How long does it take to get an ATS trans? I see a (-:t ) member here has been waiting quite a while for his "built" ATS. I surely hope Clint isn't having any supply problems. Clint has always been very nice to me, I hope he/ATS is doing ok. Heck, maybe it's just the wine coming from the customer that I'm hearing?


............Donno?

Apparently ATS has no cores right now... Busy? Didn't have enough in stock? I don't know. I've been hit with the same situation though as the "other member" and I'm in a hurry.

How much is ATS's core charge anyways?

Can't build em fast enough to meet demand?

That's a tough problem to have.:D

............Donno?


:exactly:

Hey Mackin..... your sig looks like it's waiting for a trans. You have a core, why don't you just call ATS for the parts and build it yourself. I mean, your a tranmission exesperta, right?



















....If you do build it yourself, don't call a real builder just to ask, argue and still do it your way-:t , just build it.

Ok

Well Richard,

I have changed my mind once again.I was going to get that kit to expedite my build up as you suggested but decided,naaa.Not that I couldn't do it as I have done it before learned alot in these past three years.I've learned what to do and not do and most certainly couldn't do worse than the last guy that was in there I think,this time.But that's my opinion.

In the long run sure it took longer than I expected but ATS was always there to apologize for their inconsistencies in shipping expectations right up to my conversation with Clint today after he diligently tried so hard to get a hold of me yesterday.I thought that was a great jester to have the owner track me down,real class.

I believe they are busy and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.I never pressured ATS,always said OK.I understand as I'm a business man and I miss quote delivery do to unforeseen problems myself many times.Just do the best you can.

But when you want the best,you'll wait.

I really don't care and told Clint no problem.Honestly I don't need my truck it's a toy first and utmost.Think about it.Sure I miss it big time.It's the best vehicle hands down that I have ever owned and I'm climbing up there.I miss the speed the smoke the ride,but it'll be there tomorrow Friday next week and way beyond.Thinking about that next ride will be like I just purchased a brand new wicked fast Duramax ,and a wicked fast shiffting truck.That right there is pant tent making material!

All in all I am so very pleased I waited patiently dealing with ATS and Clint in person because I truly believe I will Have the Best Transmission on the market today bolted to me Duramax.

The proof is right here in the Pages on the DieselPlace.Tomac ,Trippen,DMAX Doug and his Co-pilot.I could go on.

Thanks for being concerned but your job is done.

I Will early next week also be able to show you the picture of a Full Stage V ATS in living color.Bet your waiting gitty like a high schooler on his first date and a pocket full of condoms.

See-ya round ,Bud! :)

:grd: Based on the above response. I would say that's game, set, and match to the Tyrant.):h

Core charge amount? Anybody? Just wondering

1500.00 :eek: I think maybe the big rebuilders will raise this in the near future. These puppys are impossible to find anymore. Some people opt to pay the core just to keep their trans and this does not help the rebuilder. I would slap a 2500.00 core charge just to make sure I got the core back. I don't want the money, I want the core back.
mike

Thanks, trying to figure out estimated cost.

Well Mac.....I'm glad you learned your lesson. You have taught us to be patient and let the builder build your transmission if you want the best they have. .......Strange how ignorance turns to stupidity and then becomes wisdom. I think that's what folks call "live and learn".

Thanks again for the education Mac. We now know not to jump up and down and cry now, now, now to our tranny builders. We know that mistakes can be made if you do not follow directions. We know that the great things today my not be tomorrow. And, we know not to make demands or gestures of threats towards people or their products.


Thanks for the lesson. :thumb: We have learned from your mistakes.


I do hope you will be happy with your ATS Allison transmission. I'm sure Clint will do his best with yours.

Let us know when you get it and how it works.:exactly:


.........However, getting back to my topic..... I'm glad to see Clint so busy. It's great that we have soo many Killer Duramaxes around. Maybe the Dodge and Ford guys will take a second look when they see a Duramax slipping by.:ro)

I think I'm gonna cry.):h :hug:

Man, I'm sure glad that I'm not a controversial type of person .):h

Mac, Have You Put A Time Limit On Him Yet???? We Know Youre Good At That :)

I find this entire thread thoroughly amusing...........:rolleyes:

I would suppose everyone here poking fun is perfect...........:eek: .............that you all have just gone out and bowled that 300 game.........pitched the perfect no-hitter..........hit the tee and had a golfing record with all hole in ones............):h

I am surprised that members here will continue to poke.............I won't mention names, but you know who you are..........and yeah, I'm no ANGEL either........:cool:

But really Burner, I have never seen someone so interested in what "somebody" else has decided to purchase for a transmission.........it is almost like you want to see his new transmission go in and fail for some reason..........then whom will you all blame.........:confused:

You may be laughing about it now, but would you think it was so funny if it were you..........if you had spent money with a company and entrusted them to go through your transmission. If you asked them to inspect and rebuild it to exact spec's in order to hold 500++ HP and over 1000++ TQ.

Something is not right..........I have a STAGE III kit that I rebuilt with Mac's help in my 'LIL 'OLE Garage on a Sunday.........I have not nearly the transmission a STAGE V is supposed to be...........and was not assembled by any expert............well if you would consider me an expert in transmissions.......:o: ............with the help of MIKE L., on the telephone 3000 miles away........and low and behold it's just fine.

18,000+ miles running an Xtreme, in fact a newer version.............beating it unmercifully on the street and at the track, just ask Diesel Dragon, JIM659, Green Goblin or anyone else who was at Lebanon Valley at Jannetty's Track Rental last Thursday...........24 runs, some less that 3 minutes apart.......high boost launches, etc.............not so much as a tranny temp over 200 or a hiccup.

So you tell me then what is the problem ????????? I can tell you that when we get the tranny in my garage next week and autopsy it I'll be the first person to "discover" what failed..............:exactly:

So take it for what it's worth............but something was missed last time it was rebuilt in FLORIDA if you ask me...........because it should not have failed.

T;) NY

************disclaimer*********** This is my opinion only...........I am allowed to voice it as this is America...........and if you don't like what I have to say............don't read it............and if you are still angry after reading it..............

SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK.................):h
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This is my post......The topic was about delivery time on the ATS, not Mac and "his" deal. Please read agin.................

How long does it take to get an ATS trans? I see a (-:t ) member here has been waiting quite a while for his "built" ATS. I surely hope Clint isn't having any supply problems. Clint has always been very nice to me, I hope he/ATS is doing ok. Heck, maybe it's just the wine coming from the customer that I'm hearing?


............Donno?


Most folks will know that I really like SunCoast products. However, I noticed that -:t did not have "Got it" in his sig. I did not want to ask -:t about his transmission delay....so, I asked a general question to the ATS crowd "without" mention of his name. Mac choose to address this as his problem. Again, I asked "Is there a delay at ATS"....nothing of Mac. --------(I'm using the *kack--:t * as a reflective outlook from another towards myself. If it is good, if it is bad it is his gesture I present back to him without mentioning his name.)




.......... Hey, let's get this Mac "problem" over. I don't care what trans he had who it came from or who built the thing. My primus about that was the manner in which he conducted himself. He had a problem and choose the wrong path in which to deal with it. I felt there was a moral obligation to call him on his error. Mac did not fully understand what he had done and what he was doing. No one else would stand up and say anything, I did. When you are a "mod" on the largest Duramax site in the US.... you don't make idle threats, you don't air dirty laundry, you don't smash vendor's products in an open forum because you're mad. I have a quite a few folks that agree with me on that. ......Now, Mac is all in a knot because a "Member" actually stood up and spoke his mind. Mac turns the topic around as "his" problem. You know....it is his problem until "he" takes it to the public, directly or indirectly. After that, it's a war with-in and all that does is hurt us. The very fabric of our group is unity and the abilty to not rattle the sword. ........If I were Mac and had his problems I would have been upset. However, If I were Joe and someone came at me like that......holly smokes, I would would have laid the hammer down just the same. It wasn't a "build" issue, it was an aphorism for this site as well as our Diesel intrests. When you fellas relize that.... you'll understand.

------------------Back to topic.


Any one of you guys notice "when" my topic appeared? Anyone follow the Kentucky stuff? ......We will not have good competition unless there is more mix in the field. You tell me where ATS ranked?

Mac, Have You Put A Time Limit On Him Yet???? We Know Youre Good At That :)

Hell NO !! But My Tranny will arrive on Monday,Monday Monday!!! So says the trucker!

You see they were very pleasant and didn't point the finger in another direction.Like I said when you want the best,you'll wait.

Order your C0-pilot yet to beef up your Suncoast?

Waz the matter not good enough out of the box? :p:

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Thanks and to the point.You know and I know what the real deal is and was. :)

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When you are a "mod" on the largest Duramax site in the US.... you don't make idle threats, you don't air dirty laundry, you don't smash vendor's products in an open forum because you're mad.

Richard where?

I didn't go public, Suncoast did and not so candidly I will add .I am being forced out like a scorned customer.

P R I V A T E message,kabish?P R I V A T E conversation,Kabish?Why you chose to be a hero and others still here in the shadows for Suncoast ,who knows.Maybe you'll get some free stuff for it,perhaps a brace at a reduced cost or a cooler for your effort or a upgrade.Broker even tossed his membership here for this.Perhaps Suncoast can hook him up too,see what you can do.


If Suncoast, in the initial conversation,would have not repeatedly over and over said and I quote:

Allen it's your fault that the transmission went down the first time!

Who cares?? Things would have been different on the next call.That was what,better than three years ago? If you ask me.right there is a attempt pushing any blame and all fault away from Suncoast.You know that a few of these Suncoast V that I had went down,who are you fooling?See my point?I doubt it as you wont be truly honest like I would.That's what I got out of it and it pissed me off BIG time!I will take responsibility for my actions,others should too!



I sent the transmission to Florida for one reason,confidence it would be built to spec and gone through to confirm every thing was fine and dandy.I specifically asked for that service.At the same time I upgraded to a Stage V installed by professionals.

If Suncoast decided NOT to charge me labor that is their prerogative,I would have paid.That does NOT take the responsibility away from them.I didn't ask for a free go over at all.As a matter of fact I paid for the Unlimited upgrade that I thought I already had.Certainly in that Upgrade price there was labor cost involved and included.

I'm sorry things turned out the way they did.I beleive they could have handeled this last transaction better.Suncoast builds a product that will make many happy and get the job done.

Ease the seat back and enjoy the ride! :)

I would suppose everyone here poking fun is perfect...........:eek:
I am surprised that members here will continue to poke
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Poking fun has nothing to do with being perfect...it is exactly what you said...poking fun. NO SOUP FOR YOU...is that not poking fun... :flipa:
I have never seen someone so interested in what "somebody" else has decided to purchase for a transmission.............I remember when it was programs instead of transmissions:eek:
if you would consider me an expert in transmissions.......:o: ............with the help of MIKE L., on the telephone 3000 miles away
. saved a lot by having him on the phone as oppsed to paying to have him build it
18,000+ miles running an Xtreme, in fact a newer version............. . I thought you drove aroud stock in the winter?
I'll be the first person to "discover" what failed..............:exactly:
but something was missed last time it was rebuilt in FLORIDA if you ask me.... So, it was built almost 2 years ago...beating on it daily...with close to 500hp and something was overlooked.:badidea: ..I would have thought if something was overlooked it would have failed a little sooner. :exactly: Beings you will be the "first person to discover what failed" we will see just that....what failed...not a who failed.

Ya'll have fun now....ya hear:p:

I will add


Suncoast had NO problem warranting when I cooked C1 with the machined steels the first time prior to the level V install.Why not now a year later?Never a whisper of doubt it wasn't built right by US!

I paid the freight and R&D.That sucked too but I boned up.This time it was their turn after the initial conversation of trying to "switching the blame".

Please riddle me that,Richard in your font. :)

Poking fun has nothing to do with being perfect...it is exactly what you said...poking fun. NO SOUP FOR YOU...is that not poking fun... :flipa:
I remember when it was programs instead of transmissions:eek: saved a lot by having him on the phone as oppsed to paying to have him build it
I thought you drove aroud stock in the winter?
So, it was built almost 2 years ago...beating on it daily...with close to 500hp and something was overlooked.:badidea: ..I would have thought if something was overlooked it would have failed a little sooner. :exactly: Beings you will be the "first person to discover what failed" we will see just that....what failed...not a who failed.

Ya'll have fun now....ya hear:p:

Yup, George...........you are 100% correct........:stirthepo :stirthepo :stirthepo.

Thanks for explaining things so clearly for the members here.............:thumb: ...

I appreciate that you have such a good memory.........ya never forget a thing.........:exactly:

I think I got your phone number somewhere, as soon as I get it apart I'll call ya up and if I could even send ya the very first PICS of what failed.......this way you can be the second,oooops actually the third person to know what happened.........Mac is actually first and I'll be the second......so is being third to find out OK.........:p: :p: :p: .


*********BURNER********* Sorry for Hi-jacking your thread, I just seen you were running around everywhere with concern about Mac, his tranny, ATS and how they operate as a company, how Suncoast operates as a company............you get a tranny yet ??????? Just wondering aloud.......:cool:

I will add


Suncoast had NO problem warranting when I cooked C1 with the machined steels the first time prior to the level V install.Why not now a year later?Never a whisper of doubt it wasn't built right by US!

I paid the freight and R&D.That sucked too but I boned up.This time it was their turn after the initial conversation of trying to "switching the blame".

Please riddle me that,Richard in your font. :)



Mac,

As I understand it all you had to do was take it out and send it to Suncoast.


I bought a Suncoast V. This transmission comes with a better warranty and a higher price tag to boot. When I had a problem I called Joe and informed him and it was taken care of promptly.

Mac, you somewhat understand but not fully. ........If you pull a gun and point a gun, people react. You and Joe had your "behind" the lines battle. For some reason your panties got in a wad. You, yes YOU started this crap. It is YOUR smoking gun. Remember it was YOUR PM and YOUR words that sparked this open in the forum. Had you pulled that stunt with Steve Cole......he would have done the same thing. Had you pulled that stunt with Clint ........he would have done the same. Had you pulled that stunt with Kennedy.... he would have done the same. You get it?........ If you pull a gun (decide that it's everyone's business, as they have a vote) you must accept the reaction.


....Like this stuff here. Did I want this thread going here, NO. Did I mention your name, no. Am I concerned about YOUR transmission, no. Did I make lite of ATS having a problem, yes. Is it a bad problem, no. Is it a good problem, uh yeah.


Mac, instead of always trying to defend or prove your anger and say you were justified.......just drop it and leave it alone. If you had not brought your feelings into this.....we would not be here. Although, this may be good for you?

I offered my number as a gesture of friendship and got nothing.....:(

I tried to subdue the tide....and wasn't even given a chance.....:(

As per the Suncoast Warranty on the complete units.

First Year: Suncoast will pay R&R, freight both ways and fix it. The only thing the end customer is responsible for is fluid

Second Year: Suncoast will Repair/Replace the trans, cust is responsible for the R&R, freight etc.

It failed after a year from which is was last repaired/rebuilt whatever. Maybe somebody overexpected what the warranty implies? Dunno, dont care. Its in black and white with every compete trans I have got from them.

As for the slow ATS time, I too have heard that cores are in short supply with them. I'll keep hording the ones I am able to find and one day retire on them....LOL

Core charge amount? Anybody? Just wondering

When I had my transmission shipped from ATS it was the honour system with them on the core. If I hadn't shipped back my core to ATS within 14 days a core charge would have been applied to my account. As far as the amount I think it would have been around $3600.00. Hope that helps!:)

Richard

Again I posted nothing.I'm not complaining.But you are.
I went in another direction.

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That is correct John.But like I said I asked for a refresh a little more than a year ago.Not taking away from anyone else and their opinion or disregard for anyone including Suncoast but when someone says that It was MY fault right from the beginning, It just stands the hair up on my neck.So I had reservations on what would have happened on this tour through the southern states again.

That and no additional warranty period made me ditch anyway,especially do to the circumstances on how I got here.Time for a change I thought.Sure more money but what the hell,you only go around once. :)


Sorry but that's the way I feel


Edit:Warranty period

I was in my second year of having the stage V which would have ended in Nov of this year.I only had about 20K on the tranny and since I don't drive it but when I want to time would have expired as you can see.

Not that I'm doing the switch for a warranty.That didn't cross my mind just the ending one.Couple that with wanting to add a Co-Pilot ment opening up the refresh and installing.Can you imagine :D

So......... what's the time frame again? When will you have it installed and ready to go? Will you try the track? :ro)


An ol'e fella I know said....."We all build good transmissions" I believe he was correct.

Competition makes the breed strong. ;)

Tony, If The Problem Were Right In Front Of You Would You Know It????;)

Tony, If The Problem Were Right In Front Of You Would You Know It????;)

Sounds like a question from someone that does not have a clue asking someone else if they do.:D

Sounds like a question from someone that does not have a clue asking someone else if they do.:D


DID COAL AUTHORIZE THAT COMMENT ):h

DID COAL AUTHORIZE THAT COMMENT ):h

No he didn't.:D

Edit:Warranty period

I was in my second year of having the stage V which would have ended in Nov of this year.I only had about 20K on the tranny and since I don't drive it but when I want to time would have expired as you can see.

Not that I'm doing the switch for a warranty.That didn't cross my mind just the ending one.Couple that with wanting to add a Co-Pilot ment opening up the refresh and installing.Can you imagine :D





Now what I don't understand is how you figure you bought a level V and get the warranty of a V when you bought a III+. I think if you look at what parts you really paid for, it would fall far short of the real cost of a level V transmission assembly.


I seem to recall Smoop saying something about a level III+ kit being purchased, numerous freebie fixes after the first incorrect assembly, and then another "favor" (yes it cost you some $$$) upgrade to the better clutches and some internals like the V has...

Tony, If The Problem Were Right In Front Of You Would You Know It????;)
Yeah Peanut.............I would know what the problem is...........I am not as dumb as you look.............:D :D :D

Kidding aside..........my experience with playing with cars and trucks goes back 20+ years.........that Allison was not the first tranny I ever had apart, nor did I find it difficult. I don't claim to know everything like some people on this board do............and you my friend are entitled to your opinion just like I am..........

So you have a very nice day...........:cool: ...........go break your SC-IV and start your own post will ya....:p:
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Now what I don't understand is how you figure you bought a level V and get the warranty of a V when you bought a III+. I think if you look at what parts you really paid for, it would fall far short of the real cost of a level V transmission assembly.


I seem to recall Smoop saying something about a level III+ kit being purchased, numerous freebie fixes after the first incorrect assembly, and then another "favor" (yes it cost you some $$$) upgrade to the better clutches and some internals like the V has...

John I received ALL they had for holding capacity as a "kit".It was declared as having unlimited HP capabilities.

The ONLY "free" "parts" fix was when I roasted the C1 in Kent in front of about 30 people with less than a hundred miles on the truck.Numerous freebie fixes is laughable,there was one.The one that he knew would happen just like he knows what happened this time.I was told by Joe don't do any high boost launches or burn outs until we have the fix! No joke the truth

A "fix"? Shouldn't of that been free?Well it wasn't


When the converter fried do to the Booster valve hanging up in the pump housing bore.Again this happened to him also,ask him he called me to tell me.I don't declare this as a free fix as it cost me coin,lots of it in tows plus R&D and freight .That is when I sent the entire Transmission to Florida to get ALL that was available for additional Unlimited holding capacity or should I say a fix for C1 and paid for it,the "fix".What else was there that I didn't have? Stage III stage IV stage V call it what you want it was a fully assembled Unlimited HP transmission that was suppose to be in my truck right now that I cooked with daily driving.

Now it's questionable as to what level,price? Come on Lets face it I sent Joe my core,the same core that had the "kit" in it.What more could have I done?Take the kit out return to stock ship kit have him reinstall?I asked him to confirm it was correct so there wouldn't be a question later on! What did Dave Gamble think he had?

No longer a kit in my eyes,no longer my assembly build.Wasn't it you who said "last one in"?"That's why you recommend complete drop ins? Well it was!I didn't see anyone complaining in when I carried it in my sig for nearly two years,Suncoast stage V.Yes it did get it to the ground,but not for long.


"Allen,it was YOUR fault that the transmission broke the first time!"

What a joke,really no offense, John


Funny thing is he's also leaving out the trim valve springs that showed up before the drop in that we (the incompetent) had to change.For free mind you.Guess I should have back charged for our incompetent time.What do you think we work for free?One hand washed the other.It's all good untill something goes wrong then it's damage control,finger pointing.The smart ones know the differance.I do,do you?

It's all a bunch of BS,he knows it,I know it,others think they do and don't.I paid what I paid,I didn't dictate price nor negotiate.Joe charged what he did,why should it matter?A out to save face?I know the first computer was....so that guy is pissed too,right?Gimmie a break.I have invested lots of time and money on Suncoast that would shock the people reading here about this subject!Fall short, Pffffff Not by a long shot!


I been nothing but truthful about this. Sure I got cocky with Joe,in private,so be it, the truth remains the same.For my actions I have to spend more on a Transmission and be bothered by Burner and the shadows,mere puppets that can see through the fact that I cannot possibly be correct that Webb the builder cannot ever be wrong.To bad,for them.

I don't look for pity nor any support,I'll walk this alone.

I know "Allen,it was YOUR fault that the transmission broke the first time and got you into this mess!" :rolleyes:


For his actions he lost a customer,maybe more!Which is worse?



On edit: If he balks one bit about the converter and the bolts which was NEVER proven I will gladly send him FOR FREE the converter that is in the truck ( which is fine except for a mess) along with my stock converter core charge that I never received as retribution.I have it sold but I will renege on the sale.

TONY, YOU CAN BET YOUR TRANS-GO, THAT IF I EVER FRY MY SC IV I WONT EVER POST ABOUT IT AFTER ALL THIS BS TALK :) ):h









Yeah Peanut.............I would know what the problem is...........I am not as dumb as you look.............:D :D :D

Kidding aside..........my experience with playing with cars and trucks goes back 20+ years.........that Allison was not the first tranny I ever had apart, nor did I find it difficult. I don't claim to know everything like some people on this board do............and you my friend are entitled to your opinion just like I am..........

So you have a very nice day...........:cool: ...........go break your SC-IV and start your own post will ya....:p:
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An African Lion much like this is responsible for the death of 28 Cambodian Midgets
Spectators cheered as entire Cambodian Midget Fighting League squared off against African Lion
Tickets had been sold-out three weeks before the much anticipated fight, which took place in the city of Kâmpóng Chhnãng.

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Sihamoni was quoted before the fight stating that he felt since his fighters out-numbered the lion 42 to 1, that they “… could out-wit and out-muscle [it].”

Unfortunately, he was wrong.



WHICH ARE YOU MAC, THE MIDGETS OR THE LION ???? :)

Lion of course

TONY, YOU CAN BET YOUR TRANS-GO, THAT IF I EVER FRY MY SC IV I WONT EVER POST ABOUT IT AFTER ALL THIS BS TALK :) ):h

If that ever happens you will become the biggest whore; whait, you allready are.:ro)

SO, USING SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE EXTREME IS WHORING HUH????? DAMN IVE BEEN ONE LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, IF THATS THE CASE. YOU KNOW MIKE, THERES A 12 STEP PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU WITH AN EGO PROBLEM :ro) :ro) :ro)


PS, NICE FOOT WORK RIDING THE FENCE BETWEEN COLE AND SMOOP ;)

SO, USING SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE EXTREME IS WHORING HUH????? DAMN IVE BEEN ONE LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, IF THATS THE CASE. YOU KNOW MIKE, THERES A 12 STEP PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU WITH AN EGO PROBLEM :ro) :ro) :ro)


PS, NICE FOOT WORK RIDING THE FENCE BETWEEN COLE AND SMOOP ;)

Intelligence and honesty play a big part Jon. Not being a mooch, whiner and a whore help too. I walk a fine line in my business and have managed to not piss anybody off. And you? ):h How many more bridges you got left? Burn Baby Burn.:cool:

:funnypost:exactly:!

I walk a fine line in my business and have managed to not piss anybody off.


LMAO WHATS YOUR NEXT JOKE:rolleyes:

:funnypost Censored Censored -:t

Still trying to figure out the reason to go on ,it's pretty clear where each of you stand about each other.Lets give it a break shall we




Thanks for understanding

Mac, I hope that Clint can fill the orders very soon. :ro) Let us know when that hippy girl get's back on her feet.