Looking for advice on which power adder to choose for my 6.5, and why you'd choose it.
if you could.....post prices, links to product (vendor only)

also not sure on how to set up a poll here..mods a little help? (Edit: got it)
1. Propane
2. Nitrous
3. Meth Injection
4. None of the above, work with what ya got.

Done research on all three. They all have their benefits but for my setup what would you choose?

I have a quick question, do you feel like you have excessive turbo lag on your Camaro? or is it fine?

Will, given my unique setup, and the use of the Hx-35w, 16 feet of cold charge pipe, ATA IC, and all the other variables i can not accurately asnwer that question. But if i had to answer, i'd say yes.

The quick spool valve will hopefully solve this issue. But I do know nitrous can be used to spool the turbo at the line.

Also brake stalling does yield about 3-4 PSI, not as much as i would like, but it's better than nothing. After that point it just pushes through the brakes or smokes the tires.

I never liked using drugs, if I couldn't build an engine with enough power, I'd just switch to a more powerful engine, or tear it down and start again.

I also hate visiting the pumps to fill up, so having to fill another tank IMO is just another PITA I can do without.

I've always been a build it better kinda guy though rather then a "lets see how much power we can get" kinda guy.

Whatever you do Cody, I'm sure it'll be well worth the time it takes to read about it :p:

Besides, a well built engine's power is avaliable all the time, if you run out of injectables, you're running on reduced power.

I would probably go with water injection. It's cheaper to refill that meth or nitrous. It does help you make power and keeps EGTS down too. What's not to like. You could put together a rudimentary system with a windshield washer pump, a jug, and a boost activated switch very easily. Or you could use it for methanol injection too. :-) Keeps it from freezing in the winter. Vodka also works.

Jake

I don't have experience with any but I like Jakes suggestion. It will help keep the pistons from being damaged when you go for the big power.

If you are going for big power from the 6.5L you probably want to look at beefing things up with a forged crank and heavy duty stud girdle kit (that covers the end caps as well.

Also have you gone to 18:1 pistons yet? The extra room in the cylinder will let you cram some more air and fuel in there.

Then of course there is the issue of the IP being able to supply enough fuel. I think there was a guy here that was putting 300 HP down to the wheels with a DS4 and meth or nitrous, I think that's about tops for fuel, if you want to go above that you'll probably need to look at a custom IP.

Lastly what block do you have? Hopefully not one with the oil squirters because they are more prone to cracking.

Gotta pay attention to cooling as well, I believe the back cylinders are more prone to overheating, get the HO water pump etc.

I voted for Methanol injection, which is run in a combination of water/methanol with a max ratio of 50% methanol right? Anyways, I suggested it because;

a) It's the only one that I know a fair bit about in how it relates to gassers and diesels
b) Cost of the injectables is low, tank of propane $20, 15 lbs. N2O $80. Methanol can be purchased in large quantities for less.
c) Companies I know of are Alchohol Injection Systems, DevilsOwn, Snow Performance and Painless Performance also has a kit, good price ($650) in comparison from what I remember some of the other kits costing, and that's a diesel specific kit.

I'm not sure how you would hook it up on your Camaro because... I was pretty sure you were supposed to inject it pre-turbo, and with it traveling 20 feet before entering the engine, it is sure to fall out of suspension and form puddles or droplets. Injecting it as close to the engine as possible is an option, but the water/meth pump would be pushing against the boost in the intake. Although, say... 20 psi in the manifold vs. 150 psi from the water/meth, I think the mixture would inject anyways.

Looking through the vendors list, no one popped out at me as having a water/meth kit.

I voted for Methanol injection, which is run in a combination of water/methanol with a max ratio of 50% methanol right? Anyways, I suggested it because;

a) It's the only one that I know a fair bit about in how it relates to gassers and diesels
b) Cost of the injectables is low, tank of propane $20, 15 lbs. N2O $80. Methanol can be purchased in large quantities for less.
c) Companies I know of are Alchohol Injection Systems, DevilsOwn, Snow Performance and Painless Performance also has a kit, good price ($650) in comparison from what I remember some of the other kits costing, and that's a diesel specific kit.

I'm not sure how you would hook it up on your Camaro because... I was pretty sure you were supposed to inject it pre-turbo, and with it traveling 20 feet before entering the engine, it is sure to fall out of suspension and form puddles or droplets. Injecting it as close to the engine as possible is an option, but the water/meth pump would be pushing against the boost in the intake. Although, say... 20 psi in the manifold vs. 150 psi from the water/meth, I think the mixture would inject anyways.

Looking through the vendors list, no one popped out at me as having a water/meth kit.

WMI is generally injected post turbo. LaBonte is a vendor here and offers WMI. I think Snow may have been at one time too, but not sure.

I don't have experience with any but I like Jakes suggestion. It will help keep the pistons from being damaged when you go for the big power.

If you are going for big power from the 6.5L you probably want to look at beefing things up with a forged crank and heavy duty stud girdle kit (that covers the end caps as well.

Also have you gone to 18:1 pistons yet? The extra room in the cylinder will let you cram some more air and fuel in there.

Then of course there is the issue of the IP being able to supply enough fuel. I think there was a guy here that was putting 300 HP down to the wheels with a DS4 and meth or nitrous, I think that's about tops for fuel, if you want to go above that you'll probably need to look at a custom IP.

Lastly what block do you have? Hopefully not one with the oil squirters because they are more prone to cracking.

Gotta pay attention to cooling as well, I believe the back cylinders are more prone to overheating, get the HO water pump etc.

Thank you. I should have clarified. When I do go with a power adder it wont be till next year, along with a fresh built engine at 18:1. Just gathering some info for that time...

No bottom end work as it sits. still at the 21.3 or 20.3 comp????
506 squirter block.

I think i have the IP to support another 30-50 hp in fuel. but if this pump gets turned up anymore the smoke will be so thick at low rpms I couldn't live with it. It's pretty clean right now though. That is the advantage of elec-IPs, tuning out low rpm smoke, bring fuel on heavy under load. more tuneablility. These mech pumps are smoky!

Have the H.O. water pump and Lub Specialist Oil Cooler. But I would like more cooling for the oil, thinking of a small pusher fan on it.

decided against Nitrous and Propane, so just need to find a good WMI/methanol system. seems like the most cost effective way to add power. Thanks everyone for your input.

WMI is generally injected post turbo. LaBonte is a vendor here and offers WMI. I think Snow may have been at one time too, but not sure.

RC, i think you might be right. But Will, injecting preturbo (on a front or rear turbo) might be effective in distributing the methanol into the charge evenly. It should get there no matter what....but would/could the mist collect on the inside of the charge pipe? condensation....or no?

For my setup, I couldn't justify injecting way in the rear of the car. So I will prob have 1-2 jets mounted right into the intake manifold. Tank will be in the rear???

So, the WMi systems are controlled by MAP? rPM? PSI? or what?

Is there an advatage to injecting excess meth? or does it have a certain "ratio" to air that it's most benficial?

Labonte or Snow Prices.....anyone?

:DWasher solvent injection at $1.19 on sale its free power and all the big trucks do it, the only problem is geting it dialed in to your application.P.S. I love mine Bob Z. .....oops I didn't look at the date

all the big trucks do it

No they don't. I've been in the industry 15 years and have never seen it on anything I've ever driven or seen.

meth in truck stops up and down interstate 95 but what ever you say DUDE

No they don't. I've been in the industry 15 years and have never seen it on anything I've ever driven or seen.

meth in truck stops up and down interstate 95 but what ever you say DUDE

He's right, they don't. Methanol has many other uses than just WMI.

Well, since this thread is active again, I'll share my thoughts.

I decided on WMI injection kit, Snow Performance stage 2 universal kit. small fluid reservoir for the Camaro.

-controller set to start spraying at 10psi and full flow at 14 psi.
-one large 625 size nozzle in use.

I am very satisfied with my purchase and the power! The cost to spray Methanol is sooo cheap too!

Like my setup, I think WMI is most beneficial to 6.5s without intercoolers. If you alredy have one, and adding WMI, install the spray nozzle right near the engine, after the intercooler does it's job.

in fact, any IDI turbo Diesel would love WMI.

What was the cost of the kit? I remember reading a few threads around here about DIY kits but I don't think anything concrete came of it.

I'd be willing to go 100% DIY with manual controls so long as I was able to source a an appropriate nozzle and pump..

I routinely see 12 PSI or so maintained when pulling grades (see my avatar pic) but can peak at 14PSI for brief periods. I would think WMI would benefit me a whole lot.

meth in truck stops up and down interstate 95 but what ever you say DUDE


Sure there is. Methanol in washer fluid is used for....washer fluid.

Bottles of pure methanol you see for sale is used during the winter months to thaw out frozen brake lines and valves - you pour some in the service line at the glad-hand (or supply line depending on where its frozen up), reconnect the glad-hand and then spike the trailer brakes a few times to circulate it and thaw things out.

I assure you we don't all rush out and dump it into WMI systems - they're virtually unheard of in class 8!

glade your happy being a meth injection user

I might want to look into WMI for my truck I am having a nasty defuel problem on my truck. I think itd be fine if i kept my foot out of the throttle but my foot is heavy. Drive at 80 or 85 for just a few minutes and daddy detroit is NOT happy. I need an intercooler probably, that would be the best thing I think.

Glad to see you didnt choose nitrous. I dont know if a 6.5 could take that or not.

WOW no more coments or Questions from me. this place nails you to the cross!! and washer fluid is........ never mind!

WOW no more coments or Questions from me. this place nails you to the cross!! and washer fluid is........ never mind!

You're welcome to comment, but you do have to have your facts straight around here, or yeah, you'll get nailed to the cross real quick. ;)