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: Predator and Quad Tuner will not load tunes


duramaxedout
05-16-2005, 02:55 PM
Tried to put the Quad on my truck this weekend and it would not access the ECM to program? This is the second tuner that has failed to load on my truck:wtf:??
The first was the Predator...I chalked that one up to the Pred version since it is my understanding the older version doesn't allow use on mulitple trucks, can someone tell me in what version of the Pred that was changed? Maybe it wasn't the tuner???
Of course we went through the obvious w/ the Quad, reloaded it on my buddies truck and then restored back to stock. Put it back on mine and got the same result.
I seriously doubt the truck has a program on it already but could be possible since I bought it used. What process can be used to determine if this is the case?

McRat
05-16-2005, 03:09 PM
Will the Predator read the Diagnostic Info?

What kind of error does the Quad get?

How's your cigarette lighter fuse?

Is the ignition switch in the FULL ON position?

duramaxedout
05-16-2005, 03:23 PM
Yes, the Predator could read diag info.
The Quad error was i think ....6067.
Cig lighter fuse is good.
Ign switch full on position.
It did make my cluster go nuts so it is getting part way into the process.

McRat
05-16-2005, 03:28 PM
If the cig lighter fuse is out, the Predator will not read diag. Scratch that.

You'd have to call Quad as to what a 6067 is.

You SURE your ignition is in the FULL ON?

You should be able to tell if there is a tune in the truck by it's performance. Dyno or track will tell you. If it dynos higher than 280, or runs better than 16.0 it's tuned.

duramaxedout
05-16-2005, 03:37 PM
Ran a 17.3 last year at Truck Fest, not bad for a mostly stock gear jammer! It'll be on the Dyno on the 22nd, so we'll see what the hp #'s are.

VFRRider
05-16-2005, 05:13 PM
Try pulling the following fuses in the fusebox under the hood - radio, INFO, TBC IGN, TBC BATT. Pull them obviously with truck off, then try to load tune. If it loads, follow procedure of turning key off and disconnecting tuner from vehicle. Then plug fuses back in and start truck. You'll have to reset your radio clock, but that's it. My 03 used to give me fits, and now I pull the fuses JIC, and have no problems.

duramaxedout
05-16-2005, 06:13 PM
We tried the fuses already, we pulled those four fuses since it didn't load after the first two attempts...damm the luck! But thanks for the info!

Diesel Tech
05-16-2005, 06:47 PM
If your truck is equipped with an aftermarket XM radio or an alarm system that has been tied into the data buss you will need to disconnect them before you can program the truck.

duramaxedout
05-16-2005, 06:53 PM
Neither are present, but would they have tied my trailer brake controller into it?

bigblackdmax
05-16-2005, 10:33 PM
I had the same problem with the quad tuner on my truck I tried everything I sent it back to quad 2 or 3 times. The code was different though. I tried everything and never got it to work so that is why I ordered the tts xtreme on a new pcm and it works fine. If you figure it out let me know so I can get my stock pcm fixed.

Bronco
05-17-2005, 12:12 AM
Yeah the Quad tuner is mine. It has been loaded into 4-5 different Duramax equiped trucks and never ever had any problems what so ever. Never pull a fuse or anything special at all.

It has me stumped as to why it is not loading into Duramaxedouts truck???????

We pulled the fuses and tried everything we could think of. I know the truck has a trailer break controller and aftermarket stereo equiptment. I believe that truck was bought used with only 12k miles so I even wonder if the previous owner did something?

The first 3 digits of the error was a CF6 or C6F. Should have wrote it down when we had the chance.

I did get a oppurtunity to take Duramaxedout for a ride in my truck with the auto transmission. So he did get a chance to witness how well behaved and strong the Quad tuner is in my truck, but we did not get to try it in his truck.

The way Michal speed shifts it would have been a blast. If anyone ever needs a lesson on how to row gears on a ZF6 talk to this guy. Holly crap thought I was in a stick car with a short throw and an Hgate.

Maybe Quad, CarterCraft or somebody real familar with the error CF6 will chime in?

Trippin
05-17-2005, 01:21 AM
I don't know if this will help, but try eliminating all the traffic on the bus.Close the door, turn off the AC, stereo, lights, etc. and pull the "info" fuse.

Hope this helps, it worked on my 03.

carterkraft
05-17-2005, 01:22 AM
I don't have a clue?? I asked when I went by the shop this afternoon and they said if you can live without the PCM for a day or two then they could check it out and/or fix it? I know they have a big harness thing with some equipment hooked up to it and a big PCM sitting there? They said they have seen 1 or 2 that have had a processor problem and it won't unlock. They said 1 guy got a new PCM when he went in for a new flash and the GM dealer couldn't do it?

I would call them and see what they can do? If you need a number let me know.

Weldon

hdmax
05-17-2005, 09:31 AM
Are you borrowing someone elses tuners? If so, the tuner will not install onto another truck if it is installed on the first truck. You must return the first truck to stock, then you can install it on the second truck.

Tried to put the Quad on my truck this weekend and it would not access the ECM to program? This is the second tuner that has failed to load on my truck:wtf:??
The first was the Predator...I chalked that one up to the Pred version since it is my understanding the older version doesn't allow use on mulitple trucks, can someone tell me in what version of the Pred that was changed? Maybe it wasn't the tuner???
Of course we went through the obvious w/ the Quad, reloaded it on my buddies truck and then restored back to stock. Put it back on mine and got the same result.
I seriously doubt the truck has a program on it already but could be possible since I bought it used. What process can be used to determine if this is the case?

Bronco
05-17-2005, 12:49 PM
Yes he is borrowing somebody elses tuner. It is my tuner. I have uninstalled and reinstalled this particular tuner on no less than 5 other trucks. No fuses, no hoops just simple sharing of my tuner.

This is the first truck I have tried to download the tuner into and it has not worked.

Maybe it is still hanging in my truck??? I will try it on another Dmax when I get a chance.

I have a feeling it is a problem with the truck we are trying to load it into. Electronic trailer break, stereo equiptment, tuner already installed, steering wheel controls?? I have no idea what the real problem is but from what I have read in this thread it is either the ECM of there is traffic on the bus?

If Duramaxedout gets a chance he is going to try and get his ecm reflashed by GM and then we will try again.

carterkraft
05-17-2005, 01:26 PM
How dare anyone call the manufacture??

ADub
05-17-2005, 02:00 PM
I was under the impression that tuners were locked to one VIN number. Even if the program is returned to stock, the manufacturer must release the VIN from the programmer before it will work on another truck. So if it was loaded on to your buddies truck, then thats the only truck it will work on unless it is released. I'm not familiar with Quadzilla, so I may not be entirely correct.

AW

carterkraft
05-17-2005, 02:08 PM
The Quadzilla tuners do not work like that. You can use them on as many trucks as you want, but 1 at a time. You must return the tuned truck back to stock before it will go into another truck.

duramaxedout
05-17-2005, 02:54 PM
Thanks for all the feedback, keep it coming. We will get this to work because some rubber needs to be put DOWN in the 4th to 5th SHIFT!!:ro) That is if my DMF doesn't fly apart first!

Thanks Bronco for the feedback on my shifting skills...I've had a bit of practice you could say! These ZF's can be tough to row!

The Tech2 has been on my truck several times for various things and most recently sp33d checked my injector rates about a month ago. Is the re-flash done via the Tech2?
If so hey sp33d when are you coming back to Colordo? Help...I don't wanna go to the stealer!

Bronco
05-17-2005, 02:57 PM
Yeah I think you need to take out your comments in your signature about your Procomps wearing fast.

We did 2 separate launches burning rubber through the gears. I think your driving skills would wear out any tire quickly! :ro)

duramaxedout
05-17-2005, 03:01 PM
Yeah I think you need to take out your comments in your signature about your Procomps wearing fast.

We did 2 separate launches burning rubber through the gears. I think your driving skills would wear out any tire quickly! :ro)

Probably doesn't help the tires go to thier 50k rating does it! I should put my factory mini-bagels back on for the fun stuff!!

hdmax
05-17-2005, 06:26 PM
I was under the impression that tuners were locked to one VIN number. Even if the program is returned to stock, the manufacturer must release the VIN from the programmer before it will work on another truck. So if it was loaded on to your buddies truck, then thats the only truck it will work on unless it is released. I'm not familiar with Quadzilla, so I may not be entirely correct.

AW

You are new here and wrong for the most part! The Predator is the only one I know of that locks to the first and only truck it is loaded on to. All others can be used on any truck as long as it is the same engine and in some cases same year. But it can not be loaded on more then one truck at a time.

Trippin
05-17-2005, 10:51 PM
You are new here and wrong for the most part! The Predator is the only one I know of that locks to the first and only truck it is loaded on to. All others can be used on any truck as long as it is the same engine and in some cases same year. But it can not be loaded on more then one truck at a time.

AW, I think what hdmax meant to say was....."Welcome to The Diesel Place".

And that the Predator is the only know tuner that locks to a VIN. :D

hdmax
05-18-2005, 09:57 AM
AW, I think what hdmax meant to say was....."Welcome to The Diesel Place".

And that the Predator is the only know tuner that locks to a VIN. :D
Yea, what he said! :D My mind types about 40 words a minute, while my finger types maybe 5 words, so I get back logged all the time.
Sorry! and welcome. :eek:

Jim659
05-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Did you try loading it in different gears, or in neutral with the emergancy brake on? Just thinking out loud, hope my head does'nt explode!:eek:

CottonWoodBlues
05-19-2005, 01:15 AM
I can't believe no one has suggested that if you want to load tunes... use an iPOD! They hold lots of 'em... Sorry boys, I just couldn't Not walk through that door. Yeah, I know it was a lame attempt at humor, but sometime I just crack me up. Good Luck with your endevor. I've been watching this one from the begining. Seems very curious indeed.

Brock in Montana...

duramaxedout
05-19-2005, 04:39 PM
Gotta love a wisenheimer! Thanks but your no help at all..ha ha.

Diesel Dragon
05-19-2005, 04:59 PM
If you have aftermarket stereo equipment check that first, maybe whoever installed it tapped into a diffrent power source or did some other funky wiring and it's still doing something it shouldn't

Just a thought

duramaxedout
05-19-2005, 05:33 PM
Pulled the fuse outta the fuselink powersupply, it is tapped at the red box...nothing funky about it.
Keep'em coming!

duramaxedout
05-26-2005, 04:52 PM
Anyone else in Colorado have a Quad to try on my truck so I can determine once and for all if it is an issue with my truck?

deanandersen1
06-01-2005, 12:44 AM
if you have on-star that will mess it up every time need to pull fuse for it you can tell its the right one if the green light on the rear view is out

duramaxedout
06-02-2005, 06:28 PM
Sorry Dean I don't have on-star, I am going to get the PCM reflashed and we'll see if it works then! Thanks for the suggestion.