direction as their previous place..

Very important. Some will say No Matter............ BS.

After some driving that bounce/shake will come out of it mostly.

Right front --> to inside right
inside right --> to outside left
outside left --> to right front

Left front --> to inside left
inside left --> to outside right
outside right --> to left front

If you do it that way there shouldn't be any shake. After I started to rotate them that way I've had no problems. There are probably other ways to do it but as long as the tire never changes direction of rotation you'll be good. I've done it by the book and let some tire shops rotate for me but I always have a shake if because they always change the direction of the tire.

Pay attention novice, he's right.

Idahofox

After having my tires rotated/balanced the first time my truck bounced down the road. I had one tire that was separting at the sidewall so I just assumed that was the problem. Still bounced! I went back and had them balance all the tires again, actually watched them do it, all were balanced correctly. Still bounces! :(

I'm thinking they didnt' follow the proper rotation the first time and now I don't know which way each tire has spun before. Screwed? :o: JJ :)

Yup, sorry.

It's not Rocket Science.

Axle torque will Wind-Up your springs, right ?

Axle torque will change the axial relationship of the static wheel/tread position, (advancing the wheel position from the tread position {minor sidewall distortion}) over time this will permently change the shape/angles of the radial belts. (We used to screw the tire to the rim, why?)

Change rotating direction and the shape/angles will change Again, times Two.

For what it's worth.

Idahofox

Good intel IdahoFox,

Can I quote you on this? :D Mama JJ is going to think I'm just making this up in order to get me a set of Michelin XPS tires, either the Rib or Traction tires, haven't decided yet! ;) Seems I can justify just about anything when it comes to this truck.

My truck literally bounces down the road now. Last time it was in the shop I watched the guy balance them, took forever but he got er' done. Under 60mph it isn't too bad, over 60 hold on! My primary concern is the structural integrity of the tires when Mama JJ or I are towing the 5ver.

Got to go, I have some tire shopping to do. Later. JJ :)

I have rotated mine since day one just as the owners manual stated to do it and have never had a vibration problem at all. I have almost 40K miles on them, rotate them about every 12.5K and they run great. I will need new tires by the end of summer and I plan on rotating them the same way I have rotated these.

Throwing in my .16 Cents worth

Before I got my Alcoa's I rotated my tires 2 times(including the spare in the sequence which is optional) I never exeperienced any sort of vibration or bouncing. I ended up getting 46K miles on the OEM Goodyear hides. I was happy with first set and opted for another. Ran those about the same and never had a problem. Dumped them after 48Kish miles and added the Alcoa's with the Revo's. Significant improvement. The Revo's are much better in ride quality than the good years, but again 3 sets and no bounce and Routinely go 80 mph. Sometimes with a trailer..Shhhhhh...I know but in NV, the speed limit is 70.

Ick, I had forgotten just how bad it feels when you are the one on the short end of the stick! :( Well, I did get almost 21k miles out of the OEM tires. Given that they totally suck I'm not feeling too bad. I'm zeroing in on either the Bridgestone A/T Dueler Revos or the Michelin XPS traction tires.

On a positive note, I just got off the phone with Mama JJ and told her for fathers day I wanted a Mike L. tranny cooler. I could have sworn she uttered something like "Your not the father". :eek: Wazzup wi' dat? :confused:

She wants to send GM the bill since they put a POS tranny cooler on her, uh our truck in the first place. Just one more mod to go after this one, the tranny! :ro) Christmas? :rolleyes: Appreciate the feedback. :D Later. JJ :)

JJ,
Well...Here is how I play this out with Mama Duramax Dually...):h I say "Hey look, I could be out drinking and hanging out in pool halls...;) At least you know where every penny is going....". The other is the rational is that I need to enjoy this now, cuz later I am not going to be able too...I always say not everything we buy has to be an investment sometimes we just need the "FEEL GOOD" factor....JJ, I am loaded with these deals... :exactly: I am working on my 19.5 deals now. Tough sell, But she is weakening..I can sense it...:lol:

Sorry you had a bad set of rubber on your truck. I have heard of others with same issue.
Tell her you can really fix it by tossin on some 19.5's just skip the 16 inchers....

[QUOTE=Cummin'_Stroke_this_Dmax]Always watch how they rotate them. They must be rotated so that the tires still turn the same direction as their previous place. (At least for the front wheels, the back don't matter so much.) After some driving that bounce/shake will come out of it mostly.


Very few modern tires are directional , unless stated on tire , I agree with the idea of wear the fronts , buy new fronts put them to the rear to wear them out , we do this with a small fleet of Semi's and the trailers , you will always have god steer tires and the duals are a lot easier to limp in on aflat .

[QUOTE=carhauler
Very few modern tires are directional , unless stated on tire , I agree with the idea of wear the fronts , buy new fronts put them to the rear to wear them out , we do this with a small fleet of Semi's and the trailers , you will always have god steer tires and the duals are a lot easier to limp in on aflat .[/QUOTE]

It's not so much as to have new tires on the front as to keep whatever tires that are going on the front to be going the same rotation as they were in their previous location.

I ended up getting 46K miles on the OEM Goodyear hides.

51,000 on my OEM Goodyears........ looks like I can make it to
60,000 :ro)

51,000 on my OEM Goodyears........ looks like I can make it to
60,000 :ro)

I made it to 79k on those. With rotation.......

Man you guys are good. I probably could have taken mine further but I am a firm believer taking them right to end of tire life is a HUGE risk when towing 11K lbs. To much at stake. Now as a daily driver....Totally different. I always feared the blow out in the middle of the Mojave desert, around 2pm, 115 degrees, trying to jack up truck with trailer...You know.....UGLY.....

Very few modern tires are directional , unless stated on tire,.....

It is true that most modern tires Do Not have directional Tread, unless stated, as you said.

This has nothing to do with changes to the tire's radial belts, Position/Angle, over time. Your "Tire Guy" won't tell you, experience will.

Idahofox

Always watch how they rotate them. They must be rotated so that the tires still turn the same direction as their previous place. (At least for the front wheels, the back don't matter so much.) After some driving that bounce/shake will come out of it mostly.

Right front --> to inside right
inside right --> to outside left
outside left --> to right front

Left front --> to inside left
inside left --> to outside right
outside right --> to left front

If you do it that way there shouldn't be any shake. After I started to rotate them that way I've had no problems. There are probably other ways to do it but as long as the tire never changes direction of rotation you'll be good. I've done it by the book and let some tire shops rotate for me but I always have a shake if because they always change the direction of the tire.

Switching directions for radials is no big thing like it used to be, I've done it numerous ways and never have had any problems. My last dually I got 93,000 miles out of the BFG Edge tires, rotated however I felt was right, and they actually started rotting before they wore out (lasted 10 years). My 03 has been rotated 3 times and I always switch directions and no bouncing at all. In fact I 'x' my 2 SRT10's, and other cars, and never have any bouncing.

Good for you.

93,000 miles rotated 3 times; rotated each 31,000 miles?

Your SRT10's don't have the torque of a DMAX ! Apples to Oranges.

Idahofox

Cummin'_Stroke_this_Dmax has the right idea on the rotation. The tire shop that I bought my current set of Revos from gives me free rotation with each service (5,000 mi) He uses this same rotation method. I never have a problem with vibrations. The set has about 35K on them know, I figure they are good for at least 20K more. The original Wranglers had about 50K on them. After one of them blew out on the RF at 80 mph *GVW about 28-30K*, I figured it was time for new ones:D

Fannypack, you sure have a lot of experience, knowledge, and mileage under your belt to have been born in 1990.):h :jawdrop:

Switching directions for radials is no big thing like it used to be, I've done it numerous ways and never have had any problems. My last dually I got 93,000 miles out of the BFG Edge tires, rotated however I felt was right, and they actually started rotting before they wore out (lasted 10 years). My 03 has been rotated 3 times and I always switch directions and no bouncing at all. In fact I 'x' my 2 SRT10's, and other cars, and never have any bouncing.

Good for you. I've heard the switching directions doesn't make any difference story before and it's crap. All I have to say is if they got reversed - it bounced/shook the steering wheel. When they are not reversed I've never had a problem. So with that little tid bit of knowledge why would you risk it and rotate them anyother way???? If you've never had a problem - fine, your lucky. That's like me saying that I run my stack Predator with Edge J/A on kill mode and have never had any tranny problems (which I haven't) YET!

If one takes the time to do a 7 tire rotation every 8-10,000 mi you can get some pretty incredible mi on a set of tires. My last set of goodyears went 160,000 mi before the dreaded 2/32's. the american generals that came stock on the '04 are about cooked at 120,000. But still not bad for towing heavy most everyday!:blahblah:

Now that is VERY good!

I reversed direction of rotation on a set of radials many years ago and they all came apart with broken sidewall cords! I've been told by tire stores it's no longer a concern, but then I've also been told I have to run the maximum pressure in tires in an empty truck by tire stores, and that putting a larger size 12 volt battery would burn up my electrical system! A GM dealer service writer told me synthetic ATF would destroy an Allison! So, until a tire company engineer tells me it's safe, I'm maintaining direction of rotation when I rotate! Who do you trust now days!!!!

I stopped at "Discount Tire" the other day - was recommended by my usual repair shop. They use a diagram that says make a circle on each side. Out to in, in to front, front to out. Maintains same rotation.

For $88, they put a road hazards replacement guarantee on all six of my tires. (That's $14 per tire.) If anything happens to any of them as long as they have usable tread, they'll replace the tire. I'm not that big a fan of the General. I had a buddy lose a General on a 1000 mile trip. No fun.

Ed

I stopped at "Discount Tire" the other day - was recommended by my usual repair shop. They use a diagram that says make a circle on each side. Out to in, in to front, front to out. Maintains same rotation.

Ed

I understand and agree with this.

Idahofox

For $88, they put a road hazards replacement guarantee on all six of my tires. (That's $14 per tire.) If anything happens to any of them as long as they have usable tread, they'll replace the tire.
Ed

I understand, but my concern is safety! So I'm going to keep the rotation of the tire the same until I'm convinced by a "real" expert it's not necessary any more! It's not that much more trouble to keep the rotation of the tire the same! With tires, I'm a belt AND suspenders guy!

I stopped at "Discount Tire" the other day - was recommended by my usual repair shop. They use a diagram that says make a circle on each side. Out to in, in to front, front to out. Maintains same rotation.
Ed

It maintains the direction for the tires going onto the front but not the back ones unless you flip/flop sides.

Well I have custom wheels so there is no rotation without dismounting and mounting. How long do tires last when not rotated? 75% of norm????

Well I have custom wheels so there is no rotation without dismounting and mounting. How long do tires last when not rotated? 75% of norm????

Good question. The rears will probably hold up ok the front will wear out first especially if you live/drive in town alot. All the tight turning really rounds/scuffs the front tires.

Well I have custom wheels so there is no rotation without dismounting and mounting. How long do tires last when not rotated? 75% of norm????

I never rotate mine fronts good mine are due at 15,000 miles. I lot easier for me to just to buy fronts every 2 years, than to mess up six tires. There is no one way to have the alignment set to be right 100% of time. [empty, loaded, trailer, loaded with trailer, or with snow plow]