I was wondering if it would be possible to run Twin Aurora 5000 Turbos on on each header. Would That crack the heads or blow the gaskets? If not whut the most psi each turbo could run, I know the turbo can do 60+ psi. Also on Twins would i be able to run them both in the Stock exhaust manifold? Would I have to run the two turbo pipes together into the manifold or have twin manifolds and twin exhaust systems. Im thinkin of doin it in the future and would kinda like to know whut im lookin at. Iknow I have to have 2 intakes just wonderin how to set everything else up.


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ATS Aurora 5000 Duramax Turbo Upgrade Kit

One of the most drastic mods you can make. Over a year of design went into making this a bolt on kit requireing little fabrication for the end user.
Starting with a HUGE turbo with custom designed impeller thats sits atop a specially made pedestal. This all bolts in stock location and allows stock uppipes to attatch. Kit comes with a 4" downpipe assembly, air intake kit, and required hardware.

While this is a bolt in kit, it can be an intimidating install. We have found that trans removal allows much better access to factory downpipe/uppipe bolts to remove OEM turbo.

This kit requires an aftermarket exhaust be installed or existing.
Head studs are highly recommended due to the amount of boost that this charger will create. We have seen 52 lbs in our own testing.

I don't know to much about turbo's but I think the exhaust side ( turbine) is design to expell for 8 cylinders, it takes heat and exhaust pressure to drive the turbine to spin the compressor equaling boost. So if you use a turbine designed to expell 8 cylinders and use it for 4 you would definately have low boost and alot of turbo lag. My .02 I could be wrong though. If you run them in a series they would probaly work but I think it would make higher egt's due to exhaust restriction but lots of boost, personaly just buy the kit that Idahoctd or dts or whoever is coming out with it. All the engineering is already done.

It would be sooooo laggy and probably never spool at all. matt

I wonder if would be possaible to Twin a LLY, I don't totaly understand how the VVT is controled is it electric or self contained?

I wonder if would be possaible to Twin a LLY, I don't totaly understand how the VVT is controled is it electric or self contained?

Already been done, ZR...
Sp33d has one of them already..

I wonder if would be possaible to Twin a LLY, I don't totaly understand how the VVT is controled is it electric or self contained?

There are 2 LLY's running around with compounded turbos.

:ro)

Actually I think there are 3 running around now.

Hey Juice whut do u think about my orignal post

Hey Juice whut do u think about my orignal post

Well, from the EGT's that the Aurora users are reporting at the big end of the 1/4 mile, and without benefit of the Aurora Compressor map infront of me I can only hypothesize.

Running A Dual Aurora 5000 setup would work, BUT you would need to have custom exhaust manifolding made. you would need to pair off the firing cylinders per 180 deg crank rotation into 1 turbo, then the opposite to turbo #2.
I believe this is the only way you would obtain meaningful spool >10 PSIG before 2000 RPMS. But this would be so complicated and costly to get someone like Burns stainless to make a manifold like that. you would also need to modify or fab up the CAC to a dual inlet single outlet configuration AND get it to fit in the current front end. The MAF is another issue.... with 2 turbos, inhaling, and the currents system setup to read one, you might have computer issues.

I have pictures of a CTD BI-Turbo (paralell Twins) running "odd/Paired" into some beautiful handmade SS headers, but the end result from the experiment was that a compounded setup offered better response, lower smoke and EGTs.
This CTD also had to DOWNSIZE the turbos to get meaningful spool on the exducer housing , which made good response, but then the drive pressures would climb, and top end pumping losses were enormous.

If you want MAXIMUM Dyno POWER, you want the biggest single charger that is assisted by nitrous to spool. The Dodge guys figured that one out long ago.

But the racers, and pullers and regular joe's twins seem to provide better everyday charecteristics.

SP33D might have input on this , as would ATS or Steve Cole or John Kennedy.

If the fire wall and the frame wern't in the way, you would want something with a smaller A/R than the A 5000. A pair of Hybrid HX35/40s would probably do pretty well. Your spool time would be much better being they would be right off the headers. I belive a HX35 A/R compressor housing mated to a HX40 compressor wheel with a HX40 exhaust (turbo) side would do pretty well. Exhaust wouldn't be restricted and the spool time would be pretty dang good with a lot of volume when spooled. Just my thoughts on a very streetable Dmax.

If the fire wall and the frame wern't in the way, you would want something with a smaller A/R than the A 5000. A pair of Hybrid HX35/40s would probably do pretty well. Your spool time would be much better being they would be right off the headers. I belive a HX35 A/R compressor housing mated to a HX40 compressor wheel with a HX40 exhaust (turbo) side would do pretty well. Exhaust wouldn't be restricted and the spool time would be pretty dang good with a lot of volume when spooled. Just my thoughts on a very streetable Dmax.

Yep, a 35/40 Hybrid..... DZ40 has been done.. Dodgezilla40!:ro)

The HX 35/40 is pretty common in the Dodge world (use to have one). Now one off of 3 cylinders and another off the other 3 cylinders wouldn't give quit as much quick spool and drive as one off each set of 4 cylinders (given close volumetric flow and heat). It would be close but not quite as much.

ok umm basically whut im trying to achieve is a sh*t load of boost, Nice Clouds of black,better turbo sounds(would like a blow off valve but wastegates cool), basically be real fast once the limiter is rasised. I would like to be in high 5 to low 6s when im completely done or faster... I know its a dream but theres a few cars runnin around charlotte that need to be beat and i wanna run 2 big twins, edge, and quad. with 4" duals with 5" tip maybe 5 all the way back to lower egts

I would like to be in high 5 to low 6s when im completely done or faster... I know its a dream but theres a few cars runnin around charlotte that need to be beat and i wanna run 2 big twins, edge, and quad. with 4" duals with 5" tip maybe 5 all the way back to lower egts

Better take the body off and shorten the frame to get that kind of time.
1/8 mile I assume, quarter mile u will need a lot more.

BTW 5.85 1/8 mile is the super comp time 8.90 1/4 mile.

What internal work are u going to do, build your own rods like SD is.
Better have your own machineshop and able to build a lot of your own parts.

If you have **** loads of boost you wont have black smoke. I would be happy with a street driven big block car running in the 5's in the 1/8.....ummmmm.......more than happy. 5's in the 1/4 is nucking futty if you are going to use the word street near it. And there is no way I can say this nicely and I opologize for sounding like a horses rear but I HATE BLOW OFF VALVES!!!! I get so tired of listneing to the SRT 4's around here constantly sneezing at me and constantly whacking them to show me how cool they are. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rant.gif Funny though, after I played with one of em the rest dont wana play http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif Not even the "stage 2's and 3's". Seems when one of thier buds went down by buss lenghts ley lost thier nerve. Also blow offs arnt extremely practicle in most of our applications although IIRC D&D makes an electronic on to keep from barking your turbo but its pricey

The ATS turbos are definatly not what one would want to use if they had twin turbos on thier truck.

What kinda truck and year truck do ou have? Then we can help you pick out some goodies to make her a runner. Or you could put your truck specs in your sig

Yea i dont got **** done except stock turbo back exhaust and edge

2003 4X4 Crew

Na my friends IS 300 is runnin Twins with 200 shot of nos and runs mid 4's

Hes the fastiest car in charlotte and theres a hatchback civic that runs right there with them

I wanna run with them so i can be one of the top 3 only thing that would make me run with them would be cuttin frame and no bed... Its a crazy idea but i wanna get as close as possible i wanna know whut needs done and slowly get it done

Yea i dont like it when the imports consinatly blow off, i just dont like how when i rev it up it just whins alittle bit. Does the bigger wastegates sound louder? I love when u roll the back tires and the shutter valve goes off.

show me a video and I'll believe you, until then, you are out on a flimsy limb...but like these guys said, in order to get that fast, you will need to give up any and all streetability and spend a lot of time fabricating new parts for your truck. Have fun...

show me a video and I'll believe you, until then, you are out on a flimsy limb...

A video of whut?


Does anyone else have some good ideas for whut i should do

SAY WHUT:confused: :rolleyes:

a video of your friends 4 second car.

I love when u roll the back tires and the shutter valve goes off.

That's not a shutter valve, that is your turbo "barking" and it's not a good thing!!! that woop, woop, woop when you get off the petal is the pressure in the intake trying to spit back out the turbo, do it hard enough and you will most likely snap your shaft in your turbo.

Cheers, Wade

That's not a shutter valve, that is your turbo "barking" and it's not a good thing!!! that woop, woop, woop when you get off the petal is the pressure in the intake trying to spit back out the turbo, do it hard enough and you will most likely snap your shaft in your turbo.

Cheers, Wade

Does everyone agree with this cause i heard its the shutter valve when it barks like that

Does everyone agree with this cause i heard its the shutter valve when it barks like that

It's the shutter valve ( it's really going to shutter when the turbo wheel breaks off or explodes).

Go to a truck pull and you'll hear plenty of them barking.

If u want to go fast w/ a dmax u just need to get your weight down around 2500#, 2000# would really be good.

I just read this post.. Before times are quoted, please be aware most all of us are very aware of drag racing speed and times for a veriety of vehicles.. We are all more than willing to try and help in our mutual goal of making our trucks even better.. We just need to keep it real.. Research and the speed will come...

If u want to go fast w/ a dmax u just need to get your weight down around 2500#, 2000# would really be good.

ANY OF YOUR LOCAL CHOP SHOPS AND ASSIST YOU WITH THIS ):h


AINT IT FUNNY HOW ALL THOSE 13 SECOND STREET CARS RUN 15'S AT THE TRACK :eek:

Does everyone agree with this cause i heard its the shutter valve when it barks like that

There is no 'stutter valve' in these engines.
If there is, it's probably in the glovebox with the 8 platinum tipped sparkplugs as per the window sticker:D


Barking the turbo is bad. At stock fuelling it is not barking hard enough (IMO) to do damage.

With a wastegate 'adjustment' and some hard timing/fuelling, rotor speeds in excess of 110,000 RPMs , a Bark can be catastrophic!

Lets see.... Mach 1 tip speed to reversion in 1/10 of a second bad? Hell Yes!

BOV will work fine and save the turbo. BD Power has one for 690.00 HKS HAD one for a diesel but it is discontinued. A recombination valve.... I am not sure if it will work on a diesel as with a gas engine due to the huge air masses we are moving at twice (or better) the pressure.

Na my friends IS 300 is runnin Twins with 200 shot of nos and runs mid 4's

Mid 4`s in the 1/8? Next you'll say it`s a street car! :rant: mid 4`s in the 1/8 will be a 6.6 to 7.2 sec 1/4.

I'd bet my truck it`s not the fastest car in charlotte. There are funny cars and dragsters in charlotte that is faster then that.

ok yea when i roll the back tires... i mean really roll them... it barks

I didnt think i could put a blow off valve on my truck...

Is there a way to run dual high psi turbos like the ATS 5000. Like a custom exhaust manifold

Mid 4`s in the 1/8? Next you'll say it`s a street car! :rant: mid 4`s in the 1/8 will be a 6.6 to 7.2 sec 1/4.

I'd bet my truck it`s not the fastest car in charlotte. There are funny cars and dragsters in charlotte that is faster then that.

Its almost street legal, its a street car but no emissions. This car has 800 horsepower, at least... When i say the fastiest i mean street wise not strip

His quater is about 8 sec...

ok yea when i roll the back tires... i mean really roll them... it barks

I didnt think i could put a blow off valve on my truck...

Is there a way to run dual high psi turbos like the ATS 5000. Like a custom exhaust manifold

Yes you can add a Blow off valve to the truck. It involves some electonics work but it can be done.

Contact IdahoCTD, or BD-power or DTT or Piers Diesel.

All have done installs on them

His quater is about 8 sec...

YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO COUNT TO 8 FIRST:rolleyes:

Its almost street legal, its a street car but no emissions. This car has 800 horsepower, at least... When i say the fastiest i mean street wise not strip

His quater is about 8 sec...

So if is about 8 seconds, a hot juice truck could probably take him.


I need to learn this NEW math, since 1/8 mile is half of 1/4 mile, take your 1/4 mile time and divide by 2 ):h

I'll have to watch out for these mid 5 to low 6 sec.1/8 mile trucks running around.

I won't go into the 800 hp, just to say that the fast street cars have 800 cu.in motors and a load of NOS to get to mid 6's 1/4 mile, 4's 1/8 mile.(around 1500hp+).

http://www.fasteststreetcar.com/2005/rules/prostreet.html

Back to your ??? on the turbo, u don't have enough fuel or air to get the BIG turbo working w/ only 4 cylinders.
You'd be better off using 2 stock turbos, one on each side.
Since the price on them is low, u won't be out of a lot of money playing w/ them.

His quater is about 8 sec...
It should be way faster then 8, if it sees 4.5 in the 1/8, you do know that the second half is much quicker then the 1st half, don't you?

Even these huge and heavy trucks that`s running 11`s, are taking almost 8 seconds through the 1/8, then just 3.5-4 seconds for the second 1/8. :eek:

I guess he is braking hard so he doesn't show off too much! :confused:

My slow 14 second truck runs the second 1/8 in 5 seconds.
There are more holes in your story then my air box :lol:

i dont know but i saw the slips its was mid 4s and low 8s

would it be better to do 2 stock or one big ATS

i dont know but i saw the slips its was mid 4s and low 8s

would it be better to do 2 stock or one big ATS

One Big ATS.

And Gated.

i dont know but i saw the slips its was mid 4s and low 8s

would it be better to do 2 stock or one big ATS

Cheapest way is 2 stock if u can truly do the fab work, the 5000 is a lot of $$$$.
Besides what fun is it not to do the R&D yourself.

Wonder if the mid 4's was 330'?

Wonder if the mid 4's was 330'?
That`s what me thinks, along with low 8`s in the 1/8 :)

I used to be a pretty big Supra enthuaist, and still keep on it moderately so I know what is going on, I would be interested in knowing what kind of tranny he has as well as rearend, I have seen single turbo IS300's go into the 11's with 25psi of boost, but I am just curious, it does sound a little flismy.
I personally am just trying to get my truck into the mid 12's, maybee high 11's and I am considering all of the options, Twins, the Auroa 5000, and others

I think, correct me if I am wrong guys. That if I go with the 5000, a new built tranny, the co pilot, head studs, and stack my predator with another box, I should be close to my goal of mid 12's, and to go 11's would need to add NOS

Thanks for your time, and info!:ro)

hav8, you can't put the 5000 on your LLY. Your only option would be the twins from DTT right now. There is nothing to take the place of the VVT turbo yet.

young troll

Fair enough, and if you feel I am a troll then so be it, but thanks for your input! I will have to keep my eyes open for new aftermarket parts then.

There might be a way to run the Aurora with an LLY. You will need to fool the vane sensor, and use a Finger stick to fake the EGR out.

My guess is that it is doable.

I do agree that it could be possible, but with the current technology available to the public it is not possible at the moment.

Either way thank you for your help and setting me straight, I know I am new at this all I can do is learn, from the wiser, and that is what I hope to do:ro)